Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa

I have been helping my local Edwards organizers make ID calls and knock on doors in some rural Eastern Iowa precincts.  I do get the sense that, particularly outside of the urban counties, the race is increasingly becoming a contest between Clinton and Edwards.  

In making calls through a list of rural Democrats who are consistent primary voters, but who lack a history of attending a caucus, my anecdotal notes show that Clinton is significantly stronger than any other candidate.  Accordingly, it does seem that she would benefit from a larger turnout.  

Amongst rural Democrats with a record of attending their caucus, my notes show a very competitive race between Edwards and Clinton with Obama distinctly behind.  I cannot overemphasize, however, the extreme fluidity of the situation.  Quite simply, Iowa Democrats are not in a hurry to make up their minds.  Most have narrowed down their choices, like a high school football star narrowing down his list of scholarship offers, but at least are only willing to express two or three candidates that are still in the running for their support.

I am sometimes amazed that Edwards has been mentioned in the same breath with Clinton and Obama by the folks with whom I have spoken.  Until this week, people have not received any mail or seen any commercials from the Edwards campaign.  I would like to think that this means Edwards has quite a bit of room to grow his support.  I am more certain that, at the very least, his numbers will not drop any further in Iowa.

If anyone wants to try to better understand the mentality of Iowans, you really ought to read Garrison Keillor's column from Wednesday.  It ran in today's Cedar Rapids Gazette, but you can read it on Salon.com by clicking here.

We are, of course, being bombarded with phone calls from the campaigns.  I actually received an ID phone call from the Obama campaign on my cell while knocking on doors for Edwards the other night.  I politely informed him of what I was doing and he thanked me for being engaged in the process.  

I received a call from the Chris Dodd campaign a week or so ago and also informed the organizer that I was planning to caucus for Edwards.  Yesterday, I received a letter from the Dodd campaign.  I was surprised and pretty impressed to see a hand-written letter to me on campaign letterhead from the organizer I had spoken to last week.  When I looked a little closer, I noticed that while the hand writing was real, it had been photocopied.  Trying to pass off a photocopy as though somebody had taken the time to personally write me a letter was a new technique, shall we say, that I had not before seen.  The letter is designed so that the organizer can simply write in "Dear __" and sign their name, but everything else is pre-packaged.  I found it to be even more ironic considering that the second sentence says, "Even though you had mentioned that you are leaning toward another candidate..."  Apparently, the Dodd organizers have to send out so many of these letters that they just all write one, and make a bunch of copies.

Lastly, my wife is pregnant and so we are exploring the world of baby naming books and websites.  Many sites, like www.thinkbabynames.com, show graphically how the popularity of a given name has increased or decreased over the years.  So, I looked up Hillary; you have to see this.  Apparently, Hillary used to be a pretty popular name.  It was one of the 200 most popular names for a baby girl until 1992.  Since 1992, the popularity of Hillary has sunk like a rock.  In the past 15 years, literally millions soon-to-be parents have apparently considered naming their daughter Hillary, and overwhelmingly rejected it... for whatever reason.



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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

If anyone wants to try to better understand the mentality of Iowans

I mean this with all due respect. But, after watching the eff'd up caucus system in Iowa and the obcene amount of money Democratic candidates are forced to waste appealing to a bunch of lily-white voters in a Republican state, I'd rather learn more about root canal than better understanding Iowa voters....

What Iowa voters need to understand is the anger than many Democrats feel over their holding Florida and Michigan hostage.


by hwc on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:20:01 PM EST

Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (2.00 / 5)

It is a lot of money, but to put it in context, the combined amounts that the campaigns spend in Iowa will be less than half of the New York Yankees annual payroll.

I don't really see any reason for Iowans to apologize for being white.  It is simply incorrect to call Iowa a Republican state.  And honestly, I don't see why Iowa Democrats should care about the hurt feelings in Florida or Michigan.


by Nate Willems on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:28:06 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (2.00 / 1)

BTW, I enjoyed your diary and appreciate you taking the time to write it. That's totally independent from my feelings about Iowa's role in the nominating process.


by hwc on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:34:14 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (2.00 / 2)

You forgot to mention that they're sexist because they have never elected a woman.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:44:33 PM EST
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I need to write a diary (2.00 / 3)

on how Iowa DEMOCRATS are not sexist, having nominated women to many state and federal offices.

