Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally

The narratives are changing in Iowa for the Republicans:

Romney     28 percent
Huckabee   24 percent
Thompson   15 percent
Giuliani   13 percent
McCain      6 percent
A Giuliani 3rd place finish would make him still viable.

Nationally, the problems that Clinton has been having in Iowa, where she's slipped, are now becoming evident nationally:

Clinton    38 percent (46)
Obama      27 percent (25)
Edwards    13 percent  (9)
Both Obama and Edwards have shown a bit of gains, but it's mostly been movement away from the coronation to the possibility of seeing a real race (emphasis on possibility).

In other news, Clinton's throw-down of Obama over experience, and Obama's comeback was pretty intense:

"Voters will have to judge if living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next president will face," Clinton said Tuesday. "I think we need a president with more experience than that, someone the rest of the world knows, looks up to and has confidence in." Obama's retort: "I was wondering which world leader told her that we needed to invade Iraq."
Have a great thanksgiving weekend everyone, rest up for the next few months.



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Obama Relaunch (none / 0)

Good article in the New Yorker on the Obama relaunch. The Political Scene

It's working...


by JoeCoaster on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:05:16 AM EST

Unconventional .... (none / 0)

The key point Obama makes about foreign policy also applies to everything America faces.

"I think Hillary is committed to a much more conventional approach," Obama said. "I believe that we face unconventional threats, and that is going to require a level of personal Presidential diplomacy that can repair the damage that's been done by George Bush. I think that means the President being involved in talking directly to our enemies, and not just our friends, and being less worried about the conventions of, you know, who we meet with, and what level envoys are sent, and so forth.


by JoeCoaster on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:08:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Try something different.... (none / 0)

Obama:

"I've been an observer of politics for two and a half decades, and what I've seen is that Democrats have not been able to move their agenda through Washington," he said. "They have not been able to get the American people to embrace their domestic agenda, and they have been constantly on the defensive when it comes to their foreign-policy agenda. And it seems to me that, you know, if you're not getting the outcomes you want, you might want to try something different."


by JoeCoaster on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:11:25 AM EST
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Re: Try something different.... (none / 0)

YES!  Does anyone else find it so refreshing that he says what people need to hear?


by bluedavid on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:58:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama Relaunch (none / 0)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/21/opinio n/21dowd.html?em&ex=1195794000&e n=82e8a02ea885db37&ei=5087%0A

This cracked me up... and it raises an excellent point...


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:19:01 PM EST
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Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

The smart money still has to be on Hillary, but things are more promising than a month ago. All you can really ask for are positive trends, and that's what we're seeing.

Obama finally realized that going at Hillary--intelligently--is actually a cost-free endeavor despite Team Clinton's "what happened to the politics of hope?" gimmick.

Moreover, her poll slippage now necessitates that she engage Obama, giving him any necessary cover when he hits her back...hard!


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by General Sherman on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:13:42 AM EST

Obama isn't surging nationally (2.00 / 1)

So much as Hillary is falling.


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by clarkent on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:21:50 AM EST

Re: Obama isn't surging nationally (none / 0)

Clinton has picked up 8 points in the Rasmussen daily poll in the last two days.  She has an average 22 point lead according to Pollster, and 20 point lead according to Real Clear Politics.  Unless I see some further evidence, I'll consider this Zogby poll an outlier.  


by markjay on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:28:12 AM EST
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Re: Obama isn't surging nationally (2.00 / 1)

Well Clinton's team is concerned.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:32:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama isn't surging nationally (none / 0)

Good, glad to hear it.


by desmoulins on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:39:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama isn't surging nationally (none / 0)

Falling as fast as she role ....


by TheDonald on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:10:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama isn't surging nationally (none / 0)

Well it shows some of those huge numbers the Hillary people have been crooning about were what ALL the rest of us have been saying... very soft support.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

As a very smart person said in theprevious thread: (none / 0)

Beating Hillary would be one of the most significant developments in the Democratic Party since McCarthy.


by aiko on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:25:47 AM EST

I expect better from you Jerome (none / 0)

Do you have Chris Matthews disease, which causes the afflicted to ignore other recent polling and focus only on one poll?

I don't think you do.

I am sure you have seen the two other recent polls that have seen the 9 other November polls that suggest the race has changed much, if at all.

