ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Protest

Yesterday I printed "part" of an ABC News article about what went on at the Obama Gospel Tour in South Carolina.  This morning I woke up and saw that the diary was removed because whoever edits MyDD wanted a link to the article.  They sent a warning sometime past midnight wanting me to provide a link or the diary would be removed.  Well, this morning I decided not only to provide a link BUT post the entire article........ here is the link http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS tory?id=3787717

Here is the article

A Grammy-winning singer whose role in a Barack Obama campaign event riled gay activists served as master of ceremonies of a gospel concert promoting the Democratic presidential hopeful Sunday night.

"We're here," Donnie McClurkin told a cheering crowd. "We're here and we're glad we're here."

McClurkin, who has angered gay rights groups by saying homosexuality is a choice, told the crowd the musical acts were there "in the name of unity" and "in the name of change."

An hour earlier, outside the concert venue, about two dozen gay and lesbian group supporters marched and carried a rainbow flag.

McClurkin was headlining an "Embrace the Change" concert that capped a weekend of gospel music that Obama, an Illinois senator, is hoping to use to recruit churchgoers and music lovers in this early voting state.

But McClurkin's presence created a rift as gay and lesbian activists tried to force Obama to boot the singer from the lineup. Obama wouldn't budge, but he tried to quell the anger by adding an openly gay pastor to the event. McClurkin, who has said he does not believe in discriminating against homosexuals, spent much of Sunday evening introducing the acts.

Obama did not attend the event, but in a video played for more than 2,000 at the Township Auditorium he called the evening's acts "inspirational talent" that were among his favorites.

The people in the crowd agreed with their feet, standing and waving and clapping hands to the blaring music, regularly joining in to sing.

Obama has been courting churchgoers heavily in South Carolina. Earlier this month, he spent two Sundays at churches in Columbia and Greenville.

By the way, my first diary about this received about 50 comments in less than 1 hour.......



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Truthfully, I was expecting there would be cheers for him so I'm not surprised.  People who had a problem with it probably wouldn't go. Don't expect the gay community to forget this, though- they won't.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 08:09:20 AM EST

My position is now different (none / 0)

I had been quite vociferous about NOT running down Obama for the sins of this guy in the past. Now, it appears that he has violated his parole, and used the bully pulpit of the Obama campaign to bash gays.

That's wrong.  I now blame Obama's campaign for not controlling this guy.


by dataguy on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 01:29:05 PM EST
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What's The Point Of This Diary? (2.00 / 1)

As an Obama supporter, I really wish you would just let this issue go away. What's the point of rubbing it in everyone else's face? It's in really bad taste.


by HatchInBrooklyn on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 08:13:33 AM EST

Unbelievable (2.00 / 2)

What is being rubbed in is discrimination in the face of the gay and lesbian community.

It is UNBELIEVABLE that this piece of %$^& is part of a Democratic event.  I would not expect this even from the Republicans.

There's a link to this here also:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 7/10/29/obama-supporter-god-delivered-me -from-homosexuality/


by silver spring on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 08:52:07 AM EST
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Re: What's The Point Of This Diary? (none / 0)

I find it very puzzling that you think it's in bad taste for people to critisize Obama for this.  What I think is in bad taste (to put it mildly) is that Obama did this. McClurkin has said much worse things than what is quoted in this diary, and Obama shouldn't allow a guy like this to be associated of his campaign.


Buddhist Clintonistas for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:07:37 AM EST
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Re: What's The Point Of This Diary? (none / 0)

I think he means that it's in bad taste for the diarist to gloat about the fact that McClurkin drew cheers and little protest.


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:40:41 AM EST
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You Misunderstood Me (none / 0)

I don't think the criticism is in bad taste. I am an Obama supporter, and I understand why people were and still are upset about this. I think it's in bad taste for an apparent Obama supporter to post a taunting, gloating, "Ha ha gay people, McClurkin showed up anyway and you only got 20 people out there to protest" diary. It's idiotic and embarrassing.


by HatchInBrooklyn on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:42:33 AM EST
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Re: You Misunderstood Me (none / 0)

My fault, I completely misunderstood your meaning.  My apologies.


