New Insight on Attacking Iran

It always pays to go argue with people, to exit the city and hang out in towns where Republicans tend to breed.  In a cafe in Manchester, NH, a friend uncovered the mindset of the poor dupes who want us to attack Iran.  She was wearing her impeach Bush-Cheney sticker when a few young males started in on her, which is interesting because she being about 5'3" always seems to draw fire of this sort, whereas I wear my sticker everywhere but, benching 300, guys seem to hold their tongues, and I am actually looking for these "loud discussions" whereas she is not.  Lesson number one: the Brownshirt mentality is cowardly.  I can't count the number of times women who wear impeachment stickers tell me they get it constantly, and here I am lonely and no one wants to talk about what I want to talk about, except beefy union-looking dudes who walk over with their hands outstretched saying F-ing A!  Impeach!

Cutting to the chase, these people have bought the Amadinajed-as-Hitler line hook-line-and-sinker.  Friend reports that the most heated arguer was "invoking the death camps in Germany & a friend of his telling me that if I didn't want a war with Iran, I was spitting on his grandmother's grave."

I wonder if Amadinajed knows how perfectly his remarks on Israel, meant to bolster his standing among Middle East hardliners, have played into Bush's set-up of Iran as the new Nazi Germany?  This is a guy who gets booed at his own Iranian University.  His support in Iran is zilch.

This is a valuable insight.  If the Iranians were smart they would dump him, for stupidity.  No one says they can't stand up to the United States, but a good politician should have a clue about how different people think and know how to weigh their words, a skill neither Bush nor Amadinajed have.  We're following two idiots over a cliff.  This was an impassioned argument in that cafe.  No sneers about turning the Middle East into a parking lot or to hell with them all.  These guys really, truly believed this Hitler shit.  I feel sorry for them, and think I understand now.

If Bush bombs Iran, it will be based on a false flag attack against us.  He will eventually be impeached or run out of office, because the retaliatory terror attacks right here are guaranteed.  Iran is no Iraq.  I would just prefer to avoid the round of civilian casualties, domestic attacks, martial law, social unrest, Americans fighting Americans, and eventual restoration of the republic that we will have to go through, and all the attendant grieving, because of the media's decision to go along with Bush's set-up uncritically.  It would be beyond what our national soul could bear, to bomb Iran after what we did to them in 1953.

Can we save ourselves all this grief and just impeach them now?  

Chart with contact links to the major campaign contributors of all members of the House Judiciary Committee, where the impeachment of Cheney is now bottled up.  Beg, please not another dime until they do their duty to impeach.



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An attack on Iran is most likely to come from Israel, which faces a far greater risk of a nuclear Iran than we do. We will absolutely support such a strike and have Israel's back.

At some point, Americans have got to stop believing that because we screwed up Iraq, Iran is not a threat. This is asinine, infantile naivete.

And people like Barack Obama should recognize the efforts Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and others in the Muslim World have made to isolate Iran over its nuclear program, how hard they are trying to break the Iranian/Syrian nexxus and protect a Lebanese Democracy, and how when he says he would meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions he is undercutting the exact same efforts he says need to be made to avoid this problem.


"What do Barack Obama and David Koresh have in common? Too god damn much."
by ThinkingDem on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 05:30:55 PM EST

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I do not view Iran as a threat.  Even after we screwed them horribly during the Shah's 20 year reign, they didn't hate Americans but only the American government.  These are a classy people.  The Shah's preferred method of torture was to force boiling water up dissidents' rectum.  He was one of the worst human rights violators ever, anywhere, and we put him in power in the 1953 coup of the honest, incorruptible Mossadeq.

If a nuke comes our way it will be from Pakistan, where Bush plays footsie with the guy who helps him keep the Let's Find Bin Laden Show going, which would have been over long ago if they had wanted it to be.


by ralphlopez on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 06:37:52 PM EST
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I am sure Ahmadinejad knows exactly how his words come across.  He's all in favor, because the only prestige he has is his role as the enemy of the even more unpopular Bush.  So anything that gets Bush to brand him the enemy is good for business.

The problem is that hardliners beget hardliners.  When a superpower is threatening to attack you, the instinct is not to elect some total wimp who will appease them, the instinct is to elect some tough guy who will tell them to buzz off.  They'd have no interest in electing a clown like Ahmadinejad if we weren't constantly rattling the sabers over here.

The mistake our wingnuts have made is in personalizing this discussion around Ahmadinejad.  He's not a dictator-for-life like Saddam, he's as you say, a powerless poser whose day will pass.  Once we don't have Ahmadinejad to kick around any more, the neocons are going to have a really tough time persuading people that Iran is still this dire threat.  The irony being, it will be the same mullahs running the show then as it is today!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 05:41:48 PM EST


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