Pollster:

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php

The Chrissy Matthews types may want to take a lesson on reading polls from Stu Rothenberg:

"For years, Independent political analysts have been warning about reporters' tendencies to compare polls conducted by different polling firms, to over-interpret small changes in poll results and to treat the results of the most recent survey as if they are etched into stone."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/1 1/20/two_networks_flop_in_reporting_on_n ew_poll.html


by dpANDREWS on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:34:05 AM EST

Re: I expect better from you Jerome (none / 0)

Waah... Someone else cherry picked a poll besides me  to paint my candidate in a bad light...waah.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:21:20 PM EST
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Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Jerome, I disagree with the analysis on national polls.  That one seems to be an errant one rather than an indication.

Consider that in the last week we have seen a total of 6 national polls released.

I list here the 5 non-Zogby polls we have seen:

Saturday:

Foxnews - 21% Clinton lead, represented a 4% Clinton surge from the previous Fox poll, in which Clinton's lead was 1%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/1115 07_release_web.pdf

Sunday:

Latest Gallup poll:

shows a massive 27% lead.  No change from the previous 2 months.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102799/Clinto n-Sustains-Huge-Lead-Democratic-Nominati on-Race.aspx

Monday:

Harris Interactive National poll:

Clinton 52%, Obama 29%, Edwards 11%

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_ poll/index.asp?PID=836

Tuesday:

Rasmussen tracking data:

Clinton 43%, Obama 20%, Edwards 14%

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presid ential_election/daily_presidential_track ing_poll

Tuesday:

AP national poll:

Clinton 48, Obama 22, Edwards 13, Undecided 12

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AjzT56DuLmM _j.MbEd4GabB0KY54/SIG=12cgsimjn/**http%3 A/l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/nws/gr/ap _yahoo_poll_nov_topline.pdf

Over the last few days no less than 5 national polls have been released showing Obama flat and Clinton either sustaining huge leads or surging from previous polling conducted by the same outfit.  Yet, based on the Zogby poll you declare that Obama is surging nationally?   I wonder why you did not then look at yesterday's AP poll and declare Clinton to be "surging back to 50%"?   Or the Harris Interactive poll, which actually did show Clinton at 52%.   These are not old polls, Jerome.  They are current and just as valid as the Zogby poll to make any type of assessment of movements one way or another.

I guess it is now the trendy thing to jump on every one poll and make declarations of massive movement based on that one data point rather than look at the evidence in its entirety, and consider other polls which have been in the field at the same time as well.  

Latest SC poll, btw.:

http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/11/19/ new-sc-presidential-poll

DEMOCRATS:

Hillary Clinton - 40%
Barack Obama - 21%
John Edwards - 13%

Mitt Romney now interestingly taking the lead in SC for the first time:

REPUBLICANS:

Mitt Romney - 20%
Rudy Giuliani - 19%
John McCain - 17%
Fred Thompson - 13%
Mike Huckabee - 8%


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:45:09 AM EST

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

oops, here is the SC poll:

http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/11/19/ new-sc-presidential-poll/


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:47:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

error correction:

Foxnews - 21% Clinton lead, represented a 4% Clinton surge from the previous Fox poll, in which Clinton's lead was 17%.


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:48:51 AM EST
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Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

You are ignoring the facts:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/us/democratic_presidentia l_nomination-191.html

Fact is in October she was seeing, upper 20s and 30 point leads and is now seeing point spreads of 11 and 17.

That is quite a drop.


by aiko on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:00:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

No, you are not factual.  That Rasmussen rolling average number at the top will be changed to 24% (from 17%) today based on yesterday's Rasmussen update.   The other data points are all either improvements over previous polling or no change (Gallup's 27% lead.)  Even the Cook 17% showing was an improvement for Clinton over Cook's previous 14% margin shown.

Bottom line is that that 11% Zogby appears to be a gross outlier.  We will see in the next few days, obviously.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:10:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

and the chart of poll averages, the one that shows a decline from 48 points in Oct. to 42 percent today.

That represents all the polls--a running average of all polls, combined and averaged.  It includes outliers --high and low--

That 6 point drop over the past month. That doesn't exist either?


by aiko on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:17:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Show a single Clinton supporter who claimed that the 30% leads were sustainable in the long run, please.

