More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support the Dems Ticket

There is wonder and anger from Democrats all over at John Edwards refusal to say that he will support the Democratic Party if he is not chosen to be our Party's nominee for President.

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This began with a report in today's New York Times:

So how is John Edwards feeling about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York these days? So bad, apparently, that in an interview last week he twice refused to say whether he would endorse her should she win the Democratic presidential nomination.

It is a standard political question, which often comes with a standard answer. And it is highly unusual for a candidate to decline to answer whether he would ultimately support the party's nominee.

When asked the same question last week, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois did not hesitate.

"I am a Democrat, and I would support the Democratic nominee," he said. With a smile, he added, "I intend it to be me."

Neither did Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, who declared: "Of course. What's the choice, Rudy Giuliani?"

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The item in the Times led Sen. Chris Dodd (Conn.), who is also competing for the nomination, to criticize Edwards.

"I am surprised at just how angry John has become," Dodd stated. "This is not the same John Edwards I once knew. Of course, we should all come together to support the nominee. I wonder which of the Republicans John prefers to a Democrat?"

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From Greg Sargent at TPM:
Today at a press availability John Edwards was asked by reporters about his  refusal to say that he'd back Hillary for President if she wins the Democratic nomination. The Edwards camp has just emailed me his answer:

   "I fully expect to support the Democratic nominee, and I fully expect to be the Democratic nominee."

"I fully expect" to support the nominee -- not quite "I will support." It's more than, "I'm not willing to talk about that at this point," which is what he'd said earlier. But it's still not a full commitment to backing the Dem nominee.

But -- to all the commenters screaming "bias," please understand that the Edwards campaign sent us the above quote. They wanted us to post it.

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Edwards now says..."I fully expect to ".....

What the hades is with that?  Why couldnt he just say "I will?"

Explain the qualifier.  Its lame and insulting to all Dems.

We as a huge natiowide Party, made up of millions of voters select our nominee and we have the right to Demand that anyone who runs for office in our system -  supports our Party's choice!

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From the blog Urbangora:

John Edwards Imitating George Bush

There are times in the Democratic primary when I think John Edwards makes the most sense of any of the candidates and has effectively coupled a seriousness of purpose with an appropriate sense of outrage at the status quo. Then there are other times where I find him just plain annoying. Two recent moves by Edwards fall in the latter category.

The first is his refusal to promise to support Hillary if she becomes the nominee. When asked about this, he said, "I'm not willing to talk about that at this point."

This is profoundly irritating. There is an extent to which both Edwards and Obama ought to be going after Hillary, but it falls far, far short of the point that you start questioning whether you will support the Democratic nominee. Not only does this make the Democratic Party look far more divided than it actually is or should be, but it makes Edwards look incredibly petty.

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From The Carpetbagger Report:

In any presidential primary, candidates are routinely asked whether they would back their party's eventual nominee, no matter who gets the nod. As a rule, it should be an easy one -- anyone who wants to lead the party's presidential ticket should obviously want to support the party's eventual nominee.

That's disappointing.

I suspect this is an extension of Edwards recent criticism of Clinton's campaign. He's been going after her quite a bit, and by hedging on this question, Edwards seems to be saying that Clinton is so problematic as a nominee, he may not even be able to endorse her after the primaries.

But that's really the wrong attitude to take here. At some point, party unity has to mean something. It's fine to take on your rivals, but at the end of the day, Democrats have to be willing to support Democrats. The alternative is Joe Lieberman.

Dems have to believe, particularly in this climate, that any Democratic candidate would better serve the nation than any Republican candidate. That Edwards' hostility for Clinton has reached the point that this is no longer clear is not a good sign.

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SIGN...indeed (none / 0)

"There is wonder and anger from Democrats all over at John Edwards refusal to say that he will support the Democratic Party if he is not chosen to be our Party's nominee for President."

No there's not.