Buddhist Clintonistas for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 08:00:45 PM EST
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Re: What's The Point Of This Diary? (none / 0)

There are people here who think McClurkin is right- they just don't want to come out and say it- have you noticed?  They're masking it with other language but you can tell.  Of course, people have the right to think they want but at least quit the subterfuge and come out with it.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 02:59:18 PM EST
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Before and after the rally (none / 0)

Before the rally, people said this guy had the wrong attitude.  I don't buy that stuff, so I defended Obama, and called this a witch hunt.

Now, the situation is different.  The guy has made statements that Obama should not agree with from the stage of the Obama rally.  Someone in the Obama camp is really an idiot, and failed to clarify matters to this guy.  Now, we have STATEMENTS made from the OBAMA STAGE, which are offensive.  

That's gonna really damage the Obama campaign.  He's dead now.


by dataguy on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 01:31:18 PM EST
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Re: Before and after the rally (none / 0)

what did he say -- sry i've had a crazy few days


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 02:45:24 PM EST
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At the very end, McClurkin said the following, after first saying "I know I'm going to get in some trouble for saying this":

"Don't call me a bigot or anti-gay, when I have been touched by the same feelings," McClurkin went on. "When I have suffered with the same feelings. Don't call me a homophobe, when I love everybody ... Don't tell me that I stand up and I say vile words against the gay community because I don't. I don't speak against the homosexual. I tell you that God delivered me from homosexuality."

Just so there is a more complete picture, I should add the following info from the WaPo article about the event:

A gay South Carolina pastor, Andy Sidden, gave the prayer that opened the event, a compromise the Obama campaign put together after McClurkin's appearance was attacked by gay rights activists. Sidden's prayer noted the importance of people of all races, backgrounds and sexual orientations coming together.

Also, some literature was handed out saying "MCCLURKIN DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE GAYS AND LESBIANS WHO ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR LIVES AND HAS CRITICIZED CHURCH LEADERS WHO DEMONIZE HOMOSEXUALS," with quotes detailing those statements from the singer.

The next paragraph then stated, "OBAMA DOES NOT AGREE WITH MCCLURKIN'S VIEWS ON GAYS."


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 03:03:44 PM EST
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Re: Before and after the rally (none / 0)

his remarks would have been fine except for the very last sentence

"I tell you that God delivered me from homosexuality.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:24:04 PM EST
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Re: Before and after the rally (none / 0)

I did not read anywhere that McClurkin made damaging remarks right there on stage.  That is serious business, as, if that is true, it would bring this issue into a completely new stratosphere altogether and would indeed damage Obama's campaign tremendously.  That is why I think you really need to bring proof about what you claim here, direct quotes, an article about this, links, audio.   Please flesh out your comments with a link or audio that supports what you claim here, as that is the requirement for a verification of a serious new development like the one you claim to have occured.    


by georgep on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 03:05:00 PM EST
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Nevermind, I found it:

http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama -supporter-blasts-gays-at-gospel.html

Absolutely incredible.  So, instead of just singing and getting the appearance over with McClurkin actually had to get into politics, bash the "blogs," claim that he was "delivered" from homosexuality?   The worst thing that could have happened in the entire saga did.  

Kos had a frontpager on this earlier today, and he summed it up this way:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1 0/29/115437/41

"Aravosis nails it:

So, in the end, Obama let his "best" and "favorite" artist slam gays to thousands of African-Americans, in his name, and neither he nor his hand-chosen white gay preacher said anything in response. Class act, that Obama campaign. For them, creating a "dialogue" means the gay-basher gets to spread his bigotry to thousands while the candidate and the token gay STFU.

