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Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary?

by Todd Beeton, Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:07:56 PM EST

Between campaign appearances last week, as he rode through eastern Iowa in his campaign van, Mr. Edwards declined to answer whether he would support Mrs. Clinton.

"I'm not willing to talk about that at this point," he said, waiting silently until the next question was asked.

Not willing to talk about it? Why? Is contemplating the mere prospect of a Clinton presidency somehow going to make it so? Is he afraid of jinxing himself? Because his rhetoric has consistently been of a proud partisan, of someone I always thought would both support the Democratic nominee over the Republican every time, but also extol the virtue of doing so. Call Democrats to rally around the nominee, even before he or she has been determined. And I always thought it was Barack Obama who was the less comfortable with the partisan language, yet it is he who, when asked the same question, said:

"I am a Democrat, and I would support the Democratic nominee," he said. With a smile, he added, "I intend it to be me."

Or Biden who stated the obvious.

...Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, who declared: "Of course. What's the choice, Rudy Giuliani?"

So what's the problem, Senator Edwards? Does Hillary Clinton really offend to such a degree that it pains you to pledge to support the nominee of your own party? And I guess I would ask the same of everyone here who would have the same reticence. Will you pledge to support Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee of the party and if not why? Take the poll in the comments.

Update [2007-11-13 14:41:57 by Todd Beeton]:Edwards was asked the question again and his answer was still equivocal although better (h/t TPM):

"I fully expect to support the Democratic nominee, and I fully expect to be the Democratic nominee."

Is Larry Craig advising him now or what?

Poll

Votes: 60
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Tags: 2008 presidential election, Democratic primary, john edwards, hillary clinton, barack obama (all tags)

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Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

I'll start it off with a yes.

by Todd Beeton on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:09:01 PM EST

maybe he's worried about this (none / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USyKCDSfc Rs&eurl=http://www.mydd.com/story/20 07/11/13/12443/570

McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions

by TarHeel on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:16:27 PM EST
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Going off on a tangent (none / 0)

But after seeing that clip, I find it amusing that Lieberman is now being courted to run against the Clintons. I have no doubt that Lieberman would gladly do so.

by magster on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:31:03 PM EST
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II KNEW you were NOT a Democrat! (none / 0)

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:32:33 PM EST
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Is he tthinking about running as an Independentt? (none / 0)

DEMOCRATS SUPPORT OUR PARTY - ALWAYS!

ALWAYS

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:31:08 PM EST
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What if our party is wrong? n/t (none / 0)

by MNPundit on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:16:17 PM EST
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elect the republicans? (none / 0)

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:24:06 PM EST
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It often is (none / 0)

Unfortunately, our choice is binary, not infinite. Here's my take:

Democrats - definitely don't represent ME or MY POSITIONS. However, I can live with them.

Republicans - utterly inimical to me, all my values, my life, and everything that I stand for. They are The Enemy, and must be defeated.

That's an easy choice.

by Trickster on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:40:52 PM EST
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if you think you get to pick and choose (none / 0)

your an independent.

get it?

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:04:55 PM EST
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No (2.00 / 1)

I consider myself a Democrat and, in answer to the poll question above, I would absolutely support Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee.

HOWEVER, being a Democrat doesn't mean you have to vote the straight party ticket. In fact, I can't stand the morons who don't bother to educate themselves on the issues and the candidates and make honest selections, and blindly just check all of the "D" or "R" boxes.

Most of the time, after reviewing all of the candidates, I end up voting for all Democrats. Sometimes, someone corrupt sneaks in and gets nominated by our party. I will not vote for a corrupt politician, regardless of party. Sometimes, especially in local races (like, county commissioners or whatever), a Republican or independent might be legitimately more qualified and have better ideas. I feel I'm justified in choosing not to support the Democrat.

I support good government first, the Democratic Party second. Most of the time, there's never a conflict, and the Democrats are the best choices for our country. But sometimes, when there is a conflict, I choose to pick the best person for the job, even if that means breaking with the party.

So, am I a Democrat? I think that I am.

Walberg Watch - Following Radical Conservative Rep. Tim Walberg in MI-07

by Fitzy on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:22:56 PM EST
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Youre what we IN THE PARTY (none / 0)

system...define as a "strong dem leaning independent".

Thats what you are, It doesnt matter how many words you writee about your feelings about this.

We have primary systems to choose our candidates....its not a cafeteria, where you get to pick and choose...we fight amongst ourselves to select our nominee...and then we fight together to support our Partys ticket.

You dont have to do this, butt then that choice would make you an "Independent"

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:52:12 PM EST
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Re: Youre what we IN THE PARTY (none / 0)

Sigh...

This is a really fruitless discussion between the two of you.

And Holden, your idea of the democratic party reminds me of... a very undemocratic party.

The democratic party isnt a party where you give up to vote your conscience just by checking "D" on the voter registration form.

