How Obama wins the Nomination

While this polling and race analysis is primarily for bucking up Obama fans, it is also not completely biased. While, I want Obama to get the nomination, I also think he can and that belief could change. There will be valuable information for non-Obama fans also.
    Let me begin by saying Hillary Clinton is the front-runner. So long as she has a national polling lead of roughly 20 points, she will be the front-runner. However the polling is not anywhere near inevitability level and while Obama supporters may know that intuitively, it is important that we are able to explain why it is so. Particularly when numbers like a 33% poll come out. This poll was a major outlier based not just on the other national polls but also any intelligent analysis of the state polling.  It is also important that has much as this is a race for votes, it is also a race for delegates.  An understanding how this race may play out follows, also with the history guide such a scenario.

The Centrality of Iowa
    The key thing that has happened over this Summer which may or may not have been inevitable but which is now a fact is that, a Clinton win in Iowa would now certainly win her the nomination and probably going away.  However it is also clear that Iowa and particularly and Iowa Caucus is her weakest point anywhere in the country.
      Lets assume Hillary has a 20-point national lead that is around the statistical average, and lets also assume that Iowa is tied. This means that where the race is the most engaged the race is tied.  While Clinton fans might argue based on the RCP average that she is 4 points ahead, for an Iowa Caucus that is a for all intensive purpose a tie.  
    We have also seen a steady if not sharp decline in the trend for John Edwards's support in Iowa, as confirmed by the most recent Des Moines Register poll.  Edwards's fans might argue for a three-way tie, but it is fair to say that Edwards has now slipped to a close third.  
    While Clinton is up 20 nationally she is tied in Iowa. A brief history can explain why the Clinton Campaign probably never wanted to play here in the first place and why an Obama victory in Iowa is in fact sufficient to overcome this current as well as most future National leads.  

The Vilsack effect.
    It is entirely possible to believe that Tom Vilsack had every intention of running a very serious Presidential campaign, then decided he couldn't raise the money, quit the race, and then about a month later decided that Hillary was the best candidate and endorsed her.  If you are a Clinton fan that is a way to view history. It is however not the one that is the most accurate, Iowa particularly, Iowa Democrats have never been a source of particular Clinton strength.  In 1992, Iowa Senator's Tom Harkin's campaign for President prevented the Iowa caucus from playing their usual role as an important decider as he basically made the state no competitive.  When looking at the field of candidates in say September of 2006, before the Obama entrance, you were talking about the current field, plus Warner Bayh, Kerry and Feingold.  Based on what we now know about Hillary's strengths but her weaknesses in Iowa, Tom Vilsack was I believe planning to darkened Iowa for her in the same manner in which Harkin darkened it in 1992.  This would allow Clinton to withdraw from Iowa, not out of weakness, but out of "my respect for the Job Tom Vilsack has done for the people of Iowa."  This would have posed huge problems for the rest of the field because and this is particularly for Edwards, the Iowa terrain was far better for them than the New Hampshire terrain. So while Hillary could sit pretty and wait for Edwards in New Hampshire, Edwards would have to beat Tom Vilsack in Iowa to have any traction.
    This plan was not to be for two major reasons. The first is that because of Obama's strengths, both among African American's, who while it is now tied, it would have been nearly impossible for any other candidate to get to that tie, and his quickly demonstrated fundraising prowess.  It was too risky to allow Obama a win in Iowa.  Secondly Tom Vilsack was not able to garner the type of Iowa support that would be needed to allow Hillary to stay out of Iowa, for anything other than political calculation. Many people on her staff argued for this approach but ultimately the weakness of Vilsack and the strength of Obama required that she engage in Iowa.  Vilsack joined the team quickly, hoping that winning Iowa for Hillary would grant him the Vice-Presidency. The Clinton Campaign wanted out of Iowa but were forced to play there by the strength of the Obama threat and the lack of strength of Tom Vilsack in Iowa.

