Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Rapist. Why?

A certain frequent poster here, not a diarist, he's never written one as far as I can tell, has twice written comments in the last day that said that President Bill Clinton is a rapist.

The first time he did this, I wrote to him enraged and he came back and made the same charge again. Later, I started to wonder how it was that at a Democratic blog, a supporter of another candidate was publicly making such a vicious, hate filled accusation.

God damn it.

I knew, just knew, from day one of Obama's campaign when that slime Robert Gibbs, threw out the disproved right wing media smear that "the Clintons had sold out the Lincoln bedroom", that it was team Obamas plan to use the right wing playbook to take down Senator Clinton. And also, that this would eventually, inevitably lead to exactly this kind of charge being used in our own Democratic Primaries.

{Anyone reading the comments around the net - at various sites - can see that Obama supporters are doing exactly this, repeating this and every other loony charge ever made about Hillary or Bill by News Max, Bob Barr, the Freepers or Judicial Watch etc.  Rush's attacks are too mild for these Obama fans with their "new style of campaigning.}

Obviously, I am not saying that the Obama campaign is encouraging its supporters to post comments around the Net saying that President Clinton is a rapist. Of course not. But, let me show you how this works and how we end up at that point.

Let's look at how team Obama works with the political media and uses the Republican - MSM narrative about the Clintons to try to win the nomination.

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Obama himself has called Hillary a "dissembler". {aka she is a liar}

Michelle Obama has repeatedly said "if you cant take care of YOUR house, you cant take care of the White House."   She repeats this line even after the media flap over whether she had meant it as a reference to the Clintons personal lives.   At the time of this controversy, she denied this, but of course, by continuing to still use this line, saying it over and over again, shows that is Exactly what she means by it.  

Obama keeps saying we cant "relive the fights of the nineties" - more Obama code for - Clinton got blowjobs.  

The Obama campaign has said how many times that the Clintons represent the kind of politician that have sold your interests to corporations. While at the same time, they take the same amount of money, from the very same type of people and corporations.  But the Obama campaign then far from subtly implies, that the difference is that the Clintons are unethical, while they are not.

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Is it any surprise that among the more unbalanced Obama supporters like the poster ***** , that his charges that President Clinton is a rapist - now easily follow his charge that "Hillary Inc." is a corrupted corporate sellout?

It is a sad thing to watch so many people buy into right wing attackss that we Democrats fought so hard against. That these slanders are now presented by a Dem candidate is a damned disgrace. That these tactics and a Candidate are pushed by a devious and ruthless pair of Chicago consultants such as Axlrod and Gibbs is no shock. {note:  see how Obama and Axelrod worked with and leaked to the chicago media dirty divorce and police records about their 2004 Senate primary opponent Hull.  They destroyed him and then lied and denied any role in this act whatsoever. Since that time, both the Chicago Tribune and Daily News have admitted it was the Obama camp that sent them these documents}.

The irony that the Obama team that did this now runs under the cloak of "a new kind of campaigning" and charges Hillary herself of making vile attack after attack is rich indeed.

For six weeks now, since the NBC Russert-Williams debate in Philly, the political media have been in full bore - we WILL get the Clintons mode.   Many Obama supporters think this is in response to a "great campaign " being run out of Chicago.  No, sorry folks, take it from one who has fought with these media clowns before - that is not what is going on here. they are not FOR Obama, they are AGAINST the Clintons. Big difference.

You see, the default position for the political media is ALWAYS attack the strongest Dem and coddle even the weakest Republican.  Always.  2004, 2000...  Clinton, Gore, Mondale, Carter...  Reagan - Bush.  Hello?

Its a corporate media people and they know what their job is.  

Any "Democrat" who thinks that having Chris Matthews behind your candidate is a good thing for our Party doesnt have a clue about what is really going on here.

Remember this political media is the same crowd that supported an impeachment, basically a domestic coup, over the President doing what they themselves and half of male Washington does all the time - have an affair with a willing partner.   But, today they laugh at the concept that Bush Jr has done enough wrong to warrant similar treatment.  Their idea of "high crimes and misdemeanors" includes getting caught lying about a blowjob but not about getting caught lying about WMDs and who blew up the twin towers.  They think THAT is a very funny joke.