Maybe next week...


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:50:28 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

And racist for never having a black congressman or senator. Unlike Mississippi!


by adamterando on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

Iowa may be mighty white but it's a prototypical toss-up state, not a Republican state.   In fact, I'd say toss-up with a slight Democratic lean.


by InigoMontoya on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 01:27:31 AM EST
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also, in terms of median income (2.00 / 1)

we are much more of an "average" state than, say, NJ or CT, which are admittedly much more ethnically diverse.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 01:52:00 AM EST
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Re: terms of median income (2.00 / 1)

And let's all hope this GE will be about economy, not ethnicity.

White, black, brown, yellow working class Americans are in this together.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 07:45:37 AM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (2.00 / 1)

thanks for the great report from the ground, Nate. look forward to hearing more.


by Todd Beeton on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:23:24 PM EST

Congrats on the baby.. (none / 0)

Names go in and out of fashion.  Look at Beth:
http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search.php ?s=beth&g=0&t=1

Or, Eleanor:
http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/ Eleanor

I wouldn't draw alot of comparisons.  


by bookgrl on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:26:10 PM EST

Re: Congrats on the baby.. (none / 0)

If you look at the Social Security website, it really was a pretty dramatic decline from 1992-95.  It's been level since 1998 or so.  Maybe everyone decided to go with Nevaeh instead.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:45:51 PM EST
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in fairness to Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I remember reading about this when I was pregnant the first time. Apparently, whenever there is a name that is strongly associated with just one famous person, parents are less likely to give their child that name. There's something about people not wanting it to be obvious who they named the baby after, or not wanting everyone to assume they named the baby after that person.

The sharp decline in the popularity of Hilary/Hillary during the early 1990s was real, but it wasn't an isolated case.

There was an article in the NYTimes Sunday magazine a few years back called "Where have all the Lisas gone?" It's a great piece on baby names.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:52:35 PM EST
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somewhat (2.00 / 1)

lisa slow steady decline over decades.

"brittany" the worst I've found but I haven't seen anything yet like "hillary"  that's a parabola


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:17:01 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

Hello,

Nice report. I don't question your field experience, but can you explain why the poll #s  are showing exactly the opposite direction?

Why do you believe Obama is getting a cold sholder?


by prisonbreak on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:32:31 PM EST

Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

Rural districts. Lily-white. Black man.


by hwc on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:35:06 PM EST
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That may not be true. (2.00 / 1)

Nate said he was slipping there, not that it started out that way.  Maybe it's because he missed the AARP debate or something.


by bookgrl on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:37:17 PM EST
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not that simple (2.00 / 1)

One of my friends who is from a small town was considering Obama and Edwards. She decided on Edwards for several reasons, but she did mention that when Obama talks about rural issues, he's not hitting the most important points for Iowans.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:55:27 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

HWC, as the responses above show, it's not that easy.

If Obama was a black man who demonstrably cares for rural working and middle class voters, his chances might be different.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 07:51:16 AM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (2.00 / 2)

The public polls all rely on people to self-identify as likely caucus attendees.  This is so much more incredibly difficult to dtermine than it sounds.  It is the natural inclination of many to want to sound as if they are good citizens participating in the process, or who do genuinely think, when asked, that they will attend a caucus.  The reality is there are around 100,000 reliable caucus attendees, and you simply would not want your campaign strategy to rely on other people who say that this year, though I have not caucused in the past, I will go to a caucus for my candidate.

There was a recent poll, done by the U of I, which put Edwards in 3rd.  However, I believe 80 percent of his supporters indicated they had caucused before in comparison to 50-some percent for Clinton and Obama.

The Iowa Democratic Party has an excellent voter file with individuals' caucus attendance and support history.  All the candidates have bought access to this voter file.  For that reason, I would love to see internal campaign polling numbers but simply do not take the public polls to be a reliable indicator.