I'm not angry about it. I wont vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. But I will for Edwards if he ends up being the nominee. However, I expect Barack Obama to be the nominee. I have the right to feel this way and Edwards has that right too.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:22:00 PM EST

Re: SIGN...indeed (none / 0)

What are you going to do vote for the Repug or sit it out? After thousands of people died during the Civil Rights Era for the our right to vote, you say you won't vote? To say you won't for Hillary if she is the nominee is FUCKING stupid.


by lonnette33 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:25:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SIGN...indeed (none / 0)

Ha Ha Ha Ha


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:34:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

thats funny to you? (2.00 / 1)

 #$%^x#$%680ngt6%$^&)_$%^&  

-self-edited by diarist for foulest language -


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:50:27 PM EST
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Re: thats funny to you? (none / 0)

Yes,

I find it hilarious when people try to play the Civil Rights guilt trip on me as if just because I'm Black, I owe my soul to the Democratic Party and must vote for Hillary just because she has a D on the end of her name.

So, yeah.

Ha Ha Ha Ha !


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:21:45 PM EST
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Re: thats funny to you? (2.00 / 1)

You're missing one thing Blue, I'm Black too. Get over yourself.


by lonnette33 on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 04:22:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I didnt know you were black, and no one cares (none / 0)

except for maybe Michelle Obama.

-re-posted cause some sob censor removed it! itt was a joke aabout her statement this week.  lighten up !-


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 04:49:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll vote for whichever Dem is chosen by my Party (2.00 / 1)

see how easy it is?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:31:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'll vote for whichever Dem is chosen by my Pa (none / 0)

You say a whole lot of things with ease which other people say with reservation.


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:20:53 AM EST
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damn straight! (none / 0)

freedom baby!

and many want free speech banned here at mydd -

F them!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:11:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

maybe not here in neetroot land (none / 0)

but in the real world...look around - use your google...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:33:07 PM EST
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Re: SIGN...indeed (2.00 / 1)

I disagree.  Edwards does not have that right, not if he's running for President as a Democrat. It's the duty of any of these folks to support the nominee of the party, and that goes for all of them.  If you're so petty you can't support the party's nominee, then you should be running as an independent.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:34:57 PM EST
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Yes you will (none / 0)

you will get over all of this primary silliness and you will vote for Clinton and wonder why you ever said anything so stupid.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:54:41 PM EST
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Its THE ISSUE all over! (none / 0)

I didnt even look anywhere but the NY Times till an hour ago.  But do a google search....its everywhere.  Dems are pissed!

Edwards is gonna get hammered on this Thursday night!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:25:55 PM EST

Bullshit (none / 0)

this is a non-issue

Only morons are worried.


by dataguy on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 09:21:38 AM EST
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you seem to be mighty worried yourself (none / 0)

why else would you have commented 55 times over this?

would that mean you are a ....

mo·ron

Etymology:
    irregular from Greek mōros foolish, stupid

1usually offensive : a mildly mentally retarded person2: a very stupid person


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:17:48 AM EST
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Re: Non issue.....move along. (none / 0)


by santamonicadem on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:59:15 PM EST

Wait till Thursday... (none / 0)

and he just gained the intense animus of many serious dem activists nationwide...not the netrooters - the gotv crews...the fighters...the yellow dogs...

especially the union guys like me.

worse and dumbest thing hes done since flying out one of your La-La land "stylists" to give him those  expensive "DOOs"...

it wont be forgiven or forgotten by many.

and we sure as hell dont care that you dont care.

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go back to your - aide plants question hysteria..


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:15:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More on Edwards (none / 0)

Is anyone really surprised over it- he's as low as it gets.  What is really funny though is if Hillary got the nomination and asked him to be her VP, it would take him about two seconds to say 'yes.'


by reasonwarrior on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:37:32 PM EST

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL (none / 0)

I vote for progressives, not just Dems.  I've also made it clear to my local community, friends and family that I will not support Hillary is she is the nominee as she does not hold positions, nor do I believe she'll advocate for true movement in key progressive areas - healthcare, environment, get us out of Iraq, avoid war with other countries.

I also believe she'll hurt other progressives in 2008 and 2010.  The right will turn out in force in both elections if she's on the ticket.  

