Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Questions

As chase martyn just posed on Breaking Blue, the Clinton campaign got caught planting questions.

Chase Marytn's story here

And the original scoop from the Grinnell College newspaper below the fold.

UPDATE: Did Hillary also use plant's at YearlyKos? A commenter on DKos thinks so. This story could be bad, bad news for the Clinton campaign.

UPDATE2: The Clinton campaign has CONFIRMED that this happened. Unbeiveable. And the campaign is claiming that Hillary didn't know anything about it. 

On Tuesday Nov. 6, the Clinton campaign stopped at a biodiesel plant in Newton as part of a weeklong series of events to introduce her new energy plan. The event was clearly intended to be as much about the press as the Iowa voters in attendance, as a large press core helped fill the small venue. Reporters from many major national news outlets came to the small Iowa town, from such media giants as The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, and CNN.

After her speech, Clinton accepted questions. But according to Grinnell College student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff '10, some of the questions from the audience were planned in advance. "They were canned," she said. Before the event began, a Clinton staff member approached Gallo-Chasanoff to ask a specific question after Clinton's speech. "One of the senior staffers told me what [to ask]," she said.

Clinton called on Gallo-Chasanoff after her speech to ask a question: what Clinton would do to stop the effects of global warming. Clinton began her response by noting that young people often pose this question to her before delving into the benefits of her plan.

But the source of the question was no coincidence--at this event "they wanted a question from a college student," Gallo-Chasanoff said. She also noted that staffers prompted Clinton to call on her and another who had been approached before the event, although Clinton used her discretion to select questions and called on people who had not been prepped before hand. Some of the questions asked were confusing and clearly off-message.

Link here

I don't want to get into too much of my opinion about this but I'd be pretty mad if my canidate did this. Coming from a campaign that makes it's field workers cry and called a real Iowan a plant.

Sorry for the shortness of this.



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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

yawn.....


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 09:11:23 PM EST

thheey haad no problems yesterdaaay (2.00 / 2)

with the story that Obama staffers are Trying to get reporters to talk about Bill Clintons sex life--

But now some Clinton aide  helps aa kid to ask a qustion at a rally - and this is the end of

.....WHAT?  i JUST DONT GET IT...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 09:48:37 PM EST
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Re: thheey haad no problems yesterdaaay (2.00 / 2)

you are equating Obama's people trying to tear Bill to Clinton's campaign using a plant at THEIR OWN EVENT? please...


by American1989 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:16:19 PM EST
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Re: thheey haad no problems yesterdaaay (2.00 / 2)

What do you mean they had no problems yesterday.  You were the one who wrote the diary.


by Piuma on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:50:26 PM EST
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Re: thheey haad no problems yesterdaaay (none / 0)

and nonee of you cared a whit...butt this....oh the sky is falling...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:21:12 AM EST
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Re: Dyslexia? (1.60 / 5)

Holden, did I tell you how your constant disregard for spelling/typos annoys me?

And yes, this is gonna be bad for HRC.

The MSNBC debate, the Peruvian FTA, now this. It's gonna be a tough week.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:44:03 PM EST
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frigging loner laptop (none / 0)

ssticks - adds letters - subtracts - doubles them...aaah!

its hard to sound strong calling someone a calling someone a fool - when he keyboard causes one  to spell "the" wrong...

this deal ...is a blip...won't mean squat, outside the gotcha and hill haters community...

hell, during radio interviews, the protocol is to flood the station with scripted calls, its good pr...I produced 2 hrs of natl radio a day in dc in the nineties....the congress criittters press sec didnt do that for at least one issue was rare indeed...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:50:33 PM EST
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Re: Dyslexia? (none / 0)

Tell me about it, friend.  I've been trying to lead by example with Mr. Caulfield, responding to his posts with proper grammar and logical arguments. Sadly, he's proving to be an obstinate student.  


The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.
by CLLGADEM on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:57:58 PM EST
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Re: thheey haad no problems yesterdaaay (none / 0)

If you Clinton lovers did not mistitle diaries accusing Obama instead of his aides regarding the silly whining about the lack of enough attention on Clinton's sex life, maybe you would have had more people condemning the aides' tactics.

Don't you Clintonites have any shame? Do you ever condemn a single Clinton thing or do you just kiss her ass 24/7 like Bushies do with Bush?

What a bunch of shameless people.

Just once, I would like to see some fucking objectivity by your types.


by Pravin on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:57:23 AM EST
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Re: thheey haad no problems yesterdaaay (1.33 / 3)

You are right. Clinton supporters do kiss her ass. In fact they worship her ass because nothing Hillary says or does is wrong with them. Even her shit is worthy of adoration.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 08:40:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I know, respect and love tthe woman (none / 0)

I have spent many a time laughing and joking with her...she is a great, fun and funny person.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 11:03:50 AM EST
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Re: I know, respect and love tthe woman (2.00 / 1)

Somehow I can imagine you being a friend of Hillary Clinton: A Pompous, self-described know it all, condescending, disrespectful and childish ass. Kind of just like Newt Gingrich.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 11:13:32 AM EST
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disrespectful?...you bet! (none / 0)

I have ZERO respect with yipping attacking ankle biting know nothing , half educated, resent filled fools and flakes like you..

I have never ever been rude to anyone who argues on the issues EVER....its likely there are many here who know more about some of these thigs than me, of course...its just you ignorant and foolish haters ....who pretend you KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL about the politics of getting elected at all - which you clearly do not... on these things . you people are dumber than a brick.

and those like you who then parrot the attacks coming from our enemies in the media and tthe gop who yell about a dem being dishoest and corrupt - just like the dipshits for bradley who called Gore a liar - you are risking and justt may cause a loss in november, just like 2000...

and Im disrespectful?  Damn right I am.

