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ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa

by Todd Beeton, Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:38:58 PM EST

The new ARG Iowa caucus poll of likely Republican caucus goers (600 LVs, 11/10-14, MOE 4%) is worth noting because it's the first poll to show Mike Huckabee essentially tied for the lead with Mitt Romney.

Candidate	Nov. (Oct.)	RCP 4-poll Ave.
Romney	26 (27)	28.5
Huckabee	24 (19)	19.8
Giuliani	11 (16)	12.3
Thompson	11 (8))	10.3
McCain	10 (14)	7.3
Paul	3 (1)	4

It will take a few more polls to confirm whether Huckabee's truly gone from merely surging to actually tied for the lead but the way he's been moving (single digits in September, the teens in October, the 20s in November) he's certainly on track not only to catch Romney but to pass him. Real Clear Politics has some handy charts, including Romney's and Huckabee's relative InTrade prediction market trends. In the past two weeks, Huckabee has gone from 15% chance to win the caucus to 40% to win while Romney has gone from 68% to win down to 54% today.

Tags: 2008 presidential election, Republican Iowa caucus, poll, ARG (all tags)

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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

Shit...Huckabee is the guy we don't want winning this thing.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.

by jkfp2004 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:46:12 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

Yes, this is unfortunate.

by Korha on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:40:48 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

How do we stop him? What candidate can do what needs to be done to show that yes he's nice, but he's insane under that niceness? I don't believe any of our candidates have the guts to do it.

by MNPundit on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:53:14 PM EST
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Edwards and Kucinich have the guts ... (none / 0)

... I think that when the Democrats offer a faux-Republican, there is a tendency among some voters to go with the real Republican because they trust that they are hearing what the candidate really believes ...

... and by the same token, if Republicans offer a reactionary populist, we need to offer a progressive populist to counter.

I am not going to make the predictable electability argument to, shock, horror, arrive at my candidate alone ... I'd probably support Edwards over Kucinich if the electability picture was reversed, so it wouldn't be a very sincere argument for me to make.

The words of the prophets are written on the subway halls
and tenement halls

by BruceMcF on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 11:04:52 AM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

I don't fear Huckabee. If he were to win the nomination, he'd play to the south very well. If we play an extended battlefield against Huckabee, for our election strategy, he doesn't have the money to compete as heavily in the swing states, giving us the big win. We need a candidate who is willing to apply the fifty state strategy in the presidential election. If we do that, we can not lose, even against a likable guy like Huckabee.

by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:06:00 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

You really don't think that once the field is clear, Huckabee won't get an ASSLOAD of money, especially from the Theo-Cons...

by yitbos96bb on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:17:46 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

The theocons aren't really the money in the Republican Party, they're more of the ground troops.

The Wall Street and big business interests that fund the Republican Party are not going to fall in love with a guy like Huckabee. They won't even fall in like with him.

As we've seen with the recent increase in corporate donations to Democrats since 2006, these folks are not dead-ender Republicans. Corporate America is mostly pragmatic, and they're not going to empty the vaults for Huckabee just because he has an R.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:23:19 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

Huckabee actually is a cultural conservative. He would have beaucoup bucks. AND, this baptist minister would heal the existing rift in the right-wing evalgelical vote.

Plus, have you seen him on things like the Daily Show? He's quick, he's funny, he's dangerous.

BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics

by Robert P on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:55:54 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

AGREED!!! CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:16:22 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

It will take a few more polls to confirm whether Huckabee's truly gone from merely surging to actually tied for the lead but the way he's been moving ...

Agreed. My favorite part from speculating about Huckabee possibly winning, is that he has little name recognition, he has very little support outside of Iowa. The fact that his campaign has raised so little in the primary gives huge doubts to his financial capability in te general. If he managed a miracle, I see a blowout for Democrats.

by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:48:31 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

I dont think so.

I believe Huckabee is by far the most talented pol out of the GOP field.

Look at it this way...The guy has no money and he's giving Millionair Mitt a run for his money.

