Arkansas Swinging Back To Blue

Mike Huckabee likes to say he's a lonely Republican voice back home in Arkansas, and while the state may send two Democratic senators to Washington and 3 out of 4 of its congressional seats may be held by Democrats, since Clinton, Arkansas sure has acted like a red state at the presidential level. In 2000, Bush won by 6% and then in 2004 he won by 9%. But all that could change in 2008. The new Arkansas Poll (754 adults, 10/07, MOE 3.5%) just released indicates the state may be shifting back to a healthy shade of blue.

For one thing, there's clearly some serious buyer's remorse when it comes to Bush. Since 2001, Bush has fallen from a high of 87% approval/9% disapproval to a new low of 30%/65%, even worse than many national polls.

In addition, Arkansans appear to be leaning Democratic for president next year. On the generic question of which party's nominee they're likely to support in 2008:

Democrat 49%
Republican 31%

On a more specific question of whom they're likely to support in the general election:

Hillary Clinton 35%
Rudy Giuliani 8%
Mike Huckabee 8%
Fred Thompson 5%
Barack Obama 5%

Sure, this could all be fueled by hometown affection for Clinton, but I think it's interesting that hometown Republican Huckabee, who left office with a pretty solid 55% approval, wouldn't balance that out somewhat to the benefit of the Republican Party generically. Instead it appears that Arkansas is acting less like a red state and more like the country at large -- with gorwing contempt for Bush and growing faith in the Democratic Party to lead the country.

As a sidenote, Arkansas's potential impact on the election next year can not be underestimated. Assuming any Democratic nominee wins the states Kerry won, the EV count is 286-252 for the Republican. Factor in the likely Democratic wins in Iowa (7 EVs) and New Mexico (5 EVs) that EV differential becomes 274-264. Which means a Democratic victory in little old Arkansas, with its 6 EVs, would allow the Democrat to win the presidency by a hair, 270 EVs to 268, without winning Ohio or Florida.



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Re: Arkansas Swinging Back To Blue (2.00 / 1)

The latest from Rasmussen also shows Virginia competitive. Hillary trails Giuliani 46-43 while Fred Thompson leads by just 46-45.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_2008_1/2008_pr esidential_election/virginia_2008_presid ential_election

Meanwhile, Mark Warner leads Jim Gilmore 53-37.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_2008_1/2008_se nate_elections/virginia_senate


by conspiracy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:13:48 PM EST

Re: Arkansas Swinging Back To Blue (2.00 / 1)

Oops. Botched formatting. Mark Warner leads Jim Gilmore 53-37 in their race for US Senate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_2008__1/2008_se nate_elections/virginia_senate


by conspiracy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:15:07 PM EST
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Re: Arkansas Swinging Back To Blue (2.00 / 1)

Wow. Those Arkansas numbers are stunning. I believe that is Clinton's biggest lead in any state in these general election matchups.


by hwc on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:31:55 PM EST

Re: Arkansas Swinging Back To Blue (2.00 / 1)

Ohio elected a Democratic governor and Senator last year, and Ken Blackwell isn't around anymore to tinker with our elections.  The Buckeye State will be blue next year.


by KTinOhio on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:48:32 PM EST

Ohio (2.00 / 1)

It depends.  Ohio is a very close state, and it still could be the bellwether.

I think, assuming HRC is the nominee, the outcome of the election depends on how high her negatives are.  If they are in the Rasmussen/Zogby zone, she's toast.  If they are in NBC/RT Strategies zone, she wins.  Charlie Cook is right when he thinks it's hard for Clinton to break away, and her negatives are based on shorthand from the 90s, and her failed health plan.


by mikelow1885 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 02:28:39 PM EST

Re: Ohio (none / 0)


I'd say NH is not competitive and about 55% D voting.

The national Democratic game, just on the 1% annual trend is
WI  ~53%
NM  53
IA    53
OH  52  -> election winning EVs
FL   51+
NV  51
CO  50
MO  49+
VA  49+
AR  49
AZ  48-49
WV 48

Of course, in Nevada a 51/49 is a mere 8,000 vote difference and in Florida it's about 250,000 votes.  Though there always tends be a roughly 1% Third Party vote.

As for baselines, we're seeing about 48% for the Democratic nominee and 42-43% for the Republican one.  That's +3% vs -2-3% relative to 2004.  A fit to the 1% per year shift.

And those two baselines are pretty exactly Clinton's favorable/unfavorable.  She's already won the remainder- the swing vote- over from viewing her as unfavorable to neutrality.  Watch as in the next few months they go over from neutrality to viewing her as favorable.

There's no "shorthand from the 90s" or "failed health plan".  Clinton's proposal never failed, conservative Democrats just refused to vote for the bill because their older white constituents didn't want to help pay for all the additional health care neglected poor black and Latino people could be expected to seek out.  Clinton's "high negatives", just like John Kerry's, are simply reflections of the blind partisanship against them and Democrats' internalized shame at their own weakness, at failure to keep them from getting smeared.  Get over the shame and internalized submission to conservatism, and the "high negatives" are purely a lagging indicator of Republican/conservative majority for a very long time.