The democratic party isnt a party where you pledge to vote "D" whatever the choices.

Just by voting once or a few times for a non democrat or abstaining to vote doesnt mean you are an independent. It just means you have your own brain and are using it.

Whoever considers himself a democrat, is a democrat. Its not you to decide who is a democrat.

What would indeed be very wrong, is that someone running in apartys primary, loosing the primary and then running as an independent.

But John Edwards is no Joe Lieberman!

by MarcTGFG on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:41:41 PM EST
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whats with you people? (1.00 / 1)

what dont you understand about the word 'Independent"?

look up and notice that TWENTY FIVE % of the folks in this poll said that they would not...

God - thick headed pain in the neck Naderite PINOs - GOD DAMN!

What the hell do you think we hold Primaries for - so you can say....nh...Im going my own way?

that means your "I" not a "D".

JEEZE!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 07:29:03 PM EST
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Why on earth would he pledge to... (2.00 / 1)

support someone who mostly likely (certainly) planted stories about him in the enquirer. That would be a HELL to the NO.

It's an election, not an auction.

by cosbo on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:36:25 PM EST
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ANOTHER NON DEM FOR EDWARDS!.. (2.00 / 1)

and you have no proof of that you false and foolish Naderite!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:41:47 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (1.50 / 2)

EXCUSE ME? Edwards supporters are showing their true, shameful, colors.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:59 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

Ditto for Clinton supporters. 'Oh no, someone said disparaging against hillary! Better make a deal out of it! C'mon 81st keyboard brigade!'

by apolitik on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:43:01 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

No, he stated "HELL NO" to the question whether he would vote for Clinton or not. That goes well beyond a "disparaging comment."

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:02:31 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

Wow....did I see a hell anywhere? Nope.

by apolitik on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:05:21 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

You didn't? Here is the quote:

"support someone who mostly likely (certainly) planted stories about him in the enquirer. That would be a HELL to the NO."

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:48:36 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

linkage needed.

by apolitik on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:38:59 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

You probably mistook my comment. I was referring to a poster upthread a bit.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:50:22 PM EST
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this is about Party loyalty (none / 0)

something you naderitess wouldnt understand!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:06:32 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

You and Holden are very, very quick to disparage any Edwards or Obama supporter who refuses to pledge to support Hillary. They're a bunch of shameful Naderites, you tell them.

Here's a comment from yesterday from the most visible Clinton supporter on this site.

I will try everything I can to derail Obama in primary. Should unexpected happens, I will do everything in my power to derail his chance in GE. I will never tolerate a fraud propped by the MSM who's using one race against another, using one generation against another.

Obama, an empty suit, is George W. Bush on steroid.

Where were you guys?

I see comments like this all the time, directed at both Obama and Edwards.

Where are the Clinton supporters, who today are so eager to make sure everyone swears a loyalty oath? Why does it not set off a single alarm bell for you when a Clinton supporter says they wouldn't support Obama or Edwards?

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:59:08 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

I can't speak for others, but I sure will support whoever the nominee is. That is what this nomination process is all about in the first place. We look at all candidates and decide which one, on balance, is the one we want. Heck, this is the longest vetting process I can personally remember, so after this is over we sure will have gotten a lot of info.

If Clinton is asked that same question I expect her to answer in a strong affirmative without hesitating, EVEN if one might think that as the frontrunner she should not have to, or that she would open herself up to the theme that she may have a lot of doubt about herself winning the nomination, or some such nonsense. This is about an affirmation to the party and its ongoing fight vs. the GOP, has really nothing to do with the primary itself.

I disagree with the comment that Obama or Edwards should be derailed in the GE. Had I seen that comment, I would have told the poster so.

BTW, I never tell Obama or Edwards supporters that they are a "bunch of Naderites." I am surprised you make that claim. Maybe you can find one such quote, since you are attributing those comments to me? I sincerely hope that you were joking or meant someone else, since I never use the term Naderites or PINO or whatever else you think you have seen.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:10:07 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

I addressed you and Holden collectively, as I think my comment makes clear. While the two of you use different language, the point is the same: you have a big problem with Edwards and Obama supporters who won't pledge to support Hillary, but no apparent problem with Clinton supporters who won't pledge to support Edwards or Obama if they win the nomination.

Just once, I want to see one of you guys call out your fellow Clinton supporters and tell them they're bad Democrats if they won't support the party's eventual nominee. Just once.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:12:59 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

I have in the past. Multiple times. I will do so again: Anyone who does not vote for the eventual Democratic nominee is not really a Democrat, in my book.

I don't think you should get into the habit of posting collectively for several posters at the same time. I don't call people names like Naderites or PINO's, even though I LIVED through the horrors of the Naderites (took 3 weeks off work to work full-time for Gore's GOTV Florida operation, because of the mockery I have seen Naderites make out of the Democratic nomination process and then after the Gore nomination was decided) and I see the same exact crap develop again now.