If he wins Iowa , i suspect he'll get some bounce onn the money department and once he raises his name ID , he could be very impressive.

He's one GOP i wouldnt mind voting for.

by Prodigy on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:57:55 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

"He's one GOP i wouldnt mind voting for."

Uh, what? ...

by frankies on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:09:34 PM EST
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Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat (none / 0)

"He's one GOP i wouldnt mind voting for."

I'll admit, he's a nice guy, but I would NOT consider voting for him. He would run 4 more years of invalidating science like Bush & Co.

Yes, if Huckabee won the nomination, he would get a financial boost. I still don't see him getting very far with it.

The reason Huckabee is doing good in Iowa is he's the only real conservative. The rest of the Republican field are all disfigurements of their twisted ideology. I don't see him appealing to anyone outside of the Republican party.

by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:37:11 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

"Look at it this way...The guy has no money and he's giving Millionair Mitt a run for his money."

Pat Buchanan did the same to Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain to George Bush in 2000. Both did not have any money. So this is nothing new. Would be very surprised if Michigan or NH voted for Huckabee.

"If he wins Iowa , i suspect he'll get some bounce onn the money department and once he raises his name ID , he could be very impressive."

May be, may be not.

by Boilermaker on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:49:33 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

I don't remember Kerry having a lot of support anywhere before Iowa... The GOP seems very similar to the 2004 Dem primary this time around.

by yitbos96bb on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:20:14 PM EST
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Giuliani is DONE! (none / 0)

Giuliani is finish...

The guy can not even guaranty himself a 4th place finish in Iowa since he's basicly sweating it out with thompson and Mccain...So this means Guiliani could easily finish in 5th place.

Anyone with the exception of the Clinton supporters still believe Giuliani will be the GOP nominee?

by Prodigy on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:55:31 PM EST

Tootsie Giuliani has to be stoked (none / 0)

Huckabee might just blow up Romney's grand plan.

Still, when it comes down to the final weeks Romney's $$$ should carry him. Huckabee doesn't have two nickels to rub together.

by dpANDREWS on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:58:35 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

Huck is a huge problem for Romney. Mitt's whole strategy is to win the early states and ride the momentum to victory, and right now Huckabee is the thorn in his side. I agree, Romney will financially bury Huckabee in attempt to maintain his diminishing Iowa lead, probably by going negative on Huck's financial conservative credentials.

by AC4508 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:00:55 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

We definitely want Romney to win it. Huckabee is too much of a populist.

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by TheUnknown285 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:06:57 PM EST

Wow, Huckabee is surging. (none / 0)

This is great news for McCain. I now predict a McCain/Huckabee ticket.

by bookgrl on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:08:38 PM EST

Re: Wow, Huckabee is surging. (none / 0)

I agree. I keep trying to set aside time to do a diary on the Republican race. I think it is going to come down to Huckabee v McCain, with McCain the likely winner.

Andy Katz

by Andy Katz on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:17:37 PM EST
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Re: Wow, Huckabee is surging. (none / 0)

I'm sorry, how do you figure McCain in this?

by yitbos96bb on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:21:35 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee (none / 0)

Okay- this is scary. This is the reason why A list bloggers and the Democratic Party can ill afford to exhibit the hubris that many have exhibited over the last year. 4 factors make him dangerous- personality, outsider, economic populist and he has serious social conservative creds. This is the type of threat that can beat Clinton and most of our field. Oh- and 5, the press likes him. He can run to the left of say Clinton on the economic issues while to the right of her on the social. He is not marred by the Iraqi War.

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:08:41 PM EST

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I agree with you analysis almost all the time, and even now I agree that MH is the toughest R to beat. Still, I think any Democrat will beat him, with the possible exception of HRC. And I think even she would have a fair chance. Why?

1. He has a very anti-populist tax message, replacing all income tax with a 23% sales tax.

2. He will run as a supporter of the Iraq war.

3. Basically, he can be tied to all of Bush's policies.

Still, again, I agree with you that he is by far their best candidate and if HRC is our nominee he really could win.

