Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face Off at Tonight's Debate?

Senator Edwards has led the way in cleaning up the corruption in Washington. He has refused to accept money from Washington lobbyists and called for a number of measures to "Return the Power in Washington to Regular Americans."

Yesterday, Edwards addressed this issue again, in his speech, "The Moral Test of our Generation," specifically calling out Hillary Clinton for her continuing to take Washington Lobbyist donations and her ongoing defense of them:

  Senator Clinton's road to the middle class takes a major detour right through the deep canyon of corporate lobbyists and the hidden bidding of K Street in Washington - and history tells us that when that bus stops there it is the middle class that loses.

  When I asked Hillary Clinton to join me in not taking money from Washington lobbyists - she refused.  Not only did she say that she would continue to take their money, she defended them.

  Today, Senator Edwards appeared on the Early Show, where he discussed Senator Clinton's "major detour right through the deep canyon of corporate lobbyists and the hidden bidding of K Street in Washington."



As Edwards stated again in his speech yesterday, Hillary has taken more money from Washington Lobbyists than any candidate:


Today Hillary Clinton has taken more money from Washington lobbyists than any candidate from either party - more money than any Republican candidate.

  She has taken more money from the defense industry than any other candidate from either party as well.

  She took more money from Wall Street last quarter than Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and Barack Obama combined.

  The long slow slide of our democracy into the corporate abyss continues unabated regardless of party, regardless of the best interests of America.

  We have a duty - a duty to end this.

The question is, will Hillary stand up for regular Americans or continue to defend the status quo?

The MSNBC Presidential Debate tonight may well offer another opportunity for voters to see if Hillary will rise up to the "Moral Test of our Generation" or whether or not she will avoid the hard questions, skirt around the issues, and turn her back on the heart and soul of the Democratic Party.


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Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (2.00 / 5)

Excellent interview.  Points out the issue well.  the followup is not that good in showing why this is a problem.

However Edwards comes across with clear statements about what is wrong in DC right now.  

Of course Hillary will defend the status quo, and so will her supporters here on the blogs.

We need to reclaim the government for the people.


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by pioneer111 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:23:01 PM EST

Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (2.00 / 3)

Yes, I agree. Hillary is willing to throw regular Americans to the wolves to appease her corporate donors.

I wonder if she will come out from under cover on the Peru Free Trade Agreement tonight?

Of course, Edwards is opposed to it, Obama supports it and Hillary thus far has been silent on it.


by NCDemAmy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:28:21 PM EST
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At 10% or so in the polls .... (2.00 / 1)

My guess is Clinton will treat an Edwards attack much like a Mike Gravel attack.  Really there only about 9.9% that seperate Edwards and Gravel ... that ain't much.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:44:54 PM EST

Re: At 10% or so in the polls .... (2.00 / 1)

If Hillary cares that people in the early primary states are watching, she may consider giving a straight answer.

And these debates are about giving answers to us voters, not about ignoring a source you don't care for. It is OK for Hillary to ignore the other candidates. It is not OK for her to ignore answering questions that the American people want to hear answers to.


by bettync on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:55:15 PM EST
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Moderators ask questions (none / 0)

I would expect Clinton to respond.

Edwards is not a moderator.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 02:04:31 PM EST
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We need to see the truth NOW (2.00 / 3)

I hope the debate questions will help bring out the truth about Hillary. I hope she will state clearly why she supported the Lieberman bill to give President Bush more authority to take action against Iran. I hope someone will press her to explain the growing number of fundraising irregularities.

Edwards will speak out, and hopefully Hillary will not dodge the questions as she usually does.

It bothers me very much that so many stories about Hillary's ties to big corporations, and to fundraising irregularities, are not reaching the mainstream press.

This morning the Charlotte Observer online ran the link to the damaging story about the Stan Lee fundraiser. I was pleased to see that the Observer is starting to let their readers see the facts and make up their own minds.

http://www.charlotte.com/news/ap_news/st ory/339938.html

I also hope the debate helps more people hear all of John Edward's great ideas! He has so many plans to help real working people, and many of them don't even know it! I hope this debate has a lot of viewers!


by bettync on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:50:47 PM EST

This link goes straight to the video.. (2.00 / 1)

http://video.google.com/videoplaydocid=7 007109937779036019


by bettync on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 01:52:13 PM EST
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Re: We need to see the truth NOW (none / 0)

WHERE did the Lieberman vote GIVE BUSH AUTHORITY to take action against Iran?   That is just way too ignorant a talking-point to let stand.  