On your point: IMHO the opposite seems to be true, actually. Most Edwards supporters have no problem seeing many in their midst affirming that Clinton is unsupportable (like cosbo here, also seen by many others - heck, look at the poll itself which shows it) on a daily basis and never say a single word about it, but they go after Clinton supporters for the SAME thing and have plenty of outrage THEN. Maybe the same applies there? Just once I would like to see such outrage dished out equally, not selectively. Just once.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:30:24 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

Well, I trust you'll agree that I'm not guilty of that sort of selective targeting, as I've called out more Hillary-haters than I can count. Fortunately, this animus I see so much of in the blogosphere really doesn't seem to translate into the wider electorate.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:02:48 PM EST
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ive only seen it once (none / 0)

and so ive only denounced it once...but...if you see it again...you may denounce it with THE HARSHEST TERMS in my name and I will be obliged...

I HAVE VOTED IN EVERY TWO YEAR ELECTION IN MY LIFE ANDE I HAVE VOED DEM FOR EVERY OFFICE BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IM EVER VOTING FOR ANY REPUBLICAN EVER!

Unless they somehow clone Abe Lincoln...

plus, I dont pull the big lever, I pull all the little ones, one by one , in order to make it more emphatic how I feel...

I even voted for that midget dukakis after he slimed and destroyed my neighbor and Senator and personal hero, Joe biden. Ii didnt let my personal animus get in the way of my DUTY AS A CITIZEN!

Hell, Bloom Countys Bill the Katt had a write in campaign going on in Austin, tX where I was att school - do you think I didnt wanna vote for him!?

AACK!!

Thats why I hate self indulgent Naderittes soooo much. NONEe of them are to the left of me bucko - that you canbe sure of. As a great labor priest once said of dear Ma, nobodys to the left of me except for Jesus himself...

The question always is - in this two Partty system and state - which side are you on?

I know wha side Im on Stteveo, dont you need worry yourself about MY LOYALTIES!

Butt I think you should question those of a man who can only say that he "INTENDS TO" support the only Party that defends working Americans!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:34:00 PM EST
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i didnt see that...and I denounce it 100% (none / 0)

again, Ii will support any candidate chosen because I support my Party always...

See - I didnt say "I intend to"....I said "I would and I will"

How frigging hard is that?

Everyone should be madder than a peach orchard boar about this...

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:13:15 PM EST
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Re: i didnt see that...and I denounce it 100% (none / 0)

There are lots of comments along these lines about Edwards and Obama.

I'd really like to see you berate prisonbreak and follow him around the site calling him a Naderite the same way you go after some of these other people.

The expectation of loyalty oaths seems to flow only in one direction.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:16:27 PM EST
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i dont and wont follow anyone around the site.... (none / 0)

and if party loyalty means nothing to you maybe thats part of the reason and problem why you still havent been able to decide who you support even though you care enough about these things to spend time at a website like this!

What? You have issues with commitment?

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:39:17 PM EST
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Re: i dont and wont follow anyone around the site. (none / 0)

Party loyalty means plenty to me... well, at least at the national level. I don't go around telling people they have to support whoever their local Democratic machine puts up for school board, or what have you. An awful lot of Democrats voted for Mike Bloomberg to be the mayor of this fine town and while the man is a putz in many ways, I'm not prepared to tell all those thousands of folks that they're bad Democrats.

As for my support, I've always thought Edwards is our best candidate for 2008 and I'm not particularly shy about that. Perhaps the reason why you're confused as to my support is that unlike virtually everyone else here, I have no serious problem with any of our candidates. I think they're all good people.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:53:03 PM EST
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i just was mad at ya...but... (none / 0)

"An awful lot of Democrats voted for Mike Bloomberg to be the mayor..."

is bogus...

a lot of fine dem leaning independents - yes -

Democrats, no.

And next time - vote for my pal Anthony Weiner - he'd be a wicked fun mayor....

The victory parties alone - and i mean plural -would make it worth your while...

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 07:36:28 PM EST
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Re: i didnt see that...and I denounce it 100% (none / 0)

ive only seen it once

and so ive only denounced it once...but...if you see it again...you may denounce it with THE HARSHEST TERMS in my name and I will be obliged...

I HAVE VOTED IN EVERY TWO YEAR ELECTION IN MY LIFE ANDE I HAVE VOED DEM FOR EVERY OFFICE BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IM EVER VOTING FOR ANY REPUBLICAN EVER!

Unless they somehow clone Abe Lincoln...

plus, I dont pull the big lever, I pull all the little ones, one by one , in order to make it more emphatic how I feel...

I even voted for that midget dukakis after he slimed and destroyed my neighbor and Senator and personal hero, Joe biden. Ii didnt let my personal animus get in the way of my DUTY AS A CITIZEN!

