Edwards Campaign Speaks on Growing Hillary Contributor Scandal

Today's LA Times broke the news about what may be a camapign finance scandal involving the Clinton campaign:


The Times examined the cases of more than 150 donors who provided checks to Clinton after fundraising events geared to the Chinese community. One-third of those donors could not be found using property, telephone or business records. Most have not registered to vote, according to public records.

And several dozen were described in financial reports as holding jobs -- including dishwasher, server or chef -- that would normally make it difficult to donate amounts ranging from $500 to the legal maximum of $2,300 per election.

LA Times


"The bottom line is we need a nominee who can do two things," Bonior writes, "campaign in all 50 states and challenge our broken system in Washington. With every day the growing question has to be can Hillary Clinton do either?"

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More after the fold.

A brewing Clinton scandal

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While on the Democratic side, John Edwards and Barack Obama are taking increasingly openly swings at Hillary Clinton. So this LA Times story about Hillary's fundraising might give either of them the opening they need to go after Hillary on what are her three biggest weaknesses: her links to the Clinton scandals of the 1990s, trustworthiness and being part of the same old political establishment.

It is hard to put a sympathetic spin on this story about Clinton's surprising success in raising large amounts of coin in New York's Chinatown neighbourhood, an area where 45 percent of people are living below the poverty line.

Coffee House

More from the LA Times:

NEW YORK --

All three locations, along with scores of others scattered throughout some of the poorest Chinese neighborhoods in Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx, have been swept by an extraordinary impulse to shower money on one particular presidential candidate -- Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton.

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Dishwashers, waiters and others whose jobs and dilapidated home addresses seem to make them unpromising targets for political fundraisers are pouring $1,000 and $2,000 contributions into Clinton's campaign treasury.

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At least one reported donor denies making a contribution. Another admitted to lacking the legal-resident status required for giving campaign money.

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The tenement at 44 Henry St. was listed in Clinton's campaign reports as the home of Shu Fang Li, who reportedly gave $1,000.

In a recent visit, a man, apparently drunk, was asleep near the entrance to the neighboring beauty parlor, the Nice Hair Salon.

A tenant living in the apartment listed as Li's address said through a translator that she had not heard of him, although she had lived there for the last 10 years.

A man named Liang Zheng was listed as having contributed $1,000. The address given was a large apartment building on East 194th Street in the Bronx, but no one by that name could be located there.

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One New York man who said he enthusiastically donated $2,500 to Clinton doesn't appear to be eligible to do so under federal election law. He said he came to the United States from China about two years ago and didn't have a green card.

LA Times

John Edwards for President campaign manager Congressman David Bonior released the following statement:

"This morning we all read in L.A. Times that many Clinton campaign contributions are raising eyebrows again. Many of their donors are not even registered to vote, and at least one denied even making any contribution at all.

"In order to win in 2008, Democrats need to select a nominee who knows the system in Washington is not only broken, but it's corrupt. This is not a purity contest - it's not about what we've done yesterday. This is about what each of us can do today to fix the system. Senator Clinton has said public financing is the answer. Senator Edwards has opted to take public financing, but Senator Clinton has not. Senator Clinton should explain why she doesn't mean what she says.  

"The bottom line is we need a nominee who can do two things: campaign in all 50 states and challenge our broken system in Washington. With every day the growing question has to be can Hillary Clinton do either?"

David Bonior

Hillary Clinton has no interest in fixing the system that she has so long been part of.



Display:


I like your first sentence (2.00 / 1)

"about what may be a camapign finance scandal"

What may be ...

You don't even feel secure enough yourself to call it a scandel or to say she did something wrong.   You are just floating stuff at this point.

Weak.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:02:16 PM EST

Tell it to the (2.00 / 2)

LA Times.  Have you read the article?  Do you even care?


by TomP on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:05:29 PM EST
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I read quotes from donors who said they gave her $ (2.00 / 1)

Imagine that.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:09:16 PM EST
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Umm so you're OK (2.00 / 6)

with people donating who are not citizens? You're ok with false information on donor records?

Ahh, smells like Bush at work. Facts? Who needs them, I want to win.


by Chaoslillith on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:12:03 PM EST
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1 person? (2.00 / 1)

Is it possible that the person wrote a check and was he himself unaware of the law?  Is it?

Show me some systemic problem --- show me a 100 such examples and I'll be more suspicious.