I hate anybody who helps the Republicans win the white House...ie, people like you.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 11:30:21 AM EST
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Re: disrespectful?...you bet! (none / 0)

I for one am tired of fascists like you that claim that any disagreement with Hillary Clinton is siding with the Neocons. Frankly you are the the one that buys into the Bush/Cheney philosophy that many of us have been fighting for years. In fact some of us have been fighting these type of distorted generalizations for decades. During Vietnam those of us that protested against and tried to put an end to the war were labeled by the fascists as Commie sympathizers. Guess what? We were frickin right then just like we are right now. So take your frickin fascist Hillary support and cozy up with your Neocon friends. We don't need your kind in the Democratic party. Just because you are Republican Lite doesn't mean you aren't still a Republican.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 01:06:40 PM EST
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my kind IS THE PARTY (none / 0)

isnt that what pisses you off so much?

to find that you are not a silly emotive kid is disappointing, now you have no excuse for your ignorance and idiocy...

rage on bucko, scream, rant and accuse people that have actually done good for millions of working people that they are corrupted...it will be for naught...Hillary will be our nominee...and you will go to waste your vote with Nader...

so it goes..

butt, from wha you say..i think i better inform my higher-uppers in the union world about my being a bushie-neo con...cause if I am, THERE ARE TOO!...

AND THEN WE BETTER BE READY - TO kick our OWN ASSES!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 01:27:55 PM EST
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Re: my kind IS THE PARTY (none / 0)

Fortunately most of the Democrats I know are reasonable, respectful human beings. That is why I am proud to be a member of the party. Aberration asses similar to you are rare thankfully. Screw your either for Hillary or you are a Naderite bullshit. That comment alone demonstrates quite clearly that you are a fascist and not a real Democrat. I never supported Ralph Nader for President. In fact I rallied against the prick. Despicable jerks like you are a disgrace to our party. You offer nothing but venom to those that don't agree completely with your pathetic point of view. I don't care who you said you have worked for or where you say you went to college. Your credentials don't mean a thing to anyone with any sense. The hatred you spew forth demonstrates quite clearly who you are and represents quite well the candidate you support. You are like areyouready on steroids. Or Newt Gingrich.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 02:31:24 PM EST
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you call tthe clintons corrupt (1.00 / 1)

and hillary a dirty liar and im the one spewing hate?

you are a bitter and resent filled,  it is very, very obvious, you need to find someone to blame...and may i point out...youre just a impotent ankle bitting dirt tossing know nothing btw...

you dont anger me, because i have nothing to fear from haters like you.

if you believe the things youve said, youll never be about to rally round a clinton run without being a total hypocrite...

you will be with nader and we real democrats ...wont miss you sliming and screaming nobodies a bit.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 02:54:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

by the way dipshit (none / 0)

ive never argued with anybody here ever about the issues - ever...

never.

Everybody is allowed their personal possition on the ISSUES, Id never ever argue that they didnt.  Ever.

I just fight back against the personal attacks and the sliming from idiot losers like you...you guys are fighting from the gutter and cry and whine when you gett a hard response..too f-ing bad.  Im only here to fight and annoy your type for my own amusement.

To know nothing biter failures who need to slime, slander and hate those like the clintons who've done better and done more for than  you could ever imagine....

those are the issues to you arent they?

the politics of bitter resentment and inner rage...

2 months more of your type and...then buh-bye..

remember this and me when this happens...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 03:07:40 PM EST
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Re: by the way dipshit (none / 0)

I think it obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense that you are nothing but a delusional pompous ass.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 03:21:29 PM EST
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pompus - at times (none / 0)

ass - you bet

delusional - you wissh


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 03:33:27 PM EST
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I luv both Clintons (none / 0)

and still spent  years fightin nafta....show  where you have done the same with your man crush.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 11:06:08 AM EST
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so if nobody talked about disgraceful acts by (none / 0)

team obama....more people would talk about it?

good one!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 11:10:01 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 1)

oh cmon lori. blow a line and get interested. this why politics today sucks.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:02:53 PM EST
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seems like a form of dishonesty (2.00 / 3)

to plant questions.

isn't this what FEMA did?  fake it


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:32:25 AM EST
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Re: seems like a form of dishonesty (2.00 / 2)

Ah really bad joke about hillary and faking it comes to mind... MUST. RESIST.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:06:15 AM EST
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Re: seems like a form of dishonesty (none / 0)

That's exactly what I was thinking.  Jeebus, Clinton uses FEMA marketing methods.  Smart.  Very smart.


Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:25:51 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 1)

You wish...  


by dkmich on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:17:03 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

I don't know why anyone is yawning on this one.

Don't folks understand that George W. Bush did this on both campaigns?  Was never honest nor frank with the public?

This has taken her off the table for good for me.  Why on holy hell would she do this?  Is she that paranoid, afraid of answering questions?  Is she that scripted?  Is she that fake, phoney?

Enough.  Just enough.


by iamready on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 06:50:36 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

You just showed that you are more of a Clinton groupie than concerned with what Bush has done to the country. This is exactly what the Bush types do. Hillary is obviously not as bad as Bush with respect to crowd control. But come on. Stop blindly being a Hillary shill all the time and be concerned with the party first for a change and not one person.


by Pravin on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:58:47 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 2)

That's kind of embarrassing.

How long did it take the press to start calling Bush out on this sort of thing?  They barely do it now.

Our national press could learn a thing or two from this college newspaper.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 09:26:16 PM EST

steve (none / 0)

it was a kid


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 09:50:56 PM EST
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Re: steve (none / 0)

All I said was that it's embarrassing!

I'm not sure why it's relevant who the question was planted with, but I'm not up for faux outrage in any event.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:27:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

asking (none / 0)

what ya think about global warming?

now that was soooooo evil!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:03:24 PM EST
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That's not the point at all (2.00 / 1)

Wow.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:39:33 PM EST
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wow back att ya (none / 0)

the real point is you were trolling a right wing hate site looking for dirt...now that is vile...

that shows your evil intent and your lack o' class.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:25:47 AM EST
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I read this (2.00 / 5)

On Breaking Blue. You know on that right-wing hate site MyDD?


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:53:05 AM EST
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Re: I read this (none / 0)

you admit posting from that vile anti hillary site - you should be whipped!

and in 55 day, you will  be.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:55:08 PM EST
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Re: I read this (none / 0)

you admit posting from that vile right wing funded anti hillary smear site - the hillary project -you should be whipped!

and in 55 day, you will  be.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:57:40 PM EST
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Re: That's not the point at all (none / 0)

If you haven't posted this on the Iowa and NH blogs (see list of links on side of this site), I would encourage you to do so.  I'm sure they know, but our participation in those two websites would be helpful just like they were with Lamont and CT.  It's always nice to know people are cheering you on. This is typical Clinton manipulation.


by dkmich on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:19:37 AM EST
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be sure and tell em (none / 0)

the hillary project sent ya...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:36:34 AM EST
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Re: steve (none / 0)

The press did bring up the Bush control over this. It wsa the pundits that ignored it. Hillary is not in the Bushian league as far as this kind of shit is concerned. It is admittedly minor when you compare this to what Bush has done. But come on. There is no room for this kind of nonsense.

