Preacher Barack Obama

Talking smack:

"I take the Clinton campaign's word that they didn't know what this guy was doing and I understand all that," Obama said, "but the one thing I will say is I told my staff that if I catch you guys doing any kind of stuff like this you're fired. Period."

"And I think what we need to do -- and I told this to senator Clinton yesterday -- is that we need to send a strong message to all of our surrogates and all of our staffs, that we don't play that," he said. "I know my staff has gotten that message because it's one that I delivered several months ago and I haven't seen that come out of their mouths."


Yes, that's why Barack Obama fired those staffers of his that came up with the racial slur Punjab-D to describe Clinton; and that's why Obama's fired the staffer that sidled up to Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic, to ask "when reporters would begin to look into Bill Clinton's post presidential sex life."  That's probably Robert Gibbs, one of the sleaziest of the sleazy, that works as Obama's Communications Director.

Right.  

This drug stuff was a timid issue that the Obama campaign over reacted too, making it a bigger story than it needed to be. And now Obama is starting to sound petty and thin-skinned. What's Obama gonna do in the general election when he confronts a real propoganda takedown machine? Is he gonna lecture them while they rip him to pieces?

Update [2007-12-14 22:4:38 by Jerome Armstrong]: This whole drug thing is annoying and stupid. Shaheen was a jerk for making that statement. I wish the Obama campaign would have just ignored it. I tried to not blog at all about it, then nearly did so because of that stupid Hardball episode this am, and managed to avoid it, but then came across this ridiculous spin by Obama-- long past when it should have been dead.

That said, I do think there might be something there about this having traction among the black community moving toward Obama-- and that might be why they are milking it politically. But if so, it's a short-term gain when compared with the longterm result of Republicans having an easier time re-opening the issue-- with a much harsher attack.



Display:


Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

Democrat Taylor Marsh offers an interesting analysis of Obama's history with cocaine.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:21:35 PM EST

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

I like Taylor but that is a TERRIBLE post. I can't find much I agree with in it and alot I find borderline offensive.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:31:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

She makes a few good points.  I discuss Obama's use of the Christian conversion in the comments section.  Funny how he and the GOP always use confession as a way of shirking accountability.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:35:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

this article provides an african-american perspective on the corporate strategy of oprah and obama.

article


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:39:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Punjab Slur (none / 0)

I am Punjabi, and Punjab-D is not a slur! If you dont understand something, dont try to talk knowledgably about it.


by AC4508 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 12:48:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

Gosh Jerome. You are the best! Love it!  

Now I'm waiting for the Barry supporters to swarm the your post.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:21:40 PM EST

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

Or the Hillbots to swarm around anyone attacking Obama... Oh, looks like you are here!!!


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:29:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

Don't he a sour pus yitbos. KOS would be an excellent place for you, considering all the Barry operatives. They hate anyone and anything for HRC. Take it from me, I just got banned over there, LOL!


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:33:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You weren't banned for being a Clinton supporter, (2.00 / 1)

you were banned for personally threatening another user.


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:36:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for being a Clinton support (none / 0)

Exactly. That was some creepy shit lonette was doing over there.


by casperr on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:41:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for being a Clinton support (none / 0)

Oh come on. It was icebergslim for goodness sake. She egged me on. Ice is a paid Obama worker.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:46:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for being a Clinton support (none / 0)

THAT is total bullshit and you know it.

Threatening to out another blogger (which you did multiple times) is a bannable offense at DailyKos. End of story.


by casperr on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:05:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for being a Clinton support (none / 0)

I accept the banning casperr.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:49:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for (none / 0)

do you have a link?  i do not trust you.  after all, you are an obama operative, and i have seen what you and others have done online to supporters of clinton and obama.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:42:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The comment, of course, is no more, (none / 0)

since she was banned.  But it was an admin, hunter, who did the banning.  