Its like the other dumb example they give.  Some reporter who isn't from the neighborhood walks up to a building stoop and asked for so and so.  Is anyone suprised when a local minority resident says "never heard of him."  I'm not.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:23:45 PM EST
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Re: 1 person? (1.83 / 6)

they could only find about one quarter of the people.. already one person denies it, one gave illegally, and the other half couldn't be found...


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:32:51 PM EST
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Re: 1 person? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah that must be it. A bunch of dumb ass people are actually supporting Clinton. Somehow I find that easy to believe. Thanks for the explanation.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 05:10:21 PM EST
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Edwards (2.00 / 1)

That's his response, who could win? Maybe Edwards is hiding something.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:05:02 PM EST

LOL!! (none / 0)

You are so funny.  No facts.


by TomP on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:06:01 PM EST
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Re: LOL!! (none / 0)

EXACTLY! Exactly, Tom. You get it.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:06:43 PM EST
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taylor marsh (2.00 / 1)

Taylor Marsh will hopefully jump on this guy.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:05:11 PM EST

Re: taylor marsh (2.00 / 3)

I'm sure he's real scared.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:06:31 PM EST
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wrong again (2.00 / 2)

taylor was saying as long as there's no public financing their will always be slime just different levels.

there IS public financing however...

this scandal seems like a shakedown of poor immigrants some afraid of being deported


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:21:04 PM EST
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Re: taylor marsh (none / 0)

You know, I asked you to provide proof of this in another diary, but you have yet to respond to three of my questions when I have responded to all of yours.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:21:24 PM EST
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Re: taylor marsh (none / 0)

I actually like Taylor Marsh most of the time. She has a real insight about things political. I don't always agree with her but I respect her opinion. She does have a few blinders on when it comes to Clinton.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 05:15:29 PM EST
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I will admit though (1.09 / 11)

What maybe scandels are fun to dish about during campaign season.  No doubt about it, so I understand your post.

If anyone else wants to talk about what may be scandels I will throw out two names:

1.Geoffrey Fieger
2.Rielle Hunter

All in good Friday afternoon fun after all.  Google on!


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:08:09 PM EST

Re: I will admit though (2.00 / 1)

This did not deserve a '0' rating, so I uprated it.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:14:17 PM EST
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Edward's Double Standard (1.60 / 5)

Geoffrey Fieger broke the law to raise money for Edwards and was indicted.  Who has been indicted in the Clinton camp?

Edwards lives in a glass house and is throwing stones.  That is dumb.

More on Fieger and his Edwards fundraising:

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/ 08/26/edwards-fundraiser-indicted/

If Edwards were smart he would keep the campaign focused on real issues and not baseless attacks.  He hasn't shown he can play attack politics in the big leagues and he may get more than he wished for.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:18:36 PM EST

public financing (1.62 / 8)

so you don't have to shakedown immigrants for cash


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:22:12 PM EST
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Your post is baseless and disgusting (2.00 / 1)

Shakedown?

Puh-lease.  

The quote I read had a guy who made 500 a weak who talked about how proud he was to give.

You and shakedown stuff is sick.  I don't rate people that often but I had to hit you on this one.

Way out of line.  Shakedown conjurs up images that don't belong here.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:25:44 PM EST
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Re: Edward's Double Standard (none / 0)

There's a Newsweek(?) article talking about the suspicious fundrasing stories about Edwards. I just passed since it's kind of moot. I am trying to dig it ou.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:24:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

did you happen to miss the (2.00 / 2)

very first line of your link?:

"It's an episode from John Edwards' previous run for president, before he was tapped to be a candidate for VP under John Kerry."

Even so if you research this you will find that the Edwards campaign cooporated with all investigations.


Check out the New Progressive Blog EENRBLOG
by dk2 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:26:06 PM EST
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Re: Edward's Double Standard (none / 0)

HSU HSU HSU


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 05:18:22 PM EST
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Re: Edward's Double Standard (2.00 / 1)

Fieger is popular?  With whom?  The man is a disgrace to the legal profession, the Democratic Party, and just about every other group he's come into contact with.  Are you familiar with the time the Orthodox rabbis in Detroit came out against assisted suicide, and Fieger said "they're closer to Nazis than they think they are"?

