What's Happening With Huckabee?

With a measly $1 million take for the third quarter (1/5 of what Ron Paul raised,) Mike Huckabee was clearly unable to translate his 2nd place finish in the Iowa straw poll in August into any meaningful fundraising advantage, but despite this, early state polls are starting to show some real movement on his part.

After tying Giuliani for third place in Iowa in the recent DesMoines Register poll, today's Rasmussen poll finds Huckabee surging into a tie for second with Fred Thompson. In addition to that, the last two New Hampshire polls show Huckabee tied with Thompson for 4th place and the most recent South Carolina poll shows him rising into double digits for the first time in a respectable 5th place. Not to mention that Rasmussen's national daily tracking poll may have to add a 5th column for Huckabee -- he's now up to 7%. The fact that someone who's raised so little money is playing with the big boys is significant. If conservatives are as discontent with their field as polls seem to indicate and are still looking for a candidate without "a glass jaw," it would appear that many are finding him in Mike Huckabee.

Dick Morris, who's worked as a consultant for Huckabee, concurs.

In the meantime, plugging away in the shadows, with no money and no political backing, an articulate, principled, knowledgeable, conservative Christian, Mike Huckabee, has been plowing the fields in Iowa hoping to catch a break. He is witty, sincere, dedicated and courageous in his own way. With a minus share of the vote, he kept at it and refused to pander on the one hand or give up on the other. [...]

Now he churns his way to the forefront of the pack in the Republican primary. He's still broke, but still finished a strong second in the Ames, Iowa, straw poll with 18 percent of the vote...[and] he has the best of all possible worlds: Rivals who are falling of their own weight. So here comes Mike.

One of the things that makes Huckabee such a stealth candidate is that he does seem to stay out of the news, content, it would appear, to do the retail politics thing, requiring neither money nor media attention. But when he does say or do something newsworthy, it's always something sort of strange, which further gives him the feel of a fringe candidate. First he's an advocate for the "fair tax," which wikipedia describes as

changing tax laws to replace the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and all federal income taxes (including Alternative Minimum Tax), payroll taxes (including Social Security and Medicare taxes), corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, gift taxes, and estate taxes with a national retail sales tax, to be levied once at the point of purchase on all new goods and services.

Crazy, right? And then there was his creepy suicide joke during the last GOP debate:

The former Arkansas governor, exaggerating, said other GOP presidential hopefuls were raising $100 for every nickel he had raised. "If I were some of these guys, I'd have to be sitting in a warm tub of water with razor blades," Huckabee said on MSNBC-TV.

Weird. And now we learn of this strange response to a question about whether his religious views would prevent him from supporting funding for safe-sex programs (From TPM):

"The best thing to do is to encourage people to make good choices," Huckabee said. "For example, if we were really serious about stopping a problem, whether it's drunk driving, we don't say, 'Okay, don't drive as drunk,' do we?"

Huckabee offered another example: "We don't say that a little domestic violence is okay, just cut it down a little, just don't hit quite as hard. We say it's wrong."

Hmm. Again, odd, but Blue Hampshire's Mike Caulfield makes the case that we ignore Huckabee at our own peril. It's not that Huckabee's stances aren't crazy, it's just that he delivers them in a nice guy package that could, in Caulfield's estimation, be truly dangerous if he's the nominee.

Here's the thing though... as I type this all out, the fringe nature of [Huckabee's response] becomes obvious. But in Huckabee's presence it's not. There is this air of reasonableness which flows off of him. He's a year 2000 George Bush with 40 additional IQ points and without that damn smirk. Even that doesn't hit it -- Huckabee is as talented on the stump as any of the candidates, Democratic or Republican. [...]

Hillary v. Huckabee is a threat to a Democratic victory in a way that Hillary v. Guiliani is frankly not. Were the Republican base to get past its craving for 2002, when hate was in vogue, they'd see that their best chance for an election win is to rerun the formula of 2000 with a sharper and more experienced candidate.