A wrinkle in Iowa
    This race is now very much engaged in Iowa and if for all purpose a tie, however there is still a wrinkle in this tie, in the person of John Edwards. It should be very clear that at this point John Edwards is training in the neighborhood of 80% of his fire at Hillary and this may be a tip off to something that could change the race.
This is because those familiar with the Iowa Caucus rules know that a candidate needs 15% support in every caucus to get any votes in the caucus. This rule led in 2004 to the Kucinich and Edwards deal, which was a promise that wherever the other candidate was not viable their supporters would Caucus for the other.  The margin if it stays in the same neighborhood as it is now could mean that whoever cuts the best "deal" would end up winning, an Edwards-Obama deal would at this point very likely beat Clinton and who ever their campaign struck a deal with. In short since Edwards is trending, however slightly down, this could mean an Obama victory in Iowa, which clearly sets up the rest of the scenario

Prediction, Obama 33% Clinton 30% Edwards 22% Richardson 7% Biden 4% Dodd 2% Kucinich 2%

On to New Hampshire
    Assuming Obama is able to win in Iowa, New Hampshire becomes a very likely target for a next victory. It is here where history should be as great a cue as polling. The current polling is bad,  but it is also does mirror the trends of nationally. When the race is not engaged on T.V. and when it is quiet. Senator Clinton does better, when the race is engaged, like Iowa, The Clinton Campaign does worse.  All of the current polling in New Hampshire has been conducted, while  Clinton   was on T.V. and Obama was not on T.V.  This important difference makes  this  Obama's low point in the state of New Hampshire . Senator Clinton is at roughly 40 and Senator Obama is at roughly 20.  However once the race is engaged, it is entirely likely the margin will shrink to ten with Obama gaining support to around 30, while Clinton will remain at roughly 40%. Assuming an Obama-Clinton-Edwards finish in Iowa, the odds are very good that, the rest of the field combined will be held to around 20% or less. History has shown that with the exception of Massachusetts's candidates, New Hampshire Democrats are likely to give a boast to the Anti-Establishment candidate over the Establishment Candidate. For example Bill Bradley almost won the New Hampshire primary.  This despite the fact hew was being far more badly beaten in National Polls and Establishment support than Clinton is beating Obama now.  Look for the gap to narrow to around ten points by Iowa and be erased after an Obama victory in Iowa. Obama will win New Hampshire

Prediction
Obama 42% Clinton 38% Edwards 10% Richardson 5%, Dodd 2% Biden 2% Kucinich 1%  

South Carolina and Nevada
    At this point it is a two-person since those Candidates remaining, if any,  are not likely to reach the 15% of the vote necessary to qualify for delegates

    South Carolina is already showing the signs of being an engaged state over a non engaged state, while the most recent poll has a nine point Clinton lead this is much smaller than her leads nationally and is therefore is very hopeful sign. After two wins by Obama in New Hampshire and Iowa and based on this most recent polling, it is very likely that Senator Obama would be able to win South Carolina.  
    Prediction Obama 55% Clinton 45%

    Nevada
    This state is probably the hardest to get a read on because there is simply no history. On the hand Senator Clinton is completely and totally owning amongst electeds in the State, on the other hand it is a Caucus that in general will benefit Senator Obama. Senator Clinton's poll leads are also sizable.  I would give the edge to Senator Clinton but by a small margin
Clinton 53% Obama 47%

National/Feb 5th.
     Could a Clinton lead of 20 points nationally hold up against losing three out of four first contests? Yes, but is it likely too, probably not.  Clinton fans at this point are probably screaming, but what about Michigan and Florida, the bottom-line in those two states, where Senator Clinton will win Florida and probably Michigan, they award no delegates in either contests, so while those delegates will probably be seated at the DNC it would probably be by the nominee.
    Feb 5th has at this point, 19 states scheduled and it is clearly important to remember that Democrats allocate convention delegates proportionally based on the results not winner take all.  This makes a huge difference when reading polling, in lets say New Jersey the polling shows Senator Clinton leading Obama by a 49-23 margin, this may not actually be at this point all the crippling because simply put the Obama goal in New Jersey is not victory but instead 40 to 45 percent of the delegates. If the results were to happen as I suggested, the odds are quite likely that the question would soon become a battle for Delegates.
A quick at the 19 states shows some clear advantages for one candidate or the other in many of the Feb 5th states.  

The states currently scheduled for Feb 5th are
Alabama
Alaska Caucus  
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado Caucus  
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Illinois
Minnesota Caucus
Missouri
New Mexico Caucus
New Jersey
New York
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Utah  

While not an exact science I believe the states would break as follows.