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:45:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The comment, of course, is no more, (none / 0)

i do not buy it.  you do not have a link.  now you can create stories.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:50:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh (none / 0)

Hey, I was banned at daily kos, it happens. If she did threaten to out someone's personal identity, then of course she was banned. As I understand it, icebergslim is banned here. For the record, I am not a big fan of icebergslim, who wrote what I thought was a bigoted post about Latinos who raised money for Clinton.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:53:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

BTD,

I have seen how the Obama people operate there, and the force people to defend themselves, only to troll rate every single comment.  they do it all the time, and it is disgusting.  she called someone an operative, and they decided that banning was condign punishment for that offense.  

lonette33, i would not worry.  everyone understands what happened, and no one thinks less of you for it.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:56:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

That's rich coming from you.  You've used the same tactics on MyDD under your many many different signons.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No question (none / 0)

My banning/leaving (long story) came as a result of an Obama fight (I'm actually pretty friendly with him now - Geekesque). I really detest the Obama hordes at daily kos. Frankly, I think the Obama folks here are pretty darn good, most of them. Truth be told, best thing to ever happen to me. I get to focus on issues at Talk Left and then talk politics here in a less toxic pool when the mood strikes me. I've said this before - I remain good friends with Markos and am friendly with Jerome. Think well of them both. Disagree a fair amount with them of course. More fun that way.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:03:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I never heard the story of your banning (none / 0)

I wasn't following it closely, and suddenly you were banned, and I had no clue why.

Geekesque picks a lot of fights. I try not to mix it up with Obama supporters at Daily Kos. There have been too many flamewars between the Edwards and Obama supporters there.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:23:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I never heard the story of your banning (none / 0)

How do you guys find time to blog on Dailykos as well?  I posted there for a couple of months, but that place was not to my liking, so I decided on here.  I read there sometimes, and also vote when a poll interests me, but I would not have the time to do both discussion-wise.  I see some people blogging all over the place, on 4, 5 different blogs, all the time.  A lot to keep track of, to be sure.


by georgep on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 12:08:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

It wasn't a direct threat BTD. I said, "I could have outed you a long time ago, seeing as I work for the government, it's at the tip of my fingers".  It wasn't a full threat. But I knew I was gone after the comment, so I didn't care.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:07:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

Well you knew you would be banned for it. It's a strict rule.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:16:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

True! I actually found out from one of the other users. I knew at that point I was going to get banned. I just loathe icebergslim so much. Calling me a Clinton troll. Troll rating comments that didn't deserve it. Advising her cohorts to troll rate me. Going after MyDD and Jerome. I was bound to crack. She brings out the worst in me. I except the banning. Stuff happens.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:22:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

You were banned? Wow, things have really gotten bad then. I've pretty much stayed away until the last week or so but have had numerous attacks made on me. I think my low uid might keep me from getting troll rated.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:29:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

Well, I announced I was leaving and Markos and I exchanged some words and so on. We made up since then. We're still good friends. I imagione if I asked to come back, he'd let me. But truth to be told, I am not interested in participating there now. Though I do enjoy the FPers for the most part.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:32:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

Are there too many sockpuppets over there for you to deal with right now?

The Obama supporters are the new deaniacs-you can't criticize Obama, you can't discuss any failing he might have or whatever. But of course, it's okay to diss Hillary. Or Edwards sometimes.

I'm undecided and they have ticked me off with their sactimonious so much that it makes me WANT to be a Hillary supporter.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:03:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

I don't know from sock puppets. I just find it mindnumbingly boring and stupid. I imagine people thought the same thing in 2003-04.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:08:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

Yep, it's a repeat of the Dem primaries 4 years ago. And it is tiresome.

Can we have some debate please instead of the constant invective hurling?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:22:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heh (none / 0)

Icebergslim was teetering on the brink of the acceptable here for weeks as for personal insults, but she was finally banned when she called Jerome a "tool" (as in "Jerome is a tool") for putting up a diary pretty much like this one.  She returned as "iamready" and at least 2 more sockpuppets.  


by georgep on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 12:10:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The comment, of course, is no more, (none / 0)

Lonette doesn't seem to deny it.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:57:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The comment, of course, is no more, (none / 0)

I explained what happened. See comment above. Besides it was icebergslim for goodness sake. I mean come on.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:59:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Doesn't matter who it is (none / 0)

You don't threaten people.


by casperr on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:05:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's over. (none / 0)

casperr, it's over and done with. You are making much too much of it. Ice knew what she was doing.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I checked the hidden comments at DKos (2.00 / 1)

It was there. It was a threat to use other means to find information on icebergslim. Unwise and certainly a bannable offense.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:20:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I checked the hidden comments at DKos (none / 0)

But that is not a threat, unless, of course, icebergslim has something to hide.