If Obama is getting more of a cold shoulder in rural Iowa, it is a combination of more traditional attitudes and a lack of campaign appearances in rural counties by the Obama campaign in comparison to Edwards and, to a lesser degree, Clinton.


by Nate Willems on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:45:13 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

disagree a little bit, Obama has to count on these voters. If after spending 20 million in the state or  whatever I have to believe Obama's campaign can find 30-50 thousand people to caucus for him that never found a reason to show up before. It's certainly a better bet than goingafter voters at an AARP convention who most likely wouyldn't buck the establishment choices anyway. Iowa is the test for Obama if he can't get all these new people to show up then he doesn't deserve to win.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:49:49 PM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

I hear Obama is doing very well in Iowa and they have a huge number of supporter cards filled wya more than other candidates. For Obama to win the state though his voters (under 30) do need to show up in numbers never seen before, the Obama team is fishing for votes in a deeper pool than the others but if he brings em out he wins.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:44:47 PM EST

I don't think anyone knows (2.00 / 1)

who has the most supporter cards filled out. The campaigns hold that information close, to my knowledge.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:54:03 PM EST
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How's Biden doing? (none / 0)


by bookgrl on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:48:25 PM EST

Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

Interesting report. I like to hear these field reports. Must be nice to receive all this attention from the candidates.....

Oh, by the way, I just LOVED your little anecdote that proves how much Hillary is hated by the masses with the baby name thing. She's so hated that people don't even want to name their daughter after her. How horrible!! That Hillary--she must be such a terrible person for eliciting all that hatred!! What logical connection should I be making after reading that little anecdote in the same diary that talks about events on the ground in Iowa? [raising hand] Ooh, ooh. I know, I know!! B/c people despise Hillary so much, on January 3rd, Iowans will refuse to caucus for her and Edwards will win. Am I right? Do I get a gold star for figuring out the purpose of your anecdote at the end of this diary?

January 3rd can't get here fast enough for me so that I don't have to hear about Iowans' demands and deal with the state's unique features like the fact that Iowans have never elected a woman for higher offices (governor, Congressperson, Senator). In almost 80 years, Iowans could not find ONE woman to represent them in Congress or the Senate or even as Governor. And they're supposed to represent the entire US population on caucus day?  :shudders:


by ademption on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:56:19 PM EST

I am tired of this Hillary spin (2.00 / 3)

Iowa Democrats have not hesitated to vote for women in many primaries.

The Democrats who caucus are more liberal than conservative by a longshot.

So if Hillary doesn't win the Iowa caucuses, you can blame a lot of things, but don't blame allegedly sexist Iowa Democrats.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:59:23 PM EST
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Re: I am tired of this Hillary spin (none / 0)

that said I can see a backlast in Iowa to Hillary's all the men ganging up on me routine.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:02:37 PM EST
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Re: I am tired of this Hillary spin (1.50 / 2)

This isn't about Hillary. I am absolutely SHOCKED as someone who lives in a state that has been represented by Senator Mikulski nearly all my life to find out that there are states in the Union that have had no women representatives in Congress EVER? Are you kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me? I can imagine a statistic like that in the fifties or something. But in 2007?

I was so upset by this unique oddity of Iowa that when Senator Harkin announced that contest for that dinner later this month at dkos, I asked him about the situation and did not receive a reply. I asked him then and maybe you can provide an answer. Are there mentoring programs for women who hold lower offices in Iowa so that when one of these slots is vacant, they can be eligible and break through this glass ceiling? What steps are the Democratic party trying to take to rectify this problem? This is a failure of leadership in the Iowa Democratic party that they have not fielded a woman candidate to win these important high level seats. I want to know what actions the party is taking to rectify this situation!! It is beyond my comprehension in FREAKING 2007 that Iowa has never elected a woman in higher office. 2-freaking-007!!! What is wrong with Iowa that they have never elected a woman for these positions? I JUST DON'T GET IT!!


by ademption on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:17:23 PM EST
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Democrats have fielded women candidates (2.00 / 3)

We have nominated two women for governor (the first in 1982, the second in 1994). We have elected two women to lieutenant governor (there was also a Republican woman lieutenant governor).

Iowa Democrats have nominated women for many Congressional seats. They have not had much luck because in most cases they have been running against incumbent Republicans, and/or they have been running in very bad years for Democrats (like 1994).

Iowa Democrats have nominated one woman for attorney general--she was elected.

Iowa Democrats have nominated two women for secretary of agriculture--one was elected.

There are something like six women out of 50 in the Iowa Senate, and something like 27 women out of 100 in the Iowa House. The (Republican) minority Senate leader is a woman.