This is the same political media that ran a two year "war against Gore" and lied - over and over again - to the American people - with GOP sprouted charges that - Al Gore was a liar.    How ironic huh?

This is the same political media that didnt say a word when the "yuppie riot" put on by Trent Lott staffers stopped the counting of ballots in Dade County and allowed the Bush forces to deny tens of thousands of people their vote...in an election that was decided by a few hundred.  

This is the same political media crowd who allowed the Supreme Court Five to STEAL that Presidential election and then told the American people....see, Democracy works.

This is the same political media, that when Bush took office, pushed the GOP line that those dirty Clintons, those dirty Democrats, had emptied out and stolen everything from Air Force One and cleaned out and stolen hundreds of pieces of furniture and art from the White House itself.  Oh and taken the "W" keys off of hundreds of computer keyboards over in the OEOB.  Months later, when the GAO itself said that these stories were completely false, this political media buried that story on page A23....down in the corner where you wouldnt notice it.  This is also where they buried the story about the "consortium's" review of the Florida recount that showed that Gore won that state under every possible recount plan...both by district, county and entire state.  But your political media took their interpretation of that story from the spinners in the WH and buried the actual report also on page 23...down in the corner where you wouldnt notice it.

2004.  Kerrey is swiftboated and Dan Rather has to resign because George Bush went AWOL from the Texas National Guard .  What role did your national political media in those stories?  Nuff said.

This is the same political media that now lauds Obama while they continually bash on Hillary.

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This has been Gibbs and Axelrod and Obama plan from the get go.  Win the nomination by "enabling" the media to destroy Hillary.

But there is a flaw in this horrid, cynical plan of the high ups in team Obama.  Democrats MUST understand that the media hasnt decided to place Obama in the White House, instead, they are working to keep the Clintons out of it.

As soon as the GOP settles on McCain or Rudy or Thompson or Romney, they will switch the narrative completely around and talk about how important experience, gravitas and being a real red blooded "traditional" male is to being the POTUS.

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Any Obama supporter just "shocked" at the kindergarten flap wont know what hit them if Obama becomes our nominee.   Wait till the GOP spins a narrative about how Obama's ADMITTED {that is key} cocaine and "hard drug abuse" interconnects to his support to give early release from prison of "tens of thousands" of dangerous crack addicts and dealers onto YOUR streets.  At the same time he also wants to BAN YOU AND YOUR FAMILY from legally OWNING a hand gun to protect itself from these same violent felons and monsters that Obama himself will be setting free.

Forget the drug dealer bit from the last 2 days, the GOP attack would be much more sophisticated and would be meant to both anger and TERRIFY voters.

Just because the Clinton campaign has been guilted into making Sheehen walk the plank for even mentioning this problem at the corners, dont think the GOP wont push exactly this sort of script. This "narrative" and others just as harsh and worse will come directly from RNC headquarters and the political
MEDIA WILL BUY INTO AND REPEAT EVERY WORD AND CHARGE.

Think the GOP and your political media can be shamed like a Democrat can be?  
The 2004 election. JK. Hello?!   A frigging silver star, a DSC, 3 purple hearts.  Swiftboating.  OK?  Nuff said.

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The Obama campaign is now running against Hillary hand in hand with the political media and pushing and encouraging their slanders and narratives about the Clintons and in effect, ALL Democrats as they do this.

Again is it any wonder that the foolish nadrite poster says that President Clinton is a Rapist?   Its the natural result of a campaign that started out by saying that WE DEMOCRATS had sold out the White House itself.

Its beyond pathetic. Beyond horrible.  

The most bizarre part of this, the most tragic, is that even after it became understood how the media and the GOP colluded in 2000, after all that happened in the election of 2004, after the birth of the political net and the "reality based community", some people still cant see what will naturally follow if Obama would be chosen as the nominee.  

Your political media are two faced lying jackals. Unlike the oft repeated false charges about Hillary, these people really are - bought and paid for.

As my friend the Daily Howler recently wrote,

"in the 2000 primaries, the political media went after a Democrat {Gore} and tried to destroy his campaign and take him out as a candidate and they almost succeeded, this time it is possible they may actually get away with it".

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Lets mix metaphors.  Maybe that will get the sightless to see.