I was there too.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:22:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you are wrong (none / 0)

I have "nothing to hide," and in fact, some people in Iowa know who I am.

But I prefer to blog as desmoinesdem rather than under my name.

If anyone ever threatened to out me, I would report it to the Daily Kos administrators immediately. That kind of threat warrants banning.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:25:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More to the story! (none / 0)

desmoniniedem, I accept the banning. However, there's more to the story. It is well known that she works for the Obama campaign. You need to read all my comments and her comments. She clearly was trying to get me going. She knew what she what she was doing.  I shouldn't have said it. I bite it and got banned. I accept it. There's a long history between myself and ice. But I understand where you are coming from.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:34:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More to the story! (none / 0)

I know how icebergslim and the user for whom icebergslim serves as a sockpuppet operate.  she has a history of engaging and then banning users she and her cadre dislike.  

i would not worry, as she is irrelevant.  and she does work for the obama campaign.  in fact, she attended camp obama.  

lonnette, did you know hillary is 44?  


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:37:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More to the story! (none / 0)

Yes hillary is 44!  Love it!


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:39:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I checked the hidden comments at DKos (none / 0)

I accept the banning. But ice egged me on. She brings out the worst in me.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:24:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I checked the hidden comments at DKos (none / 0)

icebergslim is a sockpuppet for another user there who is also a woman and an obama supporter.  i will not mention names, but i know who icebergslim is.  

i am not surprised.  that user has a history of banning people who stand up to her.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:28:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I checked the hidden comments at DKos (none / 0)

Iceberg slim is too much. Can't be reasonable with that one.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:31:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I checked the hidden comments at DKos (none / 0)

No, and one cannot reason with user for whom icebergslim is a sockpuppet.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:33:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I checked the hidden comments at DKos (none / 0)

I bit it. But she egged me on. I accept the banning.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:37:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your signature... (none / 0)

I'm sure you've been asked about it before.

Aside from that one article your signature links to -- which says nothing -- do you have a single shred of evidence that Obama did anything unethical in any interaction with Tony Rezko?

Otherwise, you should remove it.

And don't write what you think is true. Show me links to evidence. Not about how bad Rezko is, either. Something that specifically ties Obama to something worth talking about.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:57:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your signature... (none / 0)

The article to which I link augments research already conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times.  And to be frank, I think it is mighty disingenuous of you to claim the article states nothing, for it states a lot.  Indeed, how else does one explains Obama's decision to allow a the son of a Rezko associate to serve as an Intern in DC?  

Obama on the land deal with Rezko

The article discusses Obama's ties with Rezko since the 1990s.  

This article offers more details on the joint purchase of land and a house

This article discusses his ties to Rezko since the late 1980s.  It also discusses how neither Obama nor the law firm at which he worked would disclose documents to the Sun-Times.

Obama's ex-boss is a Rezko partner

here are some quotes from an editorial in April I read in the Sun-Times that are particularly damaging:

"Kudos to the Chicago aldermen who are asking some of the same questions we had in response to a Sun-Times investigation published earlier this week: Why did the city and state continue to provide loans, grants and tax credits to projects that involved Tony Rezko when the city at the same time was suing his company in Housing Court for basics such as no heat? Why didn't the city shut off the spigot as soon as his buildings ran into problems? Didn't one city department know what another department was doing?"

"The investigation by reporter Tim Novak found that Rezko's development company, Rezmar Corp., got more than $100 million in government and private loans between 1989 and 1998 to renovate 30 apartment buildings for poor people. The projects quickly ran into trouble, and Rezmar was sued repeatedly by the city. Yet the city continued making deal after deal with Rezmar, which was paid nearly $7 million in development fees on the projects."