Democrats should wonder why they did not make a bigger deal about Bush doing this in the past. They could have made fun of Bush's cowardice with a lot of hidden video of Bush thugs throwing out people and framing it in ads.


by Pravin on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 01:02:21 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

Please every campiagn does this....even dare I say it......Mitt Edwards! To quote Lori "YAWN"

Next anti-Hillary post!


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 09:51:08 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (1.00 / 5)

youre a fucking moron. OH MY GOD, DID YOU JUST USE ROMNEY'S FIRST NAME AND EDWARDS LAST NAME?!? IM A CONVERT! seriously, fuck off and kill yourself. it will raise the human species collective IQ.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:04:46 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

Once again showing you are the intellegent one....really don't you have something better to do than to theaten someone online? Really, pathetic!


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:16:11 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 2)

its not a threat. and im not trying to seem intelligent- im trying to display the irrational anger that arises when someone compares our candidates to Guiliani and Romney. You can have a little cabal-love-in as much as you want- but this destruction of democrats will not stand. As vulger as I am, I have always defended hillary. You think I'm in middle school??? Well guess what?

Your constant obsession with this blog as a mother fucking soap opera displays how little you give a fuck about the substantiative issues of this election.

Edwards is Romney? you my friend are distorted and a groupie.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:58:51 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

Believe me I know the isseus very well! And like I said a while back ago I WAS FOR EDWARDS!!!! But when i started to look at his record and when he started going negative against a very solid progressive, He turned me off and I saw him for what he was! A fake! A flip-flopper and someone trying to appeal to the far left of the dems.

Hillary has not changed ONE position to suit her politicaly.
Hillary did NOT apologized when everyone said she better or she will lose the nom
She has alwasy been for UHC, she didn't change from her last election.
She had a higher progressive rating in the senate at the same time JRE was!

The list goes on!

Im sorry if I offend you, but you guys are saying all these awful things about Hillary that just isn't true! Even worst is you don't back up you statements with facts! If you don't like Hillary for a good reason, that is fine. But to proclaim that Edwards is the best progressive in the race is FALSE! Look at his record and than look at the other canidates in the race and tell me who has the record. If you don't think Hillary as a good enough one than there are others who have been in public office for years!

Im sorry but it is true!!!!!!


by boxer4hrc on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:33:27 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

This post is about as truthful as HRC; not very.

You say: Hillary has not changed ONE position to suit her politicaly.
Hillary did NOT apologized when everyone said she better or she will lose the nom
She has alwasy been for UHC, she didn't change from her last election.
She had a higher progressive rating in the senate at the same time JRE was.

First, I honestly admire the discipline with which you Clintonites follow your talking points.  I am an Edwards supporter and we have never tried to coordinate our message.  You are like the third or fourth person who made the exact same arguments about HRC vs. JRE using almost exactly the same language.  Seriously, your team is nothing if not disciplined.

However, truthfulness you are not so good at.  To say that HRC hasnt changed her positions is laughable.  She went from being a strong supporter to strong opponent of NAFTA. And she has not always been for UHC.  IF I show you a link where she made clear she was not for UHC when she ran for Senate in 2000, will you stop being a HRC supporter?  And if she is so much more progressive then Edwards generally, how come on every domestic issue, she waits for Edwards to come out with his plan then basically copy it?  Gie me a break.


Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:37:48 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

im trying to display the irrational anger that arises when someone compares our candidates to Guiliani and Romney. You can have a little cabal-love-in as much as you want- but this destruction of democrats will not stand.

Really?  If that's true, then I absolutely applaud you, but I feel very certain that you could have found a better way to express yourself.

Did you have this same level of rage when Obama called Hillary "Bush-Cheney lite"? Do you have this much rage against Edwards for his continued attacks on a fellow Dem?  It's been going on for months now, so you must be ready to explode by now.  

I've said many times that I don't like it when Dems go after each other in a negative, no policy oriented way, and I didn't like the comment you were responding to, either. But your response was completely disproportionate, in my view.

youre a fucking moron. OH MY GOD, DID YOU JUST USE ROMNEY'S FIRST NAME AND EDWARDS LAST NAME?!? IM A CONVERT! seriously, fuck off and kill yourself. it will raise the human species collective IQ.

Way over the top.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:38:32 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

fair enough. It was over the top, and i often forget  that tone doesnt get conveyed over the tubes that well. especially when im drunk blogging. but this "Mitt Edwards" shit is getting ridiculous.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:49:24 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

Drunk blogging? Outstanding!  Have one for me next time.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:57:53 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

oh and one more thing- im undecided in this race, i agree with kucinich on most issues but i don't think im voting for him. My point is that I am arguing with other bloggers, i dont need to take responsibility for everything each candidate says.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:52:14 PM EST
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A Clinton supporter... (2.00 / 2)

mocking someone's intelligence?

This from the group that literally defines "low -information" supporters, the MyDD Hillary Hack Pack.

This from same bunch that clearly does not give a shit about the future of the Democratic party or what it is supposed to stand for...only their imaginary bond with an unlikable, corrupt, finger in the wind, afraid to answer questions, stand for nothing, unelectable, fake laugh using, Mark Penn loving, down-ticket death virus known as Hillary Clinton.

You are absolutely pathetic.  You don't have the slightest clue about that of which you speak, and you are damn proud of it.

Hillary 08'- Low-Info and Proud Of It!

Dismissing Hillary's 8 millionth fuck up this week as "yawn" is like a third-grader saying "I know you are, but what am I?"

Well, since all of you only understand third-grader speak...

"You are about as smart as a penis wrinkle."

There...or was that above your collective head?

I'll drop down to 1st-grader speak...3rd grade is probably aiming a bit too high for most of you.

"You are dumb like stinky doo doo face."

Got it?

Should I continue the childish taunts?

The problem with Hillary is that her husband is "hornier than a full grown deer".