It's an all-out implosion by the Obama campaign. This truly is indefensible."


by georgep on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 03:19:24 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (2.00 / 1)

Discrimination is not being rubbed in,  all were welcomed at that concert, if gays were not welcomed that wouldve been discrimation.  If you are a fan of Gospel music you know there are Gospel singers that are gay BUT they choose not to publicize it.  


by allmiview on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 09:16:39 AM EST

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"... all were welcomed at that concert ..."

so Neo-Nazis would be welcomed also ???


by silver spring on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 10:32:58 AM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

yes and white identity nationalists.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:23:50 AM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

Why does it always have to be about race?  Anything you disagree with Obama about you always attack him by saying "did you know that he is black?"  It's obvious that you never had any intention of voting for Obama, even if he did not hold that concert.


by allmiview on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:43:52 AM EST
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White liberals kill me with their double standard bull sh*t!  Bill Clinton invited William Fulbright, a life long segregationist, into the Democratic fold to sure up the bubba vote and it was defended as political pragmatism to win the south.  Democrats as a whole are a bunch of hypocrits and I include myself because if we didn't posess a degree of homophobia we would support gay marriage, but the majority of Democrats DON'T.  At least the bigots admit they think homosexuality is a sin; Democrats just talk around the damn issue by saying we believe that homosexuality is choice, but we still won't give you full and equal rights, which quite frankly is worse!


by Dee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 01:03:57 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

Sorry, I meant to say Democrats talk around the issue by simply saying that homosexuality is NOT a choice...


by Dee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 01:25:12 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (2.00 / 0)

So what if there are closeted gospel singers?  Does that make McClurkins anti-gay stance any less offensive? Does it make it OK for Obama to have this guy associated with his campaign in a very public way?


Buddhist Clintonistas for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:10:21 AM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (2.00 / 1)

As an atheist, I'm offended by the prevalent Christian belief that I'm going to burn in hell  Yet, I have no objection to any candidate associating with Christians who hold such beliefs. To insist that they not would be both wrong and impractical, it seems to me.

I don't see how my position differs from that of those angry about this. Our country is and always will be deeply divided on issues of religion, sexual morality, and more. To be sure, liberalism takes a certain amount of pride in its permissive view toward pluralism. So long as our laws don't unfairly advantage a particular sexual orientation or religion, I'm fine with pluralism on matters of personal morality, religion, etc. I don't feel the need or inclination to insist on consensus about these things. In fact, battles over the soul of the culture seem naive and anti-liberal to me.


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:01:09 PM EST
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Well, I'm an atheist as well but there is a difference, I don't remember the last time a teenage atheist committed suicide or was beat up, hospitalized or killed because of what they were.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 03:06:50 PM EST
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I take your point, but the distinction isn't crystal clear. There is surely lots of indoctrination of children, and this has serious consequences. I don't think we should tolerate indoctrination, nor should we tolerate physical and mental abuse of gay people. I do think think we must tolerate differences of conscience and religious belief, however.


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 04:09:44 PM EST
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Just to be clear, I'm referring to religious indoctrination in the comment above. See Jesus Camp, the documentary, to see how sad it can get.


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 04:10:57 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

This is much closer to a devout racist activist being accepted as part of Obama's "big campaign tent" than an atheist-believer comparison.    


by georgep on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 03:22:53 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

No it's not. A racist denies that certain people lack equal intrinsic value--that their lives are fundamentally less important. McClurkin doesn't ascribe a lower status to homosexuals. Rather, he believes the behavior is sinful. That is more like my grandmother loving me despite her sincere belief that my beliefs are sinful and warrant eternal damnation.

McClurkin's beliefs appear to be primarily religious--although his personal history informs them as well, I would imagine--and related to his assessment of what constitutes sinful behavior. He does not think those who are attracted to the same-sex are necessarily sinners. Also, there are many quotes from McClurkin in which he states that he does not believe in discriminating against gay people. And his support for Obama (and indirectly his policies) indicates his passive support of Obama's gay-friendly public policy.

