Clinton & Clark(my dream ticket) Campaign In Iowa

Clinton and Clark Campaign in Iowa
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/ 11/19/clinton-and-clark-campaign-in-iowa /


DES MOINES - File this under the Department of Getting Ahead of Ourselves: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is campaigning in Iowa this morning with a political ally, Gen. Wesley K. Clark (ret.), and on first blush it's pretty easy to see a future political ticket there.

For one thing (superficiality alert!), there's height.
Mrs. Clinton is said to stand at 5'8'' (some observers put her an inch or two less); if she wins the Democratic presidential nomination, one school of thought is that she would be better off with a running mate who did not tower over her and create a jarring contrast for the cameras.

Mr. Clark, the former NATO commander during Bill Clinton's administration, appears only slightly taller than Mrs. Clinton, and they had good stage presence together as they table-hopped together at the Drake Diner this morning in search of Iowa Democratic caucus-goers.
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General Clark, for his part, talked up Mrs. Clinton as a strong commander-in-chief during his asides with patrons at the diner. He told a tableful of middle-aged men that "she knows what she believes" and "she knows where she stands," while Mrs. Clinton said of Mr. Clark, "he was leading our forces in Kosovo and Bosnia when we got rid of a dictator."


Hillary Clinton, Wes Clark and Christie Vilsack Talk About 'Tertiary Recovery' at Breakfast
http://www.observer.com/2007/hillary-cli nton-wes-clark-and-christie-vilsack-talk -about-tertiary-recovery-breakfast

CLINTON, WES CLARK STOP AT IOWA DINER
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 007/11/19/473036.aspx


Clinton introduced the general and chatted with a handful of voters who worked at a children's hospital and with a man who asked about housing issues.

"I'd love to have your support," the senator said at one point; one of the diners said she would have his. Clinton then settled in at the counter to chat, before the cameras, with Clark and former Iowa First Lady Christie Vilsack about the challenges of campaigning over the holiday.

Clinton says economy needs experience
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/C LINTON_IOWA?SITE=FLSTU&SECTION=HOME& amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


KNOXVILLE, Iowa (AP) -- The economy needs help and fast, Hillary Rodham Clinton declared Monday, claiming the experience for the job and saying the nation can't afford to break in a newcomer.

In speech excerpts provided by the Clinton campaign, the New York senator suggested Democratic rival Barack Obama and other candidates lack the experience necessary to address the nation's fiscal challenges.

"There is one job we can't afford on-the-job training for - our next president. That could be the costliest job training in history," Clinton said. "Every day spent learning the ropes is another day of rising costs, mounting deficits and growing anxiety for our families. And they cannot afford to keep waiting
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"We need a president who understands the magnitude and complexity of the challenges we face and has the strength and experience to address them from day one," she said.
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"We don't need more Republican scare tactics about a 'Social Security crisis,'" Clinton said. "And we don't need a trillion-dollar tax increase that will hit families already facing higher energy, health care and college costs. What we need is to focus on the real crises of health care and Medicare, and on expanding opportunities for poor, working and middle class families who are struggling now. "



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The view (none / 0)


On "The View," Walters reads note from co-host and outspoken Republican Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who says a congrats letter from Clinton after the recent birth of her son might lead her to vote for the former First Lady!!!
Watch it above.

http://thepage.time.com/the-view-discuss ion-on-hillary-clinton/


by prisonbreak on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 01:58:49 PM EST

Re: The view (none / 0)

I would be embarrassed to ever vote for the same candidate as Elisabeth Hasselbeck, haha.

However, that does remind me of a story, which I'll tell if I get a little more time.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:02:21 PM EST
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Re: The view (none / 0)

haha i agree with steve m... hasselbeck is a turd


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 03:14:34 PM EST
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Re: Clinton & Clark(my dream ticket) Campaign (2.00 / 1)

I'm a big fan of Wes Clark and I confess I would love to see him on a ticket.

It's typical of the vapid nature of the MSM, though, that the first thing they think to comment on is the fact that he wouldn't tower over her.  Gee, by that logic, maybe we should talk about the Clinton/Kucinich ticket.  (Or Kucinich/Clinton!)


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 01:59:36 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

"At the least" means at minimum, so 5'8" could be correct, although the article even states that she may be an inch less.

 She obviously towers over the rest of the Democratic field in many other ways, which is what really matters.  


by georgep on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:11:36 PM EST
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Re: Clinton & Clark(my dream ticket) (none / 0)

always the "rhymes with witch" arent you?

