Drugs & Polls... voting starts in 3 weeks

It goes without saying that the Republicans would dredge up Obama's past drug use, but I don't think this is all that damaging to Obama in a general election-- not nearly as much as potentially damaging as his previous campaign positions being on the record holding 'ultra-liberal' positions on abortion and guns. The difference is that Obama already admitted his mistake on the drugs, while he played "blame the campaign manager" for his previous stance on not-button issues. On the one hand, his credibility becomes admired (even if the actions are not) because he was open about it; on the otherhand he evasively tries to hide his past. Ultimately, these attacks are issues of credibility. When Obama deals with it head on he's much stronger than when he tries to blame someone else.

Anyway, this might be what's up:

Advisers to Bill Clinton, who has been campaigning for his wife this week in Iowa, were expressing concern over the performance of the campaign team, in particular a failure to respond aggressively to attacks by Obama. Hillary Clinton's team is now planning to concentrate on Obama over the next week.
There's basically about 10 days to go before the holidays start, and since it would be even more risky to go on the attack during the x-mas to New Years period, we'll likely then go into a lull.

Obama just pulled ahead with a poll in New Hampshire, and that coupled with this wide open attack by Clinton campaign officials, suggests that they believe it's got enough of a stick to it that after it's run its news cycle, the negative residue would be a net negative for Obama; but it's just as plausible, given the coupling of the attack with the sinking poll numbers, that Clinton getting hammered stagnates her numbers, or even causes them to dip further.

As it stands now, Obama's got enough of a bump, from the Oprah tour or Clinton falling, that there are now polls out there showing him leading in South Carolina and New Hampshire, and plenty showing him with a lead in Iowa over the past couple of weeks. Nationally, except on Rasmussen, Obama is still way behind, but not in the early states. This suggests something about how the race is going to proceed 3 to 8 weeks from now.

The early contests looks good for Obama. Sure, there's a slim chance that Edwards could be the benefactor of Clinton & Obama duking it out, but it hasn't turned out that way to date. Obama could take 3 out of the first 4 DNC-sanctioned states, or even a sweep. I don't think though that would clinch it for him, he'd need to win MI (impossible) and FL (not likely) to not leave an opening for Clinton to re-emerge.

Argue all you want that those contests don't have delegates, the Clinton campaign will have a legitimate argument that they've got those delegates. So it goes onto Feb 5th. And I've noticed too, that the media outlets are already starting to frame the race beyond Iowa & New Hampshire. On Fox News, there was a counter "57 days till National Tuesday" this week.

I have an axiom about Presidential politics: don't look to the last contest for determining your strategy. That applies to 2008 in relation to 2004. Edwards has stated plainly that he expects '08 to unfurl like '04, and Obama has been rightly concentrating on building up formidable organizations in the early states. But after the early states, that advantage is less.

No one, the media especially, is going to want this to be over quickly. In 2004, it was a contest of who was going to beat Bush, and the quicker we got to Bush being the focus the better, was the opinion of most voters. It could have just as easily been Dean or Edwards as it was Kerry. That dynamic isn't at play this time, especially given that the Republican contest is so tangled. It's going to be a long hard-fought contest.



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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

What makes you say his advantage is less after the early States? And less than who, Edwards or Clinton or both?  Do you realize the depth of the organization he has in the Super Tuesday states?


by Piuma on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:11:37 PM EST

Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

Less than the one he's had the time to build in the early states.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:31:15 PM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

you aren't putting much value on momentum are you?


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:32:08 PM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

For NH coming out of IA, yes, alot. Much less coming out of NH, as MI is inbetween, and NV is 11 days away, and also less out of SC, because of FL.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:03:13 AM EST
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Re: Drugs & Polls... (none / 0)

Advisers to Bill Clinton, who has been campaigning for his wife this week in Iowa, were expressing concern over the performance of the campaign team...

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Bill Clinton still has political advisors?

Interesting....


by Bush Bites on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:13:53 PM EST

Re: Drugs & Polls... (none / 0)

lol

ruh roh, the strings are showing.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:00:19 PM EST
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Hillary should stop focusing on Obama (none / 0)

And just focus on herself --tell people what her plans are, connect with people, defend misconceptions, and why she is the best candidate, why Dem policies are better than the Republicans, etc.

