New Hampshire Poll Brings Bad News for GOP

Stuart Rothenberg (via Political Wire) brings us initial results from the latest Saint Anselm College/SRBI poll of likely New Hampshire primary voters. Overall the numbers bode poorly for the Republicans, a point I'll touch on in a moment. But first, the numbers for the top three candidates in the Democratic race (along with the Pollster.com average from the state).

CandidateSRBIPollster.com
Clinton4339.3
Obama2219.5
Edwards1411.7

The St. Anselm numbers run fairly closely with the broad consensus of polling out of the Granite state, with Clinton holding a substantial lead over Obama and Edwards lagging even further back. But perhaps more interesting than the numbers mentioned above (and to be clear I'm not intentionally omitting the results for other candidates, they're just not posted yet as best I can tell) are other data points suggesting that New Hampshire voters continue to be in a Democratic mood.

In an ominous sign for Republicans in the general election, almost 46% of respondents who say they are paying "a lot" of attention to the campaigns say they plan to participate in the Democratic primary, while only 36% say they will vote in the GOP contest. Among those paying "some" attention, 38% plan to vote in the Democratic contest, while only 34% plan to vote in the GOP primary.

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New Hampshire's undeclared voters, who are allowed to select the party primary in which they wish to participate, currently are more than twice as inclined to vote in the Democratic primary. Almost 41% of undeclared votes say that they now plan to participate in the Democratic primary, while just under 19% say that they are planning to vote in the GOP contest.

It's still a relatively long way until New Hampshire voters go to vote in the presidential primaries (assuming that primary day isn't in December...), and it's an even longer time until November 2008. That said, if independent voters in New Hampshire are still quasi-affiliating with the Democratic Party by better than a 2-to-1 margin come next fall, there'e just no way that the state is going to be in play for the GOP. And if independent voters around the country act that way come election day 2008 -- as they did on election day 2006, when they voted Democratic by a 57 percent to 39 percent margin -- it's going to be awfully difficult for the Republicans to win nationally.



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Re: New Hampshire Poll Brings Bad News for GOP (none / 0)

New Hampshire is Clinton's firewall and I think it would turn blue , however we are yet to see negative ads in NH , so the number could still change . Lets see what happens when the attack ads start .

By the way one of the guys putting together the challenge from the left against Clinton endorsed Edwards earlier on , it was touted in a press release by the Edwards campaign . There is no apparent coordination but it is getting to close to his campaign and he probably would not need this type of effort from overzealous supporters.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tappe d_archive?month=10&year=2007&bas e_name=new_antihillary_pac_president#022 615


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by lori on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 01:34:14 AM EST

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NH is not likely to respond well to negative campaigning.  They usually never do, why would this year be any different?  Besides, Clinton will have ads up as well.  I am sure they will be almost entirely positive, forward-looking ads about health care.  She might also have hard-hitting ads aimed at the GOP.  The contrast between HER ads and negative ads from others would be so stark, that you would most likely see an even stronger rallying around her in NH.  


by georgep on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 06:46:54 AM EST
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meant to say:  I am sure they will be almost entirely positive, forward-looking ads about health care, education, children's future, etc.


by georgep on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 06:51:50 AM EST
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I wonder if the negative ads will make much difference this time. Voters are more sophisticated and they aren't listening to anything but their own wallets. Plus there isn't much that people don't know about Hillary so they have already drawn their own conclusions.


by changingroom on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 01:37:19 AM EST

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I think it can still work a tad bit , i think there are still quite a few soft supporters who can pause on her because of negative campaigning especially in iowa or nh with independents.


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by lori on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 01:40:27 AM EST
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I think you're right.  They have now started on Hillary because of the Iran resolution she voted for.  However, 3 of my friends called me today to tell me they decided to vote for Hillary.  One is a Republican and the other 2 are Democrats who had a personal problem with Hillary.  Anxiety is setting in now that Bush is threatening Iran, my friends just want someone who can win.  The rest is window dressing.


by changingroom on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:23:40 AM EST
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Going negative (none / 0)

I would say that negative advertising is very unlikely to work for several reasons:

1. Clinton supporters have already seen it all. I mean, what are they going to hit her with? That she murdered Vince Foster? That she has a lesbian relationship with Janet Reno? That she's a communist sympathizer?