Oops, I think I overshot that one.  That was probably more in the 4th - 5th grade range.

I love listening to Hillary supporters give their completely incoherent rationale for supporting her.  They sound like my 5 year old cousin...

"Uncle My-Key, I like Hilrary becau she is a  Democrat...and I am a Democrat...and she married the Preznit...and she is a girl...and I am a girl...and this one time, when I was this many (holds up 4 fingers)... I was tyowd, but I could not go sleepy sleepy... my momma put on Hilrary on the TV and I went nigh nigh right awayyyy."

The difference is that when it comes from my cousin it's cute as hell.  When it comes from Hillary hacks, especially considering their age, it's annoying as hell.

Here comes the backlash..."I'm not stupid alright, how dare you! Hillary is 44 and I know so because she is the one real grassroots candidate, and it's not like half the country despises her or anything, and she is in it to win it...AND ready for change...AND ready to lead...and the Clinton's administration was GREAT...except for the health care mistakes, which were not even Hillary's fault...though she has the scars to show for it.  Same with NAFTA, that was all Bill too.  Nevermind her vote on the Peru trade deal, she has to do that because she is in "general election" mode."

STFU


The bold progressive leader is the most electable candidate. Reclaim the Democratic Party! Support John Edwards.
by Michael 4 Edwards on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:09:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Clinton supporter... (none / 0)

Once again you have not stated any facts to the reason why Hillary is so bad. You guys are just like your canidate, when ya'll are failing you go after someone personaly. Look the truth is until you can state facts that prove John has be working for the smaller guy or hasn't been about corperations, Im not listening. You can't! You can only state things he has said in the past 2 years.

LOOK AT HIS DAMN RECORDED!!!    It speaks for itself!

I think I know why you guys are really mean and hateful, its because you know Im right! Mybe you have actually looked at his and Hills record but decided that ou don't care. That your haterd for Hillary is just too much and there is no way in hell you will let the truth overcome the lies!

I will pray that you guys find the light!


by boxer4hrc on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:23:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Clinton hater joinss tthe news max brigade. (none / 0)

The problem with Hillary is that her husband is "hornier than a full grown deer".


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:28:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Clinton hater joinss tthe news max brigade. (none / 0)

now thats just funny


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:59:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 1)

OMG its middle school all over again!


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:01:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

not mine - wed been brawling way before this..

words were for pussies!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:05:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

yep why do you think my name is boxer?


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:07:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

dig it


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:34:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 1)

touche. des moins. thursday. noon. come prepared.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:01:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (2.00 / 1)

Is "fuck off and die yourself" a real statement? Well we all know who didn't English!


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:08:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

OOps...pass is suppose to go in there....lol


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:12:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

thats what i like to hear buddy


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:59:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The why did the Clinton campaign do it so poorly . (none / 0)

... that it got out? I thought the Clinton campaign was an unstoppable juggernaut, a well-oiled machine.

Running under the frame of "I'm in it to win", in addition to raising the question of why anyone else should be in it, other than to back a winner, also sets a benchmark of constantly looking like she is in command of the situation.

Not being in command of a story about planting questions so that she can look in command at the event doesn't fit comfortably inside that frame.


The words of the prophets are written on the subway halls
   and tenement halls
by BruceMcF on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:53:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So evil (none / 0)

A pox on all of you. All hail Obama.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:10:45 PM EST

thee O'Barry cults (none / 0)

mothership has landed...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:13:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Color Me Skeptical (none / 0)

I have serious doubts as to the validity of this story.  A college kid goes to a rally and claims her question was prompted?

Hillarry's run for the Senate twice.

She's 10 months in to a grueling race for the white house against guys who've gotty more than a little nasty since the Oct. 30th debate.

And now SUDDENLY we're seeing one claim of a planted question, posted in a college newspaper?

Given Hillary's track record of never having done something this, I seriously doubt the campaign planted anything.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:30:33 PM EST

Not that Fox News is much of a sorce (2.00 / 1)

But they have confirmed it and the editor of Iowa Independent says he trusts the source.

I'm not sure if I believe this but someone on dKos is claiming she did the same thing at yKos. This is real.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/11 /9/18391/1402/32#c32

What would you say if they did do this. Which if Fox News is to believe they did.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:47:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How about this? (2.00 / 1)

http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S =7339951&nav=1LFX

That good enough proof?


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:56:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

twas a energy rollout for youung uns... (none / 0)

picture this...

big room -media aide - crowd - kid

the question was what do ya think about global warming -= they went to a kid in the room and said - hey kid - do ya worry about global warming - kid said yeah - aide said go over there by that mike and ask hillary about it -kid said ok - went over to mike and said- hey hillary your aide said i should ask what ya think about globl warming - room  laughs - hillary answers -

then..

SOME BLOGGERS SAY HILLARY IS GEORGE BUSH!

see how logical that is?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:16:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ummmm (none / 0)

they admitted it.


by okamichan13 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:10:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Color Me Skeptical (none / 0)


I don't know why this matters in this instance.  I can see why, for elementary reasons of time and energy, a campaign staff would want all the obvious questions asked and answered right off the bat.

It would be real news if it were really biased or very loaded or trick questions, or done to just run out the clock on harder questions.

We're currently in a wonderland of ingenues, paranoiacs, dolts, little blunders, and oppo research games.  In short, I'm quite sure Joe Trippi and Chris Lehane and Mark Penn and the like are presently hard at work getting the opposition mired down.  We've had the sortout on issues and positions and perceived leadership and endorsements and money, which Clinton won.  So now it's miserable trench warfare of underlings, drowning each other with petty bullshit and face-to-face combat with sharpened trench tools and spades.

I'm trying to remember the name of Kerry's nearly invisible Iowa organizing guy, something like Michael Geoghan.  I'd guess he's with Team Clinton.  That's who to really watch.


by killjoy on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:31:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

a very reasonable pov (2.00 / 1)

what the heck are you doing here?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:30:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a very reasonable pov (none / 0)


Sorry  :-)  I apologize!!!
by killjoy on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:19:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i believed it, knew what happened (none / 0)

and just dont care.

they wanted a - whatdoyathinkabouttglobalwarming intro...to present their energy plan...big deal.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:16:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (2.00 / 1)

You linked to a site called Hillary Project. I've never seen it before. What exactly is this website? As I perused through this website I saw some citations from Judicial Watch etc. Is Judicial Watch the citation standard for the left blogosphere now?