"Another is presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, who received more than $50,000 from the same sources between 1998 and 2004. Obama already has been forced to answer questions about a real estate deal between him and Rezko, a longtime friend, contributor and fund-raiser. In addition to that connection, Novak reported this week that Obama did previously undisclosed legal work for some of Rezko's housing development projects. He insists it was only five hours of work and that he was unaware of problems at the projects, even though 11 of them were in the state Senate district he used to represent. There's nothing illegal about the work, but his efforts to dodge Novak's questions about it make it appear as if he has something to hide."

And there are stories in the sidebars of the Sun-Times's articles.

Anyone can perform a Google search, and one realizes that obama has a long history with Rezko, who received state funds while Obama was in the Senate for his various properties.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:21:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I believe the question was... (none / 0)

for you to produce "...a single shred of evidence that Obama did anything unethical in any interaction with Tony Rezko."

Though admirably lengthy, your comment did not provide any evidence.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:37:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I believe the question was... (none / 0)

I guess you did not want evidence.  It is all covered in the Sun-Times over a seven month period.  Visit the library, do some research, and you will see that Obama and Rezko have been very close friends for a very long time.  


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:41:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tiring... (none / 0)

The
question
was...

...a
single
shred
of
evidence
that
Obama
did
anything
unethical
in
any
interaction
with
Tony
Rezko?

Your
answer
is
clearly
no.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:47:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tiring... (none / 0)

my answer is yes.  i cite the intern, the donations, the property deal, the relation a boss had with rezko, the subsidies rezko received from the illinois state legislature.  the articles i cite discuss a relationship that extends over two decades.

it is all unethical, and it reveals that obama is tied to a corrupt political machine.

you choose to ignore this.

obama is corrupt.  obama is rezko.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:55:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ok (none / 0)

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/35382 9,CST-NWS-rez23.article

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/35379 7,CST-NWS-rezdavis23.http://www.mydd.com /comments/2007/12/14/211213/33/149/post# here
MyDD :: Comments Preacher Barack Obamaarticle

Ethical questions surround Obama's  shady real estate deal and relationship with indicted political fundraiser and Arab-American activist  Tony Rezko, who befriended Obama during his Harvard days.

Obama bought a $1,650,000 Georgian revival mansion at a gigantic discounted price, some $300,000 less than the asking price.  The same day, Rezko's wife bought the adjoining lot, paying the full $625,000 asking price.

The Rezko lot wasn't accessible from the public street.  However, it abuts Obama's property and  provided a private preserve that adds to its ambience.  Obama  bought the a secton of the Rezko property for $104,500 -- $520,500 less than Rezko's wife paid for it.

Did Tony Rezko and his wife subsidize the purchase of Obama's opulent home?

Mr. Obama turned to Mr. Rezko for help at several important junctures. Records show that when Mr. Obama needed cash in the waning days of his losing 2000 Congressional campaign, Mr. Rezko rounded up thousands of dollars from business contacts. In 2003, Mr. Rezko helped Mr. Obama expand his fund-raising for the Senate primary by being host of a dinner at his Mediterranean-style home for 150 people, including some whose names have since come up in the influence scandal.

At any rate, this is pretty good for a guy earning $165,200 per and who once ran his credit cards up so high that the credit card company denied him access to further use of his card.

[----------

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/us/pol itics/14rezko.html?ex=1182484800&en= 354deb68b6c69cfe&ei=5099&partner =TOPIXNEWS

And when Mr. Obama and his wife, Michelle, bought a house in 2005, Mr. Rezko stepped in again. Even though his finances were deteriorating, Mr. Rezko arranged for his wife to buy an adjacent lot, and she later sold the Obamas a 10-foot-wide strip of land that expanded their yard.

The land sale occurred after it had been reported that Mr. Rezko was under federal investigation. That awkward fact prompted Mr. Obama, who has cast himself as largely free from the normal influences of politics, to express regret over what he called his own bad judgment.

"Senator Obama is a very intelligent man, and everyone by then was very familiar with who Tony Rezko was," said Cindi Canary, executive director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, a nonpartisan research group. "So it was a little stunning that so late in the game Senator Obama would still have such close involvement with Rezko."