Huckabee is probably at the top of every candidate's VP list but if he hopes to be the guy choosing from his own VP list, Huckabee is going to have to build on his rising poll numbers with some money and some institutional support throughout the rest of this quarter. If he's able to do so, we could see an upset in the making.



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Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

We will be following his career with great interest.  A Gingrich and/or Dobson alliance could change the impact of Huckabee's campaign significantly.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 05:53:26 PM EST

Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

Right, that's the possibility I find interesting: Rudy wins and Huckabee, with Dobson's backing, runs as the third party "prolife" candidate. Twenty-seven percent of Republicans said they'd abandon the party to vote "pro-life." Add a few independents and even pro-life Dems--which reasonable-seeming Huckabee could attract--and then we're talking a Perot-in-92 kind of threat, a non-insane Perot.


by david mizner on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 06:07:03 PM EST
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Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

That's one possibility.  I still don't think it is too late for a late surge primary effort but they would have to get moving soon.  They have been flirting for a month.  Thompson's decline has created a window of opportunity and many die-hard social conservatives are still keeping their powder dry in hope of a miracle, as they do.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 06:10:19 PM EST
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Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

If his money raising picks up in Q4...watch out. I have been saying for well over a year that Huckabee would be the single most dangerous candidate we could face. You analogy with Bush, 2000 just smarter, is very very good.

He has some problems with the whole murderer he paroled, but frankly that's not going to stop hi if he were nominated. His "compassionate conservatism" rhetoric is far more believable coming from him than it was with Bush.

We need to watch out for him, and truly hope he is not the nominee.


by need some wood on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 06:13:26 PM EST

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Newest Iowa Poll, courtesy of Rasmussen Reports:

Romney: 25%
Thompson: 19%
Huckabee: 18%
Giuliani: 13%

Statistically tied for second? That's damn impressive.


by Unabridged on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 06:47:47 PM EST

Romney (none / 0)

I hope Romney is the Republican nominee. Though the polling says he's the easiest for a Democrat to beat that's not my reason.

He's the only one of the bunch who is borderline sane.

These guys terrify me.


by Coral on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 07:43:36 PM EST
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Re: Romney (none / 0)

really, you think Mr. "I'll Double Gitmo" is sane?


by johnny longtorso on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 09:02:13 PM EST
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Less insane? (none / 0)

So depressing. Horrifying, really.


by Coral on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 11:02:11 AM EST
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Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

2.9 for the GOP nomination at Intrade.  Some value in that.  He's a charmer; he has this way of making controversial and outrageous statements in harmless, even soothing way.


by mikelow1885 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 06:53:25 PM EST

Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

The primary schedule will end his campaign.  The setup of the primary schedule in both parties is designed to make sure that candidates not back by big money can't succeed.

A candidate not backed by big money can show some success this time of year in Iowa and New Hampshire.  That's due to the special nature of those campaigns and the fact that they actually focus on the quaint notion of a candidate talking to voters.

But, no matter what Mr. Huckabee, or any candidate not backed by big money like Kucinich or Gravel or Paul, does in these early elections, their campaigns will unravel quickly shortly thereafter.

The reason is that the schedule then shifts to a rapid series of big state primaries.  In those races, a candidate talking to voters is an irrelevant relic.  Instead the campaign is entirely about media buys and attack ads.  So the candidates backed by big money will blitz those big states with ad campaigns while the candidates like Huckabee or Kucinich are stuggling to talk to 50 voters at the local diner.  

The system is well designed to make sure there is no possibility of a small campaign and the voters blocking the wishes of big money.


by COBear on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 07:06:00 PM EST

Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

Yep. Raising $1 million a quarter shows that Huckabee doesn't have the organization or fundraising to do any damage. He's broke, just driving around New Hampshire, with no real plan.

McCain is broke, too.


by hwc on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 09:44:24 PM EST
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what are the bettors saying? (none / 0)

Those odds are always interesting.


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by John DE on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 08:00:08 PM EST

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Huckabee is everything that Bush pretends to be.  He's a honest-to-God Southerner, who really believes the pro-life agenda, and really makes policy that can sometimes be described as "compassionate."  He can show up on the "Daily Show" and look reasonable.    Hell, he's even pretty good in the debates.