As for the substance of this post, this story doesn't help the Clinton campaign. It really doesn't matter whether other campaigns do this or not. The Clintons are held to a different standard than other politicians. It's really unfair but that's the way it is and that's the environment that all Democrats except for Barack Obama operate.

All of these stories are meant to drive down Clinton's support. As of yet we don't know whether the culmination of all of these stories will discourage people from caucusing for her. We'll have to see what kind of impact these stories will have on HRC's candidacy in the future.

I think it's positive that the campaign admitted it immediately.  It's bad that it happened right before the JJ dinner b/c most likely it will be talked/mocked about from Senator Clinton's competitors during the dinner. She's going to have to have a decent performance tomorrow night to get the press to talk about her appearance there instead of this story.....

As a HRC supporter, I'm going to choose to look on the bright side of this story and the tipping story yesterday. These negative stories are only going to make her campaign sharper and more resilient for the general election. I think the next few weeks will allow us to see the character strengths and weaknesses of all the candidates. We will get to see which candidate best comes to grips with the intensity of the campaign.  Whichever candidate adjusts to this new dynamic in the campaign will most likely rise to the top under all of the pressure.

The next couple of weeks until Thanksgiving are critical....


by ademption on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:30:41 PM EST

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (none / 0)

The only place where I've seen that HRC's campaign confirmed this story was at Fox News. So take it for what you will....

Clinton Campaign Confirms Planting Town Hall Question, Says It Won't Happen Again

SIOUX CITY, Iowa --  Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton's campaign admitted Friday that it planted a global warming question in Newton, Iowa, Tuesday during a town hall meeting to discuss clean energy.

Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elliethee admitted that the campaign had planted the question and said it would not happen again.

"On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Senator Clinton's energy plan at a forum," Elliethee said.

"However, Senator Clinton did not know which questioners she was calling on during the event. This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again.

--

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3103 16,00.html


by ademption on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:36:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Also Confirmed By ABC News (2.00 / 1)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2007/11/clinton-camp-ad.html


by HatchInBrooklyn on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:24:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The letter was (2.00 / 2)

sent to the Des Moines Register. The Hillary Project website is a right-wing smear site from all I can tell but it had the original letter on it so I used it anyways. Just to let you know I DO NOT support anything the "Hillary Project" does.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:44:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (none / 0)

someeone linked to that - NOW THAT PERSON SHOULD BE BANNED _ who the f was that sob?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:18:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (2.00 / 1)

You idiot, it's also appeared in the AP.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:03:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (none / 0)

any scum sucking vermin piece of garbage that goes to right wing hate sites run by our darkest enemies should be Id'd, grabbed by their weasel neck and the hung from he nearest liberty tree as traitors....I cant believe you just defended that - turn in your name of honor...if you seem so willing to sully it..


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:38:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (none / 0)

That's one for the scrapbook right there.  And these days you've got to say something really special to qualify.  Unbelievable.  

(I suggest it not be hidden.)


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:23:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (none / 0)

are you talking about general sherman saying - to quote:
that "the Clintonss are excrementt", that "should burn in hell" , that "Hillary is a white bitch", and some reference tto the Presidents fucking around...

and thats just from him today.

What need for the far right to fund a hillary project when general sherman and this diarist are willing to search and share the dirt for free?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:08:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Populista, what is this Hillary Project site? (none / 0)

and tax free too!


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:47:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

I hope this was just an aide making a mistake and Hillary did not know about it.

If this happened to any other candidate that's not named Hillary , it'd probably be a none story but because Hillary has the reputation of being overly calculated , this story could hurt her a bit.


by Prodigy on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:43:20 PM EST

Fort Madison (2.00 / 0)

I was asked to ask a planted question by Clinton aide Chris Hayler at an event in Fort Madison, Iowa at the home of State Sen. Gene Fraise.  IT was at the time she was kicking licked on Iraq and they wanted to me to ask something about how to confron the President on funding (in the wake of Obama saying in the end the troops would get their funds).  This has been going on for a good while.  I am surprised it just now is getting reported, though Ben Smith did report about it on politico many months ago, in that I told him about it.  Not the first time and will not be the last.  The least they could have done is left me 100 dollars!!!!  

 


McCain/Palin: Old and inexperienced
by cspanjunkie on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:56:05 PM EST

Re: Fort Madison (none / 0)

uuh huh right....oh yeah sure....and as the hillary hater you are - you just happened to be at her event....and just happened to make this an issue now...not then...right...sure...no prob...you seem VERY credible...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:43:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Fort Madison (none / 0)

Check with Ben Smith at politico.com  He wrote about it back then.


McCain/Palin: Old and inexperienced
by cspanjunkie on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:47:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Could you give me a (none / 0)

link? I tried to find it but couldn't. That would be very interesting.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Could you give me a (none / 0)

try the hillary project again or maybe news max...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:10:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

entitlement (none / 0)

Hillary is a weak privileged white women...a loser and a poser.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:09:06 PM EST

Re: entitlement (none / 0)

Wow really constructive! Really says a lot about your character!


by boxer4hrc on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:13:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: entitlement (none / 0)

Typical Obama race baiter. Surrounded by race baiters, there is there's zero chance he'll get close to the white house.


by prisonbreak on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:22:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: entitlement (1.50 / 2)

And Hillary isn't a vagina-bater?


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:02:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: entitlement (none / 0)

Ha Ha!!!!


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:02:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

race war, race war, race war.... (none / 0)

oh yeah right -  with this attitude coming from any obama suporterss ...

it shows he's much more electable in the general election than Hillary...

right...

so who can we run in 2012 against rudy...?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:05:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

white woman? (none / 0)

translation: that cracker bitch!

well.. now we know your lil problem dont we...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:45:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: white woman? (none / 0)

sounds 'bout right.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:42:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

tell me (none / 0)

do you hate white people?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 07:27:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: tell me (none / 0)

No, not in general.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:15:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: tell me (none / 0)

then cut the racist bs then...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:27:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: tell me (none / 0)

Sorry, I don't tap dance.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:45:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: tell me (none / 0)

its sad...

you really are a victim arent you?

obviously...this country's not ready...

cause you know there are many more of your opposite out there who will respond in kind, i will not...they will...

and thats maybe why there is not one black governor or one black senator besides Obama...who got elected in a crazy fluke - which I loved - and still has not been tested...

not one...zero.

the white america that wrongly made you like you are ...

will ever vote as you wish...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 11:43:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary Clinton is a Politician's Politician! (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is a Politician's Politician!

