House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto

As going into this morning's debate on the override of Bush's SCHIP veto Democrats appeared 15 or so votes shy of the 2/3 to succeed, the news that their attempt has failed is disappointing but not terribly surprising. The vote was 273-156 (roll call HERE.) Only two Democrats voted against override (Rep. Marshall of Georgia and Rep. Taylor of Mississippi) and 44 Republicans voted Yes.

So what now? This article from the Christian Science Monitor will likely be typical:

But even before Thursday's House vote, GOP moderates were scoping out prospects for a Plan B on renewal of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) - one that they could expect to see the president sign.

A starting point is more funding. Mr. Bush has asked for a $5 billion increase in the S-CHIP program over the next five years. Congress passed a bill calling for a $35 billion expansion.

"There is room for a compromise, but it has to come at the income level [determining which families qualify for government help], and the amount of funding," says Rep. Ray LaHood (R) of Illinois, who has been lobbying his caucus to support the current S-CHIP bill. The intense lobbying campaign on Capitol Hill in the days since Bush's Oct. 3 veto has moved a few votes into the "yes" column, he says, but not enough. "But a lot of Republicans want a bill to vote on."

Yes, the Democrats are going to be portrayed as the intransigent ones, the ones unwilling to compromise when in reality, this was already a compromise bill. If Mr. 24% is such a grand advocate for compromise, surely he'll budge from his $5 billion number. Right?

Update [2007-10-18 13:53:28 by Todd Beeton]: Steve Benen makes an interesting point.

Here’s the key number to keep in mind: last month 45 House Republicans voted for his bill. Today, that number dropped to 44.

In other words, after weeks of media scrutiny, public debate, constituent phone calls, right-wing smears of innocent families, and intense lobbying, the Republican Party ended up going backwards on providing healthcare for low-income kids.

Compassionate conservatism, R.I.P.

Truly amazing the ability of this deeply unpopular president to still keep the Republican caucus in line even at their electoral peril.



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Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (none / 0)

I saw the names of several Republicans who actually voted yes on the original bill, but changed in the wrong direction to vote no on the override.  Bush must be thrilled with their loyalty.

We did manage to move most of the bad Democrats from the no column into the yes column, so that's a positive.  But did we pick up any Republicans at all on the override attempt that we didn't already have?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:45:54 PM EST

Forbidden (none / 0)

I FORBID

http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYedy10iU yQ&mode=related&search

"I am a Nurse I was Denied Care"
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"I was a Teacher I have Insurance I was Denied Care"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4kEvdyIc Bk&mode=related&search

"I made very good money I have insurance I was Denied Care"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNHNCScYp X8&mode=related&search

"I have been insured as long as I can remember my son was Denied Care"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2peGqRrjX ek&mode=related&search

"I paid into insurance companies but I was Denied Care"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0Vn_Bpp wM&mode=related&search=

"The Healthcare Solution: California OneCare" - - excellent video

California State Assembly passed this bill - Arnold vetoed it

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I Forbid You To Have Good Health - - Arnold/Bush


by dearreader on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:48:47 PM EST
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TEN (none / 0)

SCHIP veto override short by 10 House of Representative Republican obstructionist votes

vs

10 million children

http://www.dccc.org/action_center/petiti ons/childrens_health_care

Send a Message to Rubber Stamp Republicans who stood with President Bush and not with America's children.


by dearreader on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:28:10 PM EST
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Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (none / 0)

Which Repubs switched?
 2 Dems and 2 Repubs did not vote. - Why? Are they ill, absent for good reason, or just chose not to vote on this issue?
by susie on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:47:13 PM EST

Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (none / 0)

Did not vote:

Carson (D-IN)
Johnson E.B. (D-TX)
Jindal (R-LA)
King (R-NY)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll982. xml


by silver spring on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 03:12:33 PM EST
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The Dems should let the SCHIP progam die (2.00 / 1)

Make George Bush responsible for cutting off funding for our children.

Has he been willing to compromise on Iraq? Nope. Screw the Republicans. Let 50 state programs collapse before the 2008 election. Make every one of these bastard Republicans carry an anchor around on the campaign trail.


by hwc on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:50:00 PM EST

Re: The Dems should let the SCHIP progam die (none / 0)

You are kidding right?

In the name of politics you would be willing to see millions of children go without good healthcare? That approach seems very radical to me.


by talex26 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:04:07 PM EST
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Re: The Dems should let the SCHIP progam die (2.00 / 1)

Make the Republicans cave. The Dems passed a bi-partisan compromise bill. Bush veto'd it. He's counting on the Democrats to cave before SCHIP expires. Let the Republicans sweat. Fifty governors will be going ballistic.


by hwc on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:08:48 PM EST
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Re: The Dems should let the SCHIP progam die (2.00 / 1)

There has to be a better way to make political hay out of this than by playing chicken with the insurance coverage of all the kids who are covered by this program.

