A Good Start

TPM reader KB is a man (or woman) after my own heart:

Why are the republican presidential candidates the only ones going after their opposite numbers in the other party?

Rudy and the gang have gleefully used Clinton, and to a lesser extent Obama and Edwards as foils and rhetorical ploys in their daily campaigning. But the Democrats running for President never name any of the Republican candidates. Obama could gain serious points by going after Rudy and his wacky team of neocon advisors. Why not do it? What does he have to lose?

But I have to correct KB, the Obama campaign in fact did begin to do this today in response to this ridiculous statement by Rudy Giuliani:

"This is the world we live in. It's not this happy, romantic-like world where we'll negotiate with this one, or we'll negotiate with that one and there will be no preconditions, and we'll invite (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad to the White House, we'll invite Osama (bin Laden) to the White House," Giuliani said.

"Hillary and Obama are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball," he added.

In fact, not only did the Obama team's response go on the attack against Giuliani by name, but it also linked him explicitly to Bush, something I've urged the Democratic presidential candidates to do time and again.

Marc Ambinder has it:

"Mayor Giuliani has stooped to a disgraceful new low that embraces the very worst legacy of George Bush and Dick Cheney's cynicism and divisiveness. We must be united in our determination to hunt down Osama bin Laden, something that George Bush and Rudy Giuliani's disastrous Iraq War has prevented. Mayor Giuliani's cheap applause lines, unfounded political smears, and shoot-first-think-later politics are irresponsible in a campaign, and would be catastrophic in a presidency," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

Exactly:

"George Bush and Rudy Giuliani's disastrous Iraq War."

More of this, please.

And next time...and by next time I mean during Tuesday's debate...the attack should come directly from the senator.



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Back in the day, Edwards was the best at this sort of framing, labelling the unpopular surge as the "McCain Doctrine," calling Giuliani's foreign policy "George Bush without the thinking," and so forth.  Regrettably, they've kind of gotten away from that.

Part of the problem is that Democratic voters are more interested in policies and real solutions as opposed to hearing the sorts of juvenile putdowns the Republicans specialize in.  But still, either you ridicule the Republican version of foreign policy and relegate it to the late-night comedy bits where it belongs, or you're going to have to deal with their idiocy again and again.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:40:03 AM EST

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Unfortunately, it's not only the Republicans who fall for this juvenile putdowns but Democrats too. Most Democrats aren't as smart as they would like to portray themselves as. Why do you think that Edwards isn't polling that great at this point? And don't tell me that the Clinton camp had nothing to do with the smearing of let's see his hair and most Democrats fell for it. Afterall, it is Edwards with all the policies and ideas and true progressive values that would put progressive blogs and bloggers on the map. You know substance? And prominent bloggers are promoting Clinton on the sly. Does anyone see anything wrong with this picture? And for God's sake, stop whining and whinging if Hillary becomes the nominee and if she's to win the general election and starts screwing all of you.


by 12345 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 02:02:42 AM EST
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"Why do you think that Edwards isn't polling that great at this point?"

Here I thought it was because no matter what he says or does, he can't seem to get MSM coverage.  Edwards can present a universal health care proposal, outline what his foreign policy would look like, attack what Bush is doing now or what Rudy is saying now, and he's still invisible.  

Unless he pays $400 for a haircut, of course.

Maybe if the McClurkin business causes Obama to crash and burn, Edwards will start getting some ink as the #1 non-Hillary on the Dem side.  

Or maybe the MSM will pretend that the Dem field is down to just Hillary.

That's why Edwards isn't polling well.


by RT on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:00:29 AM EST
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I don't know if I'm "as smart as I portray myself as," but I'm afraid I wasn't smart enough to follow the point of your comment.

Why is Edwards not polling that well?  Fundamentally, because he's up against a very strong candidate.  If he were up against the 2004 field, I expect he'd capture the nomination with this campaign.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:12:05 AM EST
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Edwards' campaign has called out Rudy (none / 0)

several times during the campaign. Not that the media have noticed much. For instance:

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/headline s/20070810-giuliani-comments/index.html


Chapel Hill, North Carolina - John Edwards for President National Campaign Manager Congressman David Bonior released the following statement in response to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani's comments that he was at ground zero in New York City "as often, if not more" than rescue workers.