Obama: Alabama, Alaska, Colorado Connecticut Delaware Georgia Illinois Minnesota North Dakota Utah
 Clinton:  Arkansas New Jersey New York
Swing:  Arizona California Missouri New Mexico Oklahoma Tennessee

A clean sweep by either candidate of all six-swing states Feb 5th would probably net them the nomination. However any other split and I believe the race would press on.

Virginia as high noon [Other February contests]
    This is where I believe Senator Obama will clinch the contest and hence the nomination.   The next two contests are over the following Weekend of Feb 5th Louisiana on Saturday the 9th and a Maine Caucus on the 10th.  Both of these contests favor Senator Obama.  After a Southern sweep with the exception of Arkansas [I believe Obama will win Oklahoma Tennessee and Missouri, drop Arizona and California by small margins and have no way to predict a New Mexico Caucus] I believe Senator Obama will Louisiana. A Maine Caucus also clearly favors Senator Obama. This leads into Feb 12th with Senator Clinton in desperate need of a win and two states confronting her, Maryland and Virginia. Based on a reading of the Cardin-Infume Maryland Senate Primary, there is simply no way Clinton can defeat Obama there.  It would then rest entirely on Virginia.  Senator Obama based on his endorsement from popular Democratic Governor Tim Kaine could be seen at this point as a slight favorite but it would be a very closely fought contest and one which would decided if Senator Clinton would be able to continue. The last three contests in February all favor Senator Obama [Washington Wisconsin, Hawaii] So while the next real delegate number  [Texas Ohio Massachusetts and Vermont] would seem appealing, it would be hard for Senator Clinton to continue if she were forced to endure a whole month from Feb 5th to March 4th without a win.      However a win in Virginia would more likely than not send this race to a deadlocked convention, in which super delegates who so far overwhelming favor Senator Clinton would play a powerful role.

Conclusion
    An Obama win in Iowa would likely set up Obama wins in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Which would force the race into a tie but one in which the first round of states actually favor Senator Obama. Florida did Senator Clinton a huge disservice to Senator Clinton by disenfranchising itself as it would be one of her top five states nationally and also the second largest delegate state for her strength.  This race is anything but over. Senator Obama has a very real path to the nomination.



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Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (2.00 / 1)

Interesting.

As much as I would like to dismiss it as a whole lot of wishful thinking , I can't because it was actual fun to read.

Cutting deals , thats something we have ignored here , however I don't think Edwards is in 3rd place like you put it , Edwards is in a strong second place, obama is in a strong 3rd place and Clinton is in a weak 1st place in Iowa.

With regards to deals , I don't see the top 3 cutting deals with each other , however i see deals being cut with strong 2nd tier candidates like Richardson and Biden.


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by lori on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:02:06 PM EST

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Two Iowa polls in approx the last week and one had Obama leading, the other had him in third. This is one reason why I don't put as much "faith" in polls as many do around here. There's too much variety between them and they change too often to think they're anything other than a very inexact snapshot of a moment in time.

No-one is in 3rd, 2nd, or 1st place in Iowa until Jan. 5, and they start counting the votes.


by Mystylplx on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

To be accurate, Clinton was leading among registered voters in the Newsweek poll - at 31%. She also had the most "strong" support in the poll. That is consistent with the new DMR poll - 28% with the most "strong" support.

Obama led the Newsweek poll after their likely voter screen. I would say that the most accurate description of the Newsweek poll would be "mixed".


by hwc on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 04:42:41 PM EST
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Polls of registered voters mean even less than likely voter polls. Especially in a caucus state. But even the likely voter polls depend heavily on their screening method, and whatever the screening method it's always a mixture of science and witchcraft, with the emphasis on the witchcraft part when we're this far out. For example, if Obama can get/gather a huge turn-out of college kids then all the likely voter screening methods for all the polls will be way off. I'm not saying he'll be able to do that (Not saying he won't, either) but it's just an example.


by Mystylplx on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 04:58:59 PM EST
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Polls of registered voters mean even less than likely voter polls. Especially in a caucus state.

OK. If you prefer tight voter screens, then go with the ARG poll which included just "definite" caucus voters and had Clinton at 30%. Or yesterdays DMR poll which screened for definite or probably caucus voters and had Clinton at 29%.