 I think the Gallup poll (27% lead) is the high mark now and polls showing around 20% is at the lower end of the spectrum.   Rasmussen's 2-day rolling averages have the race now at 24% margin as of yesterday.  Later today it will probably be thereabouts again, maybe 21%, 22%, perhaps 25%.  That is the range where the race is at the moment (from about 20% to 27%.)   This Zogby poll looks to be an outlier.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:29:10 AM EST
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Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Well, the Ras. tracking is out now:


Hillary Clinton still holds a commanding lead in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Clinton attracts 41% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters nationwide while Barack Obama earns the vote from 17%. John Edwards is the choice for 14%.

Looks like a 24% margin once again for Clinton over Obama.  

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presid ential_election/daily_presidential_track ing_poll

We are to believe that EVERY poll that shows the race at 24%, 26%, 22% margins is simply wrong, but this one Zogby poll is the right one, the only one to look at?   Seems preposterous to me, but knock yourself out.


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:38:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

you have a funny way of agreeing with the fact that she is experiencing a significant and real downward trend.


by aiko on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:52:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

You have a funny way of trying to make huge 20%+ margins look good for your candidate.  20%, 23%, 25%, what exactly is the difference?   Anything above 10% is considered blowout territory.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:08:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Common wisdom among Obama supporters is that the national polls are meaningless--that Iowa is really important and that the Iowa winner will likely pick up a 15 point bump in the NH polls.

So in Iowa we are leading/tied. Good news.

In NH we are down by 13 (average). Iowa win will lead to likely NH win.

Nationally, doesn't matter but we are glad to see a downward trend suggesting possibly that she has peaked!

Good media narrative!


by aiko on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:22:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Nah, Zogby's poll usually does not lead to much media narrative.  The same is true for ARG polls.   Gallup, AP and Harris are probably the bigger draws for media outlets, and all 3 have shown Clinton very, very strong over the last few days.  Add Rasmussen showing Obama dropping to 17% today, 24% behind Clinton (confirming yesterday's 24% margin) and you don't have much of a narrative at all.  

State polling shows Clinton ahead in Iowa, and NH polling stabilized and the margin at 16.7%.

http://www.pollster.com/08-NH-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php

Even if it were a closer picture in NH, you can't assume poll movements that large in this one, even if Clinton were to lose Iowa in a close race. Her support in NH is much too solid for that.  Obama and Edwards' support is actually soft in that state.  A few points I can see, sure.  

Look at it this way, the day before Thanksgiving:

Had anyone told me in April, July, August, September, that the day before Turkey Day Clinton would be ahead of Obama nationally by 20%+ margins, led in New Hamspire by 16.7%, actually LED in Iowa by 3.3%, led in South Carolina by 16.6%, Nevada by 24%, Florida by 27%, I would have not believed it.   These numbers and aggregate leads look good to me.


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:09:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Huckabee's surging faster than I thought he would. He still has a few basic problems:


  1. Too many enemies: it's not good when the anti-taxers and the anti-immigrant crowds both appear to hate you. Here's where a real, serious beltway establishment endorsement could help him. These groups have enough clout to prevent him from winning Iowa and from winning the nomination.
  2. Not enough money: Huckabee, despite recent improvements, is still drastically underfunded compared to his main competitors. Hell, even Ron Paul will probably raise $12M in the fourth  quarter. Huckabee will be pleased to get to $5M or $6M. Ultimately, at this stage, the importance of money is that it allows you to fight off the negative attack ads that take center stage at this final phase of the nomination fight. Without more money, he's just going to get mugged by negative TV ads from Romney, Thompson, the Club for Growth, and others.
  3. Gaffes: Candidates who survive off of positive earned media and word-of-mouth buzz do so by being quotable and pushing the rhetorical envelope. More quote-worthy commentary correlates with more gaffes, and so these candidates tend to self-destruct near the end. Huckabee isn't particularly gaffe-prone, but still he's come close to gaff-ing in the past, and with the pressure building and his instinct for the quick quip and witty repartee, his verbal risk factor is building.


by blueflorida on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:52:58 AM EST

I don't think he's gaffe-prone (none / 0)

and the moneyed interests in the GOP can't seem to agree on a candidate this year.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 05:04:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

it will be interesting to see if republicans can actually get behind someone who seems to be, basically, a nice guy.  after darth cheney, are repubs ready to move away from the gloom and doom?


by bluedavid on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:05:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Don't mess with georgep when it comes to polls!!!


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by General Sherman on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:53:04 AM EST

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Well, look at the data I provided and show me where the declaration of an Obama surge is factual.  Yesterday's AP poll shows the opposite picture.  Yesterday's Rasmussen data shows a Clinton surge instead.  Harris, Gallup, Fox all show Clinton doing well and Obama mostly flat or falling.