When Fieger ran for governor, this true-blue Democrat voted for John Engler - and you can't even imagine how hard it was for me to pull the lever for John Fucking Engler.  That's how "popular" Geoffrey Fieger is in my book.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 06:21:27 PM EST
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Edwards cooperated fully in the prosecution of (2.00 / 1)

Fieger.

No charges were ever even contemplated against Edwards; he and his campaign provided all the information they had about Fieger and any monies that might have come from him.


by edgery on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 08:00:50 PM EST
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Re: Edwards cooperated fully in the prosecution of (2.00 / 1)

No charges?

So no story?

Do tell, what chrages have been directed at Clinton?  None.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 12:41:25 AM EST
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Re: Edward's Double Standard (none / 0)

That's the problem dp. He and his handlers are not smart at all.


by lonnette33 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:35:59 PM EST
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Talk of this (none / 0)

will only make Hillary supporters fight harder. It reminds them of all garbage put out by the right wing during the Clinton years. Whether or not there is merit to this being ever called scandal, and I would say there's definetly not, if Obama and Edwards go after her for this they will only suffer a backlash.


by Christopher Lib on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:22:58 PM EST

Re: Edwards Campaign Speaks on Growing Hillary Con (1.88 / 9)

Clintonistas, can your candidate explain this article then by The Nation?

Hillary's Mysterious Money Men

In the Clintons' pursuit of power, there is no such thing as a strange bedfellow. One recently exposed inamorata was Norman Hsu, the mysterious businessman from Hong Kong who brought in $850,000 to Hillary Clinton's campaign before being unmasked as a fugitive. Her campaign dismissed Hsu as someone who'd slipped through the cracks of an otherwise unimpeachable system for vetting donors, and perhaps he was. The same cannot be said for the notorious financier Alan Quasha, whose involvement with Clinton is at least as substantial--and still under wraps.

Political junkies will recall Quasha as the controversial figure who bailed out George W. Bush's failing oil company in 1986, folding Bush into his company, Harken Energy, thus setting him on the path to a lucrative and high-profile position as an owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, and the presidency. The persistently unprofitable Harken--many of whose board members, connected to powerful foreign interests and the intelligence community, nevertheless profited enormously--faced intense scrutiny in the early 1990s and again during Bush's first term.

and the implication, besides being tied to Bush?

"That Hillary Clinton's campaign is involved with this particular cast of characters should give people pause," says John Moscow, a former Manhattan prosecutor. In the late 1980s and early '90s he led the investigation of the corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) global financial empire--a bank whose prominent shareholders included members of the Harken board. "Too many of the same names from earlier troubling circumstances suggests a lack of control over who she is dealing with," says Moscow, "or a policy of dealing with anyone who can pay."

The Nation

Doesn't seem too different from the Corporate Republicans to me.   How we have change in this country?  Looks like status quo, which is totally opposite of progressive action that many of us desire.


by benny06 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:26:05 PM EST

Did Obama return his Norman Hsu cash? (2.00 / 1)


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:29:40 PM EST
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Re: Did Obama return his Norman Hsu cash? (2.00 / 2)

He and Biden did.


by benny06 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:39:01 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Campaign Speaks on Growing Hillary Con (2.00 / 4)

Whoever TR'd my comment, I suggest you read the entire article and note the reputation of the Nation.  It tends to be more progressive in tone.  I'm pointing out there is a pattern that is very disturbing, and if you want to call The Nation a troll, then so be it, but I am not a troll here.

FWIW, The Nation also had concerns for the Edwards campaign in terms of polls not long ago.


by benny06 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 04:44:36 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Campaign Speaks on Growing Hillary Con (2.00 / 2)

That would be a Clinton supporter. They have no qualms about abusing the rating system or calling people racists or sexists. A fun crowd them. And such moral leaders of our party.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 05:22:04 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Campaign Speaks on Growing Hillary Con (none / 0)

And the pot calls the kettle black.


by lonnette33 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:38:13 PM EST
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The Nation endorses Ralph Nader (2.00 / 1)

Good to see The Nation publishing speculative hit pieces on Democratic candidates. When are they announcing their endorsement of Ralph Nader?


by hwc on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 05:20:13 PM EST

Re: The Nation endorses Ralph Nader (none / 0)

I agree. They should be ashamed of theirselves. Wait for the advirtisement in the general election "The Liberal magazine the Nation said Hillary (fill in the blank)". I'm glad at least the front pages of MyDD and Daily Kos aren't taking this road.


by Christopher Lib on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 07:40:49 PM EST
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Re: The Nation endorses Ralph Nader (2.00 / 1)

So The Nation is a trollish pub? hmm


by benny06 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 09:16:13 PM EST
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Re: The Nation endorses Ralph Nader (2.00 / 1)

The Nation has some good and some bad. Kind of the lefty version of the American Spectator. That particular article was nothing but speculation and innuendo. Kind of like all the books that have been written about the guy seen on the grassy knoll.

