DCCC Endorsing Clinton?

There is a diary on Daily Kos, questioning the ethics of the DCCC sending out an email on Bill Clinton's behalf, celebrating Hillary Clinton's Birthday.

On the bottom is paid for by DCCC, and many have put snapshots up of the intital email.

The bothersome part of all of this is that all the links revert you back to fundraising pages for Hillary Clinton, to donate to her campaign.

The DCCC has a spokesman over at kos trying to explain the situation but many are angered to get this email, when the DCCC's primary function is to raise money for House Democrats to get them elected.  Their function is not to get email addresses for presidential candidates and use the DCCC to fundraise on these campaigns behalf.

Lastly, it looks ethically wrong.  And people are weighing in from all the campaigns, even Clinton's, stating the DCCC should never have done this.

Another tawdry question about how the Clintons will do whatever for themselves to foresake the party.

Read it, it is all there.  And truly pathetic.



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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

This is another manufactured 'controversy', it's just ridiculous on a daily basis.

Per politico:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1 007/An_email_from_the_DCCC.html


UPDATE: It's a "list-swap," says DCCC spokeswoman Jennifer Crider. The campaign committee -- as Politico reported yesterday (!) -- is trying to broaden its fundraising base with an offer to send an email on a candidate's behalf to its list, in exchange for access to their similar-sized lists. The offer has been extended to Clinton, Obama, and Edwards; Clinton is the only one to take them up on it so far.

Mystery solved.

Obama and Edwards were given the same opportunity but they declined in order to save their precious email lists.

Stop whining...


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:35:56 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Ummm.  More to that.  If you can read.


by iamready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:43:15 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

I still think it should be extended to all the Presidential candidates.  I hope that is the case.

That being said, the appearance of a "quasi-endorsement" is still troublesome to me.


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:50:56 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

the offer was extended to all candidates


by georgep on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:57:14 PM EST
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Not True (2.00 / 1)

It was extended to the three candidates who have big email lists that the DCCC wants to get its hands on: Clinton, Edwards and Obama.


by HatchInBrooklyn on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:19:06 PM EST
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She is the frontrunner (none / 0)

Her husband is the popular ex President.

That is going to upset the haters.  But what can be done about that?


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:42:07 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Here is what the DCCC posted:

DCCC NOT endorsing Presidentials

Brandon from the DCCC here:

I don't know if you all saw our Howard Dean e-mail on Tuesday -- http://www.dccc.org/... -- but the DCCC is launching an aggressive effort to grow our list through the end of the year by working with the Presidentials and other progressive groups -- the Hillary e-mail was just the first.  Nothing's changed -- the DCCC is not endorsing Presidentials.

The Politico wrote all this up yesterday:
http://www.politico.com/...

Committee brass hope to incorporate other leading voices in the party, including the presidential candidates, to build its database of names and confact information and to access the candidates massive network of online supporters.

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards all have large e-mail lists that other campaign committees covet for fundraising, volunteers and voter outreach.

Committee aides hope to recruit these online supporters for the rapid response network, send them online petitions, distribute campaign videos, conduct online policy and political briefs and get involved in grassroots strategy sessions, according to one aide.

Sorry to post twice but wanted to make sure everyone saw.  Here's the full article:
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee will cast its net wide and far through the end of the year to build a bigger bank of online supporters - an increasingly essential element in political fundraising.

The campaign arm would like to add the names and e-mail addresses of 250,000 potential supporters over the next three months, according to a Democratic aide.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean started things off Wednesday by sending an e-mail to DCCC supporters encouraging them to join the DCCC's rapid response network, a community of devoted activists who send letters to local newspapers, organize outreach efforts and contribute money for ad campaigns and other mobilization drives.

Committee brass hope to incorporate other leading voices in the party, including the presidential candidates, to build its database of names and confact information and to access the candidates massive network of online supporters.

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards all have large e-mail lists that other campaign committees covet for fundraising, volunteers and voter outreach.