  I guess the next poll to come out and showing Clinton leading by more than 20% (there will probably be several) I should just declare that Obama has collapsed and Clinton has surged, based on making the Zogby poll the starting point then?   At the very least Jerome should have pointed out that this Zogby poll could be an outlier and needs confirmation from future polls, since it is so contradictory from all the other polling data we have currently available.


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:05:41 AM EST
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Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (1.66 / 3)

Yeah, because it's all he cares about.


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by clarkent on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:07:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (1.00 / 1)

I had to TR that ridiculous comment, clark.  You are not even being factual here.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:12:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Clinton's numbers are also dropping in state poll's from a month previously. (see below Rasmussen's polling on Florida)

Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, and McCain all lead Hillary Clinton in the race for Florida's 27 Electoral College Votes. This marks a reversal from an earlier survey when Clinton had the advantage. It remains unclear which conservative candidate will emerge as the primary challenger to Rudy Giuliani.


by BDM on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:40:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Clinton's numbers vs. Obama and Edwards in Florida dropping?   You don't make sense.  The opposite is true.  She is improving her numbers over previous polling data seen, which I thought was basically impossible (given the strong leads she already had here):

http://www.pollster.com/08-FL-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php

Her lead over Obama in the aggregate is now almost 27%.

BTW, today's SC poll showing a 19% Clinton lead has to be considered very bad news for Obama, right?   Oh, I forgot.  The theme is:  Nationally Clinton is no longer showing 30% margins, so she is collapsing at 22% margins.   To stay with that theme, Obama doing poorly in South Carolina must not be discussed.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:50:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton's numbers in Fl. (none / 0)

And there is even better news for Republicans in the latest poll from Scott Rasmussen in Florida.

PRESIDENT - FLORIDA
Rudy Giuliani (R) 46%
Hillary (D) 41%

Fred Thompson (R) 47%
Hillary (D) 38%

Mitt Romney (R) 46%
Hillary (D) 39%

John McCain (R) 48%
Hillary (D) 38%

A month ago Clinton was leading in Fl.


by BDM on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:00:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton's numbers in Fl. (none / 0)

We are discussing polling as it relates to the NOMINATION.  Polling data comparing results for Clinton with Obama's, Edwards', Richardson's, etc.   Whatever you are talking about here is not related to the horserace numbers discussion in this diary.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:04:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton's numbers in Fl. (none / 0)

Thanks to the DNC for disenfranchising Florida voters and preventing any Democratic candidate from having any campaign presence in Florida.

That giant sucking sound you hear is Florida's 27 Electoral College votes going down the drain.

Now, you know why I was so furious at blackmailing the candidates to stay out of Florida.

Bill Clinton couldn't even accept an invite to the Florida Democratic Party convention last month.

The Democratic Party has shot itself in the foot.


by hwc on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:26:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She loses to everyone (none / 0)

geez even Romney!


by okamichan13 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:09:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton's numbers in Fl. (none / 0)

florida is such a weird state.  i just don't get it...


by bluedavid on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:07:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Rasmussen's latest poll in SC out today showed:

Clinton 43
Obama 33
Edwards 11

10 pt margin vs a 13 pt margin a month ago.


by BDM on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:03:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Just shows how petty you are. All you ever talk about is polling.


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by clarkent on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:23:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (1.25 / 4)

No, your comment shows how petty (and generally non-substantive) you are.  


by georgep on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:26:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (1.60 / 5)

Correction. All you ever do is talk about polling and complain about the behavior of commenters not supporting Hillary.


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by clarkent on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:44:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But not all polling ... (none / 0)

... only polls or aspects of polls that sound like or can be spun as good news for Senator Clinton.


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by BruceMcF on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 09:57:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

a 2 point uptick is a surge?


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by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:08:13 AM EST

to me, it seems that (none / 0)

There enough here for we Obama supporters to hope, but you just have to look at the Republican changes up and down over the last 6 months to see what real "surges" look like.  Hillary Clinton has to still be strongly favored, but Obama is not out.  


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by John DE on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:09:17 AM EST

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Have a great thanksgiving weekend everyone, rest up for the next few months.

Indeed. Happy Thanksgiving to you too.