I bet Bill is SO Proud!
(he probably taught her that trick)

Ever wonder why Hillary has so much trouble with Honest Questions?

Could it be because ... she has SO few Honest Answers?

... could be?


by jamess on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:10:05 AM EST

deep dude DEEP! (none / 0)


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:47:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (2.00 / 1)

my guess is that all campaigns does plant questions to make their candidate look good  but never got caught red handed doing so.

The only difference here is , the Clinton camp tried to plant a question in broad day light through someone they did not even know and the person snitched on them. Embarrassing.

But make no mistake , i don't think the Clintons camps are the first to plant questions and they won't be the last.


by Prodigy on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 12:38:37 AM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

Exactly. This probably happens all the time. It's a non issue, and I think most voters will come to that conclusion. Politicians are politicians. Obama and Edwards will try to denie they never did it, but of course they have.


by Christopher Lib on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:52:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (2.00 / 1)

And that right there sums up the Clinton candidacy and why I'm not on board.  If you want the country to change for the better, YOU have to change for the better.  That includes the candidate AND the voter.  If the voter and the candidate both say "well everyone does it, it's been happening forever, that's just politics" that's not a recipe for progress, but a recipe for maintaining the status quo.  The country will not get turned around by doing what has always been done.  And the voter should demand it, not rationalize it by associating bad behavior with standards of practice.


by cesar on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:22:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (2.00 / 2)

Obama and Edwards will try to denie they never did it, but of course they have.

I doubt they will deny having never done it, because they have in fact never done it.


by Mystylplx on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:44:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

In Fact you say? Where is this so-called fact?

Your just blind!

Why does this story matter? This is so ridiculous it makes me sick!

When this type of thing was going on with Edwards and his $500 haircut, everyone was so quick to jump on it as a non-issue. Even the fact that he was using campiagn donations and not his own money! Do you think that is right? I mean i have donated to Clinton and I would be upset if she spent my money, that I gave her for her campiagn not for her hair, to do this, I would be mad!

But Edwards is ok cause he is a TRUE progessive NOW! Whatever! You guys are so far out there! Give it up, your guys is toast!


by boxer4hrc on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:15:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (2.00 / 1)

Well then you should be mad.  Hillary Clinton's Hairdos


Clinton, the likely 2008 Democratic White House front-runner, ponied up nearly $3,000 in campaign cash for her blond tresses to get some presidential pampering from acclaimed D.C. stylist Isabelle Goetz.

Recently released federal fund-raising records show Clinton shelled out $1,500 in April for Goetz to carefully craft her coiffure and another $1,000 for a camera-ready clip in May.

She passed off both styling sessions as "media production" expenses.

Edwards always paid for his own haircuts, except that an aide made a mistake and used the wrong credit card.  Hillary still charges the campaign.

The difference is that Edwards advocates for the poor so for some reason people think he should behave as if he were poor.  Hillary on the other hand doesn't worry about the poor, just lobbyists and so her hairdos being costly makes sense.


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:54:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

If that story is true, then yeah that does piss me off. But I highly doupt that Edwards "didn't know"....once again whatever Edwards says is true even though the facts say otherwise.


by boxer4hrc on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:31:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

you don't seem so much pissed off as much as returning to edwards.


by bruh21 on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:33:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It was a joke. (2.00 / 1)

If they denied having never done it would mean they were saying that they HAD done it. It's a double negative.


by Mystylplx on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:37:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She was suspected of planting Qs (none / 0)

at her YearlyKos breakout session (as well as filibustering so she only had to take 5 questions). NONE of the other candidates left this impression. I was at Edwards's session where he seemed to go out of his way to take tough questions by calling on people wearing RIVAL candidates' paraphenalia (or potential candidates in the case of Gore).


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:28:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (2.00 / 2)

Seem like the most read newspaper in Iowa has frontpaged this story.

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/frontpage

The fact that this took place in Iowa , a state where Hillary is still in a tough 3 way-race , makes it worst.

She may still win the state , but i think this story will hurt her a bit because likely caucus goers will not like it once they read about this and they will now wonder whether all the questions that are being asked during her town-hall meetings are in fact plants.


by Prodigy on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:01:04 AM EST

This kind of stuff won't go over well (none / 0)

in Iowa. Along with the previous stories of accusing the guy askiing Iran questions of being a plant and then not taking questions at all at many of her events.

This kind of stuff just pisses people off.


by okamichan13 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:12:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This kind of stuff won't go over well (2.00 / 2)

I'm surprised this story is getting some legs to run and this could grow through the weekend.

What makes this stuff horrible is the fact that Clinton had previously accused an Iowan man of being a plant but now , we found out that she's the one using plants.

Rival candidates have to wonder whether the Clinton campaign aren't sending their plants to their townhall meeting.

Obama was asked some very unpleasant questions a few days ago.

The Clinton were previously trying to put out a mini fire about the waitress accusing them of not tipping her like they've stated and now this new fire just erupes on them.


by Prodigy on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:26:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This kind of stuff won't go over well (none / 0)

I think this is a stupid self inflicted wound, as Lori said, but there is a vast difference between having someone ask questions of you at your own event and sending people out to do it to another candidate.  I'm not saying that's what happened in the event you're talking about, but you shouldn't compare the two things.  They aren't the same at all.  All of the candidates get unpleasant questions - it's a fact of political life.  You shouldn't accuse Clinton folks (or anyone else) of sending out plants unless you have some evidence that they did.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:42:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

no biggie... (none / 0)

picture this...

big room -media aide - crowd - kid

the question was what do ya think about global warming -= they went to a kid in the room and said - hey kid - do ya worry about global warming - kid said yeah - aide said go over there by that mike and ask hillary about it -kid said ok - went over to mike and said- hey hillary your aide said i should ask what ya think about globl warming - room  laughs - hillary answers -

then..