2. Negative advertising, to be effective, has to hit at a real weakness. For example, the Howard Dean/Osama bin Ladin ads worked because Dean was a scary guy in the sense that he had zero national security experience and had moments of being slightly unglued. The Kerry flip/flopper ads worked because he was a flip/flopper. Where's Clinton's vulnerability? She's the only one of the top three who has already crossed the commander-in-chief threshold. Even voters who can't stand her acknowledge that she has the experience, toughness, and smarts to be President.

What might work in Iowa (because it's so backwards) is to hit her explicitly on the woman issue. After all, Iowa voters have show that they aren't ready to elect women. In a way, Clinton threw down the gauntlet on that one this week, effectively asking Iowans if they want to be viewed like Mississippi.

To make it work, Edwards and Obama will have to stop pussy-footing around with vague "electability" charges and just go for jugular with ads that say women are suited for the Oval Office. The problem is that, while that might work in Iowa, it will KILL them in New Hampshire and beyond.

Mark Penn sized up the race exquisitely on Charlie Rose last week. "How often do you see a majority -- women are 54% of the voters -- that has never elected one of their own. It's a powerful thing..."


by hwc on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 02:33:15 AM EST
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typo: that should have been

"ads that say women aren't suitable for the Oval Office"


by hwc on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 02:34:35 AM EST
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Here's is how they could go negative against Hillary. Bush launches a war in Iran and the Republicans can say DO YOU REALLY WANT A WOMAN AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF WITH WW3 IN THE BALANCE? Outside of that -- there is nothing they can say because people want the President to focus on the middle class.  I was at an event for Hillary on Sunday.  The audience -- male and female alike went wild when she started talking about the middle class being invisible.  She is saying what people want to hear. All the Republicans have going for them is this mistaken belief that only they can keep us secure in time of war--its not true but its the only issue that polls well for them.  So Bush's war threats are timed to help Republicans sell the only issue they have.


by changingroom on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 02:34:15 AM EST
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bye bye mccain.


by Todd Beeton on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 03:29:52 AM EST

Crossover votes go to who? (none / 0)

The 2000 NH primary exit polls showed only 3-4% of Democrats and Republicans crossed over into the other party's primary to cast votes. Is it possible that we're going to see 5 to 10 times that number of crossovers in '08 and almost all from GOP to Dem?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/primari es/NH/poll.rep.html

If so I don't think ANY polling outfit has a proper voter screen.

Remember that summer Iowa straw poll where Obama finished 3rd in the REPUBLICAN preferences (w/6.7%)? Republicans can vote in the Democratic primary in New Hampshire. How will that play out?

http://campaignsandelections.com/IA/arti cles/?ID=479

Do any of the NH polling outfits breakout their numbers to show how the Dem candidates poll among Independent and Republican voters? I think that is crucial to figuring out who is where in the race in NH - a state with open primary voting.


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by joejoejoe on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 05:29:34 AM EST

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We have seen several polls out of NH that showed Clinton picking up a lot of Obama's previous Independent support.  Independents especially have been moving away from Obama and towards Clinton, which, if it stays that way, would dash any hopes Obama has for New Hampshire.  

Todd Beeton had a frontpage diary about that Independent-flight away from Obama not too long ago, and if I remember correctly, it was specifically after a NH poll showed it.


by georgep on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 06:50:49 AM EST
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Most pollsters do (none / 0)

There is an interaction between the GOP and DEM primaries in NH that does not exist elsewhere.

I know many people who believe McCain's strength in NH in 2000 drew people out of the Dem primary who would have voted for Bradley.

What makes this even more complicated it that this is a rather unusual year on the GOP side.  Guiliani's lead is the smallest of any front runner on the GOP side since 1976.  

In fact, I think you can argue this is the most wide open race for the GOP nomination since 1948 or 1952.


by fladem on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 09:35:15 AM EST
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Open Primary Voting (none / 0)

New Hampshire does not have an open primary in which Republicans may choose to vote in the Democratic Presidential Primary.  Only Democrats and "Undeclared" voters, who declare themselves Democrats on the day of the Primary or before the Primary date, may vote in the Democratic Primary.  Among those "Undeclared" voters, also called "Independents," Senate Clinton is doing very well in the polling so far.


by gradysdad on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 11:50:22 AM EST
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Thanks (none / 0)

I thought everybody could vote in any way on election day but you are correct. From the NH Secretary of State:

Presidential Primary
1) Meet with the Supervisors of the Checklist no later than the day prior to the filing period for the Presidential Primary (October 12, 2007).  This is the last day you can change your party affiliation before the Presidential Primary.