Committee aides hope to recruit these online supporters for the rapid response network, send them online petitions, distribute campaign videos, conduct online policy and political briefs and get involved in grassroots strategy sessions, according to one aide.

In his e-mail, Dean encourages supporters to join the rapid response network and credits this outreach arm with helping the committee to launch television ads rebutting a large ad campaign by a White House-affiliated group to make the case that U.S. troops should remain in Iraq.

"No Republican attack should go unanswered from here on out," Dean wrote. "With your help, we can fight back and continue Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi's (D-Calif.) New Direction for America."

He also appeals for a few dollars to fund the party's efforts to win the White House and expand its majorities in the House and Senate.

"The 2008 elections are a little over a year away," Dean wrote. "We will need both a Democrat in the White House and a strong Democratic Congress to make lasting change. We must work together to succeed. Please make a contribution to help House Democrats continue building a sophisticated rapid response operation to strengthen and secure our Democratic Majority."

Dean's note is expected to be the first of many in the coming weeks.

I'm not sure I understand this, frankly, and I wonder if anyone is going to give me the short version.

I don't think this is the apocalypse, but neither does it strike me as quite kosher.  Maybe I'll get it figured out.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:45:07 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

The full links from that quote are here:

http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives /005865.html

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1 007/DCCC_launches_new_campaign_to_build_ its_email_list.html


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:52:18 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

The DCCC offered the ALL of the Presidential candidates the opportunity to get an e-mail out to its list.

As of right now, only Hillary accepted.

Anyone who's upset at the DCCC for sending out an e-mail for the Hillary campaign should be more upset at their preferred candidate(s) for not taking the DCCC up on their offer.


by andrewalker08 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:47:19 PM EST

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But, DCCC members do not expect to get a fundraising letter.  Read the email that was sent out.  Many who are members are angered by the perception that the DCCC made its members list available to the campaign and they are using it to fundraise.  That is a legitimate gripe.  I am sure everyone on here, who is a member of DCCC does not expect to get a fundraising email from a candidate that you are not supporting.  Period.


by iamready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:49:46 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

really?

Well ok not an email, but i've gotten calls from Obama's campaign asking me for cash - where'd he get my phone number, which is more personal than email no?

I never signed up on Obama's campaign in any fashion, and I've gotten multiple calls from their campaign.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:02:09 PM EST
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land line? (none / 0)

If you were called on a land line, it's because your phone number, address, and party affiliation are publicly available through your local Board Of Elections.


by HatchInBrooklyn on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:21:10 PM EST
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Re: land line? (none / 0)

cell phone - sry i should have made that clear


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:23:52 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

iamready --

it's not a legitimate gripe. read all the campaign "privacy" (haha) statements -- they have an out to share emails w/ Dem organizations, and that's the way it's been for some time.

I constantly get emails of Democratic origin altho' I never signed up -- and more often than not, there's a request for a donation.


by dblhelix on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:20:06 PM EST
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point well taken.  but I don't like getting this kind of email, either.  I support the DCCC since 2004.  I want information from the DCCC, not any presidential fundraising information.  period.


by iamready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 05:06:02 PM EST
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This sums is up for me, what one poster indicated.

Tammany Hall (0+ / 0-)
Recommended by:

The "Clinton Machine" seems to have too much control over the DCCC. I still keep getting E-Mails from them (always asking for money of course) by James Caville (former Clintonista who's not even in government anymore), and Rahm Emanuel (another former Clintonista who used to be head of the DCCC, but who's term ended 9 months ago and no longer is). The Clintons had Terry McCauliffe "lift" the DNC's donor list and turn it over to Hillary just before he left the DNC when his term was up. Now they're trying to "raid" the DCCC donor lists. I don't like this business of the Clintons using the Democratic Party as their own personal campaign fund raising organization.


http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/10 /26/124123/51/283#c283


by iamready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:52:17 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