The common thread in all of these polls is that Clinton has the highest percentage of "strong" support.


by hwc on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:45:33 PM EST
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There's no such thing as a "definite" caucus voter, and the ARG poll doesn't look at whether a person has ever caucused before to select their "likely" voters. I don't prefer 'tight voter screens,' I prefer reality, and the reality is that polls mean next to nothing at this point in the race. We can start talking about the polls in late December/early January--THEN they might mean something. Untill then it's just witchcraft.


by Mystylplx on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 12:15:17 PM EST
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For Clinton to win, remember, again many don't know Iowa, has over 1900 precincts.  You need to cut deals with many precinct captains.  Next, how are you going to persuade all the Iowans to vote for Clinton or Obama.  Yes, deals are being brokered, as we saw in SEIU, but this is still early.


by iamready on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:35:44 PM EST
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not 1900 Caucus sites, how many Caucus sites, any Iowans know?


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:39:52 PM EST
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these caucuses are down to PRECINCTS. read desmoinesdem series on how the iowa caucuses work.  many people on her are totally clueless.


by iamready on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:42:05 PM EST
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There are 1900 caucus sites?


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:44:40 PM EST
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No. But the caucus sites break the vote down by precinct if I'm understanding it right.


by Mystylplx on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 04:18:32 PM EST
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No need for a backdoor agreement (none / 0)

It might not actually matter whether Obama and Edwards have an explicit agreement with each other.  Dean's percentage in Iowa in 2004 was deflated by an 'anti-Dean' vote where people used their second choice to choose any other candidate.  There was a perception that he would be risky as a nominee.

I think there's a potential danger for Clinton of the similar dynamic forming among Obama and Edwards supporters.  


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by psericks on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 04:24:20 PM EST
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I agree with you (none / 0)

except that I think Edwards will be viable in more precincts than Obama, given his greater strength among voters over 50.

I don't think many Obama supporters will be throwing their support to Clinton if Barack is not viable. On the contrary.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 05:47:59 PM EST
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Re: I agree with you (none / 0)

I think Obama will be viable in nearly all precincts because of how they are building the ground game... they know every voter personally and will have known people going to each precinct to caucus for them.  I have never seen a campaign that is so intamate with it's voters, that keeps extremely exaustive notes on each one - the Obama campaign, even if they lose, is reshaping how politics is done bringing a new meaning to "all politics is local"


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by CardBoard on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 06:16:43 PM EST
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I think that's a fair assessment (none / 0)

of reality now, though Edwards hasn't really started to advertise and the polls don't reflect the breadth of his support (which is where Obama would be the weakest).

Not so sure about the deals though. I could see Obama and Edwards making a deal for delegates. But I think it would put Edwards over the top. But Obama's campaign would rather have an Edwards win than a Clinton win - so it just might happen.


by okamichan13 on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 12:48:29 AM EST
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If we lose Iowa it is over (2.00 / 2)

But the odds on that are a lot harder to understand.


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:07:24 PM EST

Thanks guys (none / 0)


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 05:27:22 PM EST

Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

Even though I support Clinton, I recommended your diary as a well-thought out analysis.  I consider it a very unlikely scenario, but not an impossible one.    I'd say there is about a 10-15% chance that something like you described could occur.  In other words, Clinton is the dominant favorite, but she is not inevitable.  (And if Obama were to win, I imagine that it could take place similarly to how you describe.)


by markjay on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 05:46:32 PM EST

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Do you believe in South Carolina or New Hampshire as real stop gaps, or do you believe Iowa will go Clinton?


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 05:50:07 PM EST

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I think Edwards will win Iowa narrowly, Clinton will win NH.


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by Denny Crane on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:04:32 PM EST
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Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for a fascinating diary which highlights some interesting dynamics which mere poll-mongering overlooks.  I thought your thesis on Vilsack was very credible.  I wonder what would be in it for Edwards in an Edwards/Obama agreement but agree with the poster above that this is in play on a de facto basis whether the candidates have struck a deal or not.  Terrific stuff, I look forward to more of the same as the election grows nearer.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 06:27:07 PM EST

What weaknesses in Iowa? (none / 0)

How is a 6 point lead a weakness?  


by dpANDREWS on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:21:48 PM EST

Re: What weaknesses in Iowa? (none / 0)

Because
A. You can't really poll a Caucus
B. Because a 20 point lead nationally which is only a four point lead means something about what happens when the race is engaged.
C. Because an Iowa loss could now become  very damaging.

by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:26:18 PM EST
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Because D (none / 0)

A lead is still a lead.  