So, I support Edwards' position.  Now, his declaring this could present some challenges, but I believe he can explain this comment without suffering damage.  In my opinion, in contrast to yours, I think this will be a non-issue, unless the mainstream media decide to use this as more meaningless fodder for a negative-Edwards campaign.


Be a Jan fan! Schakowsky for US Senate.
by passionateprogressive on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:57:40 PM EST

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

Holden, why don't you just get off your high horse. Edwards said he will support the Democratic nominee and that he expects to be the nominee. Thats not at all saying he won't support Clinton.

Personally I'll vote for Clinton but won't organize for her machine. I'll work for any other Democrat.


by desmoulins on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:10:09 PM EST

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

from TPM since you didntt seem to read the post:

"I fully expect" to support the nominee -- not quite "I will support." It's more than, "I'm not willing to talk about that at this point," which is what he'd said earlier. But it's still not a full commitment to backing the Dem nominee.

But -- to all the commenters screaming "bias," please understand that the Edwards campaign sent us the above quote. They wanted us to post it.

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HIGH HORSSE?  

Youd rather we stay focused on stories about how a AIDE  may have suggested questions once or twice while she has spoken att hundreds and hundreds of events or whether an AIDE left a tip at a diner or not?

Oh yeah those things just PROVE WHAT A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT HILLARY WOULD BE... right?

Your just tryin to be fair...uh huh...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:35:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Holden (none / 0)

do you ever just respond to what the commenter says, and not just the shit u make up?  Get a grip. At times, you really seem deranged.  Your behavior here, making wild, unsupported claims doesn't do anythign for your client.  Are you even a Democrat, because you act more like a despotic republican.  


by santamonicadem on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 12:23:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Holden (none / 0)

John Edwards Has Stepped Over the Line

Posted November 13, 2007 | 12:57 PM (EST)
The following piece was produced for HuffPost's OffTheBus.

I seldom criticize a fellow Democrat publicly, but John Edwards' recent attacks against Hillary Clinton have gone way over the line. In particular I'm talking about his response to the "question planting" incident in Iowa. If there is anyone in the blogosphere who hasn't heard about it, a Clinton staffer urged a college student to ask Senator Clinton a generic question about global warming. After investigating, the Clinton campaign acknowledged that in fact one staffer did ask one student to ask one absolutely innocuous question.

   * Email
    * Print
    * Comment

The Edwards campaign has taken this incident out of context and spun it into something diabolical. The issue here isn't nastiness. The issue is Edwards' sudden lapse into hypocrisy. I've worked on a lot of New Hampshire campaigns. They are the closest thing to an Iowa campaign. All sorts of unexpected things happen at campaign events. Candidates are at the mercy of grandstanders, bird-doggers, You-Tubers, agenda obsessed zealots, the criminally insane and Lyndon Larouche's cult of youthful zombies. All of which makes a controlled event impossible unless you run one like a fortress a la George Bush. I've protested outside a Bush event and its martial law all the way. John Edwards knows all of this.

John Edwards also knows that campaign staffers are young, enthusiastic, overworked and underpaid. Often they get caught up in playing hero when their candidate comes to town. That's a lot more fun than canvassing and phone banking. They want to do something wonderful for their candidate. Instead they do something stupid. A staffer might conceivably see a pretty girl and try to impress her with feigned access to his candidate. It's all happened at one time or another.

Retail campaigning is nuts. That's why it's so much fun, and that's why you won't see a top tier candidate capitalize on opponents' staffers' mistakes very often in a primary. There is an unwritten code for good reason --it can happen to anybody. Blowing an isolated incident out of proportion is disingenuous by default.

John Edwards has not only ignored the code. In his efforts to sully the character of Hillary Clinton, he has stooped to deception. It's working. Hundreds of bloggers nationwide are amplifying this right now. From Daily Kos to Blue New Hampshire you can see the same cut and paste thread. And thousands of Hillary-bashing Democrats are using language that should be reserved for the likes of Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Tom Delay, Dick Cheney and George Bush.

Ah, but that's the frame:

Hillary is just like George Bush! Planting questions at a rally proves it!

