Poor Edwards....

NC is a republican lean state at the presidential level. I think it would be wise not to spend that much money in this state but this is showing Giuliani's weakness in the south, maybe perhaps we can win some other southern state like FL or MO or maybe WV. But NC probably will not flip.

I believe Rasmussen's polls are very important in media narrative. They have partnered up with local news TV to do these head-to-head matchups, and the local stations do report those numbers in their news coverage.

This is great news for Clinton.

This is a GE poll that doesn't even mention Edwards (or Obama), so I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you say "you [Edwards] cannot even convinced your 'fellow north carolina Democrats' to support you against a 'Liberal Northeast Woman' & a 'Liberal Black Midwesterner'????."

NC is probably a long shot but likely would be the next southern state to fall after Florida, Arkansas and Virginia. Slightly concerned though that Hillary is behind in Ohio:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/ohio_2008_presidential_e lection

Rassamussen, Michigan:

Clinton leads Rudy Giuliani in Michigan by nine points (47% to 38%) and holds a thirteen point margin over Thompson (50% to 37%). Those margins are unchanged since August. Two other Republicans, John McCain and Mitt Romney, have gained a bit of ground but still trail Clinton by seven.

Clinton is viewed favorably by 54%, a figure none of the Republicans can match in Michigan. Giuliani and McCain each get positive reviews from 49% of the state's voters, Romney from 46%, and Thompson from 42%. Sixty-five percent (65%) of Michigan voters know that Romney's father was once Governor of their state. Only 16%, however, say that's more likely to make them vote for the younger Romney

You guys do a grrrrrrrrrrrreat job at trying to mislead everybody.

Too bad that either none of you have the slightese clue what you are talking about, or you are all full of it.

But it is good to see that the Hillary Hack Pack is working overtime.

Let's see what happened when all 3 leading Democrats were included in a North Carolina poll.

North Carolina - 15 electoral votes

Public Policy Polling- NC: June 21, 2007

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pppma in.asp?@spdT=B6B42829136845A69B19

Vs. Mitt Romney

Clinton - 47%
Romney - 41%

Obama - 47%
Romney - 43%

Edwards - 51%
Romney - 37%

Clinton leads by 6%, Obama leads by 4%, Edwards leads by 14%

Vs. Fred Thompson

Clinton - 43%
Thompson - 46%

Obama - 44%
Thompson - 45%

Edwards - 47%
Thompson - 43%

Clinton trails by 3%, Obama trails by 1%, Edwards leads by 4%

Vs. Rudy Giuliani

Clinton - 43%
Giuliani - 47%

Obama - 42%
Giuliani - 46%

Edwards - 46%
Giuliani - 45%

Clinton trails by 4%, Obama trails by 4%, Edwards leads by 1%

Vs. John McCain

Clinton - 45%
McCain - 44%

Obama - 44%
McCain - 45%

Edwards - 48%
McCain - 40%

Clinton leads by 1%, Obama trails by 1%, Edwards leads by 8%

Average

Clinton averages a tie against the Republicans
Obama trails the Republicans by an average of .50%
Edwards leads the Republicans by an average of 6.75%

If you would like to see more of your riddiculous spin debunked, just look under my nmae in the comment section either on here or on Daily Kos.

Averages Of Recent National General Election Polling

Requirement to be included in average: Only polls that included Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards will be part of the average, to ensure a level playing field.

Every poll that included all three that was released between August 1st 2007 and today, October 10th 2007 has been included.

Quinnipiac University: August 13, 2007

Rasmussen: August - October 10th 2007

Note: Over the course of the last few months Rasmussen has updated some match-ups more frequently than others. The first number listed is the result of the Quinnipiac match-up. The numbers after that are the Rasmussen results, in order, from August 1st to today, October 10th.

For a more in-depth review, go to my General Election Polling Review...

http://esrc08.blogspot.com/

When looking at the totality of 2008 general election polling, it is easy to see that the evidence that John Edwards is by far the most electable Democrat is overwhelming.

Though Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have their occasional day in the sun, Edwards dominates most national and state wide general election polling. Rasmussen's ideology rankings have consistently shown that he is viewed as far more moderate than Clinton and Obama.

Edwards usually has the best favorable / unfavorable ratings as well. And even when he does not, he still outperforms Senator Clinton and Senator Obama against the Republicans.

