Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa

A new Rasmussen Reports poll (1,007 LVs, Oct. 10 & 14, MOE 3%) of the Iowa Democratic caucus, its first in the state this year, finds Clinton's strong national lead beginning to carry over into Iowa for the first time.

CandidateOctoberRCP 4-poll Ave.
Clinton3328.2
Edwards2221.5
Obama2123.8
Richardson99.3

This is the first poll out of Iowa that divides the top three candidates into two distinct tiers, making it harder to claim Iowa is a three-way tie. Rasmussen does make a point of warning of the continued fluidity of the race, however.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Clinton supporters say they are certain they will vote for her. Fifty-one percent (51%) of Edwards’ supporters say the same about him and 48% of Obama’s voters are that confident. Given the high numbers of voters who say they could change their mind, the race in Iowa remains very fluid.

What would be helpful is to know who the second place choices of respondents are. At The Huffington Post, Donnie Fowler claims confidently that "Obama reportedly has a substantial lead in the 'Who's your second choice?' category" in Iowa but provides no link to evidence of this. Second place choices are especially important in Iowa because of how the caucus works (read Desmoinesdem for more on that.)

For those who might wonder about Rasmussen's methodology, this is the only hint they give outside of the subscription-only firewall:

All polling for caucus events presents challenges in determining who is likely to show up and participate. In conducting and analyzing this survey, Rasmussen Reports reviewed results for many possible levels of turnout. While the results varied modestly depending upon the turnout model, the overall dynamic was the same in all cases—Clinton in the lead with Edwards and Obama close to each other in second. For example, our overall sample shows Clinton with 33% of the vote and an eleven point lead. When only those who were absolutely certain they would vote, Clinton attracts 31% support and leads by eight. See information on screening questions and the sample used in this telephone survey.

It should be noted that this poll was taken before Edwards's big SEIU endorsement announcement on Monday and before Edwards has aired one ad in the state. One has to wonder, now more than ever, what he's waiting for.

Update [2007-10-17 14:13:8 by Todd Beeton]: lori in the comments has the link to Rasmussen's Iowa caucus screen.

Overall, the sample for Democrats represents approximately 15% of Iowa’s voting age population. The tightest screening model we used represents approximately 7% of the voting age population. [...]

For both the Democratic and the Republican samples, the very tightest screening model showed the frontrunner with a modestly smaller lead than in the overall sample.

As part of the overall study, we also asked some people who were screened out of the final sample their preference. When looking at a slightly larger pool of voters, we again saw the same overall dynamic in both the Republican and Democratic campaigns.

The final sample of 1007 Likely Democratic Caucus Participants was 51% female and 49% male. Sixty-eight percent (68%) were over 50 and 8% under 30. Forty-nine percent (49%) say they are politically liberal while 31% describe themselves as moderate. Ten percent (10%) describe themselves as Evangelical Christians. Sixty-six percent (66%) are married and 22% have children living at home.



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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 3)

Edwards has only 1.5 million to spare in IA. That's why he's still holding out. But this is getting very risky since people are starting to make their minds. It's even more difficult to pry voters from other candidates' supporters than from 'undecideds' category.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:40:50 PM EST

all a candidate has to do (none / 0)

is bring up lewinsky or one of the many clinton scandals and that candidate will get a lot of free press.

the candidate just needs to delicately link a clinton scandal to something relevant today and watch the free media follow.

richardson's spent a ton of money on TV commercials and he's going down in iowa  so just spending money on TV isn't a panacea


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:16:26 PM EST
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Re: all a candidate has to do (2.00 / 3)

Well, it certainly has not worked out for you even on mydd, has it, Tarheel?

LOL.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:25:53 PM EST
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Re: all a candidate has to do (2.00 / 1)

Sounds like a job for Elizabeth Edwards and Michelle Obama...the designated hatchet-men for their husbands.


by hwc on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 02:40:31 PM EST
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Re: all a candidate has to do (2.00 / 2)

Monica Lewinsky?  You have got to be kidding me.  I know you are a professed Edwards supporter, but don't go sending Edwards and Obama poison pills like that.    