I am not saying it's a great record, but you can't blame Iowa Democrats for the fact that Iowans haven't elected women governor or to Congress. We have tried many times.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:30:30 PM EST
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Cedar Rapids and Bettendorf (2.00 / 4)

two fairly large cities by Iowa standards, have had women mayors. I think they were both Republicans, although the one in Bettendorf later became a Democrat and ran for Congress against Nussle in 2002.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:32:22 PM EST
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Re: Democrats have fielded women candidates (1.00 / 1)

And there's been no outcry on this state of affairs? Why have Iowa Democrats only nominated women when they know that they'll have a hard time beating an incumbent? Why don't they promote women candidates when the races are more competitive? That's just some garbage!! The party leaves the lower offices for women and reserves higher offices for men. I'm sorry, but the more I learn about your state, the more I realize that I could never be comfortable living there.

The hot issue here in Maryland isn't about electing a woman for the top position; it's about electing an African-American for Governor or Senator. Very, very, very hot/contentious issue within the Democratic party here in Maryland....


by ademption on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 10:51:24 PM EST
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Re: Democrats have fielded women candidates (none / 0)

No women governors. No women Senators. No women in Congress. Iowa and Mississippi are the only two states to hold that distinction.

Why the Democrats bend over and kiss Iowa's ass every four years, I have no earthly idea. While boycotting Florida. Go figure.


by hwc on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:04:09 PM EST
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Re: Democrats have fielded women candidates (1.00 / 1)

Well, maybe one good positive about HRC's candidacy is that Iowans might start thinking about this issue as to why they have never elected a woman for these positions. It might be a good opportunity for someone in the state to start a good mentoring program; someone else could start fundraising drive for a future woman candidate in these positions; another person could start a woman's outreach program to get more women involved in the voting process.

Maybe we outsiders need to look at this as an opportunity to help Iowans begin to meet the norms of the 21st century when it comes to gender equality? As outsiders, we can probably raise the issue more vigorously than the residents, who apparently have no problem with the idea that Iowa along with Mississippi hold this unique distinction. Obviously, since the Iowa Democratic party refuses to fix this problem, we outsiders need to demand that they rectify this problem especially if they want their 1st caucus state status to continue....


by ademption on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:44:50 PM EST
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Re: Democrats have fielded women candidates (none / 0)

BTW, I don't think any state that votes Republican in the prior Presidential election should even be considered as an early primary state. Let them hold the Iowa caucus in June.


by hwc on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:05:27 PM EST
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you're not even a registered Democrat (2.00 / 2)

and you voted for Romney for governor, so why are you lecturing Iowans about who are good Democrats?


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:34:08 PM EST
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Re: you're not even a registered Democrat (none / 0)

What did you want me to do? Vote for the woman?


by hwc on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 02:06:17 AM EST
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I can not believe you voted (none / 0)

for Romney.


by bookgrl on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 03:19:10 AM EST
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As a MA resident when I find out that someone (2.00 / 1)

in the progressive blogosphere admits to voting for Romney red flags shoot up all over the place

Look what Romney and the Republican crew did to Jane Swift

As far as i am concerned that poster now has zero, nado,zip credibility( it wasn't great to begin with, but still)


by merbex on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 08:00:41 AM EST
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Re: As a MA resident when I find out that someone (2.00 / 1)

I think you could read most of HWC's comments and deduce that little credibility should be given even before you get to the vote for Romney (if that is true - it was just said in a comment and I haven;t researched).

HWC's anger at Iowa and ignoring any other context about the value of the retail process of running campaigns shows a lack of considered reason.

Maybe there shouldn't be any one state, or any cluster of primarily white state's at the front of the pack.  But to throw out one of the last vestiges of meaningful campaigning at the presidential level so quickly and with such anger because you hate iowans and think the Florida election process is so great is just sloppy thinking.

I think HWC even made the comment that no state who voted republican in the last general should be a primary state next time around.  And so the love affair with Florida is what exactly...?

Forget HWC.  Great Diary.  Thanks Nate.