John Edwards got the ball rolling himself with this line to reporters in Iowa:

"George Bush goes to events that are staged, where people are screened, where they're only allowed to ask questions if the questions are favorable to George Bush."

Then Senator Edwards' Communications Director Chris Kofinis included this gem in a press release: "It appears the Clinton campaign has adopted a new strategy of planting questions,"

That's what I find hypocritical. Edwards is using a classic Karl Rove technique of character destruction here. Guilt by association. He's also taking an isolated incident --one out of hundreds of campaign events--and turned it into Clinton policy.

What isn't isolated is the Edwards campaign's willingness to capitalize on Hillary bashing. I've watched this coming for a long time. I get a lot of e-mails back channel and read the blogs and there has never been a muffler on the anti-Hillary rants amongst some of Edwards' troops.

I also saw Edwards attack Hillary Clinton at the first Democratic Debate held here in June at St. Anselm College. I was there live. Following the debate I wrote, " None of the big three hurt themselves in my opinion. Edwards did risk taking some jabs at Hillary. It made me just a little uncomfortable, but he got away with it I think."

I find all of this pretty disappointing. I've met John Edwards face to face on a number of occasions. I've seen him speak many times. He is eloquent, especially on the issue of poverty. I've liked him since the 2004 campaign when I was a very active volunteer with Howard Dean. If I hadn't have worked for Dean I would have worked for Senator Edwards. Some very close friends of mine are working for him here in New Hampshire and I helped them out at one large Edwards event on a very cold day last January. I know that he is a sincere and good man and I know that he is in a make or break situation in Iowa .

But Senator Edwards and attack dog bloggers should think twice right now. As this stuff makes the rounds of the Internet they are creating rifts that will carry over into the general election. Another uniter turns into a divider.

This could be John Edward's legacy if he isn't careful.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:05:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Shit, shit and more shit (none / 0)

You can take a shit diary and repeat it, but it remains shit, and anyone who pats up shit ends up smelling like shit.

You stink like shit at this point.


by dataguy on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:39:50 PM EST

the opnions above arent mine (none / 0)

theyre from other dems all over the net- this is thee worse thing for Johnnie since the $400 hair-doos...gonnaa kill him with the labor gotv crowd!

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heres some more for aa

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John Edwards Has Stepped Over the Line

Posted November 13, 2007 | 12:57 PM (EST)

The following piece was produced for HuffPost's OffTheBus.

Producer's Note: The author of this essay is a fixture in the New Hampshire Democratic scene, and a highly regarded grassroots activist in the state. He is supporting Sen. Hillary Clinton in the NH Primary.

I seldom criticize a fellow Democrat publicly, but John Edwards' recent attacks against Hillary Clinton have gone way over the line. In particular I'm talking about his response to the "question planting" incident in Iowa. If there is anyone in the blogosphere who hasn't heard about it, a Clinton staffer urged a college student to ask Senator Clinton a generic question about global warming. After investigating, the Clinton campaign acknowledged that in fact one staffer did ask one student to ask one absolutely innocuous question.

   * Email
    * Print
    * Comment

The Edwards campaign has taken this incident out of context and spun it into something diabolical. The issue here isn't nastiness. The issue is Edwards' sudden lapse into hypocrisy. I've worked on a lot of New Hampshire campaigns. They are the closest thing to an Iowa campaign. All sorts of unexpected things happen at campaign events. Candidates are at the mercy of grandstanders, bird-doggers, You-Tubers, agenda obsessed zealots, the criminally insane and Lyndon Larouche's cult of youthful zombies. All of which makes a controlled event impossible unless you run one like a fortress a la George Bush. I've protested outside a Bush event and its martial law all the way. John Edwards knows all of this.

John Edwards also knows that campaign staffers are young, enthusiastic, overworked and underpaid. Often they get caught up in playing hero when their candidate comes to town. That's a lot more fun than canvassing and phone banking. They want to do something wonderful for their candidate. Instead they do something stupid. A staffer might conceivably see a pretty girl and try to impress her with feigned access to his candidate. It's all happened at one time or another.