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 02:50:09 PM EST
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Re: all a candidate has to do (none / 0)

I think that making hay about Monica Lewinsky would be the effective end of the Obama or Edwards candidacies.


by arkansasdemocrat on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:37:06 PM EST
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Nah. Just keep it about politics (none / 0)

Hillary supports

War in Iran
Staying in Iraq Longer
More Cluster Bombs for Palestinian Children.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 04:09:16 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)

2.2 million, there are 4 states one can increase the cap by 50% on, so I assume that would be used in Iowa.


by MassEyesandEars on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:49:13 PM EST
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re (2.00 / 2)

wow.  things are moving fast towards double-digits in Iowa.


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:42:14 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

National trend. Negative attacks will only destroy Obama and Edwards everywhere!


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:47:18 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

Wow!!  Hillary is over the 30 mark in Iowa!!!

Fantastic.  Keep going Hillary!!!!!!


by samueldem on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:49:11 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

This is great! I think that if this stream holds steady, Clinton will win and it will a fight for the # 2 spot. But the #2 fight guarantees that Edwards will not win, since he is betting all or nothing in IA. As for Obama, it seems that he is stalled in this position, much like the DMR poll sometime ago.

GO Hillary!


by American1989 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:58:16 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

Todd:

If you want to know more about the methodology , go to this link . Its all in there .

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/iowa_caucus_screening

You can update your post if you want to.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:05:23 PM EST

As I noted in the other thread (none / 0)

This keeps the following relationship intact:

Hillary's national number is 10 points higher than her New Hampshire number and 20 points higher than her Iowa number.

I also noted that Hillary's lead in Iowa is the smallest for any front runner with a 20+ national lead since 1980.

Examples: Reagan lead in Iowa 50-14 two months out in Iowa (he lost Iowa), Mondale lead 47-27 over glenn in '84, Dole lead by 20 in '96, and Bush lead Forbes in 2000 by 18 (43-25)

I still think this shows underlying weekness in her candidacy, but we shall see.

More detail coming in a diary on Friday.


by fladem on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:10:54 PM EST

Re: As I noted in the other thread (none / 0)

You must also remember that Mondale finished with around/over 40% and Harts strong second was at least 20 points behind.


by danIA on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:24:22 PM EST
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Re: As I noted in the other thread (none / 0)

Well, we will all have to wait with bated breath for this diary on Friday, but.....that Hillary is ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire (with strengthening leads) actually lends credence to the overall stength of her candidacy. The voters of NH and IA have (bless their hearts) endured nearly a year of nonstop politicking and an onslaught of ads. The alternatives to Hillary Clinton are better-known in these two states than anywhere else in the country. And she is ahead there. And she is getting stronger.


by arkansasdemocrat on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:40:48 PM EST
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Re: As I noted in the other thread (none / 0)

You are right.  Edwards has practically lived in the state for years, and Obama is from neighboring Illinois, has spent tons of money, and has by all accounts built a massive organization in the state.  For either of them to be behind by growing numbers (now double-digits) in that one "ripe for the picking" state speaks volumes.  

Most devastating for Obama is the fact that youth voters (18-29 yrs. of age) have now strongly moved towards Clinton (40% to 28%, thank for the info, Lori!)   I am now convinced that Clinton will win the state, Edwards will stay competetive throughout and end up a strong second, with Obama in third.   Without his advantage with the youth vote in Iowa (and Clinton moving strongly ahead of Obama in that age demographic) Obama does not have a "first" claim to any conceivable constituency, after all.  


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:53:12 PM EST
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Re: As I noted in the other thread (none / 0)

I'll wait till Friday for details but Reagan in 1980? First time Republican Iowa straw poll and he pretty much blew it off while Bush bet everything? Not the best example, pollsters had no history to rely on.


by souvarine on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 08:13:57 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)


by fladem on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:11:41 PM EST

Airing Ads waste of money (none / 0)