Obama, Edwards are already defined. Stop focusing on them. --You can talk about experience but nothing else about them.


by jasmine on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:20:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary should stop focusing on Obama (none / 0)

I think this is what she will do, for the most part, especially between Christmas and New Years.  I expect her allies to raise issues about Obama and Clinton to focus on her plans.  To the extent she takes him on personally, I expect it will be on issues, like universal healthcare.


by BDB on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:22:37 PM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

I'm a Clinton supporter, but even if she were somehow to pull out Iowa and New Hampshire, I still hope it goes to February 5th.  I reject the idea that Iowa should decide the nominee, even if it turns out to agree with me.  It's still no way to choose a candidate.


by BDB on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:21:18 PM EST

Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (2.00 / 1)

I have to agree. I also have problems with the inherent pandering that has to go on with the powerful corn lobby. It's not their fault perhaps, but all of this excess tax-subsidized corn is being turned into high fructose corn syrup which as been linked to diabetes.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:54:17 PM EST
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Cool (none / 0)

Jerome,

That is pretty insightful. You brought some points I have not thought about. Those who underestimate Bill Clinton, do so at their own peril. I am really looking forward to seeing more of Bill.


by moi moi on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:23:00 PM EST

interesting (none / 0)

bill said at a speech, that every election cycle, he's like a horse.  democrats have him come out a bunch of places campaigning, and it's like they are seeing if he can still make it around the track.  well received joke, funny.  

the interesting thing is that when he hit philidalphea, i heard they weren't able to fill the area they had set up.  hundreds of people were there, but that was less than obama's 2000 person rally.  so you have to wonder, how true might that joke really be?  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:36:55 PM EST
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1984 Except... (none / 0)

I really think this campaign is like 1984 with Hillary as Mondale & Obama as Hart.  The difference is that Obama has the Jackson voters too, most of them, and he has real money & a real national campaign.  Hart was the most underfinanced campaign in history.  Also, for history junkies out there, Hart's affair with Donna Rice was in 1987 NOT 1984.  Hart's personal life was not an issue in 1984 but emerged in 1987 when he was the early frontrunner.  

Jerome is looking beyond the blogcycle.  I do think you have identified Obama's challanges.  Timing is everything in these compressed primary cycles and Obama's timing is good but we will just have to see what happens with the full force of the Hillary counterattack and...we ain't seen nothin' yet.  The Shaheen slur is just the mild beginning.  


by howardpark on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:30:06 PM EST

Re: 1984 Except... (none / 0)

The comparison with '84 is a good one. I think I happened upon that you were selling a copy of "Hart and Soul" on Amazon books the other day?


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:33:33 PM EST
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Re: 1984 Except... (none / 0)

Hart & Soul is something of a valuable book as it had a limited press run but it would be an honor to lend you a copy.  I have three!  Also, underrated books include Hart's own "Right From the Start" about the 1972 primary campaign for McGovern (Hart was McGov's campaign manager) and the little known "Stormy Weather: The NH Primary..." by Dante Scala.  I recenly reread HS Thompson's Fear & Loathing & it is a great classic.  Sometime I'd love to diary about being his driver for a day as he drank a lot and never offered me any drugs!


by howardpark on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:50:04 PM EST
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The real question is ... (none / 0)

...will it be damaging to the Clinton campaign. Their tactic of throwing mud then hiding behind staff (or Campaign Co-chairs) is not very subtle.

I thought they had a more sophisticated oppo. operation that this. Kind of disappointed in the old Clinton machine.  


by JoeCoaster on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:41:52 PM EST

clinton didn't inhale (none / 0)

bring it on. i can't wait.

i liked what bob franken had to say. any attacks on obama for drug use would end up like a boomerang right back round to the accuser. would raise questions about the fingerpointer's past history of drug use and expose hypocrisy.

so...jerome, what drugs did you indulge in when you were young?

he without sin cast the first stone.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:45:39 PM EST

can't agree with you here (none / 0)

Bringing up Obama's past drug use may not help Hillary, but it could still hurt Obama. Anything that raises doubts about his electability is not a plus for him.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:48:22 PM EST
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Re: can't agree with you here (none / 0)

This is a well known quantity.  It's not like Bush and the Drunk Driving issue days before the election.  Its about making mistakes and learning from mistakes... Obama has framed this right... much better than Bill did (I didn't inhale... what crap) He messed up as a kid, he didn't try and hide it and now he tells others to not make his mistakes.  COmpared to now where we have a President who refuses to admit mistake, or we have Hillary whose history as first lady tells us that when she is pressured she either lies about the issue or feigns ignorance, but never takes responsibility and says "I messed up".  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:56:59 PM EST
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Re: can't agree with you here (2.00 / 1)