While it is not clear what Mr. Rezko got from the relationship, he liked to display his alliances with politicians, including Mr. Obama.

In one instance, when he was running for the Senate, Mr. Obama stopped by to shake hands while Mr. Rezko, an immigrant from Syria, was entertaining Middle Eastern bankers considering an investment in one of his projects.

[Years earlier, as a state legislator, Mr. Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting efforts by Mr. Rezko and a partner to build apartments for the elderly with $14 million in government money, The Chicago Sun-Times reported in its June 13 editions.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 12:00:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your signature... (none / 0)

isnt my job to keep you informed

id spend an hour and youd just blow it off

sorry, no.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 06:07:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you... (none / 0)

To you and truthteller for proving the emptyness of your charges.

You do know that nobody takes any of that seriously, right?


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:46:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The comment, of course, is no more, (none / 0)

One thing about getting banned at dailykos -- your comments live forever. They don't delete them. Probably not worth your time, though.


by dblhelix on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:49:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for (none / 0)

Truth, it was icebergslim. She came into the diary calling me a troll and troll rating me. Then she went after MyDD and Jerome.  I told her she was banned for sliming Jerome. She kept on egging me. She and another one of her cohorts kept troll rating me. Then a swarm of Clinton supporters started to rec the diary.  FYI: it was world dictators diary from the other day. When she saw that did work, she kept egging me on. I told her I could have outed her along time ago. She kept egging me on. She knew what she was doing. Hey I figured I was going to be banned anyway, so I didn't hold back any longer. She said, are you threatening me. Then I got banned.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:51:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You weren't banned for (none / 0)

that is a typical obama strategy at kos.  that is why many supporters of other candidates no longer write there, as obama supporters gang up on supporters of other candidates.  and there is one admin there who is aligned with elise and icebergslim.  i saw what happened, and it was ugly.  you are not the only one.  and besides, icebergslim was banned from this site, as was jeremiahthemessiah.  the obama people online have a terrible record with the blogs.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:54:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please be honest! (none / 0)

Oh please. I threatened to out an Obama paid worker. Please tell the truth. Don't lie.


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:44:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

It isn't the comment, its the offensive use of the word Barry.  I actually don't liek the word Hillbots, but since you don't seem to care just how disrespectful you are being, I'll use it when talking about you.  Show some respect.. what if I started calling Hillary, a Cow or something like that?  Same level of disrespect.  Just say Barack or Obama... using Barry liek you are some close friend of his is a spit in the face of him, his supporters and very GOP-esque.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:56:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

yitbos, I'm not going to stop calling him Barry. It's not an offense name at all.


by lonnette33 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 07:25:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

I try to avoid dKos. It's just comment overload. Also, too much orange.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 02:01:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

Thank's bowiegeek. LOL. Orange, organe and more organe. LOL! I fell right into ice's trap. She know what she was doing. She's quite clever. It's my fault utlimately and I got banned.


by lonnette33 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 07:22:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 3)

Does this explain why supporters and superdelegates for Obama are now resurrecting Monica?  And does this explain why Michelle Obama mentioned Hillary's inability to run a household while campaigning in SC?  Or is only Obama allowed to make direct and vague references to all the salacious gossip surrounding the Clintons?

He is a hypocrite.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:24:40 PM EST

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

If Michelle Obama is making those kinds of comments then she'll royally tick off women voters. I can't believe how Liebermanish they are becoming.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:34:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

"If" is an important word you just used. No evidence was given for this stuff.


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by demondeac on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:52:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

I'm always skeptical of what comes out of any supporter of a candidate's mouth until it's been proven.


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by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:10:46 AM EST
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John Dickerson had a good headline this week (2.00 / 1)

"Hillary Clinton Was Supposed to Know How to Rumble"

That was her whole argument, that she could play hardball politics, that she could go toe to toe with the toughest the right had to offer...

And instead she's been flailing all week and sinking fast.  The minute she went on the offensive, she fell apart.  Her campaign has been tripping over itself all week.


