Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillary

the President of Aetna likes Hillary's plan the best.

Aetna is a jumbo health insurance company with over 25$ Billion in Revenue in 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetna

What's astonishing is the President of Aetna either has no idea what the various healthplans say OR he knows Hillary is his girl and all her proposals are just talk.

http://www.charlotte.com/business/story/ 372025.html

Q. Which candidate's reform proposal do you most like?

Sen. Hillary Clinton's is probably the most moderate. ... She is calling for what we refer to as a public-private partnership. ... (Former Sen. John) Edwards has made no secret that it's insurance companies that are a problem for health care costs. (Sen. Barack) Obama is probably closer to him than he is to Sen. Clinton.

it's pretty clear he has no idea what the plans say

UPDATE

may I ad the President of Aetna has contributed to Lieberman and Nancy Johnson multiple times as well as Chris Dodd (the CT contingent where Aetna is) and Hillary Clinton.

he also maxes out each year to the Aetna PAC



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again (none / 0)

I again kindly remind you: Edwards needs to be Clinton alternative, there's no need to burn bridges.

There is no permanent enemies or friends in politics. Have you noticed the changing tone of Edwards campaign? I certainly hope you're smart enough to follow suit...


by prisonbreak on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:09:43 PM EST

his tone has change a tiny bit (none / 0)

because he realizes correctly that Hillary is going to have to go negative against Obama and Obama will return fire.

but it is surprising that even ben smith realizes Edwards' plan is much more similar to Hillary's yet either the president of Aetna doesn't know it or trusts hillary  more


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:19:45 PM EST
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Re: his tone has change a tiny bit (2.00 / 1)

I can assure you its going to hurt her when voters concerned with health care, especially nurses and health care workers, learn that the head of Aetna said her plan was "the most moderate."


by desmoulins on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:22:11 PM EST
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Arseyouready... (2.00 / 1)

same low-info hackery...different name.


The bold progressive leader is the most electable candidate. Reclaim the Democratic Party! Support John Edwards.
by Michael 4 Edwards on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:22:02 PM EST
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She is most definitely (2.00 / 1)

'their girl.'


by CarolinaNumber23 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:22:11 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance (2.00 / 2)

Wow!! That tells me all I need to know, in case I didn't already know it!!


by RDemocrat on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:35:02 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

I think it's actually a very interesting interview that raises a lot of issues, but I sorta get the feeling this might not be the diary where a serious policy discussion breaks out.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:40:19 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

What's interesting is that the guy wasn't asked which of the Democratic plans he liked best, he was asked which of the candidates he liked, period.

Look at his response to the next question.

Q. What about the Republicans?

(Former Massachusetts Gov.) Mitt Romney? You wouldn't know he was involved in the Massachusetts reform effort at all. (Former New York City Mayor) Rudy Giuliani has some interesting points of view, but it's more of `Let's tinker with the current system.' We think more than that has to happen.

We're very much for an individual mandate for all citizens. Everyone should be required to have health insurance. We're very much for expansion of Medicaid and the (State Children's Health Insurance Program). ... We are very much for tax incentives, both for individuals and for corporations.

You can almost hear these guys salivating over the prospect of all the new business.  They love the individual mandate idea.  Hey, if it turns out that's what it takes to make reform politically doable, I might love it too.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:00:23 PM EST
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Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

Question: "Which candidate's reform proposal do you most like?"

I think it's pretty clear he was asked about the candidate's plans, not the candidates.

Saying one plan is better than another is not an endorsement.

This diary is pathetic.


by jfashwell on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:14:19 PM EST
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Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

<>I think it's actually a very interesting interview that raises a lot of issues, but I sorta get the feeling this might not be the diary where a serious policy discussion breaks out.<>Ya think?   You know, there's a coterie of about half a dozen Hillaryphobes who, if Hillary walked on water, would manage to write a diary trumpeting "Hillary Can't Swim."  You have to squint hard all the time to find such consistently distorted and/or extreme interpretations.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:56:54 PM EST
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John Edwards (none / 0)

Per CNN:


Can I honestly tell you I spend not a nanosecond listening to what each of them are saying sniping toward each other, so I have no idea what you're talking about."

-- John Edwards, quoted by CNN, on Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama criticizing each other.

This little game of being 'positive'/'negative' is actually quite amusing. But I like how Clinton mixed up with Obama.


by prisonbreak on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:42:37 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

how much has aetna given contribution wise?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 12:56:37 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (2.00 / 1)

More double talk? Is Clinton telling them one thing and us another?


by benny06 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:49:38 PM EST

Sadly even double-talk is being distorted... (none / 0)

Isn't the definition of double-talk, the saying of two contrary things?

And lest mine eyes deceive me there is not even one quote from Hillary Clinton here. It's not even an endorsement-- which makes this so silly.

Here's the more accurate headline:

HEALTHCARE CEO USES ADJECTIVE TO DESCRIBE HILLARY'S PLAN.

duhn-duhn-duhn. They must all be on the same boat!