Hell, Bloom Countys Bill the Katt had a write in campaign going on in Austin, tX where I was att school - do you think I didnt wanna vote for him!?

AACK!!

The question always is - in this two Partty system and state - which side are you on?

I know wha side Im on Stteveo, dont you need worry yourself about MY LOYALTIES!

Butt I think you should question those of a man who can only say that he "INTENDS TO" support the only Party that defends working Americans!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:56:05 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

i find the anti-obama post you refer to to be pretty despicable and counterproductive. i feel that some people are going into self-destruct mode and forgetting that even your less-than-favorite democratic administration would beat the pants off any republican.

by bluedavid on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:19:02 PM EST
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I will votte for any of tthem (none / 0)

and end up in Pa doing GOTV To drag out the vote for the last two -three weeks like I always do.

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:42:02 PM EST
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I will votte for any of tthem (none / 0)

and end up in Pa doing GOTV To drag out the vote for the last two -three weeks like I always do.

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:42:48 PM EST
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Re: Why on earth would he pledge to... (none / 0)

Senator Edwards answer the question!
Do you swear never to criticize Hillary?
Don't you agree that you cannot win the nomination?
Please state that Hillary is the best candidate running.
Do you pledge fealty to the Clinton Dynasty?

by anothergreenbus on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:41:59 PM EST
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ANOTHER NADERITE EXPOSESS HIMSELF! (none / 0)

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:58:40 PM EST
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Dude, learn to spell (or proofread your posts) (none / 0)

Maybe it is a matter of taking a deep breath or two before hitting "post".
If one has to vote for all Democrats all the time to be a good Democrat, then I am a pretty lousy one. I am more concerned about a candidate's ideas, abilities and experience than whether they have a D after their name. Because of my political views, that means that I vote Dem over 90% of the time and almost never for a GOoPer. If an election is close and a Repub has a chance of winning then I am up over 99%. However, if someone is a DINO and doesn't deserve OR NEED my vote to win (or will lose anyway) then they don't get my vote. For example, I voted for DiFi for Senator in 1992 and 1994 but not since. She doesn't represent me very well; I'm not helping her get a landslide. When she really needed my vote in 1994 she got it. I also do not vote for my warhawk congresscritter, Howard Berman. He wins with about 70% every time but without my endorsement or vote.
The presidential race is a special case for two reasons. One is the importance of the office, the other is whether CA's electoral votes are in question. If there is no doubt as to the result, what's the big deal is someone wants to do a protest vote? I am a practical guy about all this.
Campaigning is another issue. If there is a candidate I like a lot I am more likely to want to give more effort to him or her. I expect to work some for the united Democratic campaign even if one our least appealing candidates like Clinton or Biden were to get the nomination, but if it is Clinton I am more likely to put more of my energy into congressional, legislative or ballot measure races. If I am not a good enough Dem for y'all then that's tough.

by Zack from the SFV on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 05:26:37 PM EST
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tthis loaner laptop sticks (1.00 / 1)

and ads and subtracts keystrokes -
tthen your a dem leaning independant and would HAVE NO BUSINESS RUNNING IN OUR - scratch that - MY PARTY'S PRIMARIES FOR PRESIDENT

got it?

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 06:41:20 PM EST
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Re: tthis loaner laptop sticks (none / 0)

OK I'll grant you your keyboard problem, but don't tell me I am not a Democrat. I am an officer of two local Democratic clubs, and a former boardmember of the Democratic Party of the San Fernando Valley (a local grassroots organization that runs one of the best GOTV operations in California). I am a registered Democrat, I vote in the primaries and give to my local organization, as well as to Democratic candidate campaigns from New Hampshire to New Mexico and beyond. If the requirement to be a Democrat is to always vote a straight ticket, then I would have to find another party or become an "decline to state" voter (the Californian translation of "independent"). You don't really expect me to vote for a$$holes like Feinstein or Cruz Bustamante, do you? Get real! this isn't just about "yay team!" but about trying to use electoral politics to effect positive social change.

by Zack from the SFV on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:25:04 PM EST
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Re: tthis loaner laptop sticks (1.00 / 1)

ya can always go Green.

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:32:30 PM EST
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Re: tthis loaner laptop sticks (none / 0)

Are you trying to hurt the Democratic Party? Our party is a coalition of diverse groups who don't always agree about everything or every candidate. You seem to have the idea of what the Chinese call "democratic centralism", which is basically that whatever the party leaders say is what will be, no questions asked or allowed. You would rather have activists like myself leave the party than work within it. Get a hold of yourself, kid!
Why on earth did you take the blogname "Holden Caulfield"? It has been a long time since I read the book, but I remember the original Caulfield as someone that tried to make his own way in the world and make up his own mind. You are just another follower. Just what we needed: another generation of Clinton groupies...
I don't have any problem with people feeling that HRC is the best candidate, but there is no need to alienate supporters of other candidates. You should turn off the computer and go walk a precinct or do some leafletting for your candidates. It would be more productive than your diaries about how all the rest of us aren't good enough Democrats... At least you aren't quite the worst Hillarybot here; that would probably be "areyouready" although you are working your way up the ranks.

by Zack from the SFV on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:40:35 PM EST
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hey pal - take a hike with your sanctimony (1.00 / 1)

Holden hates phonies. Thats his poit in the book and mine here. he people who call Hill a corrupt liar are fakes and phonies. She is no more "corrupt" or dishonest than Edwards or Obama. The people who attack her with such lines disgust me.