Retail campaigning is nuts. That's why it's so much fun, and that's why you won't see a top tier candidate capitalize on opponents' staffers' mistakes very often in a primary. There is an unwritten code for good reason --it can happen to anybody. Blowing an isolated incident out of proportion is disingenuous by default.

John Edwards has not only ignored the code. In his efforts to sully the character of Hillary Clinton, he has stooped to deception. It's working. Hundreds of bloggers nationwide are amplifying this right now. From Daily Kos to Blue New Hampshire you can see the same cut and paste thread. And thousands of Hillary-bashing Democrats are using language that should be reserved for the likes of Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Tom Delay, Dick Cheney and George Bush.

Ah, but that's the frame:

Hillary is just like George Bush! Planting questions at a rally proves it!

John Edwards got the ball rolling himself with this line to reporters in Iowa:

"George Bush goes to events that are staged, where people are screened, where they're only allowed to ask questions if the questions are favorable to George Bush."

Then Senator Edwards' Communications Director Chris Kofinis included this gem in a press release: "It appears the Clinton campaign has adopted a new strategy of planting questions,"

That's what I find hypocritical. Edwards is using a classic Karl Rove technique of character destruction here. Guilt by association. He's also taking an isolated incident --one out of hundreds of campaign events--and turned it into Clinton policy.

What isn't isolated is the Edwards campaign's willingness to capitalize on Hillary bashing. I've watched this coming for a long time. I get a lot of e-mails back channel and read the blogs and there has never been a muffler on the anti-Hillary rants amongst some of Edwards' troops.

I also saw Edwards attack Hillary Clinton at the first Democratic Debate held here in June at St. Anselm College. I was there live. Following the debate I wrote, " None of the big three hurt themselves in my opinion. Edwards did risk taking some jabs at Hillary. It made me just a little uncomfortable, but he got away with it I think."

I find all of this pretty disappointing. I've met John Edwards face to face on a number of occasions. I've seen him speak many times. He is eloquent, especially on the issue of poverty. I've liked him since the 2004 campaign when I was a very active volunteer with Howard Dean. If I hadn't have worked for Dean I would have worked for Senator Edwards. Some very close friends of mine are working for him here in New Hampshire and I helped them out at one large Edwards event on a very cold day last January. I know that he is a sincere and good man and I know that he is in a make or break situation in Iowa .

But Senator Edwards and attack dog bloggers should think twice right now. As this stuff makes the rounds of the Internet they are creating rifts that will carry over into the general election. Another uniter turns into a divider.

This could be John Edward's legacy if he isn't careful.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:10:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

As the saying goes (none / 0)

"You can call it George for all I care.  I says it's spinach, and I ain't eatin' it."


by dataguy on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:41:17 PM EST

Correcting my quote (none / 0)

"I says it's spinach, and I says to hell with it."


by dataguy on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:42:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

All this screeching about how "I fully expect" somehow constitutes weasel words reminds me of the people who will argue that Hillary is engaging in all sorts of doubletalk because she doesn't use the exact words they demand she use.

Yeah, he could say "I will support" instead of "I fully expect to support."  Means the exact same thing to me.  If people want to freak out over the difference, I sure can't stop them, but I think it's stupid.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:08:26 AM EST

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)


from TPM :

"I fully expect" to support the nominee -- not quite "I will support." It's more than, "I'm not willing to talk about that at this point," which is what he'd said earlier. But it's still not a full commitment to backing the Dem nominee.

But -- to all the commenters screaming "bias," please understand that the Edwards campaign sent us the above quote. They wanted us to post it.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:17:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

Edwards will support the Democratic nominee.  He said he would.  Screech all you want about how his word choice isn't to your liking, he still said it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 02:07:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

they chosse thee seconnd group of words carefully (none / 0)

o roll for votes...if you cant see this fine...no one pulls his hurt down on themselves for nothing.

i was in the nytimes this morn for crissakes...

and yes,I screamed cause I wanted to make noise about this, but it seems I didnt need to cause many other high profile places did too, so a dust up here att lil ok' myDD ws unecessary...

but i did really piss me off.