Though Obama has sprouted wings and risen and now soars with the political media's help and and blessings, he would be as doomed as an Icarus to fall as soon as a McCain or a Romney arises Phoenix like from the ashes of their troubled campaigns to take their proper place as manly men and and media anointed heroes.

One more. What can it hurt?

Today, Obama may be rising because of the media's sharp sabre, but if chosen, he would surely be later slain by the same corporate owned media's sword that now keeps his campaign alive and kicking. Live by it - Die by it.

And until it is sure that Omama will not be our Party's nominee, that same dangerous scimitar once named by Horace after a chap named Damocles, hangs over all Democrats heads, with the words "seven to two - unbeatable and unstoppable GOP Supreme Court Majority" deeply and vividly etched into its very, very sharp blade.



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Bill Clinton is a Rapist? (none / 0)

Really!? I had no idea!!


by JoeCoaster on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 02:40:31 PM EST

perfect example (none / 0)

this twit thinks thats funny


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:06:40 PM EST
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you made the headline .. (none / 0)

...not me.

Anyone who puts Bill Clinton and Rapist in the same sentence is an idiot.  


by JoeCoaster on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:21:03 PM EST
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Re: you made the headline .. (none / 0)

oops...that make two of us..


by JoeCoaster on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:22:03 PM EST
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well then (none / 0)

my humblest apologies fine sir.

on this topic, I am quick to offense.

forgive me please, if you will.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:44:46 PM EST
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Re: perfect example (none / 0)

lol


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:41:20 AM EST
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Bill Clinton is a Rapist. Why? (none / 0)

Holden, Dem Dem, whatever your name is,

There is a difference between a diarist on MyDD and the Clinton Campaign Co-Chair saying something.

Why'd you change your name again?


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 02:43:02 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton is a Rapist. Why? (none / 0)

how about all the Obama supporters who say thesse things at all the sites?

And what they say are republican LIES

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What Sheehan said was right out of Obamas own book.

See the minor difference?

no.

Of course you wont!

You too are a media "enabler"


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:04:30 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton is a Rapist. Why? (none / 0)

And despite being banned from here multiple times you continue to come crawling back, trying to pretend to be someone else.  And like last time, you don't acknowledge it.

I'd rather be a media enabler than a sad, sad soul who can't maintain the same user name for more than a couple months at a time.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 04:23:59 PM EST
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I am Legion (none / 0)

becauseWe are Many

Mark 5:8


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 04:42:21 PM EST
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you would (none / 0)

"rather be a media enabler than a sad, sad soul who can't maintain the same user name for more than a couple months at a time."?

Well, thats a pretty weird view of your priorities, huh?

The political media are our ENEMIES, Im just your foe.

Wise up.

Why dont you actually read the diary and actually learn something?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:17:10 PM EST
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Re: you would (none / 0)

Because practically nothing you steal from other people's writing is worth reading.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:39:57 PM EST
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why are you such a bitter soul? (none / 0)

not noticed its christmas time out there?

ever word was mine, off the tip and top of my head.

but I shall take your charge as a compliment.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:34:21 PM EST
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Re: why are you such a bitter soul? (none / 0)

Why should I care whether you're celebrating a commercial holiday?


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:48:01 PM EST
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Seymour Glass sees things clearly (none / 0)

Wow have you summed it all up correctly. So many of these people don't understand what a nasty business politics is. As though there's anyone who could be a "unifying" candidate and make the whole Republican attack machine go away.


by LakersFan on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:03:18 PM EST

so naive (none / 0)

its ludicrous


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:05:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Ra (1.00 / 2)

But...isn't he.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:09:08 PM EST

hey, youre the only hater - I dont hate (none / 0)

but General come on...

This shitpile is not a place to play in.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:51:36 PM EST
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Re: hey, youre the only hater - I dont hate (none / 0)

I'M JUST CAUSING TROUBLE.