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:32:27 PM EST
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Where's the endorsement? n/t (none / 0)


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:33:49 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (2.00 / 2)

Ezra Klein has a great commentary on this interview:

I wouldn't take too seriously the idea that Mark Bertolini, President of Aetna, actually doesn't know what he's talking about. Rather, the reason he's calling Hillary Clinton's plan moderate and Obama and Edwards' plans less so is because he's trying to curry favor with Clinton, assuming that she will be the nominee and it will be her office with whom his company will need to negotiate. It's a gamble, and it may be a winning one. Aetna sees, in all of the Democratic plans, an opportunity for profit -- for the government to subsidize 47 million new customers. And they're right! The question is whether they can make these plans nothing but an opportunity for profit, whether they can rob them of the weak cost control mechanisms currently proposed, and erase the public insurer that can serve as a pressure agent on the private insurance system.

For evidence of their hoped-for future, look further into the interview, where the Aetna executive waxes rhapsodic over ending state mandates, and inadvertently explains everything that's wrong with the private insurance system. End coverage mandates, the interviewer asks, and the cheaper policies won't cover as much, right? "It's not the same coverage," says Bertolini, "but all the benefits in the Connecticut policy may not be things that I necessarily need. ... As an individual, why would I want to pay for coverage for Gaucher's disease?"

I don't know, maybe because you might have Gaucher's disease. Aetna doesn't want to pay for expensive diseases like Gaucher's, so it's trying to convince folks that they don't need the coverage. But what health coverage is supposed to do is defray the costs of treatment for rare, costly diseases. It's not supposed to excise such ailments from the coverage rolls so private insurers can be more profitable. That's why Hillary, and all the other Democrats, mandate minimum benefit levels for private insurers, and force community rating to boot. Those regulations -- which would force coverage of diseases like Gaucher's and force the insurers to cover patients with such illnesses -- are what Aetna will try and convince Clinton, or any Democrat, to excise from their plan. The question is whether they'll succeed. By lavishly complimenting Clinton now, Bertolini is hoping to better his odds when that negotiations finally comes.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:47:33 PM EST

why even have the "negotiation" (none / 0)


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:54:31 PM EST
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Re: why even have the "negotiation" (2.00 / 3)

Because, alas, the political process still continues after the election.  We're not going to be electing an emperor who can just make things happen by fiat.

Look, we could have an awesome progressive President and 60 Democrats in the Senate, and neither you nor I will be getting our wishlist fulfilled even so.  Heck, even in that scenario, the best policy (single-payer) would still be a non-starter!

You have to think some about the process by which President Edwards, or whoever, would actually go about getting his policies implemented into law.  It's not like you win, there's a magical mandate, and suddenly Congress is taking dictation from you.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:04:02 PM EST
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Re: why even have the "negotiation" (none / 0)

A-FUCKING-MEN.


by world dictator on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:57:40 PM EST
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Process-oriented (none / 0)

Actually that's what appeals to me so much more about Obama and Edwards.  They're process-oriented and realize that crafting health care legislation in Congress is going to require curbing the influence of federal lobbyists dramatically.  It just will.  There's no question.


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:31:17 PM EST
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Re: Process-oriented (none / 0)

Okay, but how do you drastically curb the influence of federal lobbyists?

By electing a president who doesn't take donations from federal lobbyists?  Let's try to be more real than that.

Surely none of the candidates plan to spend their first couple years fighting to push lobbying reform through the Congress (and believe me, if Congress were itching to pass the real reforms you and I both want, it would have happened already!)... just so they can THEN pass universal health care, right?

I really don't understand the vision here.  Just as universal health care doesn't automatically happen because we elect a progressive, lobbying reform doesn't happen just because we elect someone who doesn't like lobbyists.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:41:38 PM EST
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Actually (2.00 / 1)

here are six pages of proposals (pdf) from Obama --- nearly few of which need Congressional approval, since most can be approved by executive order, and which he has promised to sign on his first day in office.

You can hardly claim that Obama's (or Edwards' for that matter) sole effort to curb lobbying is limited to not accepting contributions --- that's mostly symbolic.

Of course I think it should be a key priority of the next president --- just as the new Democratic Congress placed a special emphasis on pushing through ethics legislation (which Obama played a central role in crafting).  That's what we need right now.


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 08:36:22 AM EST
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Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

working in a doctors office, i must say, we have less problems with aetna covering patients than any other insurance group


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:01:30 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (2.00 / 1)

When the CEO of a huge health insurance corporation comes out in favor of a Democratic candidate's plan you know the system is rigged.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 06:22:15 AM EST

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by reasonwarrior on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 03:50:07 PM EST

Re: Aetna Health Insurance Company Endorses Hillar (none / 0)

may I ad the President of Aetna has contributed to Lieberman and Nancy Johnson multiple times as well as Chris Dodd (the CT contingent where Aetna is) and Hillary Clinton.
he also maxes out each year to the Aetna PAC

i'm so glad nancy johnson got booted out of office.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 02:42:15 AM EST


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