Strategic Vision (R): Clinton Narrowly Extends Iowa Lead

Earlier today Todd posted on the Rasmussen Poll showing Hillary Clinton holding a double-digit poll over both John Edwards and Barack Obama. Republican pollster Strategic Vision is out today with its own numbers out of Iowa which show a slightly different race -- one in which Clinton leads, but not everwhelmingly so. The latest numbers are as follows (along with the Pollster.com trend estimate, which includes Rasmussen but not Strategic Vision):

Strategic Vision, 600 Democratic LVs, October 12-14, MoE +/- 4%
Strategic Vision
(9/23)
Pollster
Average
Clinton28 (24)28.7
Obama23 (21)23.3
Edwards20 (22)21.3
Richardson9 (13)10.2
Biden6 (4)N/A
Dodd1 (1)N/A
Kucinich1 (1)N/A
Undecided12 (14)N/A

Strategic Vision's numbers run a bit more closely to the Pollster.com average than do those from Rasmussen, and the trend from the GOP polling outfit seems to mirror the trend found by Pollster.com as well. Specifically, as Edwards has steadily lost support since about April and Bill Richardson has lost some support since the summer, both Clinton and Obama have been steadily gaining ground among Iowans.

To take a step back from these specific numbers, I think it's worth asking a fundamental question about polling the Iowa caucuses: How do you come up with a turnout model when you don't know what day the caucuses are going to be held? Specifically, does anyone actually believe that turnout for a Thursday night January 3 caucus, when many voters just won't have the time to take two hours to participate, would be the same as the turnout on a Saturday afternoon January 5 caucus, when significantly fewer voters will be working or have just gotten off of work? Might not the turnout also be different were the Democratic caucuses to be held on Tuesday night January 14, which Ben Smith says is a possibility?

It could be the case that the sentiments of voters 1 through 125,000 are not terribly different from those of voters 125,001 through 150,000 or 175,000 or 200,000. But then again, it also could be the case that those going to caucus for the first time ever or even the first time in many years are a whole lot different from those who are already pretty determined to keep up their streak of making it to the caucuses every four years.

I don't mean to discount the polling conducted on the race. I think it still provides a good snapshot into things and enables us to at least grab on to a tangible metric to gauge how the race is going. At the same time, it's just not clear to me that the numbers we're seeing today mean as much about what's going to happen in January 2009 2008 as a lot of folks would have you believe.



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Re: Strategic Vision (R): Clinton Narrowly Extends (none / 0)

Please, feel free to discount the polling done on this race.  

Unless a pollster is utilizing the data from the Iowa Democratic Party's voter file, they are relying on people to self-identify as caucus attendees, and not just polling people that they know have, in fact, attended a caucus in the past.  

From the perspective of someone who has tried to turn people out to a caucus, let me tell you that not nearly every person who tells someone over the phone that they will attend their caucus will actually do so.

In my personal obersations and calling of D primary voters who did not attend a caucus in 2004, I genuinely do get the sense that Clinton has disproportionately more support amongst this group than the poll numbers I have seen.  This tells me that to the degree any public poll is picking up people less likely to make it to a caucus, it is inflating Clinton's numbers.


by Nate Willems on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:35:21 PM EST

Re: Strategic Vision (R): Clinton Narrowly Extends (none / 0)

Polling in caucus states, and particularly in Iowa, is notoriously unreliable.  The pro-Clinton trend, though, shows up in every poll.  It is obviously really there.

There's still time for the trend to change, but if the ad wars don't start pretty soon, Clinton might have a big lead before they even begin.


by Trickster on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 12:54:48 AM EST
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ad wars have been ongoing (none / 0)

Only Edwards has not yet advertised on tv in Iowa. The other candidates have had ads up for a long time, and Clinton and Obama have had their ads in heavy rotation.

Richardson saw a bump when he started running tv ads, and Clinton and Obama also have risen in Iowa polls since they started running ads. But Richardson seems to have peaked or at least plateaud.

I believe that Edwards will get a bump when he goes up on tv, which will be closer to the time that the majority of undecided voters make up their minds.

Many, many Iowa Democrats are still undecided--I would guess at least a third of caucus-goers.


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by desmoinesdem on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 09:17:59 AM EST
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Yeah, they thought the same of Kerry supporters.
by killjoy on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 05:48:14 AM EST
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Clinton Narrowly Extends Iowa Lead (2.00 / 1)

Resistance is futile.


by hwc on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:45:38 PM EST

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Bush is talking about WW3 as a fait accompli probably because his poll numbers are down at 24% so its time to scare the people.  Barbara Boxer said she is counting the days until we have a new president.  So am I and what's better than a faux cowboy but a real lady.  

Hill -- You Go Girl


by changehorses08 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:12:23 AM EST
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So HRC leads in 5 out of the last 6 Iowa polls...


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 12:00:41 AM EST

Re: Strategic Vision (R): Clinton Narrowly Extends (2.00 / 2)

Actually, 7 out of 8 (but who's counting :-))


by markjay on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 12:07:40 AM EST
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Re: Strategic Vision (R): Clinton Narrowly Extends (none / 0)

The real news is that Biden continues to build momentum with his genuine straight talk, smart ideas and presidential demeanor. Hide and watch--there's going to be a surprise of Howard Dean proportions if the senator continues to connect with voters the way he has the past few weeks.


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by soonerthought on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 10:49:19 AM EST

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No, at this point an Obama win or even Edwards win would be a surprise of Dean-proportions.  A Biden nomination would be akin to... I can't describe what that would be like.   In other words:  It isn't going to happen.


by georgep on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 12:33:20 PM EST
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I have to agree a Biden win would be as likely as a Gravel or Kucinich win.  Dodd or Richardson have the potential to pull a Kerry in Iowa on Election day, but other than that, it will come down to Obama, Edwards or a really bad choice.


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 05:10:31 PM EST
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The only thing happening in January 2009 is that hopefully a Democrat will be sworn in as President (and I turn 31).  Check your last paragraph... I think you meant to say Jan 2008! :-)


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 05:08:46 PM EST


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