It doesn't matter whether Clinton "breaks away" or not if she is the nominee, her election is a referendum on 40 years of Nixonian Republicanism coming to an end (or not).  Neither Edwards or Obama represent that.  They're both about attempting to resurrect an old center-Right status quo, enforced by moderate Republicans and "centrist" Democrats for many years, that was pulverized by the Bush/Cheney/DeLay Republicans between 2003 and 2006.  It simply can't be recovered.  Forget it, we're not going back to the Nineties.

The issue mandate is mostly defined by the Senate elections downticket, obviously.  To a lesser degree in the House elections, where I think we'll see a couple of Blue Dogs bite the dust (Lampson and Marshall, anyway) and a bunch more smart liberals elected north of the Potomac and Ohio and Missouri.  And a couple of moderates wiping out some Republican crud in the Southwest and along the historical borders of the South.


by killjoy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:06:13 PM EST
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Re: Ohio (none / 0)

"Neither Edwards or Obama represent that.  They're both about attempting to resurrect an old center-Right status quo"

Where on earth do you get that kiljoy.

Have you bothered to read Edwards' policy papers?

Have you missed Hillary's association with the DLC (aka GOP)?


by cal1942 on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 01:14:24 AM EST
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The Mississippi Valley.... (2.00 / 1)

...has always been, to me, a bellwether as to the mood of the country towards Democrats.  

Don't get me wrong - I love that we're creating a "solid Northeast" and are finally working the local magic in Big Ten country to make it solidly Democratic as well within the next few cycles.  But from Minnesota up north to Louisiana down south, I think there's a region that gives us a good feel for things, and an excellent region to try out new ideas.

Arkansas turning our way for national races should be assessed as thoroughly as possible to see why its so, and the lessons applied to Missouri and Louisiana, for starters.


by palamedes on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:09:28 PM EST

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The description of Arkansas sounds a lot like West Virginia. Two Dem Senators, 2 of 3 Dems Reps. (with a decent shot at WV-02 turning blue this cycle, too), a popular Dem. Gov. would all make this a "true blue" state except that it went for George Bush twice.

The one poll that's out shows our 5 electoral votes are definitely in play this time around.

As others have said, I doubt it'll come down to that, but there are certaintly scenarios where those 5 votes could make W.Va. the swing state.


Visit West Virginia Blue
by WVaBlue on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:21:04 PM EST

Re: Arkansas Swinging Back To Blue (2.00 / 1)

That's a valid comparison.  Arkansas and West Virginia are the only two states, other than the deep-blue ones, where Democrats have a double-digit registration advantage.

In 2004, 41% of Arkansas voters were Democrats and only 31% were Republicans.  Of course, Bush still won in a walk, just as he did in West Virginia.  But the results could easily be different if the ticket didn't have such a blatant North-South cultural divide.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 05:29:03 PM EST
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Well, (none / 0)

in KY the registration advantage is 57% Dems/37% Reps, and I wouldn't call KY a deep-blue state. On the other hand KY has a different congressional representation, with just 2 Dems and 8 Reps.


by micha1976 on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 02:21:11 PM EST
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Arkansas has always been "blue" (2.00 / 1)

Because Arkansas gave its' electoral votes to Bush in 2000 and 2004, there is a misconception that we are some sort of "red state" Republican stronghold.  Arkansas is actually one of the bluest states in the nation. To those of you unfamiliar with Arkansas politics:

Since (at least) 1960, no presidential candidate has been elected won a majority in the electoral college without winning in Arkansas.  We were the only state where Bill Clinton won an outright majority of the votes in 1992.  

Democrats hold both U.S. Senate seats (if you count Mark Pryor as a Democrat), 3 of 4 House seats, all 4 statewide offices, and gigantic supermajorities in both houses of the Arkansas General Assembly - where Democrats have been in the majority since 1874.  (No, that isn't a typo.)

Our state Republican Party is in a continuous state of disarray.  This is due in large part to the fact that the Arkansas GOP routinely nominates candidates who are batshit insane and have a penchant for making things up out of thin air.  For example, 2004 U.S. Senate candidate Jim Holt claims that "Those practicing homosexuality have life spans that are decades lower than the national average, and have extremely high rates of suicide, depression, alcoholism, and drug abuse."

Since the end of Reconstruction, only 3 Republicans have been elected governor, and only 1 Republican - Tim Hutchinson - has been elected to the Senate.  In 2002 Mr. Hutchinson was the only incumbent Republican who lost to a Democrat.


by ofus on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:27:04 PM EST

Re: Arkansas has always been "blue" (none / 0)

 Of course, all of this is true.

 It is worth mentioning that, while Arkansas is blue, it is still a largely rural state with rural values.  Change does not come quickly in a state like Arkansas, or my current home of Tennessee.

 That Arkansas, and to a lesser degree, Tennessee (which is much more Republican than Arkansas) have gone to Republican candidates in the Presidential races of 2000 and 2004 is more a reflection of the unwillingness of those Presidential candidates to actively campaign in these states than the conservatism of those states.

 Gore could have easily won Tennessee, had he campaigned here, giving him the election without the benefit of Florida.

 This is where the guy from "Whistling Past Dixie" gets it wrong.  No Presidential candidate since 1900 has won the office without carrying at least one southern state.  That Arkansas is not treated as a consistent swing state is more a reflection of what's wrong with the consultant class in DC than what's wrong with Arkansas or any other swing state.

 Until we recognize that every electoral vote is important, and campaign as such, Democrats will continue to be dogged with "near" victories.


by vibinc on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 06:46:19 PM EST
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