Andy Katz

by Andy Katz on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:21:10 PM EST
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By the way- if he does get the nom this will prove a theory I've been developing that the GOP is far better adapting to changed circumstances than we are.

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:10:44 PM EST

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why?

coud you elaborate? don't just drop out that tease and not go any further with it, haha.

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.

by jgarcia on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:24:01 PM EST
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It's complicated. Basically, they lose one election cycle, and they are already trying to find ways to innovate and adapt (the base, not all of the leadership). I thought it would take until at least to mid next decade for them to come up with a new winning formula. We lose multiple election cycles and we adopt the mentality of the leadership that's been the reason for our loses. Poll after poll seems to say that economic populism is the thing that unites Americans across the divide regardless of how they vote on social conservatism. I didn't think they would find a candidate this soon or that he could come from behind like this. I can't imagine that happening in my party. Remember, the GOP is suppose to be the lockstep party, etc- but what are we seeing here? Which party is showing the most dynamism?

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:39:46 PM EST
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Here, I agree completely. The only other thing I would add is that not only is economic populism popular, it is good policy.

Andy Katz

by Andy Katz on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:22:38 PM EST
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meanwhile we are still stuck trying to win 1992.

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:54:51 PM EST
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sorry it took a while to respond, but I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. GOP is supposed to be a party that doesn't adapt. but it's the Dems who don't.

the Dems still think this is 1992 and that the country is clamoring for "free trade" and GOP-lite econ policies. They, as exemplified by Rahm Emanuel, are beholden too much to corporations to effectively change.

This is why I have always been hesitant about a Clinton II presidency.

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.

by jgarcia on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 06:08:18 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee (none / 0)

Incidentally- this is why Steve M below is also wrong. if he were right, this polling shouldn't be happening at all. That it is happening (if it bares out) is a sign that he is wrong. Well, that and Ron Paul. Also another sign of quick adaptation.

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:43:34 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee (none / 0)

I thought that a pretty popular sentiment on the blogs...

by yitbos96bb on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:22:55 PM EST
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No, they hint at it, and then call the GOP base terms like borg, top-down, getting their commands from centralized source, etc. I've been guilty of it even while respecting their ability to adapt.

More importantly, whatever A list bloggers believed before the election of 2006 is irrelevant to how they have reacted to the Congress and the presidential race after the election of 2006. The overly cautious, well now we can accept capitulation etc assumes we have time to grow into the midterm wins. Whereas this suggests- no- we do not have that luxury. We need to hit the ground running. There's been a great deal of hubris in that a) it doesnt matter because the dems will win in 2008 and b) that even if we win in 2008 they ignore our chances in 2010 and 2012 etc in terms of a GOP comeback.

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:53:06 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

Huckabee has no money and no connections in the Republican establishment. I cannot believe people are afraid of him just because he sounds folksy and populist. It takes more than that to win a national election!

Of course Huckabee could win Iowa, it's retail politics and he's got the ability to connect with cultural conservatives without a lot of money. But that formula doesn't apply on a national basis, and the Republican moneymen aren't simply going to drop a billion dollars on whoever wins Iowa.

I don't know who we should "worry" about on the Republican side but it sure ain't Huckabee.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:12:18 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

Two words to reduce your post about money to nothing: Ron Paul. Actually , more- if they are able to raise money as they go, then it doesn't matter what he has now.

by bruh21 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:16:03 PM EST
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I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

helps McCain. I think Huckabee will win Iowa, McCain will come in first or second in NH, he'll win SC, and then coast into the nomination. What a turn of events. Oh, and I predict he'll pick Huckabee as his running mate.

by bookgrl on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:17:36 PM EST
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Re: I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

You could very well be right. McCain seems to have support from the right people in the establishment, and he's certainly paid his dues to them. You can win the Republican nomination as an underdog, just not as an insurgent, and Huckabee is definitely an insurgent.