This is a bogus post.  Clinton did nothing wrong here, so your implication is way off.  The DCCC is obviously concerned about gaining a fundraising advantage over the RCCC.  They felt that with the excitement surrounding our top-3 candidates they could mine that and gain an invaluable fundraising list in exchange for some of their contacts.  The offer was extended to all 3 top-tier candidates.  Clinton accepted, the other 2 may follow suit.   The slam iamready aims at the Clinton campaign is unfounded and bogus.   IF anyone should be slammed, it would be the DCCC for coming up with this idea for new fundraising possibilities, but can we blame them for trying to get the upperhand on the RCCC?  The GOP does not have that type of excitement that we have built, so the DCCC felt it would give the "downticket" races an advantage to gain access and perhaps successfully fundraise amongst the many who have signed up on Obama's multiple myspace sites, his website, Edwards' supporters, people who have signed up on Clinton's site, etc.    Where is the big deal?  Where is the impropriety?   ESPECIALLY from Clinton?  


by georgep on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:46:56 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Ask your candidate why he did no accept the offer. Stop whining, end of the story.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:55:13 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

No, Andre, they didn't. As far as the DCCC has explained it, they offered it to the top-3 bajillionaires. Unless you've got something showing they made the same offer to the smarter candidates with smaller email lists, don't say ALL just because your girl got the deal.
by shelbinator on Sun Oct 28, 2007 at 03:43:32 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

So what?  Sounds like other candidates have been afforded this opportunity as well.


by bookgrl on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:56:10 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

I guess if it's true that only the "Big Three" have received this list-swapping offer from the DCCC, it's a little bit sketchy in that respect.  But if it's legal, then shrug, it seems like a good-faith exercise to me and I can't be too upset.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:22:20 PM EST
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Other Hillary emails (2.00 / 2)

Slightly off-topic, but...

About a month ago, I sent the Clinton campaign an email asking why she alone among Democratic candidates (at that point) had refused to sign the anti-torture declaration that was being floated around.

Needless to say, I got no answer, other than a generic email thanking me for my comments and welcoming me to the campaign. Now I get all of the Clinton campaign's missives asking me to wish Hillary a happy birthday, make a contribution to her warchest, and so forth.

I only mention this in the event that the Clinton campaign ever touts the size of its online community. Said community may not be all it seems!


by bcamarda on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:57:10 PM EST

Re: Other Hillary emails (none / 0)

I think it's good that you ask questions of the campaigns, but I can't believe you really expect to get a personal response to your email.  I sent one to Clinton and Obama last week about FISA, and got the same kind of responses you did (from both campaigns), a short thank you note.  I imagine they get thousands of emails, and it's ridiculous to expect that the campaign can respond personally to every email.  When I call my senator's office to make comments, I don't really expect to talk to the Saxby Chambliss (just writing that makes me want to hurl) personally.  


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 09:44:37 AM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

more conspiracy theory stuff!


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:05:48 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Well, the CBC has essentially endorsed Clinton.

Or is it the CCC these days: "The Congressional Clinton Caucus."


by NewNoir on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:06:49 PM EST

My email to the DCCC (2.00 / 2)

"Dear DCCC,

I just unsubscribed from your emails and I'm writing in to complain about an email I just received about Hillary Clinton and her birthday. I think this email was completely unfair and I'm really upset about it. John Edwards and Barack Obama, nor any of the other candiates, didn't get emails like this on their birthdays. By sending out an email for Hillary, you make it sound like the DCCC is supporting her. And not just that, but the email leads everyone to her campaign site, where it asks for campaign contributions! This is unethical and unfair. I would like the DCCC to stick to US House races. What are you doing sending out an email for one particular Presidential candidate?

In addition, the email says paid for by the DCCC. Thousands of people have made contributions to the DCCC, so we can win US House races, not to help certain Presidential candidates. This is rediculous and I'm offended by it."