Rasmussen's Favorable / Unfavorable Ratings

From 8/01/07 - 10/10/07

Hillary Clinton

49/48 - 50/48 - 45/54 - 47/50 - 49/49 - 49/49 - 49/50 - 52/48- 49/49

Barack Obama

48/45 - 48/42 - 47/45 - 50/43 - 46/47 - 49/45 - 47/45 - 53/41- 47/45

John Edwards

54/39 - 52/42 - 49/46 - 48/44 - 52/41 - 52/41 - 51/41 - 48/43- 49/44

There are a few factors that make Edwards' performance so impressive. One is the consistency. Though sometimes a pollster like Zogby will give him mediocre numbers, Edward has dominated Rasmussen general election polling (the most frequently updated general election polling) since the race started.

Another factor is "natural closing". Because Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are so familiar with voters they get a lot of support from Democrats in big cities that are in states that are going to go for the Democrats no matter who the nominee is (CA, IL, NY). Because of this, national general election polling actually understates Edwards' electability. Because Edwards outperforms them consistently by such a considerable amount nationally, that means that Edwards does so well in red states that he not only gets enough support to catch up with Obama and Clinton's numbers that are bolstered by their big city advantage, he surpasses them nationally as well. That is A LOT of support from red and purple states..

Edwards also does the best among Independents. When "natural closing" takes place (voters who are likely to vote Democratic end up supporting the Democrat and vice versa) Edwards will have the Democratic support locked up, he will earn far more Republican support than Clinton or Obama, and he will get the majority of Independents, even against a "moderate" like Rudy Giuliani.

Here, Douglas Schoen, a former advisor to President Clinton, talks about why Edwards is by far the most electable.

Behind the Horse Race Numbers: Edwards Strongest Democrat in General Election Match-ups .

"Finally, Edwards at this point demonstrates the greatest appeal to Independents beating Guiliani by 13%. Obama wins Independents by 5% and Clinton wins them by 3% against Guiliani."
This gives Edwards the ability to drain a tremendous amount of resources from the Republicans. They will finally be having to run a defense all over the country

While Obama and Clinton would run a 24 state strategy, Edwards can run a 42 state strategy, and if his opponent is Mitt Romney, it seems that only Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho would be out of reach.

Let's start with an average of recent national general election polling ...

National General Election Polling Average

Vs. Mitt Romney

Edwards vs. Romney

up 11%
up 17%

Average: + 14.00%

Obama vs. Romney

up 9%
up 3%

Average: + 6.00%

Clinton vs. Romney

up 9%
up 9%

Average: + 9.00%

Recap: Edwards leads by 14%, Obama leads by 6%. Clinton leads by 9%

Vs. Fred Thompson

Edwards vs. Thompson

up 17%
up 6%
up 14%
up 10%

Average: + 11.75%

Obama vs. Thompson

up 11%
up 7%
up 4%
up 4%
up 6%
up 11%

Average: + 7.16%

Clinton vs. Thompson

up 11%
down 1%
up 3%
up 4%
up 5%
up 8%

Average: + 5.00%

Recap: Edwards leads by 11.75%, Obama leads by 7.16%. Clinton leads by 5%

Vs. Rudy Giuliani

Edwards vs. Giuliani

up 1%
up 8%
up 9%

Average: + 6.00%

Obama vs. Giuliani

Tie
up 2%
down 1%
up 5%
up 5%

Average: + 2.20%

Clinton vs. Giuliani

up 3%
down 7%
down 3%
down 1%
up 5%

Average: - .60%

(Recap: Edwards leads by 6%, Obama leads by 2.20%, Clinton trails by .60%

Vs. John McCain

Edwards vs. McCain

up 8%
up 4%
up 5%
up 7%

Average: + 6.00

Obama vs. McCain

up 4%
up 6%
up 5%

Average: + 5.00

Clinton vs. McCain

up 6%
up 2%
up 2%
up 1%

Average: + 2.75

Recap: Edwards leads by 6%, Obama leads by 5%, Clinton leads by 2.75%

Overall Averages

Edwards beats the Republicans by an average of 9.43%
Obama beats the Republicans by an average of 5.09%
Clinton beats the Republicans by an average of 4.03%

You are proud of a poll that has her in a virtual tie with an innocuous, bigoted, no vision wingnut. That doesn't even include any other candidate. This is my favorite part.

Overall, Clinton is viewed favorably by just 46% of the state's voters. Giuliani gets positive reviews from 51%, Thompson from 50%, and McCain's favorable are at 49%. Romney is viewed favorably by 42%.

So they like her less than everyone except the Mormon candidate. In a poll by;

This poll was conducted in partnership with Fox Television Stations, Inc.

Spin much?