I dont give a flaming fuck if you think Im the worst "Hillarybot" here. And no, Im not a Clinton groupie, Im a former staffer and hopefully, a lifelong colleague and ally.

and be sure, I will in the fall do what I always do during elections, run GOTV for a major section of a major state - working with real Dems TO WIN BACK THE GOVERNMENT that you SOMETIMES Democrats caused us to lose in 2000.

And you can help us or not, I couldnt care any less.

Btw, I know Brbaraa Boxer, she thinks youre a tool...

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 02:57:31 PM EST
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Re: hey pal - take a hike with your sanctimony (none / 0)

Well, let me say this to the self-proclaimed former staffer: Even the NY Times in an an editorial on Oct. 20 wrote, "Every now and then, we are tempted to double-check that the Democrats actually won control of Congress last year." Noting how the Democratic House and Senate had rolled over and given the president permission to massively spy on Americans without showing any probable cause, the Times concluded, "It was bad enough having a one-party government when Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. But the Democrats took over, and still the one-party system continues."

This amounts to support for the crimes committed by the Bush-Cheney regime. Your Democrats should be ashamed for supporting the war, supporting the pillaging of our civil and legal rights. They have driven me out of their party by their collusion in high crimes. Perhaps you can forgive this and maintain the illusion that getting Hillary elected will makes things better, but I see through the silliness of this hope.

by downtown democrat on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 04:53:14 PM EST
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Well, let me say this to you (1.00 / 1)

kiss my ass you fake - and get hell out of OUR PRIMARY!

This is a site FOR DEMOCRATS - BY DEMOCRATS!

And thanks for showing your true colors - and your real identity -

Nice try thouugh choosing a name to cover your falsehood!

God, its sooo easy to get you people to dance!

There's not even any "sport" to it...

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 05:03:08 PM EST
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Re: hey pal - take a hike with your sanctimony (none / 0)

Holden, do you even bother reading the comments that you respond to? In my original comment I talked about the limited situations in which I may vote against a Democratic candidate. Basically, when I can make a statement without costing an election. My Senator (not the one you say thinks I'm a tool) has in the past few weeks voted for a Bushie racist for Judge (a life tenure position) and an Attorney General who thinks torture is OK. Why should I vote for her, especially when my vote will not determine the outcome?
Now you are saying that I caused the Democrats to lose the government in 2000. As you should know, we lost the government in 1994 when we lost the Congress, not in 2000. That year Gore won the election, but it was stolen by the GOP Supreme Court and FL authorities. A long story. You insult me for no reason (re Boxer). What are you accomplishing with this? Do you feel self-righteous by tearing down others? I really don't get it.
I hope that whatever "major section of a major state" you do GOTV in is nowhere near Southern CA, because your attitude (at least here in cyberspace) is atrocious. We're Democrats; we don't always agree but can usually come together in common purpose (like to defeat the Greedy Old Party). I wouldn't want you here at the DP/SFV headquarters because you seem to like nothing more than to stir shit up. It doesn't help you, or your favored candidate.
It doesn't have to be this way. Tonight at the meeting of the Sherman Oaks Democratic Club (yes, real live people in a room together), we heard from speakers supporting the four candidates that have local campaigns in the Valley: Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich and Obama. Each gave a presentation and took questions from the audience. Nobody yelled at eachother or called anyone a tool. We talked about our differences and our common interests. We know that we will be working together in the general election and in the years ahead, so we don't talk trash. It works better that way. We San Fernando Valley Democrats kick ass; we turn out our votes so that we are now a Democratic stronghold rather than the swing area we used to be twenty years ago.
To wrap it up: Don't be an asshole, whether online or in "meat space". It doesn't reflect well on you, your candidates or party. And don't try to kick people out of the party; instead try to make them welcome to make our party stronger and more inclusive.

by Zack from the SFV on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:33:19 AM EST
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yes i read your commentss (none / 0)

I especially liked these:

Are you trying to hurt the Democratic Party?

You are just another follower. Just what we needed: another generation of Clinton groupies...

but there is no need to alienate supporters of other candidates.

I wouldn't want you here at the DP/SFV headquarters because you seem to like nothing more than to stir shit up. It doesn't help you, or your favored candidate.