Wanna talk weakness?  Lets talk about a guy who has campaigned in Iowa since 2003, pinned it all on Iowa and can't manage a clear cut and out lead with less than 100 days to go.


by dpANDREWS on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 08:49:16 PM EST
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Re: Because D (none / 0)

Yeah, Edwards is in trouble.  


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 08:54:07 PM EST
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Just one problem - have you ever - even been to Iowa?  If you had and had you ever worked the Iowa Caucus you would know - that most Iowans - who do go to Caucus don't make up their minds until they walk into the Caucus.  Yes there are deals - but not the deals you are hoping for - and if you want to know how John Kerry won the Iowa Caucus - the name is Vilsack - Christie that is - much loved and trusted by the Iowa voter.


by ValleyDem on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:24:35 PM EST

Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

Christine Vilsack will win Iowa for Hillary? It is an argument, I just disagree.  


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:27:40 PM EST

Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

Ruth Harkin has also endorsed Senator Clinton.

My guess is that both Christine Vilsack and Ruth Harken are both very connected among Democratic women movers and shakers in the state.


by hwc on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:48:36 PM EST
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I enjoyed this diary. I believe that Iowa and NH will determine the rest.

The only question 'undecided' Black voters have for Barack Obama is (though I doubt they'll admit it):

Will White People Vote for Him?

Wins in Iowa and NH would answer that question, and then ' it will be on!'.

I don't believe the national polls for a minute.

Without 'inevitability', Hillary Clinton has little else. Break that, and the battle begins, and Obama has the money to do that battle.


by rikyrah on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 08:56:08 PM EST

Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

As goes Gore, so goes the election.


by Piuma on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:05:00 PM EST

Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

Pretty much wishful thinking, but enough to keep the fantasy alive.


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by areyouready on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:08:22 PM EST

Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

Your tag line is really sexist.


by cone1 on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 01:29:16 AM EST
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Areyouready, why do you keep posting and posting and posting and posting if you believe the nomination is over. What good can you  do  by coming here and repeating the same basic point. If it is over, write about something else. if it isn't over stop repeating that it is over, again and again and again. It does no good.


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:15:43 PM EST

Iowa (none / 0)

I dont think any HRC supporter has claimed inevitability on Iowa -

Its always been a close race in Iowa, and typically Edwards has been at the top of the pack in Iowa (maybe living there since 2003).  But there's been a crack in his armor lately, and i think a lot of it is due to his financial situation.

Second choice is the key in Iowa -- Where will Obama supporters break to in the districts where he doesnt meet the threshold?  I think Edwards and HRC will meet the threshold in EVERY county, whereas Obama might have a problem there.

Then second choice amongst Richardson supporters and the others will be the key to the race (I think Richardson, Dodd, and Biden supporters will go to HRC, whereas Gravel (does he have any supporters) and Kucinich will break towards Edwards).  Kucinich supporters arent going to tip Edwards over.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 10:10:01 PM EST

But aren't Obama supporters (none / 0)

that can't make the 15% likely to go to Edwards?

I think they would certainly prefer that Edwards did better than Clinton.


by okamichan13 on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 12:51:07 AM EST
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Re: Iowa (none / 0)

Do you live in Iowa? Biden, Dodd, Richardson to HRC? Have you worked the phones? Obama is generally the second choice for the supporters of those candidates. The Newsweek poll backs that up if you don't want to take my word for it.


by cone1 on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 01:28:20 AM EST
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the january caucuses will be precinct caucuses... (none / 0)

the county caucuses don't happen for weeks after that (and people outside of iowa stop paying attention)...


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by bored now on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 08:57:32 AM EST
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Re: How Obama wins the Nomination (none / 0)

Areyouready calls my scenario a fantasy while,  Markjay gives it 10-15% chance. That is a huge difference. I think it is close to 40% to 45% but  there is a big difference between giving it credit markjay and calling it fantasy, Areyouready.


by Democraticavenger on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 10:29:56 PM EST

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Show me a precinct in Iowa where Obama will not be viable? Even in small towns he is either first, second, or third-and will hopefully benefit from non-viable candidate pick-ups-which will likely not go to Clinton-all speculation based on personal experience.
Good night.
BTW-Clinton had less than 100 today in the same Iowa town where Obama just last week managed about 800. Think...
 
by cone1 on Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 01:19:44 AM EST


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