I think we are just beyond the point that this will hurt Obama.  This is just old politics & failed tactics from the past.  It's been out there for a long time.  The difference is that Hillary & Shaheen are grasping at straws.  They don't have anything real to attack about, so thet dredge up this stuff.  BTW - if people in NH are upset about this stuff they wan always support Ray Buckey in the primary against Jeanne Shaheen.


by howardpark on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:01:09 PM EST
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Re: can't agree with you here (none / 0)

ah, yes. i forgot it was shaheen who was casting stones.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:09:51 PM EST
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Re: can't agree with you here (none / 0)

You say it's been out there a long time. I disagree. It's been out there a long time only to those who have been paying attention for a long time. That's not most voters.

Activists may see the smear. Voters will just add it to a potential list of doubts they have about any candidate. Now is the time people are starting to pay attention to make their decision.


by sinclair on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:28:49 PM EST
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Re: can't agree with you here (none / 0)

i swear desmoines, this isn't meant as a dis on you. i know you are better than this.  but i am reminded, that in the past, the rule used to be that blacks had to be perfect before they deserved any support.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:08:30 PM EST
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This is ridiculous (none / 0)

Wow, Jerome is quiet for weeks and then all of a sudden now that Obama gets back in this thing and has a lot of momentum, he is non-stop posting.  I know you don't like the guy's positions, but this is getting ridiculous.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:46:00 PM EST

Re: This is ridiculous (none / 0)

Actually, I was quiet for about 4 months. Too much work to do, after a vacation, I'm fired up and ready to go.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:07:23 AM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (2.00 / 2)

I don't think we've ever seen a grassroots mobilization campaign for a Presidential candidate in a primary on the level of Obama's campaign.  It doesn't appear Jerome is up to date in how deep the organization is or how long they've been putting it together.  Poplulista talks a little bit about it here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/12/12/211 139/73

Something which I don't believe has been mentioned is that in New York State, which has a proportional distribution of delegates, Obama is the only other candidate who will be on the ballot in every county of the State.  That involved organizing people throughout NY to collect local signatures very early on.  To think that the Obama organization is putting everything on the Early States and then will have to scramble on Super Tuesday is to be ignorant of the Camp Obama organizational teaching sessions which were held throughout the country all summer long.


by Piuma on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:46:08 PM EST

Clinton vs. Obama (none / 0)

A great post--I (as a Hillary supporter) don't like the recent tone of her attacks.

My question with Obama is:  Where's the beef?
But I think this will be a drawn-out primary battle which will be good for the Democrats.  It's better to get this right.  Not only is it essential for a Dem to win this time, he or she has to be able to govern and get a health-care plan passed and bring the troops home from iraq.


by mikelow1885 on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:47:37 PM EST

Re: Clinton vs. Obama (none / 0)

Im sorry, Im getting tired of everybody hoping for great new things everytime we elect somebody new and being pissed off when we realize that it is impossible for them to deliver.  This is what happened with the Democratic Congress and it will happen with Hillary.  Republicans will filibuster any health-care plan and she will not bring the troops home from Iraq.  


by Toddwell on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:46 PM EST
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I hope (none / 0)

this boomerangs badly on Hillary.  She sure deserves it.  


by Toddwell on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:47:40 PM EST

I hope (none / 0)

this boomerangs badly on Hillary.  She sure deserves it.  


by Toddwell on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:47:40 PM EST

Why is it that whenever Obama (none / 0)

distances himself from one of his staff --- such as with the 1996 questionnaire --- he's throwing his staff under the bus...  but whenever Clinton distances herself from one of her staff, such as Shaheen on drugs, or the memo on abandoning the fight in Iowa, she doesn't take the same heat?

I think that's a bit of a double standard.

Obviously Obama's views on the death penalty, which he has repeatedly addressed in public on multiple occasions, especially while working on the death penalty in Illinois, are not described by the word "no" and never have been.  He's argued repeatedly for maintaining the death penalty in extreme circumstances, but is troubled in the extreme by the extraordinary injustice and unevenness of its application.

In his first race for state senate in 1996 as a political novice and one-time community organizer, what in the world kind of campaign manager would he have had the resources to hire?