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by psericks on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:28:02 PM EST

that is the truth (none / 0)

Also, this would work better for her if her surrogates hadn't spent the whole month of November whining about other candidates "attacking" her.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:27:20 PM EST
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Ezra Klein laid it all out today (none / 0)

and made this point really well:
By the November's end, Obama was routinely leading in the polls.  The Clinton campaign, noticing this, did exactly what you're supposed to do when you're a couple points behind: They tried to knock the other guy down. And ended up on the floor themselves. Obama, it turned out, had spent so much time inveighing against political attacks, and the Clinton campaign had invested so much energy in popularizing that sentiment, that their every assault now began to backfire.

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by psericks on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:58:54 PM EST
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Re: Ezra Klein laid it all out today (none / 0)

I'll believe this when I see some polls that confirm it.


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by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:06:01 PM EST
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Plenty of those (none / 0)

here.


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by psericks on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 05:47:13 AM EST
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Re: Plenty of those (none / 0)

I'm talking about polls next week after the whole deal has settled into people's minds.


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by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:12:20 AM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 4)

Ah another day, another Obama attack by Jerome Armstrong.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:28:08 PM EST

Like Jerome feels about Obama... (none / 0)

...I felt about Warner.

He just has a bigger platform than these comments.


by MNPundit on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 01:08:23 PM EST
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Meh (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama milked the story and the Clinton campaing has to take its lumps. Shrewdly, they made Shaheen resign. Plus I love this phrase from Obama - "we don't play that" - reminds me of my youth. Of course they play that. They are all pols.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:28:15 PM EST

Re: Meh (none / 0)

What do you think of Democrat Taylor Marsh's definitive account of Obama's use and abuse of his past with cocaine and other illegal substances?


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:31:02 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

Just responded to you. Hated it frankly. And I like Taylor.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:32:03 PM EST
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Re: Meh (2.00 / 1)

I think Taylor has had some good posts on Obama, but I'm unimpressed with her cocaine stuff as well.

I do think Obama's campaign was behind the Denver Post stuff.  One of the reasons why I don't think the Clinton campaign planned Sheehan's remarks is that it was Sheehan.  I'm sure they were pushing the drug story (no pun intended), but I don't think they wanted it done that way.  

I'm waiting for the uproar over the Denver Post stuff and the calls for Obama to distance himself from it.  My guess is I'll be waiting a long time.


by BDB on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:56:28 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

I think pushing the cocaine story IN ANY WAY was pretty stupid. But leaving fingerprints was just plain idiotic.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:59:17 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

It is suspicious. But I do not buy it as coming from Obama for simple reason - it is a stupid line of attack and splatters Obama. I think, unfortunately, there is a better argument for thinking the Shaeheen thing was planned from inside. I think both arguments weak though. I do not think either was. Then again, maybe both campaigns are just that stupid. Frankil,y at this point I am beginning to think they are all incompetents.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:12:10 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

This primary campaign is remarkable only for its vapidity.  But I do believe the Denver article is planned: notice Michelle mentioned Hillary's inability to run a household in SC; notice the regional argument many Obama supporters make online about Hillary and Udall; notice that the Obama campaign utilizes the phrase "glass houses" in press releases; notice the timing.

It was planned, and Obama should apologize in person to Hillary, Bill, Chelsea and Dorothy Rodham on national television.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:15:28 PM EST
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pleeeze (none / 0)

Let me clue you in...
John Millin: chairman of the Wyoming Democratic Party

He has not offical connect to the campaign.

Save you insults for when you know what your talking about.


by JoeCoaster on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:36:30 PM EST
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Re: pleeeze (none / 0)

state chair for obama.  

planned article.  disgusting.  typical.  obama is a hypocrite.

hillary is 44.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:38:55 PM EST
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i have a link (none / 0)

how about you? liar..

Nevada Supporters - Review Journal


by JoeCoaster on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 06:56:30 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

Pretty much trumped up BS... but I expect that from Marsh.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:33:36 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

From what i'm hearing in the black community there is a movement now never to support Hillary, they feel stabbed in the back. sha had better close it out in Iowa and NH becuase once this campaign goes nation wide Obama's going to win atleast 80% of the 25% of black dem primary votes.  No one on black radio buys her story, no one.