I'd actually be concerned about McCain in the general election, except that the war will murder him. If the Republicans are going to win, they need a candidate who can finesse the war.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:24:01 PM EST
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Re: I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

I'd actually be concerned about McCain in the general election, except that the war will murder him. If the Republicans are going to win, they need a candidate who can finesse the war.

Do you believe this is also true for Hillary Clinton, who has taken the same pro-Iraq War position as McCain?

by Will Graham on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:46:09 PM EST
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Re: I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

When? In 2002?

Hillary either has the right position on the war or she has finessed it flawlessly. Her position is broadly acceptable to the electorate. McCain, who wants to stay the course so the forces of islamofascism do not follow us home, cannot say the same.

Consider this fact. When my own candidate, Edwards, wants to distinguish his position on the war from Hillary's, what's the best he can do? Well, they'd both continue combat missions against terrorists in Iraq, but Edwards would do it with troops based outside Iraq, while Hillary would do it with troops based inside Iraq. While the difference is not meaningless, this is not the sort of thing that would lead the electorate to broadly reject one candidate but not the other.

Most Americans don't see the point in this war, if they ever did, and simply want it over with. All of the Democrats are close enough to that position that they will be fine. Some of the Republicans can get there, but certainly not McCain.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:53:06 PM EST
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Re: I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

If Hillary wins the nomination, she's going to immediately tack right on the issue of withdrawing troops from Iraq. Considering her past vocal support for the war, not to mention her vote in favor of it, I fear that when the dust has settled her re-positioning will look an awful lot like McCain's long-standing support. All he has to do is use Bush's line from the 2004 campaign ("I saw the same intelligence as my opponent and came to the same conclusion.") or some similar updated variation, and he will have muddied the waters enough to turn the Iraq War into a net-neutral at best for Hillary and the Dems.

by Will Graham on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:14:57 PM EST
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Re: I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

I do not understand why Hillary would feel the need to tack right, as Independents are in the exact same place as Democrats on the issue of wanting the war over. Only the hardcore Republicans want to stay in Iraq until the last dog dies.

Do you think it's necessary for the Democratic nominee to "tack right" on Iraq to win in the general election? If not, why the heck would Hillary ever want to do it?

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:19:49 PM EST
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Re: I agree completey, which is why I say this (none / 0)

I don't think it's necessary at all, but unfortunately keeping troops in Iraq "until we win" or "to prevent a civil war" (i.e. indefinitely) has become the consensus, safe CW among media and establishment elites. Hillary strikes me as a pretty risk-averse politician and, in my mind, not likely to go against the prevailing winds of DC's political establishment.

Obama and Edwards are probably more likely to go against the CW since their opposition to the war has been pretty clear for some time.

by Will Graham on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:45:34 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

I've been worried by Huckabee for awhile, as many have. I would never vote for him, but I can see him carrying Bush states easy. That's all it takes to get elected obviously. Might come down to Ohio...

Philly Liberal

by Airb330 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:16:42 PM EST

Huckabee (none / 0)

A win by Huckabee will probably ensure a Rudy nominee with him as V.P.

Romney has been playing this 'MO' game on early states for month. If somehow Huckabee pulls out a win in IA, I can't see Romney get any 'MO' from early states. Rudy will then reply on his national strength to clench the nominee.

Huckabee has no national presence, he won't play well in Tsunami states. He will be Rudy's V.P.

I bet Rudy/Thompson/McCain are working overdrive to ensure a Huckabee win in IA. Those folks won't win IA, but they may indeed have sufficient votes to deliver a victory to Huckabee.

by prisonbreak on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:18:59 PM EST

No, it helps McCain. You (none / 0)

are quite mistaken.

by bookgrl on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:20:10 PM EST
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Re: No, it helps McCain. You (none / 0)

No. McCain has no chance in hell to win this thing...

by prisonbreak on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:23:24 PM EST
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Re: No, it helps McCain. You (none / 0)

agreed. McCain is just not going to do it. Not even by a longshot.