And I'm sorry, but most of the people on the DCCC mailing list probably don't read blogs and even less Politico. This Birthday email doesn't give any kind of explanation about what the purpose of the email was for. It makes it sounds like the DCCC is endorsing her and using their funds to help her.


by Progressive America on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:31:31 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (2.00 / 2)

I was angry enough to unsubscribe.  Screw the DCCC and Emanuel.

I have stopped giving money to the DCCC anyway.  I prefer to do my own research on candidates, support netroots candidates, and not to give them my money to use in supporting the hand-picked no-change toe-the-line candidates, anyway.


by Doug in Virginia on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:44:54 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Rahm isnt running the DCCC


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:52:20 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

House rules in the netroots are that there are like 5 or 6 all-purpose villains in the party, and one of them must be blamed at all times.  Sometimes the list is slow to update.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 11:11:18 PM EST
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yep yep -- One week its Pelosi/Reid not doing enough, the next its rahm emanuel, then its Schumer because of xyz --

But no matter what week we are in, its always Hillary's fault


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 12:34:19 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

There is a lot wrong with this diary:

1. The diarist MUST disclose that she is actively working and blogging as an Obama campaign worker.  Otherwise nobody will understand why she won't look at the DCCC email and understand that the DCCC made this offer to all 3 top-tier candidates, with one so far accepting, the others could well follow suit.  

2. The diarist has stated in previous posts that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are sworn enemies of Howard Dean, that they can't stand him, have and are actively looking to derail him.  Now we are to believe that the opposite is true, that indeed Dean is IN BED with the "Clinton machine," that he instructed his organization to "endorse" Hillary Clinton by sending "birthday emails" out for her.   You can't have it both ways, try as you might.  Either they are bitter enemies or they are best of friends and in bed together.  

3. Conspiracy theories like this one only work when there is a "there" there.  The DCCC email clearly shows that there is not.  That should have been the end of the story.  UNLESS you are a campaign worker for the Obama campaign who blogs from Obama's Iowa HQ in an attempt to churn a story that does not exist.


by georgep on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 03:56:00 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

georgep -- DNC = Howard Dean
           DCCC = Chris Van Hollen (MD-08)
by dblhelix on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:00:25 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

oops, sorry.  I saw the Dean email from steve_m and made the connection from that.  


by georgep on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:29:17 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

The diarist MUST disclose that she is actively working and blogging as an Obama campaign worker.

Is she really an Obama campaign worker? I know she's an zealot Obama fan, but not sure if she's just working for Obama. She could.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:06:45 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

She has recently moved to Iowa and is heavily involved in the Obama campaign, as per her admission.  Putting 2 and 2 together, this is not really hard to figure out.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it should be disclosed as such.  


by georgep on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:31:07 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

The Obama Campaign does not have hired bloggers in each state on staff.  Sorry to bust your "internet bubble".


by iamready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 05:09:59 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (1.00 / 1)

Abso-fucking-lutely.

I'm working hard to find out her real name, so that I can expose her right here on MyDD and DailyKos. She's so dishonest it isn't funny. She makes me dislike Obama more and more each day. Obama HAS many operatives on MyDD and DailyKos. Obama makes me SICK to my stomach.

Betcha wish you hadn't called me bebe now, right Ice?  I'm gunning for you iamready aka icebergslim aka Edna aka shirley temple and the many others in your repertoire.


by lonnette33 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:01:29 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Get a grip. "Operatives"?? What are you talking about? You mean that some Obama supporters actually have the nerve to post here? Oh my.


by skeptica on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 02:17:59 AM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

I did look at the DCCC email.  I received it.  And read it 4 times.

I don't care if they send out emails, but let us not solicit to membership for a presidential candidate, and I mean all of the candidates.

The DCCC purpose is to raise money for House Democrats and get them elected.  Not to share its membership email with presidential candidates.

People are savvy enough that if they want to donate to anyone, they will.  DCCC membership does not need solicitation emails for this.


by iamready on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 05:08:53 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

It seems to me that if your purpose is to raise money for House Democrats, it would be to your advantage to have as big an email list of Democrats as you can get.