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by nevadadem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:31:34 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

Well, seriously doubt what you are hearing personally. But who knows?
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:32:42 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

I am hearing it and so is Ben Smith.

got two interesting emails two minutes with some racial charge currently running through the campaign: Shaheen's suggestion Obama was a drug dealer and Obama's absolution of Biden.

Kelsey Morgan, a sales rep in Philadelphia, e-mails:

As someone who basically works from their car, I listen to a lot (OK, way too much) black radio. I can tell you the palpable sense of betrayal and the absolute feeling that African-Americans have been stabbed in the back by someone they thought was their friend has been overwhelming over the airwaves the past 36 hours. Over and over again, I've heard caller after caller they say they'll never vote for Hillary even if she's the nominee.


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by nevadadem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:36:06 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

The Ben Smith articles is based on one email.  That is not an index of an entire community's sentiment.  Get real.  


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:38:27 PM EST
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Re: Meh (2.00 / 1)

No offense to Kelsey Morgan, but that is ridiculous. If Rangel and Lewis and people like that juped ship maybe you would have something, but Kelsey Morgan does not inspire me to believe the story. Frankly, I think it is inordinately silly.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:39:29 PM EST
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Obama's Followers (2.00 / 1)

I suspect this is something being pushed by Obama's supporters inside and outside the black community.  Both Clintons have excellent civil rights records and black voters know that.  They may go for Obama, but I don't think a negative campaign against Clinton or inferring she is somehow racist will work.  It may, in fact, backfire.


by BDB on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:59:33 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

Don't buy it BTD! Although, Barry chose the Tom Joyner show to make the comments Jerome is alluding to. Conincidence?  I don't think so. I heard he laid it on pretty thick. Keep in mind,
Black people adore the Clintons. They command a more than 90% approval rating.  Black people are much smarter than how neveda is portraying us to be.
by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:41:52 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

yes, the politico publishes an article based on one email.  What a joke.  And of course people who know nothing about the African-American community will repeat this bilge endlessly.  


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:34:39 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

well go listen to some black radio stations, i've been hearing it's not pretty as well.


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by nevadadem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:37:06 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

I have.  And I have heard nothing.  Again, you are repeating the claims in the ONE email Ben Smith allegedly received from an alleged African-American.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:39:15 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

IT WOULD have been humerous if Obama hit Hillary over the head with a Sock at the last debate.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:32:46 PM EST
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Re: Meh (none / 0)

Is that about the NH blog thing? Well, if you think anyone knew about it. Sounded like a pretty nothing thing. Shaheen's statements were really bad. Clinton needed to end it. I think Obama has worked it but it is just about over no?
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:35:55 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

the more of this we get the more we know who is winning and who is not.


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by nevadadem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:28:30 PM EST

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 0)

I find it more humerous Jerome never seems to write anything bad about the other candidates, but always finds time to slam Barack.  It's like the man ran over his dog or something.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:34:56 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (1.00 / 1)

Maybe we should.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:08:34 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

i do have a sense that he's overreaching in trying to get political points off of this.

i like both Barack and Hillary, so no real dog in this fight. but my first reaction is, damn, they're going to rip each other to shreds. Reaction #2, though, is that (particularly for Barack) better to get this out now than in the GE.

i still think they'd make a great ticket.

kumbaaaya....


by CalDem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:28:48 PM EST

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

But Obama is not striking back with dirt.  Its perfectly appropriate to scold Clinton for her tactics.  She should pay a price.  But, as David Gregory said tonight, this is Clinton throwing mud and Obama laughing at her.

The real danger for Clinton is that by using something that Obama himself wrote about that happened thirty-something years ago, Clinton is declaring a candidate's whole history relevant for exposition.  I think its fair to assume there are media organizations sitting on Clinton stories, but never had reason to use them.  We all know the NYTimes has a story about Bill, but that can't be all.  Clinton has given them an excuse to run them.


by Javier Doval on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:47:01 PM EST
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no, they can't be on the same ticket (none / 0)

If one of them gets the nomination they will pick someone very safe, like a governor or Wes Clark.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:48:21 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 2)

The latter part of the post-- "if he can't handle this type of attack"-- is something I keep seeing repeated (on this and other sites). I just don't get it, though.