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.

by jgarcia on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:25:37 PM EST
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You're completely wrong. (none / 0)

If he picks up the independents in NH, he can easily win SC. There are tons of military guys in SC and they like McCain. If he does well in NH and wins SC, he can win the whole thing. The GOP will look for someone other than Giuliani. Those social issues, and the fact that he was only ever an urban executive are killing him with more traditional republican voters.

by bookgrl on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:28:18 PM EST
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Re: You're completely wrong. (none / 0)

I think his time is past...

by prisonbreak on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:38:50 PM EST
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Re: You're completely wrong. (none / 0)

In 2000 McCain was thrashed in South Carolina following a huge win in New Hampshire. Why will 2008 be any different for him?

by Will Graham on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:51:14 PM EST
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Re: You're completely wrong. (none / 0)

The same establishment figures in South Carolina who backed Bush in 2000 are backing McCain this time. There's a relatively small number of Republican power brokers who seem to control the primary pretty effectively in that state.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:54:04 PM EST
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Re: You're completely wrong. (none / 0)

McCain was "thrashed" relative to Bush, but IIRC, he got around 43% of the vote. If he got anywhere close to that in a race with three or four candidates, that would be an easy win.

by Shawn on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:06:45 PM EST
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Re: You're completely wrong. (none / 0)

Actually, I think Huckabee will probably win in SC, but basically I agree with you bookgrl. The "money" wing of the party is going to settle on McCain after NH in order to try to beat Huckabee. After the first flush of primaries, Romney will be out after finishing second in IA and NH, RG will be mortally wounded, though still in the race, after poor showings in IA and NH, while McCain will win Mich and NH and probably FLA before the February 5th "national" primary.

Andy Katz

by Andy Katz on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:28:05 PM EST
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a new foxnews poll (none / 0)

Foxnews released a new poll.

Clinton 44(42)
Obama 23(25)
Edwards 12(13)

GE matchups. Generic ticket has now narrowed down to 9 points between dems and reps.

Clinton 47
Giuliani 43

by prisonbreak on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:43:38 PM EST

Re: a new foxnews poll (none / 0)

Why the pollsters including Charlie Cook are deluded about national polls is way beyond me!!

by Boilermaker on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:52:39 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

Ah! Huckabee! Run!

My nightmare is coming true.

by MNPundit on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:51:04 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

I posted this up near the top, but if we have a presidential candidate, who takes the fifty state strategy to heart, Huckabee will be forced to defend his name in the south, and he will not compete as heavily in the swing states, giving us the big win. If we have a presidential candidate who is willing to do that, we can not lose.

by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:07:14 PM EST
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Re: ARG: Huck And Mitt In Dead Heat In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

It's only ARG, dammit.

In the words of Joss Whedon, "Grrr. ARG."

by RT on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:30:03 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

One thing about Huckabee is that, according to an article I read, there is a lot of dirt on him from his time in office as Governor. I did not save the article, but I read a good one from a progressive reporter from Arkansas, who covered Mike when he served there. He said there is a LOT of graft in the form of using government funds for personal use and giving sweet heart deals for his friends. The article was on The American Prospect's web site, or maybe The Nation's.

Andy Katz

by Andy Katz on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:31:03 PM EST

Re: ARG: Huckabee And Romney In Dead Heat In Iowa (none / 0)

The most incriminating story about Huckabee is that of Wayne Dumond.

This is a guy who was convicted for raping a distant cousin of Bill Clinton's, who Mike Huckabee helped get out of jail at the urging of insane Clinton-haters, and who proceeded to go off to Missouri and kill another woman.

God save Huckabee if Wayne Dumond ever becomes a household word.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 04:39:24 PM EST
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I don't buy into the Huckabee fear (none / 0)

Yes I'd rather run against Romney, Thompson, and certainly with the latest revelations Giuliani, but Democrats are going to come in with such an advantage that I don't fear any of them. Huckabee is kind of blank slate right now, but no one's perfect. Things will be found that we can exploit.

And right now Huckabee has to win Iowa to the same extent Edwards does to have any shot. Romney can recover with a loss because he's doing so well in NH.

by Christopher Lib on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 06:57:50 PM EST

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