In short, Huckabee scares the hell out of me.  Imagine if its Huckabee v. Hillary for the presidency.  Suddenly, Huckabee veers to the left on Iraq, and demands the troops out immediately.  Hillary will still support the Iraq policy she has now. . .that's my nightmare scenario.  He has the ability, as crazy as he is, to outflank Clinton on her right and left.

Luckily for us, the man can't fundraise to save his life.


by Jim Treglio on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 09:40:11 PM EST

He Can't Raise Money (none / 0)

I agree that he's probably the most dangerous Republican in a general election, but the business wing of the GOP won't allow him to win.  The guy actually has a mild economically populist streak and dared to raise taxes a few times while governor to pay for "unimportant" things like education and healthcare for kids.  That kind of stuff just doesn't mesh with the super crazy economic conservatives.  As a result, I just don't see where his money will come from -- thank god.


by HSTruman on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 10:00:37 PM EST

Re: He Can't Raise Money (2.00 / 1)

I agree with this and add one word: ClubforGrowth.net. (Yes they call themselves that now.) They have it in for him big time, for five tax raises. They are as big a problem for him as the Christian right is for Giuliani, bigger because Huckabee is in a weaker position overall. Also it isn't just money he can't raise. He can't get endorsements to save his life. If he is such a perfect movement candidate, why are Dobson and co out talking about a third party spoiler? He has NOT reached out to the people who are his natural constituency. If Dobson was going to support him, why not now?


by thesleepthief on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 10:03:26 PM EST
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In one of the Repub debates, you could practically hear a pin drop when he started talking about preventative healthcare.  That's another strike against him.  He used to be fat and is obsessed with trying to make people healthy, which means he is willing to spend gov't money to do it.  I do think his aw shucks charm is dangerous.


by Kingstongirl on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 10:22:43 PM EST

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Just to be clear, when I say it's another strike against him, I mean with Repubs.  They weren't enthusiastic about his idea at all.


by Kingstongirl on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:25:09 PM EST
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Since Huckabee's first appearance on Colbert he has terrified me. I have been watching his slow rise with concern and fear because if there's anyone that can bring the Theocratic wing on board without freaking the moderates out too much and reminding them that for all their unease they are united in hating Democrats, it's Huckabee.


by MNPundit on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:06:00 PM EST

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I have said from the beginning.. the nominee will be HUCKABEE.  I don't see any other way for the Xian right (who tends to overstate its influence on primary day- see '88 Robertson in IA or '92 Buchannan in NH).

And he is freakin' scary- he'll make Hillary fight in Arkansas (where she beats Guiliani/Romney by 20+ pts).  He sounds SO reasonable- but he's a nut.

As far as his humor- I actually think he's just a little bit a goofball in the best sense politically.


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:16:27 PM EST

Re: What's Happening With Huckabee? (none / 0)

FairTax crazy? Well, tis true, that cwazy guy, Mike Gravel tells us the FairTax is the only way to get un-screwed by Washington DC power-mongers that enjoy bartering tax favors that the tax code affords them.

But far less crazy economics researchers are pointing out that hiding taxes in higher prices (because of corporate income and payroll taxes) are eventuating in

* jobs moving offshore

  • a counter-competitive embedded 22% price-inflation factor in exported goods (while untaxing imports)
  • citizens paying for business taxes to the tune of 22 cents from every retail dollar spent (avg)
  • big-spending legislators less likely to be held to account because citizens do not understand their full tax load
  • a point of no return for our economy which is - in fact - melting down.

Where Mike Gravel's voice has little chance of being heard amongst Democrats, Mike Huckabee's FairTax message has a much better chance of being embraced not only among Republicans, but also among Independents - and even some Democrats - thanks to his social activism in areas like preventitive health care, the arts in schools, and the greed that is reflected in CEO salaries 500x that of workers.


by ih2005 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:48:21 PM EST


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