Hell, Oprah loves the guy--and introduced him to Obama, as I understand--and I don't think she would be so fond of him if he was that hostile to gay people as persons. Furthermore, there are distinguished philosophers like Alexander Pruss and Ed Feser who argue for beliefs similar to McClurkins (see the blog Right Reason). I don't know any philosopher who defends racism. Of course, I disagree with these views completely (I'm as socially liberal as they come), but I'm familiar with the theistic arguments against homosexual conduct, and it plainly doesn't involve an ascription of lower status as a person.

The racists' denial of equal intrinsic value is significant because liberalism--as least the kind I defend--considers such fundamental equality as axiomatic. Those views are entitled to less tolerance since they threaten the stability and legitimacy of political institutions.  


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 04:06:01 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

The above should say "the racist claims that certain people lack equal intrinsic value."


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:31:32 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: McClurkin Wins Cheers Despite Prote (none / 0)

I have to disagree.  Many racists are very similar to the homophobes.  The sly racist will frame it in a fashion that the actual person (i.e. a celebrity like Oprah or Will Smith) is not really included, that indeed the "issue" is mostly an indictment on major crime in this country, drug abuse and drug dealing in one's neighborhood.  In that sense the racist does not subscribe a lower value to the person with a different color, but to their lifestyle, their "sinful" lifestyle of (in their minds) crime, drugs, loose morals, mind-poisoning rap music, etc.    I don't see a big difference between a sly racist like that and this guy.   Keep in mind also that what you compared it to - the overt racist - also exists in the world of homophobes.  Many homophobes have indeed made it a point to put down the person as inferior.  

I blame ignorance in all four of these cases.


by georgep on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:59:56 PM EST
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Well, that kind of indirect racism is so pervasive that I'm sure all the campaigns are associated with someone fitting the description. In any event, your original analogy said "devout racist," which evokes very highly objectionable figures like Klan members and white supremicists. The more diluted, and less ideological, form of racism you describe doesn't work as strongly for your argument. For instance, although the Dukes of Hazzard guy who supports Edwards was accused of being a similar kind of indirect racist, the outrage was far more tame than what has been directed at Obama.


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 06:17:59 PM EST
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I would add that i disagree with the kind of gloating that appears to motivate a diary like this. My comment above was just in response to the idea that Obama or other candidates should avoid any association with socially conservative voices. I disagree, all though I would have a problem with socially conservative policies.


by DPW on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:04:41 PM EST
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Yes you are rubbing it in (none / 0)

you are gloating.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:28:52 AM EST
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Stop (none / 0)

You are most definitely rubbing it in, gloating like this is unnecessary and not helpful to Obama's campaign in any way


by HatchInBrooklyn on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:49:25 AM EST
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you can't just copy the AP's article (2.00 / 1)

Come on.


John McCain is a Bush ally on Social Security.
by John DE on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 09:27:58 AM EST

More bigotry from you. (2.00 / 2)

Despicable.

That the Obama campaign used this bigot to promte Obama speaks volumes.


by TomP on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 09:56:15 AM EST

Why your previous diary was deleted (none / 0)

1. "whoever edits MyDD" - this person is called The Owner or Admins. There are standards here that are expected of all diarists.

2. Posting the entire article violates copyright law.  Posting a link and no more than about 1/3 of the article does not.

3. Learning the standards and community norms are good ideas before posting diaries and whining about the actions of admins or the site owner.


by edgery on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:04:08 PM EST

What I want Democrats to think about: (2.00 / 1)

Here's something I want Democratic primary voters to think long and hard about:

Barrack Obama has single-handedly sparked a confrontration between two key Democratic constituent groups: the southern African American community and the LGBT community.

These two groups were minding their own business. Fired up and ready to go to help elect a Democrat in 2008. For reasons that escape me, Obama poked and prodded until both communities are riled up.

Why? Do you think Obama is helping the Democratic Party? If he is this politically tone deaf now, what would happen if he were the nominee? Maybe provoke a fight between the unions and the teachers? Between the Latino voters and the African American voters?


by hwc on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 03:26:56 PM EST

Re: What I want Democrats to think about: (none / 0)

oh you just gave me an opening --

maybe its because he's naive and irresponsible...

Oh boy -


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:22:55 PM EST
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