ME-Sen: Tom Allen Down, But Certainly Not Out

Markos today released polling out of the Maine Senate race he commissioned from non-partisan pollster Research 2000, and the numbers don't look terribly good at this point for Democratic Congressman Tom Allen.

If the 2008 election for U.S. Senate were held today, would you to reelect Susan Collins, would you consider voting for another candidate, or would you vote to replace Collins?

Reelect 55
Consider 20
Replace 21

If 2008 election for U.S. Senate were held today, for whom would you vote for if the choices were between Tom Allen, the Democrat, and Susan Collins, the Republican?

Collins (R) 56
Allen (D) 33

I don't think that anyone would argue that this is where they'd like to see Allen at this point in the race. Indeed, these numbers indicate a need for a significant change in the dynamics of this race before it's going to be among the top pick-up opportunities for the Democrats.

That said, stranger things have occurred in the past in politics. No one, and I mean no one, believed that George Allen was defeatable at this point in the 2006 cycle, nor did anyone at this point in the 2004 cycle foresee Jim Bunning winning reelection by only about a point against Dan Mongiardo -- and those two races occurred in significantly redder states than Maine.

And going back into the polling vault, one can find at least one relatively recent race in which a Democratic challenger polling in the low 30s even closer to election day was able to pull out a victory. Luckily for Allen, that Democratic challenger -- Chuck Schumer -- is now in a position to aid Allen's campaign.

Back in 1998 Schumer, then a Congressman, faced off against Senator Al D'Amato, a Republican with a history of being able to win in the very Democratic state of New York (not unlike Collins' ability to win in the very Democratic state of Maine). Polling conducted in November 1997 by Zogby (yeah, I know I just bashed Zogby earlier today, but at least this was a telephone rather than an internet poll) showed D'Amato leading Schumer in a hypothetical matchup 41 percent to 30 percent. By February 1998, Zogby pegged D'Amato's lead over Schumer at 47 percent to 24 percent, a poll conducted by Zogby in June 1998 put D'Amato up 51 percent to 28 percent, and in August 1998 D'Amato led Schumer 48 percent to 30 percent. For those looking for corroboration from other pollsters, Mason-Dixon/PMR survey from June 1998 showed D'Amato up 47 percent to 29 percent over Schumer, and an Emerson College/Suffolk University survey from March 1998 put D'Amato's lead at 39 percent to 29 percent.

In the end, despite trailing D'Amato for much of the race, Schumer won quite handily, 55 percent to 44 percent. While it's true that Schumer's victory isn't necessarily the best template for Allen to follow -- D'Amato's reelect and approval numbers were never nearly as high as those of Collins, for instance, and Maine is certainly not New York -- Schumer's ability to come back from a seemingly overwhelming and enduring deficit should give hope to Allen -- particularly given Schumer's ability to play a role in the race as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. If you, too, are interested in getting involved in Allen's campaign, check out the interview we conducted with him here on MyDD and head over to his campaign website.



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Re: ME-Sen: Tom Allen Down, But Certainly Not Out (none / 0)

I know that we didn't think Allen would be vulnerable at this point in the last cycle, however, I don't see Susan Collins having a "macaca" type moment on the campaign trail.

Allen needs to kick it up a notch or two and fast.  This is one of those races where some early spending on tv can pay dividends down the line.

I'm glad Markos did this poll.  I don't know about anyone else, but as someone with about $500 to give over the course of the cycle, polls like this help me give my dollars to candidates who both need it the most and have a good chance of winning.  I'm keeping my $$ in the Mark Udall column for now.


by chadconfetti on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 09:01:02 PM EST

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This is very discouraging.  I don't know why so many Republicans are leading in these races that should be ours these days.


by Toddwell on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 09:10:30 PM EST

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Susan Collins isn't beloved by Mainers like Olympia Snowe, but she is well liked.  It will take time to erode that support, contrasting her talking a good moderate game with her many damaging Bush-supporting votes when push came to shove.

Allen has a hard row to hoe...but if anyone can do it, he can.