It seems to me that one way to grow an email list would be to find someone else with a really big email list - like a Presidential candidate - and offer to make a swap.  It would be a win-win.

It seems to me that if they made this offer to all three Democratic frontrunners, which apparently they did, there's no real competitive advantage to be had.  Maybe Mike Gravel has standing to complain, that's about it.

Having looked into this, I'm really surprised to hear people still banging the drum as if some colossal injustice took place.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 05:16:09 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Well if they want to swap lists, thats fine. But that doesn't answer the question of why the DCCC is sending out a fundraising letter to its list for Clinton? Why not send out a fundraising letter for the dccc to the list it acquires from Clinton and let Clinton send her own fundraising letter to the list it acquires from d trip.

The objection is that I have donated money to d trip and didn't know that some of my money (admittedly a small fraction but the point still holds) would go to support a fundraising letter for Clinton.

This is consistent with how the dccc handles congresional races, often jumping in to primaries early on the side of one candidate they consider to be more electable (ie, more likly to raise money). This has been a consistent problem there for the past few cycles.


by desmoulins on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 05:56:01 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

This actually is Clinton sending her letter to the DCCC list, it seems to me.  Is there truly any "cost" to sending a mass email?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:04:18 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Well, counsellor, we are still at the discovery phase and you are summing up for the defendant.  Or is this a motion to dismiss?


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 05:59:00 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

It kinda feels like the prosecution has been making their case pretty loudly, discovery phase or no!

I'm open to the notion that there is some violation of election law in swapping lists, although someone would have to cite me chapter and verse.  I'm less concerned about the facts, which seem pretty straightforward here.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:05:49 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

They have a tendency to burn effigies of the accused in the street by torchlight, but that doesn't mean there isn't a case.  I guess with the widely held perceptions of Hillary's omniscient electoral puppet-mastery, which her supporters do little to assuage, such a reaction is understandable if not helpful.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:43:13 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

This is a problem at all levels of the Democratic Party -- party offices and resources being used for Clinton. In my county, the executive board hired as an executive director a Clinton staffer and offered no explanation to volunteers, even as they are asking the same volunteers to sign up for committees and precinct work for fall of 08.

The fall-out is not merely that it pisses people off; its going to deter volunteers and small donors. Even if we were to believe the most optimistic of the Clinton campaign's own assessments, they have half the support of primary voters.

That means at least half of the activists and small donors that the party needs nationally, this year and every year -- probably much more than half, but we won't go into that -- prefer another candidate and another platform as their vision of where the Democratic party should be going. If our vision, our input, our efforts aren't worthy of respect of dccc staff, or party staff at any level, then why should be help out when the same staff calls and asks for help in the future?

And of course, put differently, this makes it nearly inevitable that there's going to be a lot of staff turnover if someone else wins the nom.


by desmoulins on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:21:34 PM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

I knew Van Hollen was a good guy! He really came through for Clinton. No, I'm serious


by bsavage on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 04:30:06 PM EST

I'm a little slow, so help me out (none / 0)

I'm a little slow. Let me see if I've got this straight, OK?

The frontrunner Democratic Party candidate, with a huge mailing list and the most sophisticated voter database operation the Democrats have ever seen is cooperating with the DCCC to trade mailing lists and help the party with down ticket races? And, Democrats are complaining about this?

Where's the beef here? Would you rather see the DCCC trade lists with Fred Thompson? Ralph Nader?


by hwc on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:24:13 PM EST

Re: I'm a little slow, so help me out (none / 0)

The beef is that Clinton was smart enough to see the value in this and did it first, of course.  If Edwards or Obama had done it first, the folks here would be touting their their great political acumen.  It's concern trolling, nothing more.  This is a good way for the DCCC to broaden their financial support and ensure we pick up more seats, but if Clinton is involved, it must be shady.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 09:48:43 AM EST
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so much outrage over a list swap? (none / 0)

I take it this is everyone's first year on a political email list. The DCCC regularly swaps lists with lots of people, I've gotten emails from Kerry, MoveOn, Durbin, all sorts of people. According to the DCCC they did a swap with Dean and now Clinton (after offering to swap with all of the presidentials). The links don't even go to a donate page, just a Clinton sign-up page.