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:47:57 PM EST

Re: Why is it that whenever Obama (none / 0)

Well it only seems she doesn't take heat with her supporters (which is an understandable given) and with some of the bloggers like Jerome or Chris or Markos who don't like Obama.  A lot of it comes down to tactics... Jerome, Chris, etc. think that we need a veto proof majority or a filibuster proof and a Dem president and work on turning that progressive.  Others of us think that is futile as there is no real evidence that it will succeed and we prefer to look at a President who can use his or her personality to build some of these changes.  Now will either plan work... I don't know.  I think the Jerome, Chris view doesn't have a prayer in hell, just as they think that Obama couldn't get the things accomplished without the hyper partisanship of the last 16 years.  Only time will tell us who is correct... but both parties are reading this and thinking "We are"


by yitbos96bb on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:03:35 PM EST
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Re: Why is it that whenever Obama (none / 0)

Pretty good summation.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:09:05 AM EST
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Re: Why is it that whenever Obama (none / 0)

obama took responsibility for rezko, apologized for it and donate the money to charity.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:12:36 PM EST
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Florida and Michigan (none / 0)

I still don't see how Michigan or Florida, with no delegates and thus not being contested will give anyone momentum, especially if a candidate wins 3 of 4 or sweeps.  Please share your rationale on this.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:16 PM EST

Re: Florida and Michigan (none / 0)

Everyone is competing in Florida. If Clinton wins Florida, that's big, even if it does not have any delegates. If it did, she could lose all the early states, win Florida and come out of January with the most delegates.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:55:12 PM EST
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Re: Florida and Michigan (none / 0)

IF it gets the same attention as it would.  Given the lack of delegates, I have a feeling you will see  focus on states like California, etc which I think will garner much more media focus and candidate focus.  

Also, you assume Hillary is a shoo-in (she does have an advantage, especially given the number of NY transplants)... but you don't know how momentum will affect this contest at all... a big lead could be destroyed in a week by the momentum coming from Iowa or NH...  One of the reasons why I feel pointing to Florida or Michigan right now is foolish.  1) She has to win it and if someone wins 3 of 4 or sweeps, those florida polls are tightening very fast... 2) It doesn't have any delegates and that changes the game, as much as some refuse to believe it.  I guess time will tell.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:08:37 PM EST
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Re: Drugs & Polls... (none / 0)

But that Florida pledge could kill her there. If the fate of FL is left entirely up to positive coverage that comes with early state momentum, assuming Obama does win a bunch of the early ones, seems like FL would go his way too. But I agree that the media has a vested interest in this thing going well into Feb 5th, so FL could then be spun as her comeback kid moment. But without the ability for her to have a real presence there, seems like it could be difficult.


by Todd Beeton on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:53:50 PM EST

Re: Drugs & Polls... (none / 0)

The pledge will not last after NH & IA.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:10:06 AM EST
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Re: Drugs & Polls... (none / 0)

Howard Dean is on Line 1- please pick up.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:11:24 PM EST
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voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

Hillary has many prominent endorsers (Vilsack, Shaheen, Albright, Wes Clark, Robt. F. Kennedy Jr., Joe Wilson, and many others.  They are all
campaigning for Hillary now in both Iowa and NH and their involvement over the next two weeks will be intense.  Obama's drug use in the past; his "present" votes in the Senate; his healthcare plan; his ultra-liberal voting record and other issues will be discussed at every opportunity by Hillary's big supporters and this will create headlines (just look at the headlines about Obama today, alone).  

Hillary must alter perceptions about Obama and that means informing voters of all his weaknesses.  I only wish she had done it sooner.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 10:57:21 PM EST

Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

Funny, the headlines I have read have been far more bad for Hillary and Shaheen than for Obama.  And Obama got some good jabs in because of this.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:10:22 PM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

if you have watched msm tv stations, they are looking at these comments in a "wtf?" sort of way.  they are reflecting it as petty to the american people.  


"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." - Soren Kierkegaard
by SixthElement on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:48:15 PM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

"ultra-liberal"?

Wow, I am SURE Iowa Dems'll be turned the hell off by an actual (GASP!) progressive record!!!

Mark Penn and Bill Clinton and his wife all seem like their cocks stopped back in 1995 and they have no idea that the world has changed and it is, er, uh, um, 2007.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 12:00:58 AM EST
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Re: voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

bill expressed surprise, on cspan, that you can raise money on the net after he came back from the tsunami tour. and that people didn't have to be bill gates type whiz kids in order to send money in.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:02:40 AM EST
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I think you meant clocks. (none / 0)


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:11:51 AM EST
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Re: Drugs & Polls... (none / 0)

I wish the Clintons would stick to more substantive attacks. Does anyone seriously believe cocaine use in college is going to sink Obama in the general?