Where the Democratic hitmen better be very careful is they seem to consistently go after ethnic donors as if there is something wrong with Chinese Americans or Phillipino Americans donating to political campaigns.

There's a racist undertone to hit pieces such as those in the LA TIMES or The Nation. Edwards needs to tread very lightly. Remember, Obama got stung hard for his "Punjabi" hit piece.

These ethnic American groups are key consituencies in the Democratic Party coalition.


by hwc on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:25:37 PM EST
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Re: The Nation endorses Ralph Nader (none / 0)

I think people forget that the key component of Bill Clinton's fundraising scandal, such as it was, was that it involved money from Chinese nationals.  The ostensible hook was that he was selling national security secrets for campaign cash.  Now, that was all crazy shit in my book, don't get me wrong.

But people seem to think that when allegations come up concerning a Chinese-American businessman or immigrants or whoever, it somehow relates back to the same old scandal.  Well, maybe they all have the same name, as Bill Richardson said, but it's not even close to the same allegation.

The hook for the LA TImes piece is that they were investigating not simply donations from Chinese names, but donations from extremely poor zip codes where you wouldn't expect to see people maxing out.  That's fair game to look into.  But people need to be cautious around these issues and not simply play up the yellow peril because it might leave a mark on Hillary.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 01:01:48 AM EST
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Re: The Nation endorses Ralph Nader (none / 0)

Are you saying that it was just pure coincidence that the LA Times only tried to track down donors with Asian names?

I don't think so.

We know that Clinton has donors from some of the lower socio-economic neighborhoods of greater Los Angeles, but the LA Times focused their research on Asian donors in NYC just by happenstance?

I'm not buying that. Actually, I'm not even buying that the LA Times initiated this effort to hunt down donors. I think they were handed a list from a rival campaign oppo research team...probably the Republicans. Dog whistle race-baiting is their particular specialty.

Interestingly, I heard an NPR piece a couple months ago with operatives from several campaigns talking about the difficully of vetting donors at these ethnic fundraisers. Campaigns don't want to insult donors by demanding to see their green cards or immigration papers. They make donors sign the standard forms saying they have legal immmigration status and are giving their own money. But, let's be realistic. It is pretty difficult for any campaign to fully vet a thousand attendees at a fundraiser event in Chinatown.


by hwc on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 11:47:04 AM EST
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This is just too much. (2.00 / 1)

I understand fundraising and money to run campaigns, but this?  This is really low.  Can someone, anyone, explain to me how a dishwasher making minimum wage, afford 2300/4600 donation?  Can anyone?  I find this hard to believe.  And just the way this was done with bogus addresses, phone numbers, etc.  And it does smell like a shakedown.

Clinton need to explain this.  Period.


by iamready on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 06:01:45 PM EST

Re: This is just too much. (none / 0)

Maybe it was this guy.

Seriously, if you read the article, you have some people openly admitting that they donated far more than a week's salary and they're happy about it for some odd reason.  I'm not saying all the donations are legit, cause I have no idea, but they're certainly not all phony.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 01:04:32 AM EST
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Glad Edwards is speaking out. (none / 0)

Now where is Obama?


by Namtrix on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 07:10:02 PM EST

Re: Glad Edwards is speaking out. (none / 0)

Why should he speak out?  This is her problem.  She is the one who need to speak out.


by iamready on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 07:43:41 PM EST
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Missing Donors (continued) (2.00 / 1)

Since many here are having trouble reading the actual article (I'm guessing based on their comments), here is more of it:

The tenement at 44 Henry St. was listed in Clinton's campaign reports as the home of Shu Fang Li, who reportedly gave $1,000.
...
A tenant living in the apartment listed as Li's address said through a translator that she had not heard of him, although she had lived there for the last 10 years.