AS BILL CLINTON ISN'T RUNNING...WHO CARES.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:55:35 PM EST
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Re: hey, youre the only hater - I dont hate (2.00 / 1)

In that case, you certainly won't mind that I hid your completely irrelevant comment.


by LakersFan on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 04:02:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Ra (1.00 / 2)

Tough shit, Holden.  The Clinton party is over, asshole, and you're gonna need a new hobby.  


by PositiveLiberty on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:16:09 PM EST

5.5 million unionists cant be wrong! (2.00 / 1)

now that my union ,
SEIU local 1199

ENDORSED HILLARY TODAY

Electing Hillary IS my Job!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:48:06 PM EST
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today! (none / 0)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1 207/New_York_SEIU_locals_to_endorse_Clin ton.html

From Ben Smith at Poltico:

Hillary Clinton will pick up the backing of two giant regional SEIU locals based in New York, the health-care workers' union 1199 and a big building-service workers union, Local 32BJ, a labor source says.

Their backing wasn't automatic for the home-state Senator  -- Edwards courted both locals aggressively, and Obama nearly hired away a key political decision-maker within the union earlier this year -- but the endorsements aren't a surprise. The locals were key in preventing the national SEIU from endorsing Edwards.{note: YOU BET!}

In any case, they're big players who spend a lot of money and energy on politics. Local 1199 has 300,000 members in New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, and Washington D.C., and 32BJ has more than 100,000 members in six states and Washington D.C.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:00:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Ra (none / 0)

I really don't want to say this is a good diary, but actually, it sorta is.

Take a cue from your own candidate.  Play it cool.  Don't try to escalate just to show what an awesome Jr. Political Operative you can be.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:39:22 PM EST

alright I left out (none / 0)

something mean that i waass gonna ad - becauss of your compliment and advise -

and then i saw that you didnt even rec this though ou said it was good -

what!?  wheres the point of being "nice" if theres no reward?

put me on the big board - or be responsible for my coming killer obama insult!!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:00:13 PM EST
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Re: alright I left out (none / 0)

I can't rec stuff from my phone... that right hand column doesn't show up.  By the way, can't Hillary find SOMEONE to go on TV other than Mark Penn??


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:12:20 PM EST
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ooh boy did he suck (none / 0)

my man paul begala should be the one they send out there.

he and/or carville, who really is the best ever.

they really should be out there instead of penn.

expect them after feb 5.

Ann Lewis of course is great too, but penn should be locked in a room with only his data and a laptop till november.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:56:42 PM EST
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Re: ooh boy did he suck (none / 0)

did you hear paul begala say if obama gets nominated, he can win the general?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:27:08 AM EST
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you clean up real nice (none / 0)

This is pretty much the same post you had the other day- without steroids (if the 74 year old George Mitchell was five years younger, he would be a strong VP candidate).  

An old pro like you should (and probably do) admire the generational attempt to take over the leadership of the Democratic Party and probably the country.  You've got an extremely talented phenom ("I'm LeBron, baby!") trying to take down a flawed, beat-up war horse with massive institutional advantages (which still could carry the day).  You guys did a great job- pat on the back, woo hoo- but the now trite "it's time to turn the page" really sums it up.  We are ready for our time in the arena.  It's not personal, it's about the passage of time.  She'll make a fine Senate Majority Leader or Supreme Court Justice.

By my calculatin', Seymour Glass is 90 years old.  Give us whippersnappers a few pointers and we'll get you a good spot, a warm blanket and an old dog to kick on 1/20/09 at the west face of the Capitol on that awesomely historic day.  


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 04:42:18 PM EST

Obama is older than even me (none / 0)

I dont think you actually got the point of my piece.

Its the Refs giving him the calls.

it isnt his skills that is making him look so good, its the crooked behavior of dirty officials.

And he is enabling and encouraging their corruption - as long as it is in his advantage to do so.

But unknown to him or his ego, the refs do this because they will then bet big on their faves in the finals - the home team, as they always do -and they want  a weak opponent -Obama - that the GOP will be able to pummel.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:10:14 PM EST

the story is irresistable- and it's true (none / 0)

Corruption?  You're cynical and paranoid- a good match to your old girl!

We'll take the good press as long as we can get it (God bless The New York Times, including Krugman).  They're gonna spin Iowa for Obama (unless he comes in third)- so get ready.  They like this guy, he does have skills and they want history to happen on their watch.

Sorry, media management is part of the campaign strategy/tactics and your paranoid candidate and that stiff Penn did almost nothing about it (except for the clever co-opting of Murdoch and Drudge- I give you credit there).  And they pissed on the netroots from day one as insignificant.