"Evidently, Rudy Giuliani has taken a break from reality. It is outrageous for Giuliani to suggest, in any way, shape or form, that he did more at ground zero or spent more time there than the brave first responders who worked tirelessly around the clock for many months during the rescue and recovery operation. It seems that Giuliani is determined to take every opportunity to exploit the memory of 9/11 for political gain, rather than honor the incredible sacrifices of our first responders. Enough is enough.

"Mayor Giuliani should start answering the serious questions of why firefighters and other first responders didn't have proper equipment and support. The 9/11 Commission and National Institute of Standards & Technology reports have documented the failures of the broken radio communications system, a splintered chain of command and an unprepared Office of Emergency Management under his watch as mayor. These are the questions he needs to answer."

Also this:

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/press-re leases/20070805-giuliani-response/index. html

John Edwards for President National Press Secretary Eric Schultz released the following statement about Rudy Giuliani's comments today during the GOP debate attacking Senator John Edwards' plan to restore fairness to our tax code. Edwards recently released a plan that raises the tax rate on capital gains to 28 percent for families earning more than $250,000. Additionally, Edwards proposed a "Get Ahead" credit cutting taxes on the savings of Americans up to $75,000.

"Today, Rudy Giuliani showed yet again that all he has to offer America is four more years of George W. Bush. Giuliani, Bush and the greedy special interests they represent want to keep Washington rigged. That all ends when John Edwards is sworn-in, the lobbyists are kicked out, and regular people start getting a fair shot."


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:23:25 AM EST

Re: Edwards' campaign has called out Rudy (2.00 / 1)

But both of those are press releases from August. Here it is, almost November, and instead of calling out Republicans, he's claiming his fellow Democrats are corrupt just like Republicans.

You don't hear that kind of stuff on the other side of the aisle. And that's how they win elections. Democrats need to be more disciplined about their message if they want to see a Democrat in the White House.


by LakersFan on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 02:14:06 PM EST
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You must not be following the Republican campaign pretty closely if you don't think any of them are criticizing the Republican Party.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:14:52 PM EST
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The Republican candidates have been attacking Clinton, not each other.

Democratic candidates should be attacking Giuliani, Bush, Romney, etc., not each other.


by LakersFan on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:33:32 PM EST
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Let's look at a sampling of recent news items.

Giuliani Criticizes GOP on Spending

Republican Romney ad criticizes his party and calls for change

McCain criticizes rivals

Huckabee criticizes Bush, praises Clintons

Fred Thompson criticizes Giuliani and Romney

I could go on, and on, and on...


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:58:06 PM EST
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Re: Edwards' campaign has called out Rudy (none / 0)

But did you see the stats from the last GOP debate? I can't find the link right now, but Hillary Clinton was by far the name mentioned most often.


by LakersFan on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:06:07 PM EST
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also, to be fair (none / 0)

I should note that Biden has called out Rudy while campaigning in Iowa. For instance, this is from a liveblog of a Biden campaign stop in Iowa in July:

http://commoniowan.blogspot.com/2007/07/ joe-biden-liveblog-in-des-moines.html


Biden opens it up for questions. I miss the first question, but Biden is using it to talk about national security. Biden says we haven't implemented any of the national security initiatives from the 9/11 commission because this administration doesn't want to mess up with their tax cuts.

Biden says he can't wait to debate Rudy Giulliani on the issue of national security because he will eat him for lunch. The notion of Democrats being weak on terror is totally wrong. He explains the reason we failed in New Orleans is because the national guard can't communicate with the local police. The FBI can't communicate with the mayor. The reason they can't communicate is the radio companies were given ownership of the bandwidth when radio was switching from digital and analog. These companies don't want to give this bandwidth back and our national security is weakened because of it. If there is no reason to have public financed elections, it is this.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:25:21 AM EST

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George Bush and Rudy Giuliani's disastrous Iraq War

Remember that only Barack Obama can say this.  If Hillary tried to use this line it would sound completely ridiculous since she voted for the Iraq War and supported it for years.


by Will Graham on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:09:27 AM EST

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Yes, yes, yes.  Don't allow the Republican candidates to distance themselves from W.  I propose we start calling them "Wudy", "John McBush", and "Fred W. Thompson".    


Bush. McCain. - The result will be the same. JohnMcBush.com
by NoMcW on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:30:50 AM EST


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