But it's no way an easy seat for the Dems to pick up, probably somewhere around the 6th to 8th most vulnerable.


by InigoMontoya on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 11:29:08 PM EST
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So how was Whitehouse/Brown polling against Chaffee in RI this time two years ago? Seems to me that one is the most comparable race to Maine.


by admiralnaismith on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 09:15:52 PM EST

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MUCH closer unfortunately. Chafee was 5 points ahead of Whitehouse in June 2005 and 13 points in Sept. That was before Whitehouse even had the nomination, and Chafee was still fighting off his primary challenger.


by thesleepthief on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 11:02:46 PM EST
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And let's not forget that Rhode Island is one of the most Democratic states in the union.  Maine is more of a purplish-blue.


by chadconfetti on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 12:14:03 AM EST
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Aren't Tom Allen and Bill Clinton old college buddies? Would a visit from Bubba help?

(He owes us--the Party and the Country--to make up for what he did in CT.)


by BlueinColorado on Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 10:34:07 PM EST

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I've spent more than 20 years in Maine; these numbers do not surprise me.  Tom has a serious "progressive gap" in Maine.

Progressives comprise a significant percentage of the Democratic base.  Tom is viewed by many progressives as too moderate.  For example, Tom would not meet with a Peace Action sponsored town hall on the Iraq War for months and months.  Tom is viewed as not out front on the war, has not joined the Progressive Caucus, has not co-sponsored the Dept of Peace, and has not sponsored single payer legislation (Kucinich bill).

Progressives ran an independent challenger to Tom in the '06 cycle; the chalenger pulled 9% of the vote, yet Tom still won with more than 50%.  Our strong Green Party in Maine will consistently pull 8% to 10% in gubenatorial races. Tom NEEDS these progressvies (volenteers, netwrok, money), and he does not have them.


by dogenman on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:12:24 AM EST

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"Strong" Maine Independent Green Party...are you nuts?

Planning yet another useless protest, sit-in, or hunger strike, are we?

If not for the ME tax scratch off, you folks wouldn't have a proverbial pot to piss in.

Get a grip.


mainefem
by mainefem on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:22:56 PM EST
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I've spent more than 20 years in Maine; these numbers do not surprise me.  Tom has a serious "progressive gap" in Maine.

Progressives comprise a significant percentage of the Democratic base.  Tom is viewed by many progressives as too moderate.  For example, Tom would not meet with a Peace Action sponsored town hall on the Iraq War for months and months.  Tom is viewed as not out front on the war, has not joined the Progressive Caucus, has not co-sponsored the Dept of Peace, and has not sponsored single payer legislation (Kucinich bill).

A progressive ran an independent challenge to Tom in the '06 Cong. cycle; the challenger pulled 9%, yet Tom still won with more than 50%.  Our strong Green Party in Maine will consistently pull 8% to 10% in gubenatorial races.

To win statewide, against Collins, Tom NEEDS these progressives  (volunteers, network, money, energy).  They are not behind him - now.


by dogenman on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:19:49 AM EST

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I honestly never thought Maine would be very competitive.  Maine is not as liberal as Rhode Island, Susan Collins is way more popular than Lincoln Chafee was, she doesn't have to face a tough primary battle, and Olympia Snowe, the state's other Republican Senator, was just re-elected overwhelmingly.

It might end up being close, but I can't see Collins losing.  It's not impossible though.


by Namtrix on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 03:34:30 PM EST

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I'd like to know what you people are smoking?

Markos refused to post his so-called methodology & validity.

<cough>

This is yet another reason why Mainiacs don't trust people "from away."

You don't know wtf you're doing; and have no iota of a clue, re: how Maine politics works.

We have a substantial ballot referenda & municipal elections coming up.

Nobody's polling (federal races), as the locals aren't focused on the federal races as yet.

I just voted absentee today, BTW.

This is a relatively rural state...negative TV ads this early backfire.

Bigtime.

Retail politics is where it's at (similar to NH).

Tom's been down in D.C. of late--working, no less.

<gasp>

Markos fed ammunition to Collins' idiotic "web guru".

Gee, thanks for the "help," netroots.

Next time you hotshots want some "advise" from the 'roots...ask those of us who live here, alright?

I always vet the entirety of so-called "polls"--Markos is no different (sounds like a unobjective conflict of interest to Moi).

Rinse, lather, repeat.


mainefem
by mainefem on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:13:17 PM EST

Good analysis, Maniac. (none / 0)

See subject.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:02:45 PM EST
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