SOME BLOGGERS SAY HILLARY IS GEORGE BUSH!

see how logical that is?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:08:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

IF SHE WINS THE STATE ITS ALL OVER (none / 0)

same thing tis true if edwaards wins...that would elect hillary too..but that may too tricky for ya to grasp...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:50:26 AM EST
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Crikey (none / 0)

It's not a right-wing 'plant,' the story is on the front page of the on-line Des Moines Register:


A Grinnell College student says an aide for Hillary Rodham Clinton gave her a prepared question to ask the presidential candidate during a forum this week in central Iowa.

Clinton staffers acknowledge the incident but claim Clinton did not know the question had been issued when the senator called on the student during a question-and-answer session with the audience.

[yada, yada, yada]

Student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff told the newspaper she was asked by a senior Clinton staffer to ask a question about global warming. Gallo-Chasanoff also said staffers prompted the senator to call on her.

A Clinton aide initially denied the claim in the story, but the campaign later told The Associated Press some parts were true.

The campaign maintains, however, that "Senator Clinton did not know which questioners she was calling on during the event."

Gallo-Chasanoff did not immediately return a message Friday night.

AP - 9 Nov 07

What's so complicated or sinister about that?  It juxtaposes harshly with the previous incident in Newton, to be sure, but it is just more bad news for Hillary's 'message discipline' and fall-out from the Drexel debate, isn't it?  And I notice the 'rapid response site' doesn't have a peep to say about it.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:12:25 AM EST

Re: Crikey (2.00 / 1)

You know the saying when it rains it pours.

Giggle.

Her campaign has had one disaster after another since the debate and this is just another one.

I just don't understand why the tactical and self inflicted mistakes all over a sudden , especially at the crucial point of the campaign . Its not particularly smart to be making mistakes at the end zone.

She is lucky this is coming on friday and there is a lot of things happening this weekend , and they have quickly admitted to the problem , so it will be blunted somewhat.

It's been  a tough couple of days since the debate and I am personally getting frustrated with a lot of these mistakes , these guys need to clean up their act and recognize this is no longer the pre season.

However I have to say that the opposition research of other candidates are really working overtime to put a lot of these stories out there , like the waitress story and this one , so you have to give credit for that.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:35:25 AM EST
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Re: Crikey (none / 0)

I don't disagree.  From my perspective the campaign really has just gotten started.  I wouldn't worry about it too much, Hillary will get her innings.  They have been accustomed to really controlling things and now they just need to get used to responding in a more chaotic environment.  The veil has been lifted on all the campaigns and now we will now see their true colours.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:48:38 AM EST
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Re: Crikey (none / 0)

Yeah , they have been flat footed in a lot of instances since the debate . They handled the whole post debate situation badly in my estimation , they lost control of the message and just kept compounding it with a lot of strategic mistakes , I hope this is the last one , its not an ideal time for the ship to hit an iceberg but its better than having it come in the last few days of the campaign.

The big dog should go back to fundraising till the campaign is over , I think she can win this on her own . He is being overused.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:01:22 AM EST
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Re: Crikey (none / 0)

Actually, Lori, I am no fan of Hillary's but I think she is not in such bad shape, really.  Think of it as a market correction when there has been some over-valuation, the asset still has a value which will stabilise the market.  And she's still market leader on value poll-wise.  The only ones who get burned are those who have gone long.  She'll be back in the fray tomorrow at 10% discount but stripped for action.

As for Bill, that's a tough one.  He is certainly putting in the effort and he is a brilliant thinker.  But some of what he has said seems to have pushed the envelope on the message discipline here and there.  My advice would be to tone down the recalibration of old issues and create some new ones.  Everyone is watching her every move at the moment.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:17:31 AM EST
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Re: Crikey (none / 0)

I think your last line, and a more hostile press environment, are the key. Campaigns make mistakes all the time, nobody notices most of them, when people do they are usually addressed and they move on. At this point the press is in a mood to take on Clinton with minor stories and the opposition campaigns are happy to oblige.

The important thing is how the campaign handles these attacks. So far I think they are doing fine, they do not appear to be overwhelmed or knocked off their game. These stories don't undermine the reasons people support her, so they are more a sign of the desperation of her opponents and the boredom of the press. Her soft support may become undecided briefly, but none of this helps her opponents make their case so she has little risk of permanently losing that support. She just has to keep making a substantive case for herself.


by souvarine on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:56:07 AM EST
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tha soo called dems aare trolling rightt wing (none / 0)

smear sites should piss any actual democrat off to the highest degree....

if it doesnt...

well, tthen ...theyre not a real democrat...

theyre one of tthem fancy "progressives"..

who are really just Dem leaning Independents..

who in truth, if they were honest, wouldnt even be allowed to voe in most state primaries...

fucking pinos...naderites...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 09:57:06 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

Hillary is clearly on the ropes but not down yet and this is where Obama or Edwards has to seize this great opportunity to finish her up.

Here's what i would do if i was Obama or Edwards: there's a big upcoming event tomorrow and one of them should "jokingly" blast Hillary before she gets to speak because she will definitely make a funny joke about it , everyone will laugh at it and she'll act like it's a done deal so it's very important to hit her with a devastating joke first.

If you're Hillary opponents , you want to keep this story going for at least one more day and make sure it completely sinks into the minds of Iowans.

This story has now hit every big media outlets including the Iowa press but Hillary is such a strong candidate that you should not pretend this would be enough to hurt her in Iowa.


by Prodigy on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:45:53 AM EST

I've Been Wanting Someone to Ask (2.00 / 1)

a question about Global Warming for 3 months now.

Bravo Clinton campaign!!!!!


by Edgar08 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 07:10:47 AM EST

Re: I've Been Wanting Someone to Ask (none / 0)

Now that's spin. I am giving you a 2 for the creativity.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:54:35 AM EST
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Well, I think it was a dumb mistake, (none / 0)

but I appreciate your point.  Hillary has not had many legitimate questions about her proposals.  The media basically ignored both her work/family initiative and her energy proposals, and instead stuck with gossip and an irrelevant campaign mistake.  I think Hillary should blog about her proposals.  Then atleast the press would pay attention.


by bookgrl on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:30:45 PM EST
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Re: Well, I think it was a dumb mistake, (none / 0)

This isn't the first time she has apprently used planted questions. So once is a mistake, more than once is a pattern.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:56:51 PM EST
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Not the first time (none / 0)

As I noted above, she was suspected of doing so at her Yearly Kos breakout session (at the time, NOT in retrospect). That is definitely NOT the crowd to try to hoodwink!