I GET that you dislike Hillary with a passion.  But you can't make stuff up to suit your needs.  It is not cool to do so.  If you simply don't understand what the "sense of the Senate" vote was about, I suggest you read up on it or review a very excellent diary SteveM posted here not too long ago with an explanation.  


by georgep on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 02:00:35 PM EST
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Re: We need to see the truth NOW (none / 0)

We have all heard absolutely ENOUGH from Hillary supporters making the allegation that because they disagree with her positions that they dislike her immensely (code word haters). This is absolute bullshit.

I am not sure why Clinton supporters throw this nonsense into the debate on a regular basis. I guess  you find it hard to imagine that someone could just disagree strongly with someone based upon principle. Apparently this viewpoint isn't in a Hillary supporters DNA. To you all, disagreeing strongly with Senator Clinton is hating her.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 09:38:26 AM EST
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Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (none / 0)

I hope Edwards realizes he has to walk a fine line here in terms of keeping supporters like myself.

I support Edwards and I believe he does a good thing when he identifies the problems with our system.  But he has to be careful when he makes it about Hillary personally.  Over 80% of Democrats have a favorable opinion of Hillary - myself among them - and you can't win the nomination if you alienate all the Hillary supporters, even if you consolidate every anti-Hillary vote.

I'm just not receptive to the argument that Hillary Clinton is a corporate stooge.  She takes lots of money from corporate lobbyists, but what's her record?  When big business wanted to pass the Bankruptcy Bill, she was against it.  When big business wanted to pass CAFTA, she was against it.  I haven't loved every vote she's cast, particularly on foreign policy, but you simply can't cast her as a shill for K Street.

What the Republicans did in terms of selling off the government to the highest bidder was absolutely shameful.  Since taking power in 2006, the Democrats have actually done quite a bit to restore the balance in the opposite direction, but there's still plenty of work to be done.  Democrats are far from perfect, but this party is still the solution and not the problem in my book.

When Edwards talks about the issues, he makes a connection with voters and he's very persuasive.  The net impact is to move the entire primary in a progressive direction and that's good for all of us.  I sure hope he'll get back to that without making the mistake of over-personalizing the attacks, because it truly can be a turnoff for people like me.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 02:09:06 PM EST

Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (2.00 / 1)

Good point.

It's not easy to make a case for change/reform vs. status quo, without sounding like a scold, and to stand up for your party while also acknowledging that it, too, needs to be part of the change/reform.


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:49:36 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (2.00 / 1)

It's not easy, but Edwards is up to the task.

The truth needs to be said and voters deserve to see the differences between the candidates.

It can be done without resorting to personal attacks.


by NCDemAmy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:00:52 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (none / 0)

Steve, I respect your thoughtful analysis of the issue.  However, I am quite alarmed by the connections between Mark Penn, Senator Clinton, and Blackwater and what those connections may portend for the future.  Did you see the Bill Moyer piece on Blackwater?  If not, I would recommend reading through the transcript.  Here's a section that bothered me:


BILL MOYERS: I was intrigued to learn that the PR-agency that is handling Prince, Burson-Marsteller , is also the guy who heads - the CEO is also Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Mark Penn.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Mark Penn.

BILL MOYERS:Mark Penn. Sort of-- he's been called Hillary's Rove. What-- I know something about how this system works. How a PR company comes to you and says hey I've got this client that would like to be on air here. Here's how we'd like to do it. And then, you see the same thing in being repeated from show to show to show -- like Hillary Clinton was on all five of the Sunday morning talk shows recently. What have you learned about how the system works between the political and media elites?

JEREMY SCAHILL:Well, I mean, PR-companies are also mercenaries and I know oftentimes work for the highest bidder. I think it's interesting that--

BILL MOYERS: They're not shooting people though.

JEREMY SCAHILL: No, no, no. But they're mercenaries in the sense that they'll rent their services out to anyone. And once you're defending Erik Prince, you're working for him, then you become part of his sort of mercenary operation. I also think that it was a strategic choice to go with the company with Mark Penn because of his connection with the democrats and Hillary Clinton.

But let's, lets remember here we're talking about Blackwater right now because we have a Republican administration. For so many years, we had a Republican dominated Congress. Blackwater is certainly the beneficiary of the Republican monopoly in government. But this system has been bi-partisan for a very long time.