A man named Liang Zheng was listed as having contributed $1,000. The address given was a large apartment building on East 194th Street in the Bronx, but no one by that name could be located there.

In the busy heart of East Broadway, beneath the Manhattan Bridge, is a building that is listed as the home of Sang Cheung Lee, also reported to have given $1,000. ... Neighbors said they knew of no one with Lee's name there; they knocked on one another's doors in a futile effort to find him.

Salespeople at a store on Canal Street were similarly baffled when asked about Shih Kan Chang, listed as working there and having given $1,000. ... Employees said they had not heard of Chang.

Another listed donor, Yi Min Liu, said he did not make the $1,000 contribution in April that was reported in his name. He said he attended a banquet for Clinton but did not give her money.

One New York man who said he enthusiastically donated $2,500 to Clinton doesn't appear to be eligible to do so under federal election law. He said he came to the United States from China about two years ago and didn't have a green card.


by edgery on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 08:11:58 PM EST

Re: Missing Donors (continued) (2.00 / 1)

You are aware that the Clinton campaign returned $850,000 in donations bundled by Mr. Hsu. These donors, from April, were quite likely some of those bundled donations.


by hwc on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:28:47 PM EST
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I'd Have to Say (none / 0)

The Edwards Campaign choosing to focus on this will be regarded internally as a Net Negative by Campaigns' End.


by Edgar08 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 08:28:30 PM EST

I heard Edwards took movies off his site (1.40 / 5)

Edwards took some movies or videos he paid over 100,000 to have made off his site.  I heard they were supposed to be good.  Why did he pull them?   Is there a story there?


by dpANDREWS on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 09:09:30 PM EST

in the meantime.... (none / 0)


by iamready on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:27:39 PM EST
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Re: in the meantime.... (2.00 / 1)

Meanwhile, your guy can't even conjure up 50 % of the AA vote. I mean he is AA himself, right? That says it all.


by lonnette33 on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:42:40 PM EST
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Re: in the meantime.... (none / 0)

he is not my "guy" and the narrative start in Iowa.  in the meantime, enjoy!!


by iamready on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 11:44:43 PM EST
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Obama scoopin' sum cash too ... no doubt (none / 0)


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 12:16:52 AM EST
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Re: Obama scoopin' sum cash too ... no doubt (none / 0)

of course, but the reality is to match the DONOR to the DONATION.  that is the big issue here.  they can not match the donor to the donation.  with suspect that these people NEVER EXISTED.  and the way the system is, it is totally flawed.  this is the second scandal with money on the Clinton doorstep, once you get a pass, but twice, the dogs are out sniffing around.  and that is what is going on here.  she need to clean house totally.  if not, people start questioning ethics, and honesty.  sorry, no candidate want that question for any voter.


by iamready on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 12:20:55 AM EST
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Big Pharma and coal luvin' Obama (none / 0)

... follow the voting record


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 12:24:05 AM EST
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Re: Big Pharma and coal luvin' Obama (none / 0)

u can do that, but again, match donor to donation.  this is not a gotcha, here.  mrs. clinton was probably forewarned about this story coming out, and the paper asked for a rebuttal, but there is none.  the problem with her, again, donor match to donation.  also, the area where this money came from.  i don't know if you know L.A., but I do.  it does not add up.  that is her biggest problem here.  this system is totally flawed and set up for loopholes, etc.  but to think this is not a problem, think again, it is.  it is about honesty and following the rules and law.  remember, we already have a rogue president who does not honor the constitution and does not think the law is applicable to him.  we don't need a perception that we have someone on "our side" just like bush.  if anything we need someone totally OPPOSITE from bush.


by iamready on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 12:29:55 AM EST
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Re: I heard Edwards took movies off his site (2.00 / 1)

This does not deserve a 0.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 12:00:17 AM EST
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I Think The Big Media ... (none / 0)

.... will try to "overlook" any possible scandal involving Clinton. I am convinced that the big media likes her, maybe because they think she might continue the occupation. Maybe war sells newspapers. But am am not yet convinced that this is a big-time scandal. It might be merely a smallish blemish. I will have to watch the 'net news closely for more on this one.


by blues on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 05:19:01 AM EST

Re: I Think The Big Media ... (none / 0)

Hey, it could be part of the Hsu bundle. In that case, it will be all rehash, which is all many opponents seem to have.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 09:33:06 AM EST
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