I hope that whatever "major section of a major state" you do GOTV in is nowhere near Southern CA, because your attitude (at least here in cyberspace) is atrocious.

You should turn off the computer and go walk a precinct or do some leafletting for your candidates. It would be more productive than your diaries about how all the rest of us aren't good enough Democrats...

At least you aren't quite the worst Hillarybot here; that would probably be "areyouready" although you are working your way up the ranks.

Don't be an asshole, whether online or in "meat space". It doesn't reflect well on you, your candidates or party. And don't try to kick people out of the party

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I cant stand passsive-aggresive bs like this.

You folks all argue like this...you attack and insult the honor of someone you oppose, like hillary or your Senator, and then when theres a pushback - you whine about how others like me are being so rude to you - and then you insult and slander back with full gusto as you do it.

I wonder, do they teach you this kind of jab-complain-insult-jab discourse at green party usa.

I argue with and fight back witth onlt two kinds of people here - who really are the just one group..doing who things i hold in contempt as a real lifelong dem.

those that call Mrs. Clinton - who i know and respect and care for- a lying, dishonest, corporate sell out...which i know is nothing but slanderous bs, so i take great offense at it -

ad the people who threaten or say they wont vote for her if she is the nominee.

I say both these groups are made up of 100% hypocrites and frauds and i dont choose to make nice or be civil to them as long as they do or threaten to do these vile acts.

These people ARE NOT DEMOCRATS and real dems dont care if they leave and vote for Nader again in 2008...

If theyre that selfish and stupid, screw em, good riddance, we'll deal without them.

And by the way, Babs is a true friend of mine and she would understand and agree with every word that I wrote.

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 05:35:14 AM EST
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I am not "you folks" (none / 0)

I am one person. Don't lay all of your anger on me or dishonor me by putting words into my mouth. Have I ever called Sen. Clinton a "lying ,dishonest..." No, I have not. Have I said that I would not vote for her if she is the nominee? No, not that either. I also don't think you should try to speak for Senator Boxer, for whom I campaigned starting in the 1992 primary when she first ran. Stop acting like an asshole; you can do better.
Really, you are doing nobody any good. There is no reason to continuing this exchange. You are dead to me at this point. Goodbye.

by Zack from the SFV on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 01:53:38 PM EST
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ohno- how can i live? (none / 0)

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 03:43:29 PM EST
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Re: Wrong question, Todd. (2.00 / 3)

It should have been will you support the Dem nominee, whoever that is, in the election. Why should Clinton get props. The media attention give to C & O isn't helping the voters make informed decisions and we in the blogosphere should not be supporting that. So, no, today I will not answer your poll because it smacks of the inevitability meme, I very much oppose. Hope you do to.

by santamonicadem on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:33 PM EST
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Re: Wrong question, Todd. (none / 0)

Ridiculous. Clinton is the clear frontrunner and likely nominee. Of course the question made sense.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:44:39 PM EST
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Re: Wrong question, Todd. (2.00 / 1)

It means a free pass is given to people like areyouready/prisonbreak, who said yesterday that if Obama was the nominee he would do everything in his power to ensure his defeat.

In my view, such a person should be ostracized by our community, period.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:50:59 PM EST
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Re: So, all you HRC supporters, will (none / 0)

you support Edwards or Obama if they are the nominee?

by santamonicadem on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:08:19 PM EST
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Re: So, all you HRC supporters, will (none / 0)

Of course.

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:27:25 PM EST
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of course they will (none / 0)

I will bet you won't get a single negative response. Now lets see all the Edwards supporters say the same and Edwards too.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:27:52 PM EST
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I'll happily support any Democrat (none / 0)

except Hillary.

by PDiddie on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:35:44 PM EST
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Re: of course they will (none / 0)

Again....why do I have to support hillary.

If Hillary wins the nomination I won't be an activist one bit for her. I won't hurt her or the party, and I won't tell people to vote republican, because that's just stupid.

But I don't feel the need to be an activist for a nominee whose ideology is so different from mine.

It's not about who you support. It's about 'Do I feel comfortable with this person as my president?'

And if I can't, then I shouldn't have to go out and help them get elected. They are supposed to WIN my vote.

by apolitik on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:45:57 PM EST
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Re: So, all you HRC supporters, will (none / 0)

Of course. ANY DEMOCRAT worth his label will ALWAYS support ANY CANDIDATE the voters of our party decide to nominate. That is what this process is all about.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:13:06 PM EST
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FUCK YA (none / 0)

though Id think you folks were idiots for making me do it!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:01:20 PM EST
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dems supportt dems (none / 0)

thatt dontt use waffle words like

"I intend to"

its "duplicitous"...

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:45:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

Stop the pearl clutching ... why doesn't someone ask Hillary this question? He should just say, let's wait until the nomination is decided.