When Hillary Clinton's husband was in the White House, he was an aggressive supporter of the privatization of the war machine. Bill Clinton used mercenary forces in the Balkans. Who do we think gave Dick Cheney's company all of those contracts during the Nineties? We talk about Halliburton. It was Clinton. It was the Clinton administration. And and, Blackwater may be an extraordinary Republican company. But they're gonna be around when there's a Democrat in office.

Thinking of these issues, I really wonder how Senator Clinton can be an honest broker with all the money she has accepted from defense interests.  It is even harder for me to see how she will be able to tackle the Herculaen task of cleaning out Bush's Augean stables when the money she has taken leaves her very vulnerable to having muck thrown right back at her for being a hypocrite (just as John Kerry had trouble arguing against Iraq because of his 2002 vote.)

 


John McCain doesn't think kids need health insurance
by katerina on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:21:58 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Edwards does best (none / 0)

I agree Steve, and his poll numbers in Iowa are trending down.  He either isn't connecting the dots, or he needs to focus more on his excellent proposals, and differentiate them with Hillary's, and Obama's.  I don't think the lobbyist meme is sticking, and, or he isn't fully explaining how she is compromised.  I want money out of politics and I do think it's influences votes and policy, but the correlation is hard to prove.  Also, I think she's a terrible triangulator, but as you said, her votes (although I'm convinced it's because she's a senator from a blue state) don't back up his assertion.  


by santamonicadem on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:31:52 PM EST

Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Edwards does best (2.00 / 1)

It's still essentially a dead heat in Iowa.

Keep in mind, that as Edwards said on the Early show today (video clip in main entry), Hillary and Obama each have spent millions on ads in Iowa. Naturally, Obama and Hillary have recieved some boost from their millions in ads.

Edwards has not run ads in Iowa yet.


by NCDemAmy on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:02:45 PM EST
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What I Wish She'd Say (none / 0)

"I remember in 2000 the Democratic Party Candidate was attacked by a third party Candidate.  This third Party Candidate said the Democratic Party candidate was too in debted to Corporate Interests, that the Democratic Party Candidate had accepted to much Corporate and Lobbyist money.  There was some discussion at the time about how to deal with this attack, and I believed then as I believe now that the answer is very simple.  Look at Al Gore's Record.  Anyone who looked at Al Gore's record would come to the conclusion that he would never do anything but fight for the betterment of every American.

I Don't believe there's a person in this room who doesn't wish the 2000 election had worked out differently than it did."

[applause]

"Now.  Has the situation in Washington DC gotten out of control over the last 8 years?  You bet it sure has.  I will put an end to no-bid Contracts and back-room deals.  I commit to a Government of Accountability and a Government of Transparency.  I must confess I won't wage a war on Corporations, in my view being a friend to business isn't a bad thing.  But I will put any and all transactions on a Website and a Politicians Record will always speak for itself."


by Edgar08 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:06:31 PM EST

Re: What I Wish She'd Say (none / 0)

Im in class right now and not being able to see the debate.....Did Hillary say this? If so.......GO HILLARY! PUT THOSE BOYS IN THERE PLACE!


by boxer4hrc on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:59:55 PM EST
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My Understanding (none / 0)

The Debates starts at 6pm Pacific Time.


by Edgar08 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:20:04 PM EST
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Re: Edwards (none / 0)

LOL  nevermind....now I see your heading! lol  

Yeah I wish she would say that too!


by boxer4hrc on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:00:50 PM EST

Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: Will there be a Face (2.00 / 1)

the Democratic Party Candidate was attacked by a third party Candidate

IF she says this, she loses the nomination and the general election. In fact, its precisely why as a lifelong Democrat, Im not sure I can give time or money to Clinton if she is the nominee.

Hilary Clinton does not own the Democratic party; it belongs to us, the voters. Those of us who would prefer the party put forth a more progressive platform on issues like trade, foreign policy, the environment and the economy than she is running on, and who think our country, our party and our democracy would be well served to put an end to the form of legalized bribery that we see in corporate lobbyist big-money financing of our elections -- those of who think that, we're not a "third party," thank you.

Its our party too. And if enough of us agree in January, it'll be our candidate and our platform, too.

Its infuriating beyond words to have you suggest that those of us supporting a different candidate from your Establishment, DC-insider favorite are the equivalent of a Nader, third-party bid.


by desmoulins on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:03:26 PM EST

desoulins (none / 0)

Take the time to read Hillary's proposals and agenda on Trade and on every single issue you mentioned in your post.  