I never understood why Bill didn't work the press more effectively (he decided it was useless?).  He was so damn good with them when he did engage and I would have thought that he understood that their job was to rough him up.  Back then, he could charm the pants off of anyone (literally).  His press management was a slight net failure and HRC- forget it- she hates the press with a near Nixonian passion (why? because she cannot control them).

The press is rooting for Obama and most of them will hang until November (with exceptions like the always prickly Dowd- she's a handful of red quilled porcupine needles! and I'm starting to worry about CNN- what the hell is their problem?- not that it matters- time for Ted Turner to speak out).

I am interested in your non-partisan opinion. Maybe you're right and the press cannot be managed, but how can you begrudge us using it while it lasts?


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:10:44 PM EST
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Ive bn arouund these people a long time (none / 0)

and  have no respect for ANY Of them, except:

Paul Krugman -    All the time
Jonathon Alter -  Most of the time
David Corn -      Most of the time
Keith Olberman -  Most of the time

The rest are jackals and are not our friends in any way.

I truly suggest you start reading the dailyhowler archives and get the background on the last decade or so.

Ted Turner was a great newsman, really, but Time/warner/cnn murdered him and CNN is now almost as bad as onewould worry it would become.  Cliton news network? - that is insane.  Literally.

But its GE's NBC, that is our true enemy.

Its not Murdoch, this just isnt as simple as it seems.  And that mythos about drudge being for Hillary....hmmm....he was being sarcastic.  Please.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:52:54 PM EST
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Re: Ive bn arouund these people a long time (none / 0)

Your list is good, although David Corn did a really, really bad thing recently when he tried to put the word "uppity" in the mouth of Clinton staffers.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 02:09:22 AM EST
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Re: Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Ra (none / 0)

What a sad diary.

You want to talk about Obama or his campaign, fine. But picking on a couple of random internet posters for their deranged comments is pretty low even for you--actually, especially from you.


by Korha on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:20:07 PM EST

using it as a point to show how this works (none / 0)

you twit

Im talking about your boy jello you know.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:55:49 PM EST
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Re: using it as a point to show how this works (none / 0)

You seem to be implying that I know this person. I do not.

Believe, I get the point you're trying to make. It's sad.


by Korha on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:17:12 PM EST
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If you actually "Got it" (none / 0)

You'd be supporting ANY of the other five choices.

ANY of them.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:58:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Ra (none / 0)

The idea that there is some kind of anti-Hillary media conspiracy is just ludicrous. She's the Establishment candidate, has all of the big money, all of the big endorsements, her husband was the most politically centrist Democratic President in many decades (since Wilson?). If there really were a puppet-master behind the scenes pulling all of the strings, do you really think that they'd see her as any kind of a threat?


by dmc2 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:21:24 PM EST

Re: Obama Supporter Says That Bill Clinton is a Ra (none / 0)

you are not worth talking with, you dont have a clue.

go to media matters, read the daily howler and conason/lyons 'the hunting of the president" and come back when you arent so uniformed.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 05:54:08 PM EST
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May I post on KOS? (none / 0)

Seymour, I would like to post this one KOS. Do I have your permission?


by lonnette33 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:42:14 PM EST

sure, always (none / 0)

theyre gonna whack you though!

I made some changes - in the last lines.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:59:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your attempt to connect (none / 0)

the Obama campaign with what an anonymous poster is writing here is beneath contempt. And the comments should themselves should have been trolled into oblivion.
by fladem on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:50:51 PM EST

what part of this confusd you? (none / 0)

Obviously, I am not saying that the Obama campaign is encouraging its supporters to post comments around the Net saying that President Clinton is a rapist. Of course not. But, let me show you how this works and how we end up at that point.

Let's look at how team Obama works with the political media and uses the Republican - MSM narrative about the Clintons to try to win the nomination.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:02:21 PM EST

Re: what part of this confusd you? (none / 0)

i only bring it up to counter your "look how the gop is going to attack obama!!!" lists that you do. you seem to forget hillary is just as vulnerable to these kinds of attacks from the right.

really, is fearmongering the only way you can win support for hillary?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:23:06 AM EST
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