There is no point to air ads right now. Most caucus goers do not start paying attention until December. I know Iowans that are already bored with Hillary and Obama ads. Dean made a mistake last time by showing ads too early. Hillary and Obama will have to continue to show ads right up until the day of the caucus for it to mean anything. Even then, it is a risk because people will get bored with you and look elsewhere. IF they do not show the ads up until caucus then people will forget about you. Edwards know that most people do not make up their mines until after the Holidays. He will show ads at the right time. Also, organization means more than anything in winning Iowa. Edwards have volunteer co-chairs in all 99 counties that are spreading the word. Neighbor to neighbor connection means more than 3 million dollars in ads. If you are undecided you are going to trust your neighbor rather than some 15 second ad. Also, visiting Iowans means more than some 15 second ad. Edwards has visited all 99 counties giving answers to questions. Clinton has visited half of the counties and not always taking questions. Obama has only visited a third of counties.


by harmony94 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:14:03 PM EST

Re: Airing Ads waste of money (none / 0)

"Edwards has visited all 99 counties giving answers to questions. Clinton has visited half of the counties and not always taking questions. Obama has only visited a third of counties."

Which of these three people doesn't have votes to attend...


by frankies on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:21:03 PM EST
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Re: Airing Ads waste of money (none / 0)

you mean like that vote on Iran the other week that Clinton showed true colors on and Obama ducked?


by jcbarr on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:57:16 PM EST
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (none / 0)

One wonders why you Hate America...


by Pericles on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 08:02:10 PM EST
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Re: Airing Ads waste of money (none / 0)

Not to mention that Dean's ads were really bad.  They seemed designed more to make his campaign manager's ad agency money than to actually persuade Iowans to vote for the candidate.  What was that schmuck's name again?


Senator Al Franken. Have I died and gone to heaven? Not yet. We're still in Purgatory.
by NM Ward Chair on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:27:04 AM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 4)

The final sample of 1007 Likely Democratic Caucus Participants was 51% female and 49% male.

The Rasmussen sample signficantly understates female participation in the caucus which has historically been 58% to 60% of caucus goers.


by hwc on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:19:11 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 2)

I noticed that too.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:21:11 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

Which is even better news for Hillary.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:25:18 PM EST
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What would be interesting... (none / 0)

is whether NH is before or after Iowa.  If you believe the rumors, it's possible that NH will go in December...and that Iowa Dems won't move their caucus date.

Would that lessen Iowa's impact?  New Hampshire?

I just can't believe we actually have no idea when the early primaries/caucuses will be...and they're only a couple of months out.  I have no idea how you're supposed to run a campaign that way.


by rashomon on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 02:30:55 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

  I believe that NH will follow the national trend strongly and show Clinton getting to and/or exceeding 50% in the polls.  IMO, we will also be seeing Iowa move closer to 40% for Clinton, with continually widening gaps between her and the other candidates, in the weeks and couple of months to come.   Edwards is a "favorite son" in Iowa, an almost-incumbent, who virtually had made Iowa his second home.  It explains why he does somewhat better there than any other place.   The fact that he is falling behind further and further in the one state he desperately needs is not really conducive to his chances to win the nomination.

The big problem for Obama is that despite spending almost $4 Million on ads his current support is also relatively soft, with over half of his supporters being open to still change their minds.  That relative lack of solid, committed support is a warning sign, as Obama may see his Iowa support drop further as some of his supporters shop around some more.   Clinton has the most committed, solid support.  Edwards is in a similar, relative "soft" supporter, position when compared to Hillary, according to these numbers.    


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 02:48:33 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

40% of 18-29 year old respondents expressed support for Senator Clinton in the upcoming caucus, compared to 23% for Senator Obama , and 15% for Senator Edwards.

Hillary Leads  among the youths.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:07:53 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

Now, THAT is an internal that should start a crescendo of calls for Alka-Seltzers and Aspirins in Camp Obama (it probably already has.)   And to think, this poll underpolled women (51% women to 49% men were sampled when in Iowa the women share voting is at around 58%) which would have probably resulted in an even better showing amongst Iowa youth due to the strong "young women" movement towards Hillary.  


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:11:54 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

...despite spending almost $4 Million on ads

The problem is that Obama's bio ads showing him in the state legistlature reinforced the perception of inexperience that disqualified him in the minds of voters.