Their problem is that there just isn't that much daylight between their positions on too many issues. The best they can do is try to point out differences in approach on things like health care - but, as worked up on some have gotten over the mandate distinction, I'm not sure it's going to sway a lot of people. In an area where's there's a clear difference in approach - foreign policy - Clinton comes out the loser.

Combine that with Obama's success in defining himself so clearly (meaning the character issue has trouble sticking), and you can see why he's a difficult target to hit.


by animated on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:00:03 PM EST

Re: Drugs (none / 0)

I agree 100%.  I still think it's a good possibility that Hillary could win by a few points in Iowa and then run the table.  However, even if in a (just about) worst case early-state scenario, she loses 3 or even 4 of the first six states, the media will still be pushing the horse race through Feb. 5, and she's in a great position in the huge states of California, New York, and New Jersey, not to mention smaller states such Arkansas.  I think that's why she still has an almost 2 to 1 lead in the betting polls, because she has lots of diverse paths to victory.


by markjay on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:30:59 PM EST

Re: Smear (none / 0)

Let's say Clinton's negative personal attacks work and Obama falls.  Edwards benefits.  So now lets say Obama determines to return the favor, support Edwards by dropping a ton of negative ads on Clinton so that Edwards wins NH.  A scenario could easily develop where Edwards ends up winning two or all three of IA, NH and SC.

BTW, tonight I read that Edwards response to the Clinton smear was "I reject that type of politics. I reject it.  I reject it."  I think Edwards brings it up at the debate.


by Javier Doval on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:56:03 PM EST

Re: Smear (none / 0)

The Shaheem attack gas back fired abd the Clinton campaign has had to dls-avow the attack and Bill Shajeem has had to apologsize.


by BDM on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 12:14:29 AM EST
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Re: Wishful Thinking (none / 0)

Sorry, but it is time for Edwards supporters to face the facts.  JE actually winning the nomination would be like sinking the eight-ball on a three-bank combination shot in pool.  It is possible, but increasingly improbable.

Even if Edwards gets all the breaks and pulls out a victory in Iowa.  The most likely scenario is a HRC comeback in NH, Nevada, and SC.  Edwards doesn't have the resources to compete.  

The sad, but true, reality is that the benificiary of Jerome's constant attacks on Obama is most likely Hillary.  This becomes more obvious as the days go by.


by upper left on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:27:16 AM EST
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Re: Denial is not a river in Egypt! (none / 0)

Geez Jerome, for months you have been telling us that Obama is not a progressive.  Now he is an "ultra-liberal" who can't win a GE?  Seems to me you should get your story straight.  

It also seems to me that it is really about time you stop schilling for Hillary, because Hillary is the only one truly benefiting from your constant Obama-bashing.  

Whether you, or I, like it or not, JE is highly unlikely to make it.  The real choice is Obama or Hillary.  So when are you going to get over your denial and stop bashing?


by upper left on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:37:14 AM EST

Re: Denial is not a river in Egypt! (none / 0)

Prior to Iowa in 2004, weren't the choices Dean and nobody else? Where did Kerry come from. We won't have choices until we get to vote. The media doesn't decide who our only choices are.


by sinclair on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 07:22:16 AM EST
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i inhaled. how about you? (none / 0)

your second one doesn't open.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:59:21 AM EST

Re: Drugs & Polls... voting starts in 3 weeks (none / 0)

I'd be very surprised if Michigan gets more than a 10 second blurb on the nightly news. With no one on the ballot except Clinton and Dodd, it's not really an election. No candidates, no delegates, no story!

Florida, though, will get covered as an actual contest. But I don't understand why you think it's unlikely for Obama to win there. If he wins all the states prior to Florida, the momentum will be unstoppable.

The best Clinton could hope for, if Obama wins the early contests, is to set up a final firewall on February 5th, like New York and Arkansas. After she wins a few states there, she can try to regain her footing in February in time for the March primaries.

If anyone wins the first four contests, they will be near impossible to stop. The Democratic primary is getting the coverage of a Presidential election (in a way, many believe it is). I think that if one candidate wins IA, NH, NV, and SC, they win the nomination.


by Kal on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 11:01:47 AM EST


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