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by misscee on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:14:47 AM EST

I think we have a race, but Zogby? (none / 0)

It's clearly not like a month or so ago when Hillary looked like she would runaway with it, but Nationally if it's closing it's not by that much according to polls throughout November. The RCP Average is still a 20 point lead for her, even factoring in this Zogby poll. And sorry, Zogby is not the best polling source around. The opening any of her opponents have is going to have to come from Iowa, the only state she doesn't have more than a 10 point lead in.


by Christopher Lib on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:47:50 AM EST

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (2.00 / 1)

Happy thanksgiving everybody, even Hillarybots ----lol-    it's going to be a brutal 6 weeks to the finish so lts try to keep it from getting really ugly! I'll try to tone down some of the rhetoric a little, I hope others follow suit.


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by nevadadem on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:53:14 PM EST

Re: Huckabee surging in Iowa; Obama nationally (none / 0)

Happy thanksgiving everybody, even Hillarybots ----lol-

- If thats your idea of toning down the rhetoric , then I can only hold my breath to see whats coming next lol


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by lori on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:29:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

....Lori (none / 0)

I'm a natural wise ass, all the best to you and yours, now we can spin family members on our candidates instead of engaging in the endless preaching to converted that we all do on here.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:40:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ....Lori (none / 0)

Yeah I wish you the same .


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by lori on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:51:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

huh if it's snark it didn't work (none / 0)

oh btw, I see Obambo does not celebrate thanksgiving.. anyone hear why??


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:42:08 PM EST

Huckabee's scary past statements (none / 0)

One of the reasons I worry so much about the guy is that he keeps his wingnut views below the radar much of the time. Here's a fact sheet I just got from the National Jewish Democratic Council:

Dangerous Dark Horse:

HUCKABEE'S EXTREMISM

Huckabee indicated that he does not believe in evolution during a GOP primary debate.  Watch the YouTube clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd 5E

[5/3/07]

Huckabee said it is imperative to "take this nation back for Christ."  [ Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 6/8/98]

Huckabee said that most prisoners would love to be in a jail like Guantanamo Bay .    Said the former Governor: "Most of our prisoners would love to be in a facility more like Guantanamo and less like the state prisons that people are in in the United States ." [ThinkProgress 6/7/07]

Huckabee called legal abortion a "holocaust."  Huckabee told the Family Research Council: "It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973."  [CNN, 10/21/07]

Prior to leaving office, Huckabee had online gift registries allowing lobbyists to know exactly which gifts to buy him in order to curry influence.  In response a former Arkansas state government official was quoted as saying: "He's using the trappings of the governor's office to get everything he can, and the sad part of it is, I honestly believe he does not see anything wrong with this,"  [Arkansas News Bureau, 11/13/06]

Huckabee falsely claimed that most of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence were clergymen.  In fact, only one of 56 was indeed a clergyman.  Huckabee said: "The signers of the Declaration of Independence were `brave people, most of whom, by the way, were clergymen.'" Per the St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly's website PoliFact, only John Witherspoon was a clergyman. [PolitFact.com, 10/21/07]

On Huckabee's campaign website, he says that religion "drives" his decisions and that he does not separate religion from his professional life.   Additionally, Huckabee pledges on his website that, as President, he would "staff all relevant positions with pro-life appointees."  Huckabee also says that his efforts in Arkansas to infringe on a woman's right to choose "are the accomplishments that give him the most pride and personal satisfaction."

And, some creepy one-liners from Governor Huckabee:

Huckabee "joked" that he lost weight because Democrats put him in a concentration camp.  "I have just come from six weeks at a concentration camp held by the Democrat party of Arkansas in an undisclosed location, making a hostage tape. That's why I look that way," he said. [ Arkansas Times, 10/6/06]

Huckabee said that only Baptists go to Heaven.  "I love to tell the story of the lady who asked me in my early political life if it was true that I was a Baptist minister, and I said, `Yes, ma'am, that is true.' She said, `Well, let me ask you, are you one of those narrow-minded Baptists who think only Baptists go to heaven?' I said, `No, ma'am, actually I'm more narrow than that; I don't think all of the Baptists are going to make it.'" [Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, 6/6/07]


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 05:17:04 PM EST

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he reminds of old-school dixiecrats.  ok on bread&butter issues, CrAzY on the social side...


by bluedavid on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:11:34 PM EST
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Re: Huckabee's scary past statements (none / 0)

HUCKABEE SCARY... We need to start worrying about this guy and sink him FAST.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:22:33 PM EST
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