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:45:27 PM EST
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somethong vague aan bullshitty like (none / 0)

"i intend to"

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:03:09 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

I HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIMES THAT IF JRE WINS THE NOM...I WILL SUPPORT HIM!

This is very distrubing to me and just renforces the feeling that I have of JRE not being who he says he is!

by boxer4hrc on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:41:41 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

Hell yes!

Does anyone here seriously think, say, that Clinton will appoint an Alito to the Supreme Court?

Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, for a change.

by Oregon Bear on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:11:42 PM EST

ANOTHER NON DEM SAYING VOTE FOR JE! (none / 0)

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:34:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

Not good. Edwards is my pick but if he doesn't relent on this topic then I hate to say it but I can't support him anymore.

"I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."--John McCain

by lorax on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:11:55 PM EST

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

come on. Thats BS. We both know what was implied by his comment. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

There are many ways he could have said it. Had he said the four simple words "I am a democrat" that would have been enough. Barack Obama, to his credit, gave a great answer. It shows that hes in it to win it but isn't a sore loser.

Look the presidential race is the big enchilada in US politics. Its the "whole' f'n show" We can't let our ego and petty squabbles get in the way of the future of the country and the party. I might dislike a lot of Edwards supporters but I would vote for John Edwards in a heartbeat if he were the nominee. I would even go work for his campaign.

People who refuse to support the nominee, either by voting 3rd party or not voting, are just aiding a republican victory

by world dictator on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:32:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This guy thinks a staff problem is worse (none / 0)

than a guy who CANT EVEN SAY THAT HE'LL BE WITH US IN NOVEMBER!

Yeah - he's a straight talker - right....

If he cant be trusted on this, why should he be trusted at all?

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:45:39 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

No, I think more Iowans are bothered by this attitude and the overall negativity we have seen for two months now. This is very much part of today's news cycle, and it makes Edwards look small.

by georgep on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:46:50 PM EST
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I'm not willing to run that far on 1 little answer (none / 0)

However, I DO want some clarification. It's very disturbing to me to hear a major Democratic candidate intimate he might not support the nominee in the general. I'm giving Edwards the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but it won't last forever if he doesn't come forward with a good explanation/clarification.

by Trickster on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:43:57 PM EST
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Re: nom (none / 0)

"I fully expect to support the Democratic nominee, and I fully expect to be the Democratic nominee."

from the diarist himself- but now that the diarist has a vested stake in outrage over a nominee wanting to win- note what he says?

by bruh21 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:58:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"I fully expect to ... (none / 0)

is a bull shit on non-committal committal...

Just the kind of crap you accuse Hillary of and say she should be rejected for.

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:06:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "I fully expect to ... (none / 0)

yes because in the primary he should be fully commited to clinton. i see your point now. all hail great clinton, all wise and powerful one.

by bruh21 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:16:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

go kiss your pix of johnnie (none / 0)

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 07:39:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

I don't want a nominee who doesn't want to discuss his eventual support for the Democratic ticket. It's a no-brainer. I'm hoping that he didn't understand the question and will clarify soon.

"I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."--John McCain

by lorax on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:39:03 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

sorry but thats just funny. how dare he not support his opponent right now- he is evil just evil.

by bruh21 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:17:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

The question is not whether he would be happy if Clinton won- it was whether he would support Sen. Clinton if she won. This is not a small distinction. His equivocation is disturbing. Add this to the list of reasons why Edwards is not my choice of candidates (in fact, he's not my second choice or my third.)

by arkansasdemocrat on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 05:42:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

by arkansasdemocrat on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 05:42:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

Yes, but she sure isn't my first (or second, or third) choice

by ocoocher on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:12:54 PM EST

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

does it really matter whether he and his family will support Hillary or not?

This is just comical...

by prisonbreak on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:13:09 PM EST

Are you kidding? (none / 0)

Can you imagine the hay the Republicans would make if a major candidate didn't support the nominee? I hate to say it, but your post is either disingenuous or naive.

by Trickster on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:45:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

Edwards better clear this up fast. I like him a lot, but there's no excuse for being wishy-washy on whether to support your party's nominee for President.

by Christopher Lib on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:14:00 PM EST

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

I'll vote against the Repub.

by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:15:43 PM EST

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (1.66 / 3)

john edwards is not just an awful candidate, he epitomizes what is wrong with American (and Dem) politics.

