Still Little Reason for Dems to Do Fox News

Back in March, when folks inside the Netroots and elsewhere were working to shut down a proposed Democratic presidential debate to be held on Fox News, Democratic pollster Mark Mellman released the following data about the network he had culled in 2004.

Instead of providing "fair and balanced" reporting, Fox has created an audience ignorant of the facts, but fully supportive of management's ideology.

An audience that decides for itself, based on "fair and balanced" coverage, ought not to reach monolithic conclusions. Yet, in our 2004 polling with Media Vote, using Nielsen diaries, we found that Fox News viewers supported George Bush over John Kerry by 88 percent to 7 percent. No demographic segment, other than Republicans, was as united in supporting Bush. Conservatives, white evangelical Christians, gun owners, and supporters of the Iraq war all gave Bush fewer votes than did regular Fox News viewers.

A newer set of data released today by the Norman Lear Center and Zogby International offers similar findings.

Compared to all other respondents, conservatives were more likely to watch only two channels out of the 24 highest-rated networks: Fox and Fox News. While no one should be surprised to hear that conservatives like to watch Fox News (70% watch it daily, opposed to 12% of moderates and liberals), many may wonder why the Fox broadcast network is their second favorite channel, with over twice as many conservatives watching it daily, compared to all other respondents.

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Fox News wins the prize for the most politically divisive TV channel (70% of conservatives watch it daily and only 3% of liberals).

Now I can't see how this data, which was in the field in late June and had a margin of error of plus or minus 1.6 percentage points, is exactly right, or at least explained exactly right. There's just no way that 70 percent of conservatives -- or by Zogby's estimate about 25.9 percent of American adults -- watch Fox News on a daily basis. The O'Reilly Factor, the network's most popular program, draws about 3 million viewers on a good night, a far cry from the 55 million or so people that would make up a quarter of American adults.

Nonetheless, the proportions found by the survey are worth noting. Fox News' viewership really is just Republican and conservative. In such a case, what reason is there for Democrats to go on the network? Democrats and progressives don't advertise in The Weekly Standard. They don't contract with Richard Viguerie to send direct mail to conservative activists. So why, then, should Democrats and progressives feel a need to effectively do the same thing by going on Fox News? Perhaps if Democrats and progressives wanted to reach the Republican and conservative base they would have a reason to go on Fox News. Otherwise, I just don't see much of a reason.



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F Fox News.

I can channel surf various cable outlets but I can very rarely stomach Fox for more than 20 seconds at a clip.  I do tune in to watch their take after a Republican debate.  Even then I don't find much substance.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:44:48 PM EST

Whenever I find out a Democrat appeared there, (none / 0)

after I throw up a little in my mouth, i put them on a sort of mental "shit list" and they lose a lot of respect in my eyes.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:55:59 PM EST

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I asked Gov. Dean at the Yearly Kos if we could ban Fox from the Democratic Convention. He said, and I quote, "We need to talk to their audience."

I love Dean but must respectfully submit that we, that is Democrats and Progressive, will never get a fair, un-filtered voice on Fox and it would be far better if we sent a message to the rest of the country of that basic truth.

Ban Fox from the Convention!


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
by Stoic on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:59:26 PM EST

Fox News Sunday is a shameful thing (none / 0)

Chris Wallace, as big a whore as there is, is simply unbelievable on Sunday morning.  Last Sunday, he had on Richardson.  Rather than interview Richardson, he was debating him, and Wallace was parrotting, word for word, the repukeliscum line.

I know, I know, not exactly news.  But I was still amazed.


by dataguy on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:05:06 PM EST

Tangent (none / 0)

I agree with Mellman's sentiment but I don't agree that, "an audience that decides for itself, based on 'fair and balanced' coverage, ought not to reach monolithic conclusions.'

That's the kind of thinking that allows the more centrist media to present both political sides as equally valid even when one is grossly illogical and malevolent.

Pervasive consensus is exactly what should happen when one side is demonstrably correct, and arguments are fairly presented.


by JoeFelice on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:10:52 PM EST

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An awful lot of gyms, restaurants, etc. seem to play Fox News constantly for the captive audience.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:21:31 PM EST

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when we see this, we ought to complain to management.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 08:03:00 PM EST
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Re: Still Little Reason for Dems to Do Fox News (none / 0)

Or get one of these:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electro nic/884f/

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 10:26:51 PM EST
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Hillary isn't doing Fox News (none / 0)

but she's not turning down any fundraisers for her sponsored by Rupert Murdoch. Apparently, the Clinton-Murdoch alliance is his way of thanking Bill for signing the Telecom Act that created more Murdoch-owned rightwing TV and radio stations.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 707/Defending_Hillary_from_the_left.html


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:28:46 PM EST

And Fox won't let candidates use the footage (none / 0)

Since Fox won't let candidates use news footage...

Even IF Democratic candidates

...did well in a Fox debate...
...were able to give clear answers despite the prejudiced questions from the debate hosts...

...they would not be allowed by Fox to use the footage to show their positions in front of a live audience.


by MS on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 06:30:16 PM EST

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The reason why to go on Fox News is the same reason why right-wingers get all in a hissy fit over "obscene" stuff on TV... people channel surf and might find it and actually be influenced by it...

The problem, of course, is that no democrat is going to get a fair shot on the channel, and going on only furthers the lie of being "fair and balanced".

But boycotting them does little good, since there is always some DLC patsy out there who wants attention and is desperately eager to be liked by republicans.. so, they go one the TV and make all of us look like fools....

I don't know what the solution is, really.. they are a cancer on the body and soul of journalism.

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 10:24:28 PM EST

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"The reason why to go on Fox News is the same reason why right-wingers get all in a hissy fit over "obscene" stuff on TV... people channel surf and might find it and actually be influenced by it..."

It's easy to forget that there was a time that Fox was the target of numerous protests for its risque programming.  Remember the flap over "Married With Children"?


by KTinOhio on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 11:32:03 PM EST

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Murdoch has it coming from both sides.

He rakes in money peddling titilation, then rakes in more money by peddling outrage over titilation.

Basically, it's the same model he used with his tabloids for years, just moved up to the broadcast medium.

I think his attitude is pretty much summed up by this new video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whYi8sCF5 Pg


by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 11:50:28 PM EST
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