So what exactly is the problem here, ethically or otherwise? If you don't like Clinton don't sign the birthday card. The complaints here sound like a bunch of paranoid losers.

(and BTW, people appear to have forgotten that Rahm Emanuel, former chairman of the DCCC and rep from Chicago's 5th district, is very close to Obama.)


by souvarine on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:26:51 PM EST

Re: so much outrage over a list swap? (none / 0)

He's close to Obama?? I'd like to hear more about that. His whole history is with the Clintons, isn't it?


by skeptica on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 02:21:05 AM EST
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Re: so much outrage over a list swap? (none / 0)

Bill Clinton gave Emanuel his start, and he has a lot of Clinton ties, but he is from and represents Chicago. The Chicago machine has almost universally endorsed Obama.

He has not endorsed either candidate, but his family endorsed Obama and he is personally close to Obama, he was saying last year "I'm hiding under the desk".


by souvarine on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 09:35:30 AM EST
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List Swapping (none / 0)

Good for Obama for not swapping out my name.  When I signed up I did so to support a Presidential Candidate, not offer up my name to be sold or traded.  What right does the Clinton campaign have to exchange personal information of its donors without their permission?  And what right does the DCCC have?


by Piuma on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:00:31 PM EST

Re: List Swapping (none / 0)

you might want to learn how a list swap works before you go off half-cocked. The DCCC sends a message to their list on behalf of Clinton, people who sign the birthday card join the Clinton list. Clinton sends a message to her list on behalf of the DCCC, people who sign the DCCC page join the DCCC list.

In other words the only way your information gets to Clinton is if you sign the card.

After reading the notes from Brandon and Crider I'm becoming convinced that this is just a slim (iamready) attempt to slam the party out of Clinton hatred. I always suspected slim didn't really give a damn about the Democratic party, but now I'm convinced.


by souvarine on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:08:39 PM EST
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Re: List Swapping (none / 0)

Are the people who sign expressly informed that their addresses are being given to Clinton and visa-versa?


by Piuma on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:19:30 PM EST
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The people who sign are the ones who give their addresses to Clinton. The DCCC isn't just giving the Clinton campaign a list of names and email addresses.

DCCC sent the email to a segment of their list; whoever signs up on Clinton's site gives their own name to Clinton.

At some point, Clinton will send an email that the DCCC writes to her list. The link will go to a DCCC page; whoever signs up there will provide their own name to the DCCC.

It happens all the time; not just email lists, but campaigns, party organizations and non-profits swap direct mail lists and phone lists, too.


by domma on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 10:31:42 PM EST
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Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

It is very important that the DCCC and the Democratic Senate committee work closely with the Clinton campaign and their friendly 527 groups. Clinton will be orchestrating a massive get-out-the-vote effort targeted at women in the general election. Every Democratic candidate will benefit enormously from that effort. Consolidating those lists at Catalist for proper targeting is crucial.


by hwc on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 01:25:44 AM EST

Re: DCCC Endorsing Clinton? (none / 0)

Your reference to the "general election" seems to assume she's won. I just hope you're wrong. What did the Clintons ever do for progressives--or even for the Democratic party? Since they won in 1992, what happened to the progressive agenda and the Democratic party? Until 2006, was it anything but downhill? Is there any negative aspect of the Bush administration that did not have its predecessor legitimizing, endorsing, enabling the ideas and trends in the Clinton years? As in the Clinton push for regime change in Iraq, NAFTA, secrecy, the expansion of private contractors and privatization, deregulation, and on and on.


by skeptica on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 02:26:55 AM EST
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