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by Orlando on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 11:20:15 AM EST
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Re: I can not believe you voted (none / 0)

Here's why:

a) My number one model of Massachusetts politics is Billy Bulger and the corrupt Democratic machine/patronage legislature. I would never vote for a Republican for the US Senate or US House, but the only semblence of check and balance in state government is the governor's seat. I mean...how many Bulger cousins can the Mass. Turnpike Authority hire? For those who don't know Mass politics, Billy Bulger and his brother Whitey Bulger (on the FBI's most wanted list) were in the same business -- Billy worked his extortion rackets as Pres. of the state Senate, Whitey as the boss of organized crime.

b) Romney bamboozled me. I believed him when he said he was pro-choice, pro-gay rights, etc. I thought I was voting for another Bill Weld, who I think was a fine governor and a good balance against the corruption of the statehouse.
Remember, he swore up and down that he was liberal on the social issues and a moderate Republican. There was nothing signficant in his public record to suggest otherwise and, at that point, we didn't know that he is a pathological liar.


by hwc on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 11:51:42 AM EST
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wrong again (2.00 / 3)

In 1982 the governor's chair was open, and Iowa Democrats nominated a woman.

In 1994 there was an open CD (5th district), and Iowa Democrats nominated a woman, even though the man was favored to win that primary. She lost the election, in part because it was a conservative district, but mainly because Democrats were decimated all over the country in 1994.

In 1990 the attorney general gave up that position to run for governor, and Iowa Democrats quickly coalesced around a woman to run for that job.

There haven't been a lot of open U.S. House or U.S. Senate seats in Iowa. Our senators have served since 1980 and 1984. We have lost a House district several decades in a row following the census, which means that incumbents are thrown in a district together. We've had very, very few retirements leaving open House seats.

The Iowa Democratic Party has not discouraged women from running for open seats. We have run lots of women for seats in the state legislature, including open seats. The Iowa Senate seat including my suburb was open in 2004, and we ran a woman. There is a open Iowa Senate seat coming up in Linn County (Cedar Rapids area), and Democrats have quickly united around a woman for that seat.

You are uninformed.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:40:42 PM EST
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Re: wrong again (1.00 / 1)

Ok, why not governor then? Those positions have opened up in recent years haven't they? And wasn't your current governor a former Congressman? What about his seat? Are you trying to tell me that there wasn't a qualified woman available for the gubernatorial race or that vacant Congressional seat when it became available? I'm sorry, but I see this as a structural issue for Iowa Democrats that they need to rectify.... Put up a woman that will be competitive and provide enough resources for her to get elected....


by ademption on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:57:50 PM EST
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a woman did run for governor (2.00 / 1)

in 2006: Patty Judge, who had won two statewide elections as Secretary of Agriculture and had served in the legislature before that.

She wasn't getting much traction in the primary (and don't whine about that--she was a terrible shill for corporate ag interests as Sec of Ag), so Chet Culver picked her as his running mate instead.

Culver was never in Congress. He left the position of Secretary of State to run for governor.

We have not had a lot of open U.S. House seats. The last one was the very Republican 5th CD, which no Democrat would have a prayer of winning. We have nominated a woman and several men for that seat, but it's just impossible.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:48:14 AM EST
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Re: wrong again (none / 0)

you know, while i'm certainly all for more women in politics, i find your whole line of argument here to be a bit....shrill.


by bluedavid on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 08:05:44 PM EST
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Re: Democrats have fielded women candidates (none / 0)

Gasp! And you live in such a state that has never elected an African-American governor or senator! I would never feel comfortable living in that backwater of a state.


by adamterando on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 03:49:37 PM EST
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Re: Democrats have fielded women candidates (none / 0)

Do you have any concept of the difference in demographics in different states??  Isn't it more offensive that although numerous states in the South are almost majority Black, that Obama (p.s. NOT from one of those states) is the first black senator since Reconstruction?  

The first time I went to the MidWest, the lack of ethnic diversity made me uncomfortable.  Ditto the small towns in New England.  However, just because a locale is less than multicultural doesn't mean that it is a result of racism or exclusivity.  Should we blame the current residents of these places for the randomness of immigration history?  

Identity Politics is dead (i hope).


by bluedavid on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 08:10:48 PM EST
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Re: I am tired of this Hillary spin (2.00 / 4)

Their are only 10-12 US senator's that are women and maybe a half a dozen governor's.

Don't pick on Iowa, my home state of Minnesota just elected it's first women senator. My state has been a most reliable democratic state for years.