I take it the 2000 elections didnt turn your life upside down.  It did mine.  Ill never forgive those who abandoned us for Gore. Party loyalty tthis time is an absolute.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 02:31:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: they chosse thee seconnd group of words carefu (none / 0)

this laptop sticks - please add missing Ts to the above.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 02:32:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: they chosse thee seconnd group of words carefu (none / 0)

The 2000 election made a huge difference to everyone in America.  That's still not a reason to pretend Edwards is the second coming of Nader when he's not.  The man is going to support the Democratic nominee.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 02:55:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I found a quote from YOU, Holden, my dear friend. (none / 0)

"Party loyalty this time is an absolute."

Does that mean you will vote for John Edwards if he is the nominee?  Yes or no?

For the record, I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever he or SHE may be.


The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.
by CLLGADEM on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:11:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

from TPM :

"I fully expect" to support the nominee -- not quite "I will support." It's more than, "I'm not willing to talk about that at this point," which is what he'd said earlier. But it's still not a full commitment to backing the Dem nominee.

But -- to all the commenters screaming "bias," please understand that the Edwards campaign sent us the above quote. They wanted us to post it.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:18:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

he is trolling for those naderies and haters (none / 0)

who say they will never vote for hill - thats why his correction was what it was...

but believe what you wish.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:22:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Political correct bullshit (none / 0)

As a society, we do not believe in chanting magic words.

yet this diarist seems to believe that unless you say the magic word in HIS/HER order, you are Ralph Nader.

What about inflection?  What about thought control?

This is all bullshit.  Hillary supporters are getting nervous, because Her Inevitabilityness is not entirely inevitable at this point.  Makes a Hillary-bot nervous.


by dataguy on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 09:24:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

i enjoy beating up on you hillary haters (none / 0)

it has nothing to do with anything else but pleasure...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:21:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I won't support Hillary either (none / 0)

Thank you John Edwards for standing up. You are aligned with my thinking.

Standing up for what is right.


by yann123 on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:26:28 AM EST

he aint here (none / 0)

and he'll be long gone very soon

feb 5 - bu-bye!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:34:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

and neither will you (none / 0)

you won be missed...

hen his will be...

myDDailyHillary...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:37:28 AM EST
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Re: and neither will you (none / 0)


you wont be missed...

then this will be...

myDDailyHillary...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:38:30 AM EST
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Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

I'd vote for her, but I wouldn't say I'd support Hillary.  And I certainly wouldn't be eager to admit it publicly.  The Lord invented the secret ballot for circumstances just such as Hillary Clinton.  None would know I'd cast my ballot for her unless they were to listen closely for the quiet grunts, groans, and prayers for divine strength emanating from within my booth.


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:26:47 AM EST

A LOT of people are with you (none / 0)

There is tremendous social pressure to support Her Inevitabilityness, and many who publicly support her will vote for others.

Her support is a mile wide and a milimeter deep.  


by dataguy on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 09:26:27 AM EST
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pure fantasy... (none / 0)

you are sooooooo scared of what's comin' ain't you?

you were sooooooo SURE that you were right on this, but now you know....KNOW...that you were wrong....oh you....

poor, poor baby.....whaaaah!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:25:46 AM EST
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Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

Don't where where you are from Holden, but I doubt it is the South. I asked my sister in Lexington KY about this "fully" stuff...she says "it is a total commitment."
Go review basic the basic semantics of of denotation and connotation..and sprinkle in a little regional spice.

Hey, on Thursday, it will be about real issues.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 09:57:26 AM EST

one issue is (none / 0)

Party loyalty


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:28:51 AM EST
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Re: More on Edwards REFUSAL to Say He WILL Support (none / 0)

he should have just answered the same way everyone else has the FIRST TIME around.  This just feeds into his angry meme.  Bad move


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 12:23:44 PM EST

ttheyre trying to be slick and troll for naderites (none / 0)

with this insult to her.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 12:37:58 PM EST
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let me guess...your an Edwards guy huh? (none / 0)

so surprising...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:21:28 PM EST


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