He never successfully grappled with the fundamental flaw in his candidacy. He is perceived as inexperienced because, by any historical standard, he is breathtakingly inexperienced to run for the President of the United States (two autobiographies by age 45 notwithstanding).


by hwc on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:25:20 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (2.00 / 1)

David Yepsen must be borderline apoplectic if he has seen this Iowa poll. He might be having seizures.


by arkansasdemocrat on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:34:12 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)

Hey, the Iowa poll numbers don't exactly match the national or other-early-states leads, so, regardless of how stalled or "taking-big-steps-backward"-ish the other candidates are, any lead that does not match the national 30% margin will be seen as potentially big problems for Clinton and a sign that there is "inherent weakness" with her candidacy.   Good thing that the Yepsens of the world (and others making similar arguments) are looking more and more like they are on the wrong side of the argument with mostly wishful thinking guiding their comments.


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:45:49 PM EST
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I doubt it (none / 0)

He understands the process.

Hillary's lead is still weak for a front runner.  Far larger leads two months out have vanished.

I still think this one will too.  

Here's the thing: no one really knows.


by fladem on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:54:30 PM EST
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Re: I doubt it (none / 0)

The trends are quite obviously moving towards Clinton and away from Obama and Edwards.  Look at "soft" vs. "solid" support, where the youth vote is gravitating to, the internals that matter the most.   Things can still be turning around in Iowa during the last 2 1/2 months, but it is hard to see on what grounds.  Clinton wins in every important internal question, be it electability ("Who is the best candidate to win against the GOPer in Nov. 2008",) Iraq, health care, eduation, economy, etc.    I don't see the hook that would make it possible for Obama or Edwards to overtake Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire, unless perceptions that Clinton would be best for Iraq, health care, and every other measurable important issue can be turned around in a hurry.  


by georgep on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 04:32:49 PM EST
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Re: I doubt it (none / 0)

Two Words: Howard Dean


Senator Al Franken. Have I died and gone to heaven? Not yet. We're still in Purgatory.
by NM Ward Chair on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 01:22:52 AM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)

Donnie Fowler claims confidently that "Obama reportedly has a substantial lead in the 'Who's your second choice?' category"

Bad for Edwards - but still not necessarily good for Obama, considering he might not make the threshold every where in the state - where are his second choice voters going in those cases?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 03:40:47 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)

Iowa is a fair fight. This is what the process was designed to do. Candidates come to a small state and make their case.
I'm glad Hillary is leading. I was afraid shed use her media buddies to deemphasize Iowa if things did not look good for her.
But now that she's ahead, she has to play.
And should she lose she'll pay dearly for that loss.

by joachim on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 04:43:07 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)

Donnie Folwer is a hack, spinning hard for Obama.


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 04:47:31 PM EST

Iowa hard to poll (none / 0)

I do not think we can believe any poll coming out of Iowa. Remember it is a caucus and not a primary. To win, you must have a lot of first or second choice voters. Edwards got second place last time because he was popular among rural voters and Kucinich told his supporters to go with Edwards if he does not have the 15%. I imagined the same scenario will happen again. Edwards was able to win big in central and western Iowa. Kerry did well in surburbs and cities. I think Clinton and Obama will split the votes among cities and surburbs. I also believe Edwards have enough support in the cities and suburbs to be competitive there. Edwards has the rural votes pretty much sewn up. He has visited rural Iowa more than any other candidate. Obama might be able to grab some though. Clinton will not get anywhere with rural Iowans.  Western and central Iowa got hit hard with job loss courtesy of NAFTA. The past always come back to haunt you. My gut tells me Clinton will get 5th or 6th place in rural Iowa.  Also, there is a signigicant population who tend to vote for govenors so expect Richardson to do well. Iowans also love the underdog so a candiate in tier 2 will come close to the top. My pick is either Dodd or Biden. The media and polling has always been hard to predict Iowa.


by harmony94 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 05:33:03 PM EST

Re: Rasmussen: Clinton Way Up In Iowa (none / 0)

Rasmussen...Rasmussen.......Bwaaaaaaaahh hhahhhaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa!


by Pericles on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 08:03:45 PM EST


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