-a phony: his positions shift with the political winds
-a poseur: this 2 Americas stuff while he lives in Hearst Castle
-a lightweight: no real governing experience, he survives by floating in the political currents and latching on to whatever red meat serves his purposes..
-easy meat for the GOP: just like Cheney waxed him in the 2004 debate, his flip flops, obvious posing, and lack of substance will lead to him getting ripped apart in a GE.

fortunately, his core of support is diminishing as people become familiar with him -- his hardcore are the types who voted Nader and brought us George W.. To most it's obvious that this year's angry populist was the centrist last time around, that the guy who rages against lobbyists is a creation of trial lawyers who doesn't have a principled bone in his body.

clinton, obama, dodd, biden, richardson....all solid candidates, and there are others. if edwards won't support the Dem candidate in the GE, he should just join the Greens now.

by CalDem on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:15:54 PM EST

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

Why don't you make your comments fit the diary?

by apolitik on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:48:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (1.00 / 0)

fits it precisely. Edwards is a narcissist who is playing to the fawning of the Green/Nader constituency. this confirms it. He and his followers shouldn't try to fool themselves that they represent Democrats -- they represent an annoying, narcissistic fringe of well-heeled holier than thou yuppies.

yes he should support the nominee. and, faced with a political firestorm, i'm sure he'll announce very soon he will support him or her. but that reversal -- his latest of many -- won't negate that the guy is a narcissist just like Nader.

by CalDem on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:55:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

Sounds a lot like you're saying you won't support Edwards if he's the nominee. Perhaps you'd like to clarify that point.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:04:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

naw, i'd support him, certainly going to be better than the republican.

and isn't it that simple?

i believe it is, which is why it's so problematic that a percentage of the voters here, following Edwards, indicate that somehow if their guy doesn't win voting for Hillary would be problematic. From a Green/Naderite perspective, sure, they don't agree with Dem principles. but not from a Dem perspective: the policy differences simply aren't great. that's why i really think quasi-Greens shouldn't purport to represent Democratic values, and why it's a shame that so many Naderites seem to post on Democratic boards. Entitled to their opinions, of course, but not entitled to speak for Dems.

of course, it's an academic question since Edwards doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

by CalDem on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 04:09:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

you had me until your Republican-esque disparaging of "trial lawyers."

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.

by jgarcia on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:27:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

Grammar Nazi here: (and the answer is yes, I'd support Hillary, but since I already am that's kind of empty).

Hard to tell what was intended from the last paragraph but "reticence" is related to "silence," not "reluctance." Someone who is reluctant may be reticent but then again they may not. Any sense of "reluctance" should be associated with "to speak," not more generally.

by InigoMontoya on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:16:20 PM EST

Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

While I would never advocate using "reticent" in place of "reluctant" as in "I am reticent to vote for Hillary," the 2nd definition of "reticence" below does appear to fit my usage:

ret·i·cence(rět'ĭ-s& #601;ns) n.

1. The state or quality of being reticent; reserve.
2. The state or quality of being reluctant; unwillingness.

by Todd Beeton on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:25:18 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Won't Pledge To Support Hillary? (none / 0)

Creeping sloppiness, Todd. "reluctance" is the third definition in my dictionary but there's also the issue of denotation vs. connotation, which is where there's a difference between "reluctance" in a general sense vs. "reluctance to speak."

Carry on, I enjoy your posts. Please understand that I have enough respect for on-line journalism that I think it should be held to the same standards of spelling and grammar that one would expect of, say, the NYT, in its formal articles, by which I mean posts on the main page.

by InigoMontoya on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 08:54:12 PM EST
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Edwards made his biggest mistake yet (none / 0)

He isn't going to win over many mainstream primary voters by failing to say he would fail to back the Democratic nominee, whether it be Clinton or whomever.

by dpANDREWS on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:16:25 PM EST

Re: Edwards made his biggest mistake yet (2.00 / 2)

Bingo. I have to wonder how long the diarist has been in politics to not know from what derivative this question derives. It's the "if you lose" question, then what?

by bruh21 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:24:29 PM EST
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Its a pretty standard question (2.00 / 1)

... That is asked when races heat up. Normally most candidates will give the speil about there being real differences blah blah blah .. but yes they will support the nominee blah blah blah ... but it doesn't really matter because they plan on being the nominee blah blah blah.

It is a stock, off the shelf answer. Edwards couldn't give it for some reason. That will hurt him.

by dpANDREWS on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:28:57 PM EST
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Re: Its a pretty standard question (2.00 / 3)

I've never known a candidate to discuss it right then and there. Most say we are still inthe primary. the only thing he added was that i will do so after the primary- which implies he is focused on now. many of you are taking extreme liberties pretedning like this meant anything other than he wanted to focus on winning the primary, i mean words like 'disgusting' etc are being bantied about by y our fellow acolytes to clinton pretending a primary nominee doesn't ordinarily say this.

by bruh21 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:32:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

show us an example then,,, (none / 0)

you have the google...

Ive never heard a candidate EVER REFUSE TO AFFIRM THAT HE WOULD SUPPORT THE PARTY - NO MATTER WHAT!

Go ahead - find another example where this has happened...

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:49:32 PM EST
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BULLSHIT! (none / 0)

DEMOCRATS SUPPORT THEIR NOMINEE!

IF HE CANT SAY THIS - NO DEM SHOULD CONSIDER SUPPORTING HIM!

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman

by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:37:06 PM EST
[