Also California has never had a female governor, even though they do have two women senators.

The governor of California is a most high profile state than senators.

Also how many women have been elected to the senate from NY OUTSIDE OF HILLARY. I don't know of any.


by BDM on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:43:21 PM EST
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all good points (2.00 / 3)

NY has never had a woman governor either, nor have NY Democrats nominated a woman for that position, as far as I know.

NY has had many women in Congress, of course, but they also have many more Congressional districts than Iowa has ever had.

Several of the states that have sent exactly one woman to Congress have special circumstances, such as the woman was the widow or the daughter of a man who served in Congress for a long time. If anyone thinks Stephanie Herseth would have been elected in SD without coming from a famous political family, they are kidding themselves. Having a good name helps a lot.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:52:54 PM EST
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Re: all good points (1.00 / 1)

The issue isn't that New York or any other state has the trifecta of a woman governor, senator or Congress member. The issue that people are raising is that your state hasn't bothered to elect a woman for ANY of these positions. None, zero!! Not a widow or someone from a political family. Nothing. It's startling, really startling from an outsider's POV!!


by ademption on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:12:36 AM EST
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Re: all good points (2.00 / 2)

The point you're refusing to acknowledge is that the difference between 1 and 0 is pretty much in fate's hands.


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by Steve M on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:44:34 AM EST
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if Chet Culver were a woman (2.00 / 1)

maybe she would have been elected governor anyway. But former U.S. Senator John Culver had a son named Chet. So he's the member of the political family who ran for governor and got elected.

We haven't had any long-serving Democrats in Congress die suddenly, allowing their widows to run for the seat.

We have tried to elect women, ok? We nominated Roxanne Conlin in 1982 and put resources behind her. We tried to pass the ERA as well.

The Iowa Democratic Party has had many women in leadership positions. It's not an issue of the Democratic Party in this state not wanting to elect women.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:51:36 AM EST
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Re: if Chet Culver were a woman (none / 0)

It doesn't matter. The commenter wants to maintain their stereotypes and prejudices that the middle of the country is a bunch of racist sexist hicks.

And people wonder why many people outside of the coasts consider the Democratic Party a bunch of "elitists".


by adamterando on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 03:52:19 PM EST
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Re: all good points (2.00 / 1)

Bella Abzug very nearly won the Democratic nomination for Senate in 1976.  I honestly don't know if she would have been electable statewide.

We're dealing with a fairly small number of data points here as we struggle to determine which states are the most sexist.  I think we should just stipulate that every jurisdiction has a way to go in terms of achieving political equality, and leave it at that.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 01:00:39 AM EST
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Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (2.00 / 6)

Nate, thanks for your diary -- and for your efforts on behalf of Edwards.

Your diary shows why Edwards is in good shape, and why all the campaigns believe they are doing well. The secret is not being ahead in polls, because its not a one-person, one-vote first-past-the-post eletion. Its about

1. being viable in as many precincts as possible. The caucus rewards breadth of support much more than depth.

2. being the 2nd choice of as many voters as possible. The caucus  rewards breadth of support more than intensity.

My experience with voter ID efforts in Nevada are very similar to what Nate reports -- a surprising familiarity with, and favorability towards, Edwards even (especially) among voters who are undecided; stregth for Clinton among older women, but a lack of familiarity among Clinton supporters with her positions.


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 02:30:28 AM EST

another question for you, Nate (2.00 / 2)

Do you hear any anecdotal reports from small towns in which Obama has a field office but Clinton and Edwards do not?

I know that Edwards has campaign chairs and steering committees in all 99 counties, so I assume the campaign has a strong volunteer organization even in the towns where there is not an actual field office. I don't know how Clinton is doing in this regard.

Do you think Obama is getting any sort of an edge in the towns where his is the only field office with paid staff?


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 09:26:56 AM EST

Re: Caucus Notes from Rural Iowa (none / 0)

Congrats on your forthcoming newborn! My wife is six months pregnant and I talked about the same topic of the name Hillary a few weeks back. But you could go with Hillary if it's a girl and claim that it was inspired by Duff instead of Clinton. Since ours will be a boy, we've narrowed it down to Sam. And that has nothing to do with Brownback!
by PD1769 on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:33:02 PM EST


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