A Tie in New Hampshire

Two new polls out of New Hampshire tell just about the same story: We may have a tie on our hands between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama among likely Democratic primary voters in the Granite State. Here are today's CNN/WMUR and Rasmussen Reports polls out of New Hampshire, along with the latest Pollster.com average out of the state.

CandidateCNN/WMUR (Nov)Rasmussen (Nov)Pollster
Clinton31 (36)28 (34)33.4
Obama30 (22)31 (24)25.8
Edwards16 (13)17 (15)15.6
Richardson7 (12)8 (8)8.4
Kucinich3 (3)3 (2)3.1
Biden1 (2)4 (3)2.5
Dodd1 (1)0 (3)0.7

So we now have two polls in a row showing Obama climbing 7-8 points in recent weeks and Clinton dropping 5-6 points over that same time period. Although one would caution against reading too much into such numbers because those moves are either not statistically significant or just on the edge of statistical significance -- remember the margin applies to both numbers, so Obama's 8-point move in CNN doesn't fall outside of the polls' 5 percent margin of error, though his 7-point climb is about there for Rasmussen's 3.5 percent margin or error -- at the same time there are now two polls showing almost the same change in recent weeks, suggesting that there isn't likely some sore of statistical aberration going on.

The race in New Hampshire just may be tied right now, as amazing as that is. Suffice it to say it's going to be an interesting four weeks between now and the New Hampshire primaries.



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I will say this (none / 0)

I don't think the winner in Iowa wins New Hampshire.  Historically there seems to be a thing about New Hampshire and them running against the grain.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 02:03:41 PM EST

historically there were more than 5 days (none / 0)

between the two contests.

I think there should be at least two weeks between Iowa and NH, but no one asked me before putting together this asinine schedule.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:10:07 PM EST
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The tv godess operah has anointed obama as "the one." he must win now. he is tall, thin, rich and very pretty. only looks matter, substance is silly. Obama is cool.he is a movie star. the people of new hamshire must vote for him, and then they will be invited to a hollywoodland like party, where they can drink mojito's and be in with the goddess opera's in crowd. the godess o will give everyhone a gelato machine. obama is thinner than kucinich, clinton and the rest. We will all just get along and be happy under the rule of the god and godess oo.


by maxstar on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 02:04:15 PM EST

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This comment was mildly amusing the first 5 or 6 times you posted it, arguably.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 02:12:41 PM EST
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all the comments on these boards are mildly amusing and repetative. Oh, obama will make everyhing in the world right. Oh, obama is on the rise. oh, obama is the only one who is ready for the jan 5th primary. oh, only obama can win. All the boards are overwhelming filled with uncriticle disciples of obama, not supporters.

And, by the way, who is operah and why did she suck up the oxygen from news last week. Forgive me for being a New Yorker who works during the day and doesn't know any housewives in suburbia(actually, I don't like to leave Manhattan much), but, she is just a talk show host. People act like she is god.

I saw obama during the debates and kucinich and biden bested him. he was ineffectual during all the debates. if he was a ugly and white, none of this worshipping would be happening.


by maxstar on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:04:20 PM EST
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Bill? Is that you?


by Bush Bites on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:26:51 PM EST
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Exactky! What is getting overlooked is that Edwards is showing upward movement in alle the recent NH polls too. In those two he is within 14 % of the frontrunner. Thats within striking distance if and when he wins Iowa.

14% is exactly the median bounce to expect, especially now that either Hillary or Obama have led every single Iowa polls for months. It will be spun as Edwards the comeback kid.

It all depends on Iowa now and NH will vote for the Iowa winner.


by MarcTGFG on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:44 PM EST

The October polling (none / 0)

average in New Hampshire was Clinton 41, Obama 21.75.

The realclearpolitics average is now Clinon 30.8, Obama 27.  Obama had appeared to have stalled in the low 20's in NH - he has clearly moved above 25 and perhaps higher.  Edwards too has picked up enough support to be in range if he won Iowa.

I am shocked at how much this race has moved.  I think we may be seeing a bounce from Iowa to New Hampshire BEFORE Iowa actually has voted.  The same thing happened to a lesser extent in 2004, but this time it has happened earlier and faster.  Of course, you can argue these numbers will reverse should Hillary win Iowa.  

In the end this race is all about Iowa, and the news from there is at best uncertain.  

I have been saying this for 6 months: this race is very fluid and open and will likely turn on 5,000 caucus votes in Iowa.


by fladem on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 02:50:25 PM EST

Georgep??? (none / 0)

spin much??

Where art thou?


by rapcetera on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:01:12 PM EST

Re: Georgep??? (none / 0)

The poll spinners are all over on the national polling diary. Those are the only ones that count now, don't you know.


by JoeCoaster on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:07:57 PM EST
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Two word: Primary. Recounts. (n/t) (none / 0)

:-)


by marchingorders on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:05:16 PM EST

That doesn't fit the narrative at all! (none / 0)

Haven't you heard the news?  Obama is beating Hillary.  Is he like up everywhere.  Her campaign is in tatters and Barry is interviewing VP candidates as we speak!   Check with any pundit who is anybody and they will tell ya.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:17:57 PM EST

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Blah, blah, blah.

I'm a Clinton supporter and I'm here to say, John Edwards will win Iowa, NOT Obama. Who comes in second will determine who wins New Hampshire. Clinton will win MI and FL and will likely win Super Tuesday.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 03:38:22 PM EST

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Not hard to win when you're the only one on the ballot.


by dmc2 on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 05:38:33 PM EST
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MOE of a difference: you don't just add the MOEs (none / 0)

To get the square of the MOE of the difference, you add the squares of the individual MOEs.  (It's a Pythagorean relationship, if that helps.  If it doesn't, forget that I mentioned it.)

If the individual MOEs are the same, you can shortcut that by multiplying by the square root of 2.

So a 5% MOE of both the individual polls is a 7.1% MOE of the difference.

Therefore Obama's jump from 22% to 30% in the CNN poll IS statistically significant at the 95% level, if the original MOEs were 95% MOEs.

Similarly, Hillary's 6-point drop in the Rasmussen poll, with its 3.5% MOEs, is statistically significant.

[This applies only to comparisons of estimates that aren't significantly correlated, by the way.  Comparing (positively or negatively) correlated estimates requires the use of a slightly more complicated formula, plus a decent estimate of the correlation coefficient.]

Feel free to run this by the guys at Pollster.com if you don't want to take my word for it.


by RT on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 04:38:43 PM EST

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A simple link from 2001
I just came across this...but I feel it is important to share.
It addresses where candidates stand now..where they stood...and where they will stand.

The question for Iowa...for all of us is simple.
....(note this does exclude Dennis because he is/has been always there)..Will my candidate will take on the puppet masters?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/feature s/2001/0110.green.html


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 05:35:59 PM EST

What happens if it is close? (none / 0)

Does anyone know how delegates are apportioned in New Hampshire?  Is it winner take all?  By congressional district?  Proportionate to the popular vote?

Just wondering.  thanks


by lawyerDan on Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 06:24:32 PM EST


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