Obama seems to be handling it just fine. He took a charge/attack and effectively turned it, forcing the campaign making the charge to publicly apologize and fire the person who made the attack. Earlier, with the silly kidergarten item, the Obama campaign also effectively turned that, making it a point of ridicule for the Clinton campaign.

He seems to be handling these thinge very well. What am I missing?


by Democratic Victory on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:30:03 PM EST

Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

The Republicans will attack him relentlessly for this, especially as only drug counselors and not teachers are allowed to discuss drug use with children.  

2000: the President with whom you would drink a beer

2008: the President with whom you would snort a line

Our society is quickly becoming a sesspool.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:33:24 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

I understand that they will raise it, because, you know, they're Republicans and its what they do. But, raised now, Obama has successfully played it to his advantage. Isn't that a piece of evidence that he CAN handle it, rather than as a sign that he can't handle it?


by Democratic Victory on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:36:51 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

Look at his tag line... He won't let a little thing like logic or the truth mess up his argument.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:42:45 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

They will use it, and it will work.  Democrats may feel sympathy for the coke user, but Republicans, especially sanctimonious values voters, will punish him.  Believe me, they will cite it.

Coke user who does not support handguns.

Say goodbye to NM, CO, MT, AZ, NV, PA, OH, IA, MO


by truthteller2007 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:47:56 PM EST
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Yep, I'm sure they'll all secede from the Union (2.00 / 1)

Goodbye, New Mexico, I hardly knew thee


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by psericks on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:57:05 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

The logic of an Obama supporter:

new] Re: Is 2008 1976 All Over Again? (0.85 / 7)
HILLARY HAS NO FUCKING EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE OF 7 YEARS AS A SENATOR!  HER SOLE QUALIFICATION ON EXPERIENCE IS THAT SHE HAPPENED TO BE MARRIED TO A GUY WHO BECAME THE PRESIDENT!!  THIS BULLSHIT FANTASY THAT SHE WAS THE CONSIGLIERE OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION IS RIDICULOUS!!!  SHE FAILED MISERABLY IN TRYING TO PASS HER MAJOR INITIATIVE, WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS NO LESS!!!!  SHE DIDN'T SERVE AS A CABINET MEMBER NOR ACT IN THAT ROLE!!!!!  SHE WAS EMBROILED IN SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL ALONG WITH BILL!!!!!! SHE IS NO MORE EXPERIENCED THAN EDWARDS OR OBAMA, EXCEPT SHE IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE THREE TO FUCK A PRESIDENT (OR AT LEAST WE ASSUME)!!!!!!!

And you left out one of our most inexperienced Presidents who followed an incompetent President.  His name was Abraham Lincoln.  

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Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 01:28:13 AM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

He can handle it within the context of a Democratic primary where the primary reaction seems to be against the Clinton campaign.  That's working because the Clinton campaign has let it work.  They apologized.  They fired Shaheen.

Do you think that's what Romney would do?  Hell, no.  He'd be pushing to know exactly how much coke Obama did and when exactly did he stop doing it.  And I saw a reporter asked Axelrod if Obama ever "shared" any cocaine.  Axelrod didn't know, which is not comforting (actually Axelrod's vagueness generally to specific questions was not comforting).  Sharing cocaine can be "distribution" under the drug laws.  It's stupid, but true.  

I hope to God that there's not more to this story than what's in his book.  Politicians usually get this stuff out there to innoculate themselves.  Since there's a very real possibility he's going to be the nominee, I hope he did a good enough job.  And he didn't put the bare minimum out hoping nobody would follow up.  That's what Bill Clinton did on the draft and it nearly killed him, but at least it was in the primary.  Not that it wasn't used in the general, but it was old news by then and I think that helped.


by BDB on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:09:12 PM EST
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Re: Preacher Barack Obama (none / 0)

74 percent of americans in a nyt poll this week said a person who has done coke can not be elected to the wh.

what about this?

no one is mentioning this.


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