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:34:30 PM EST
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Is this a plant? (none / 0)

Setting aside that the following quote is a deliberate misrepresentation of another candidate's ideas, I find this disturbing:

A recent diarist at myDD wrote this looking to Pres. Reagan for inspiration and also claiming this to be his own idea:

My take: Hillary should say this: "I think Iowa caucus-goers would reject the notion that anyone over the age of 50 should be disqualified from serving in elected office" and as President Reagan once famously said "I am not going to use my opponent's youth and inexperience as a political issue".

After watching this story for a couple of days I also saw this at Fox News web site:

On the generational shot taken at Clinton, her spokesman, Phil Singer told FOX News: "I think Iowa caucus-goers would disagree with the idea that anyone over the age of 50 should be disqualified from serving in elected office."


by Satya on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:39:31 AM EST

Another reason (none / 0)

Hillary is has problem with trust. I can't believe Hillary was in on it, she has to have more respect for Iowa voters than that.

Her campaign, though, needs to quit treating Iowans like fly-over boobs. This question planting and the whole waitress non-tipping story is condescendingly stupid.


by alarabi7 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:01:31 PM EST

So coon-like of Clinton (none / 0)

This is much worse than that McClurkin non-story.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:12:37 PM EST

Re: So coon-like of Clinton (none / 0)

I admit I haven't seen all your posts but the ones I have seen are pointless, juvenile quips like this one.  You are an embarrassment to whichever campaign you happen to support.


by Satya on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:26:16 PM EST
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Re: So coon-like of Clinton (none / 0)

I'm not attached to any campaign. So if you think I'm an embarrassment to myself, so be it.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:42:49 PM EST
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coon-like (1.00 / 2)

coon-like


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:18:08 PM EST
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Heres the thing (2.00 / 3)

When Bush pays Iraqi journalists to write good things about our occupation those of us with scruples rightly call foul. When FEMA stages a fake news conference we all also rightly call foul. But somehow when the Hillary Clinton does the exact same thing we hear from her ardent supporters that there was no foul at all. And then they proceed to call the rest of us unintelligent ignoramuses.

The double standard applied by these Clinton supporters is almost too much. It is so close to the hard core Bush supporters actions that it is actually frightening. To think that this woman might become our nominee and actually become President is not a pleasant thought process at all. We have already been lied to for nearly 7 years by that ass Bush. We don't need 4 years of being lied to by someone similar that just happens to have the word Democrat attached to her name. Come to think of it, her husband knows a few things about lying to the American public himself. Perhaps Hillary thinks that her husband set a good example as President. After all, what is a little perjury among friends.

I used to back off when people accused Hillary Clinton of being corrupt. I was careful to say she was supporting a corrupt system. But after this event (which is not as isolated as her campaign states) I say with conviction that she is indeed a corrupt politician and she will bring our party and our nation down should she be elected. I am sure I will be criticized for these comments but I stand by them and I am absolutely certain that they are the truth. So fire away. It matters not to me. The blatant double standard that the Clinton supporters exude is proof enough for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:14:27 PM EST

Re: Heres the thing (none / 0)

But she's a fighter!!!


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:43:38 PM EST
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Re: Heres the thing (none / 0)

twas a energy rollout for youung uns... (none / 0)

picture this...

big room -media aide - crowd - kid

the question was what do ya think about global warming -= they went to a kid in the room and said - hey kid - do ya worry about global warming - kid said yeah - aide said go over there by that mike and ask hillary about it -kid said ok - went over to mike and said- hey hillary your aide said i should ask what ya think about globl warming - room  laughs - hillary answers -

then..

SOME BLOGGERS SAY HILLARY IS GEORGE BUSH!

see how logical that is?

as to your above - tgthakss for tthe new tag -

I say with conviction that she is indeed a corrupt politician and she will bring our party and our nation down should she be elected.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:26:06 PM EST
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Re: Heres the thing (none / 0)

I am honored that you have chosen to adopt my quote. Good to see that you agree with me. Maybe we can find some way to work together after all.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 06:56:30 PM EST
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not likely (none / 0)

i hate NADER


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 07:30:01 PM EST
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Re: Heres the thing (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton would make an improvement over George Bush, that much is certain.  However, as Bush is IMHO the worst president in the history of our Republic, I will plead guilty to damning with faint praise with regards to the junior Senator from New York.  

In our two-party system, a lot of voters, a majority perhaps, have to settle in a general election.  However, in primaries, settling is not nearly as necessary.  It is far more likely that there will be at least one candidate, from either party, who can truly inspire the support of a given voter.  Ron Paul, to use him purely as an example, will never get the Republican nomination, but he has a vocal and surprisingly lucrative niche; those who support a broad rollback of all federal functions.  It is probable that the Libertarian-leaners whom Paul currently attracts will, as well, "settle" for whomever the GOP does nominate.  

For right now, though, I will not settle for a candidate who refuses to committ to a Iraq withdrawal timetable, accepts lobbyist money, or supports "free trade" (like the Peru deal).

For right now, I do not have to.


The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.
by CLLGADEM on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 07:06:16 PM EST
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Enough plants for a gardent (2.00 / 1)

more are coming out now:

http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11 10/another-question-planted-by-team-hil lary


by okamichan13 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:19:00 PM EST

if Mark Penn would plant enough real trees (none / 0)


i'd give him a pass.
by pmb on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 06:14:40 PM EST

Clinton Plantation: No Plant Left Behind (none / 0)

lol


by pmb on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 07:21:47 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught (none / 0)

How embarrassing for Hillary.


by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:28:46 PM EST

Re: I think I saw this on The Simpsons (none / 0)

Advisor: Little girl, do you think you can memorize this by dinnertime tomorrow?

Lisa: '`Mrs. Clinton: your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train.  Why are you so popular?''


by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 10:33:50 PM EST

Yep (none / 0)

If you have to use Fox News as the primary source for anything it basically loses all credibility.


by Christopher Lib on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 12:42:12 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Gets Caught Planting Question (none / 0)

what about ABC News, CNN etc- did you stop reading after that too?


by bruh21 on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 02:34:59 PM EST


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