Did your hatred towards her start over some man who did YOU  wrong...

or just the great fear that one certain one -
some day - probably will?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:05:56 PM EST
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I was thinking the same thing (none / 0)

The first thing they say about Clark on the ticket is that he would be a good height match? Give me a break.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:12:19 PM EST
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She is right (none / 0)

unfortunately she offers only incremental change.  but her ability and talent is so much greater than the others... to say nothing of her ability to win the GE, that it is a no brainer who the best candidate will be.
I still really wish she would take not just a page but several chapters out of Gore's last few books.  Clamate change, the media etc.. these problems have to be addressed and we need single payer healthcare.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:06:42 PM EST

Re: She is right (none / 0)

I don't think Gore would come out for single payer health care.  If he did make statements to that effect, it would be in the abstract, I am sure.  Meaning that the goal would be to eventually get there.  

If Hillary were to win the presidency, I believe that Gore would be a big part of Hillary Clinton's administration in the areas of global warming, pollution.  If not directly connected, then in the capacity he seems the most comfortable in, as a Global Warming guru advising her and perhaps accompanying her to conferences and signings of new anti-pollution agreements.


by georgep on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:15:38 PM EST
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Re: She is right (none / 0)

he came out for single payer in 2002 and talked about it again just about a month ago on Current TV.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:21:45 PM EST
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Gore will not be a part of any administration (none / 0)

However I would hope that whoever the next president is, they would consult with him about exactly what needs to be done.  I also hope that we can keep it from being a political issue and work together to save the planet.  If the republicans are going to continue to be assholes about it we are going to have to role over them. It is too important to let it go.  China and the US have to lead the world in reducing green house gases immediately.  We are already suffering the effects of global warming.  
Even here in Pa it is so obvious. It is mid November, the leaves are still on the trees, many of them still green,  and we have had our first big snow.  It's freaky but it is nothing compared to the coming storms and floods that are going to displace millions of people.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:29:04 PM EST
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if a Bush to Clinton change is incremental (none / 0)

why did the gop attempt a full scale coup tthru impeachment and actually steal a election from gore in 2000?

over minor, picayune differences?

no,  indeed  no...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:09:14 PM EST
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Re: She is right (none / 0)

what will you do if gore endorses obama?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 07:02:18 AM EST
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(what do you mean subject too long?) (none / 0)

remind me to dig up the clip of clark saying,
in the weeks before the war, that it's "too late" to back off now. to not invade would cause us to lose face in the international community.
I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:17:14 PM EST

Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (none / 0)

the subject can only be up to 50 characters... so if the subject line is too long, then it wont let you post the comment, i just usually delete half of what is up there.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 03:17:43 PM EST
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Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (none / 0)

Yeah, I hate that, it makes me crazy.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:22:29 PM EST
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Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (2.00 / 1)

Either dig it up or apologize for your slur; your comment is ridiculous and typical of anti-Clark bashing. In other words, baloney.


by donjo on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 04:58:20 PM EST
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Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (none / 0)

Here's a nice post I found with some quotes from Clark from before the war.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:07:05 PM EST
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Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (none / 0)

please, clark had 12 positions on the war in the fall of 2003 till he finally settled on one. (help mary!)

it's not a slur. freespeechtv has been running a clip of clark saying just that in a documentary  about how media enabled bush's rush to war.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:24:17 PM EST
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pile o' shit much? (none / 0)

Wes Clark's life is a pretty open book. His stance on this war, and many others, is well documented.

btw, he's been fighting against neo-cons since before there was a word for them.

If you wanna play Meet the Timmy Gotcha go look up Red State & type away to your heart's content.

If "jello" in your name refers to Biafra, live up to his high standard of critical thinking & don't be a knee-jerk reactionary.


by bluemoon on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:55:27 PM EST
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Re: pile o' shit much? (none / 0)

all that you say doesn't erase what is caught on tape. and what that tape reveals is clark saying it is too late to pull back from invading iraq weeks before bush launched the war.

why deny reality?


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 08:38:54 AM EST
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Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (2.00 / 2)

I would love for you to dig that up, because as someone who has followed Clark closely for 4+ years, I am absolutely, 100% positive that he never said anything of the sort.

As for your other claim that he was all over the place on what to do about Iraq, you are wrong. Reporter Adam Nagourney ran a hit piece on Clark that has been debunked time and again. I'm sure you just missed it all the millions of times it was discussed in '03-'04.

"Clark Says He Would Have Voted for War "- Dissecting Adam Nagourney's '03 NYT article

small snippet, in case you don't have time to read the whole thing:

...

However, what I noticed this time, maybe due to the shock the article brought with it the last time, was this line found in the 4th paragraph-

   "...General Clark said that he would have advised members of Congress to support the authorization of war but that he thought it should have had a provision requiring President Bush to return to Congress before actually invading."

So there it is folks, Wes Clark is only acknowledging that he supported the Levin amendment! This was not a secret as Clark as asserted this fact time and time again. He said this before this article was printed, and he has stated it since. That would have been the amendment that required George Bush to go to the UN, get a vote from the Security Council and then come back to Congress for a 2nd vote! I believe that is what Wes Clark has been saying all along!

...


by jen on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:17:54 PM EST
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Re: (what do you mean subject too long?) (none / 0)

Heh, I remember that article.  It sure made me wince to read that Clark had to summon his press secretary to help him articulate his thoughts on whether he would have voted for the war!