Whatever the issue may be, if the Republicans don't give us every dime we ask for, we're going to blow the whole program up?  That seems like an awfully heavy-handed way to run a country.

The Republicans are already talking compromise.  Bush has repeatedly said that he's willing to put additional money on the table.  If the Democrats don't stay on the offensive, and adopt your suggestion of doing nothing and just waiting for the state programs to fail, what's going to happen is that the Republicans are going to seize the initiative and make a funding proposal of their own.  And then either the Democrats give in to the Republican proposal and lose their advantage on this issue, or they stonewall it and end up taking the lion's share of the blame if catastrophe results.

I know you're contemptuous of Dennis Kucinich's stance on S-CHIP.  But if we adopt your approach, we become a whole party of Kucinichs, saying that if the Democrats can't have everything they've asked for, then all the kids will just have to go without.  I don't believe that sort of hardball will be rewarded on election day.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:38:57 PM EST
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Ditto (none / 0)

Thanks for being another sane voice.


by talex26 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 04:02:46 PM EST
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Re: Ditto (none / 0)

Ditto.

("Ditto, you provincial putz?!")


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by Sandwich Repairman on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 04:11:05 PM EST
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Re: The Dems should let the SCHIP progam die (none / 0)

Given the attitude of some members of the so-called liberal blogosphere, probably.


by spirowasright on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:26:33 PM EST
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Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (none / 0)

Yesterday Bush managed to change the subject from the veto override vote to WW 3.  However, this doesn't change the American people's perception that the Republicans don't give a damn about America's children.  Over and over we have seen decisions made from a political standpoint and this is no different.  Bush has decided to ignore the Democratic Congress and the Republicans have cast their lot with Bush. This has happened over and over in the last 7 years however, since the Dems took congress they have the added bonus to make sure that nothing the Dems propose gets through It makes me so mad when I hear that the Democrats are weak on the issues. Democrats know where they stand and the Republicans know how to obstruct, obscure and obfiscate everything for political gain.  HERE WE GO AGAIN


by changehorses08 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:55:58 PM EST

They are playing for Healthcare 2008 (none / 0)

Digby has made the argument the GOP is trying to set up their argument against healthcare in 2008.

The GOP knows NHC would doom the GOP for 20 years or more if it passes.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:13:37 PM EST

Re: They are playing for Healthcare 2008 (none / 0)

That's exactly right.

It's no mystery why the Republicans are sticking with Bush on this. Despite negative press and pressure from liberal groups (which they don't care about at all), Republicans need to stick to their blind opposition to government subsidized health care.

If they lost the vote, it will only come back next year again and the demand will be for higher limits. If you're at $50,000 and the cut-off is at $49,000 they you're not happy and the argument becomes "why not me too? Why shouldn't I get some?"

It's a slippery slope and they know it. That's why they are so desperate to cut off government benefits for everybody, rather than risk the middle class getting used to having the benefits, then it becomes impossible to cut off, like social security.

If America ever got publicly funded health care it becomes a key pillar of the Democratic party and "protect our subsidized health care" becomes the equivalent of "standing strong to protect social security" a constant thorn in the sides of Republicans. So they have to fight now, no matter what the short term political hit.

This plays well politically for both parties. Solid opposition plays to the Republican base on taxes and "unearned" benefits (they'll emphasize that illegals will get health care). Democrats obviously get a campaign issue that they can use in attack ads "Representative X voted to support Bush's veto of funding for health care for America's families.. .."

See? It works for both parties.


by Cugel on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 03:03:41 PM EST
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Re: They are playing for health care 2008 (none / 0)

I generally agree.  We coasted for a long time on Social Security and Medicare (these are things that get fairly broad opposition before they're created but become untouchable once people see how they benefit from them), but that's been 40 and 70 years.  "What have you done for me lately?"  When Clinton, Kennedy, and Hatch created SCHIP, I thought part of the genius of it was to create a program you could be sort of born into, but then age out of--the reverse of Medicare.  I thought we'd get used to kids having health insurance, and once a critical mass of them had gotten too old for it, there would be a cry to expand it to 21 or 25 or just everyone.  Obviously, that hasn't happened, though you could argue that's in part because SCHIP still doesn't cover every child.

Seniors for a long time were our best voters because they remembered the Depression and what the New Deal did for them.  FDR was almost a religious figure to many.  Universal health care would create a new generation like that.  And it's not just about callous Rovian calculations to build a "permanent majority"; it's about democracy working--the people supporting politicians who represent their interests and improve their lives.

Which reminds me--can Howard Dean go down to Gene Taylor's district in Mississippi and find out why his constituents would rather NOT have health coverage for their kids?  I thought poverty down there was bad enough already.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 04:24:31 PM EST
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I was born in that district (none / 0)

before Taylor, before his predecessor, before Trent Lott- I am old enough (barely) to have experienced segregated school systems and to have gone through integration.