2)    If you are a registered member of a party, you may change your registration at any primary, however, you will not be allowed to vote in that primary.   Undeclared voters may declare a party and vote at any primary.  The law allows an undeclared voter to declare a party at the polls, vote the ballot of that party, and then change their party affiliation back to undeclared simply by completing the form available from the Supervisors of the Checklist at the polling place.

I'm trying to hunt down the percentage of NH voters registered as GOP/Undeclared/DEM but not having any luck.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 07:28:55 PM EST
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The latest Marist/NH poll has Hillary Clinton leading Obama 38-29 among NH Independents (and rolling 43-14 among Dems) with no crosstab for GOP crossovers (which were 4% of the NH Dem primary total in '00).

http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/NH/NHPZ 0710.htm

The LA Times/Bloomberg poll that Todd Beeton posted about earlier this week is a national poll. It's got some interesting breakdowns of matchups (Obama vs. GOP, Clinton vs. GOP) that could be used as supporting evidence that Obama pulls more GOP votes as a share of his general election total than Clinton. Clinton is much stronger among self-described liberal Democratic voters. How this all plays out in New Hampshire is anybody's guess.

http://todd_beeton.mydd.com/story/2007/1 0/23/184559/77


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 07:26:11 AM EST

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The Tood Beeton diary specifically discussing the Independent flight away from Obama dates back at least 4 weeks ago.  

Look, this is a very large lead.  Anytime a candidate is in the lead by 20s and more, and the lead is confirmed by other polls, you have a massive lead.  We can discuss this or that, where is the youth vote going to go (indications are, strongly towards Hillary Clinton) what happens with GOPers who want to cross over, is there an undiscovered "cell phone only" contingent that can't be caught by polls, how about women who never voted in their lifes going strongly for Clinton, are they captured, etc.   All of that is nibbling at the fringes when you have leads this large.  


by georgep on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 08:22:08 AM EST
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What Jonathan Singer said was "more interesting" than Clinton's lead was the generic polling data showing an almost equal number of Republicans in NH considering Democratic candidates and a huge majority of independents considering Democrats. I'm trying to place the poll numbers of Obama and Clinton in that context for better or worse.

The last poll (CNN) before the '00 NH GOP primary had McCain up 42-32 and he won 48-30. That's an 8% swing. Where did it come from? If this is all "nibbling at the fringes" to you then don't respond. If you do respond, source your work so we can discuss the figures.

I'm trying to tease out some data, not pimp a candidate.


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by joejoejoe on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 09:01:35 AM EST
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http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?I D=1364


Among independent voters who said they plan to participate in the Democratic primary election in New Hampshire, Clinton also leads, winning 33% support, compared to 25% for Obama and 13% for Edwards. Richardson wins 8% support among independents.

Franklin Pierce poll

http://www.fpc.edu/pages/institutes/poll /poll_07_0917d.pdf

Independents:

Clinton ~ 46%

Obama ~ 30%

Edwards ~ 16%


by georgep on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 10:17:34 AM EST
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Some help please.  A couple weeks ago I read of a poll that showed Hillary and Guiliani in a virtual dead heat. I dismissed it at the time, but it's been bugging me. Anyone have a link to that or a take on it?


by ocoocher on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 07:47:11 AM EST

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Some help please.  A couple weeks ago I read of a poll that showed Hillary and Guiliani in a virtual dead heat. I dismissed it at the time, but it's been bugging me. Anyone have a link to that or a take on it?


by ocoocher on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 07:48:21 AM EST

Re: New Hampshire Poll Brings Bad News for GOP (none / 0)

Where? Nationally? or in NH? Nationally some polls do indicate dead heat, and also in PA and NJ. I have not seen any NH polls between Hillary and any of the GOP candidates.

NH is going Dem for a very long time. I believe Judd Gregg will loose in 2010 especially if Benson runs. One mistake in Rothenberg's article: Huckabee is Arkansas governor not Alabama governor.


by Boilermaker on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 08:50:41 AM EST
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PA/NJ = dead heat with Obama and Edwards, not with Hillary, she polls better than he does in those states.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 10:04:47 AM EST
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