I have no doubt that Clark was right on the war.  He was one of the good guys when he testified before Congress.  He has spoken many times of how he knew there was a drumbeat for war with Iraq within days after 9/11, and I never got the sense that he saw it as anything but scary!

His failure to be better prepared for this obvious question, though, is kinda emblematic of the reasons why his candidacy didn't turn out better in 2004.  It's sort of like how Obama showed up for the last debate without a pat response prepared for the driver's license question, you wonder how his campaign let it happen.

Overall I get the sense that Clark is similar politically to Joe Wilson, that he probably didn't have much of a problem with anything Bush's father did, but that he was really, really turned off by the radicalism of the neocon agenda.  I think this makes him especially eager to return our foreign policy to someplace sane.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:40:58 PM EST
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Clinton has fire power in Iowa (2.00 / 1)

Bill Clinton aside, she has Clark, Vilsack - both of them, Bob Kerry and Dick Gephardt all stumping for her.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 02:38:51 PM EST

Bob Kerry ???? (none / 0)

I didnt know this!

He is my favorite Senator ever -I disagreed with him on a 1000 things - but I love him - he is such a smart ass and  scoundrel...

Oh I am  so glad if  this is true!

He is so ornery, id have expected him to go with another....


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:13:32 PM EST
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As reported by MSNBC's First Read (none / 0)


by dpANDREWS on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:24:34 PM EST
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let me get this straight (none / 0)

You bash Obama for talking about Social Security reform, but you love Bob Kerrey, one of the leading Democratic advocates of Social Security privatization?


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:14:05 PM EST
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I love Bob Keeerry as a man (none / 0)

he is best frieds with a old "boss" of mine who also lost a limb in vietnam.  

he is the best guy ever.

I love that guy so much...

You just cant know...

GOD Senator Bob is onboard with Hillary...

you people just dont know how over this thing really is...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:20:51 PM EST
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Re: Clinton has fire power in Iowa (none / 0)

clark, vilsack, bob kerrey, gephardt, etc.

hillary has all the war enablers supporting her.

(vilsack had his chance to oppose the war in 2003 but he endorsed kerry instead. his opposition to the war was johnny come lately and self serving, meant to boost his candidacy last spring.)


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:44:00 PM EST
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youu are such a jerk (none / 0)

go join code pink or something "meaningful" like that..


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:23:05 PM EST
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Over 20 Democrats voted for the war (none / 0)

Will you be supporting ALL OF THEIR opponents in this election or their next election?

Do tell.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:50:45 PM EST
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clinton clark (2.00 / 3)

they were great together at "Town Hall" in NYC. They complement each other very well


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 03:28:45 PM EST

yes, yes & yes (2.00 / 3)

Clinton Clark is a brilliant combination. These two are natural allies- Clark brings gravitas, military experise & massive worldwide respect plus one of the most interesting biographies in American history.

She could do no better, and could do substantially worse.

I would work my ass off for this ticket.


by bluemoon on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 04:01:12 PM EST

Re: yes, yes & yes (2.00 / 1)

agreed


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:14:07 PM EST
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Re: NEW WASHINGTON POST POLL (none / 0)

New Poll just released: Iowa (Wash. Post)

Obama 30
Clinton 26
Edwards 22


by BDM on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:26:17 PM EST
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Re: potentially effective combinaton (none / 0)

Senator Clinton isn't my favorite among the candidates and I wasn't rooting for General Clark, either, when he was still in the race for the top of the ticket; but I do agree that they make a fairly strong combination together. If she hasn't already promised it to Vilsack, she could do worse.

I think, on the other hand, that General Clark may very well be offered his choice of cabinet seats by virtually any winning Democratic presidential contender.  He could be the 'General Colin Powell' of the Democratic nominee - the pre-announced cabinet appointment who gives a tiny boost to the nominee even before they win.


by Christopher Walker on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 05:27:19 PM EST
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Vilsack would be a terrible choice for VP (2.00 / 1)

Wouldn't even deliver Iowa.

Now as a cabinet secretary, you couldn't do much better than Vilsack. The guy is smart, loves to get into the policy details, and is a very hard worker. Would be a good pick for several cabinet jobs.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:44:55 PM EST
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Re: Vilsack would be a terrible choice for VP (none / 0)

Setting aside political considerations that have to do with campaigning, and not qualifications, would Vilsack be a good President, if called upon?

I know we focus our discussions here on winning elections; but, after all, the most important job of the vice presidential candidate is to be ready and qualified to be President, should something happen to the POTUS.


by Christopher Walker on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 10:13:48 AM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 1)

YES, this is my dream ticket too- I'm trying not to get too attached to the idea so I won't be disapointed- I know that damn electoral college screws up things like this- but I will be thrilled and it is certainly the ticket I would like.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:26:28 PM EST


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