Paul Krugman pretty much nails the answer in his new book and you can hear an extended interview with him [ http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/10/15.php #13763 here]


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 06:31:40 PM EST
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Re: I was born in that district (none / 0)

Thanks, will try to listen to that if I have time.  What do you think is the answer?


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 06:10:18 AM EST
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Re: I was born in that district (none / 0)

I tend to agree with Krugman. In that district government benefits (other than SS benefits paid after retirement) = welfare. Welfare is something liberals give lazy African Americans to bribe them to vote for liberals (THIS IS NOT MY VIEW- this is the my view of a substantial number of the people of that district)


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 10:07:28 AM EST
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Re: I was born in that district (none / 0)

I listened to that show.  If Taylor is another race-baiter, we sure as hell should be getting him out of Congress.  The irony of these issues is that places like his MS district are the ones that benefit most from programs like SCHIP and welfare.

On another note, I find it unseemly that Krugman gave his book the same title as Paul Wellstone's 2001 book.  Was it a bad attempt to reference Wellstone?  He couldn't have been unaware of Wellstone's book, and while you have to expect movie and book titles to get repeated eventually, 6 years seems much too soon.  Something is wrong there.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 07:06:00 PM EST
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Re: I was born in that district (none / 0)

I didn't mean to imply Taylor is a race baiter. I do mean to imply that such attitudes are more prevalent then anyone would like to admit.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 08:47:54 PM EST
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Re: I was born in that district (none / 0)

I wonder if they think flood relief equals welfare...


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 07:06:45 PM EST
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Who is gonna bell this fucking cat? (none / 0)

OK, the over-ride failed.  Wow, dog bites man.

Now, the question is HOW TO PIN THIS TURKEY on THE REPUKELISCUM?

Is there a web site to register people without coverage who don't qualify for the upcoming S-CHIP, but would have qualified for the vetoed?  The web site needs story, income, location, why no insurance.

We have to produce ads and run them in the districts of vulnerable Repukeliscum and also non-vulnerable ones.  Who will pay for this?


by dataguy on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:19:02 PM EST

Re: Who is gonna bell this fucking cat? (none / 0)

And that is exactly how you should be viewing this.


by spirowasright on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:27:45 PM EST
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Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (none / 0)

And that, sadly, has become a rarity in the liberal blogosphere--actually confronting your adversaries.


by spirowasright on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:29:06 PM EST

Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (none / 0)

There is no need to compromise at all...

Republicans seem completely immune to public pressure...  so, we should keep pressuring them, and let the public have its say on election day...

That's the only thing that will change their minds... getting driven out of power...  they won't change their minds before that....

Sadly, it makes them look strong...  it really is a good political strategy for them...  let's make it backfire on them...

Keep up the media pressure... make sure their constituents know what they are losing thanks to their congressman....

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:40:09 PM EST

Big Tobacco Wins (2.00 / 1)

Big Tobacco won one with the failure of the SCHIP override.  They conducted an effective & targeted grassroots campaign.  Through all the smoke one thing is clear: the Republicans are still a subsidary of thier tobacco cash masters.  Thier program for kids is simple, first deny 'em health care, then addict them and stick taxpayers with the bill later.


by howardpark on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 03:35:35 PM EST

Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (2.00 / 1)

This is also not about the money. The Dept of Health and Human Services just implement executive branch rules that effectively wipe out SCHIP. The bill that was just vetoed reversed those new rules.

It's those rules that Bush won't compromise on.

Screw the Republicans. The Dems have to play political hardball. Better yet, pass a new bill that only provides coverage in the districts of Congressmen who voted for the bill.


by hwc on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 04:07:08 PM EST

Re: House Fails To Override SCHIP Veto (2.00 / 1)

I found it quite noteworthy myself that we actually lost 1 Republican on this since the last House vote on it.  What we did is gain Democrats; we lost 2 today instead of 8 last time.  The 6 who came home are:

Dan Boren (OK), Kathy Castor (FL), Bob Etheridge (NC), Baron Hill (IN), Dennis Kucinich (OH), and Mike McIntyre (NC).

I am baffled by the Dems' strategy to put this through the House first.  Rangel is quoted in the WashPost saying the Senate dictated the substance of the bill, and we already got 67 votes in the upper chamber.  Why didn't they vote on this in the Senate to add pressure to House Republicans?  The argument could then be made that they were the only thing standing between 3.4 million children and health insurance.

The Post suggests that more or less superficial changes might be enough to gain us the additional Republicans we need.  I hope that's the case.  But I also would like to see take no prisoners campaigns against vulnerable and moderate Republicans who voted against us.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 04:07:25 PM EST


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