She is the most Progressive candidate in the top tier.  It is well-informed people, who take the time to read each candidate's proposals; and then read them again.  This affords you the opportunity to watch a debate like the one coming up this evening and really "get it".  

When it comes to Hillary, I wish to submit that you don't "get it".


by samueldem on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:22:36 PM EST
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Re: desoulins (none / 0)

I've looked at her, Edwards' and Obama's positions on a lot of issues closely. On trade, whats her position on the Peru trade treaty?

Obama's for it. Edwards is against it.

AFL-CIO, SEIU and many progressive economists think it has insufficient safeguards on workier's rights and environmental protection.


by desmoulins on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 02:08:29 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Targets Hillary: (none / 0)

Hillary has certainly answered all of the important questions that I have had in terms of policies, and I especially respect the very realistic way in which she presents them. There is no obscurity in her proposals at all.  And zero exaggeration.

I have been following Hillary Clinton's career for many years. She is a fine human being with a tremendous heart.  And she is very very powerful and I have yet to see her exploit her power.  She is also humble. I would be extremely proud to have her as our President.  

Everyone will try to beat her up tonight.  They have no choice -- she is leading now in every state poll and nationally, by huge and growing margins.  She is the favorite of the Democratic Party (a majority of).  Edwards and Obama get one chance tonight (maybe two) to attack Hillary and try to outshine her.  How will they frame their attacks?  Will they be calm cool collected and unflappable?  

Obama and Edwards have been planning their lines of attack against Hillary for weeks. For this debate coming up.

My question:  How well do they really know her?  So far, they're not batting a very good average.

She'll kick ass tonight.


by samueldem on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:17:45 PM EST

Re:Desperation & Tension (2.00 / 1)

"P.S. Edwards is not an outsider. He could not win a 2nd term in NC & decided to play the outsider.

Let's face it. John Edwards could QUIT the race tomorrow & challenge Dole for her seat & he would lose by a big margin. lets get that straight!"

I suppose after repeating a lie so many times you'll actually begin to believe it.


by KainIIIC on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:30:49 PM EST

You don't know (none / 0)

Some of you don't "get it" when it comes to Hillary, because you have accepted inaccurate, twisted, stretched and oft-repeated mantras about Hillary. Now that "your" candidates are going after her, the hatred increases.  This is what happens.  The candidate works his followers like a fine instrument.  But Edwards and Obama are preaching to the choir.  

Hillary's support is wide, deep and loyal, and it is growing steadily.

More and more people ARE taking the time to find out about her.  I see it among my Democratic and Repubican friends and acquaintances.  Hillary's run for President has freed her completely.  She is no longer just Bill's wife.  She is no longer any of the caricatures some of you so quickly bought into about her.  

Even if Hillary doesn't win the Presidency, she has done something that was considered impossible - she has shown who she really is to the world.

I don't in a million dreams think John Edwards or Barack Obama could bring her vision and years-wisened political acumen to the office of President.  In my view, and in the view of almost everyone I know, Hillary should and will be our next President.  That's how much we believe in her.

I am a former Deaniac. It took me 2.5 years to heal after Bush robbed Gore of his victory.

I am a Progressive.


by samueldem on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 08:33:01 PM EST

Re: You don't know (none / 0)

Hillary was full of double talk tonight. If that is who she really is, then the voters will come to see it, more and more. I believe it is.

Edwards clearly won tonight. He was honest, straightforward and actually answered the questions, unlike Hillary, esp on the licenses for illegal immigrants question, where she answered it two different ways within two minutes.  


by NCDemAmy on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 02:06:18 AM EST
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Re:Desperation & Tension (none / 0)

Don't base your conclusions on false information.

From Fox News exit polls (and they were not likely to favor Edwards)

In the senate race, the Republicans gained the seat formerly held by John Edwards (search). If Edwards had run for reelection against Republican Richard Burr (search), it appears Edwards would have held on to his seat by a 53 percent -- 47 percent margin. Seven percent of those voters that would have voted for Edwards voted for Burr.

Where is your data from?

If Edwards had been the top of the ticket he would have won the presidency for Democrats.

Edwards won his senate seat from an incumbent Republican in a red state.  That is quite the achievement.  

Edwards has been laying the groundwork for the early states.  I hope Clinton believes the polls.  
Edwards will win Iowa and now with FoE Action and SEIU helping he will win NH too.


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 01:32:41 AM EST


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