The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't

Yesterday the Edwards Campaign held a conference call to discuss the Iowa SEIU endorsement. Out of curiosity I listened in. I wanted to know what the campaign sounded like, what it felt like, the vibe.

I came away with three clear impressions:

First, the communications director, Chris Kofinis, is good. I'd never heard him before, and I still don't know what he looks like. Along with JRE's campaign director, Paul Blank, he ran the labor-backed Wake Up Wal-Mart campaign. When they came on board in the summer, their opponent in the Wal-Mart wars said, "Wal-Mart's entire defense campaign was essentially a reaction to these two, and when you can hold the attention of the world's largest corporation for two years, you have abilities any campaign would value."

Indeed. On the call David Bonior gave slightly rambling answers that were redeemed by his grizzled authority. Kofinis was strong, clear, and articulate. On message, as they say. When a reporter tried to downplay the signifigance of the Iowa SEIU endorsement, Kofinis pointed out that the Clinton and Obama campaigns fought hard to stop Iowa SEIU from backing Edwards, just as they did at the national level. There's a reason why they didn't want him to get the endorsement.

Second, the campaign's criticism of Hillary could be sharper and more consistent. When a reporter pointed out that Hillary was holding an event with health care professionals to coincide with the conference call, Bonior said that Hillary always followed Edwards, on health care, on tax reform, on any number of issues. He's right, but this line of criticism obscures their most important line of criticism: that she's a corporate, hawkish Dem whose committment to progressives will last only through the primary season, perhaps not even that long. (She's already moved into general election mode.) Is she copying Edwards, or are her policies and positions inferior? It can be both in the real world, but in politics you have to choose one.

Third, they're confident about their chances in Iowa. Of course every campaign tries to project confidence, but to my ear at least, their confidence seemed genuine. They were predictably defensive at times--refusing, for example, to admit that they were dissappointed not to get the backing of SEUI national--but when Iowa director Jennifer O'Malley talked about the caucuses, she was relaxed, almost serene. O'Malley ran JRE's ground game in 2004 (as well as Tim Johnson's, which was credited for his narrow and impressive 2002 victory over John Thune), and her confidence is that of a person who's done this before. His campaign knows it knows how to win.

A less confident, less disciplined campaign would have gone up on TV already. As this graph shows, Edwards has only spent around 20 k on TV, compared to Obama's 3.5 million and Clinton's 1.6 million. Obama's TV hasn't helped him (or it's prevented a slide, perhaps), but Clinton's TV has helped her to wipe away JRE's lead in the polls, and his campaign had to be tempted to answer. But it's wisely holding its fire. If his richer rivals were going to bury him, they already would have. Plus TV generally gives you a boost at the outset, then you fall back; just ask Bill Richardson. Edwards will hold off as long as he can, then go ad for ad with his rivals in the final month, to coincide with the decision-making of the thousands of late-breakers.

The caucuses, in any case, will not be won on TV. As O'Malley kept saying, it will be won on the ground. The only supporters who matter are those who venture out into the January cold and, in a room full of both friends and not-friends, declare their support. Time and again, in Iowa and elsewhere, we've seen superior poll numbers and intensity of support trumped by strength of organization--an unquantifiable variable that should humble all prognosticators. It's perhaps the most fundmental task in politics, getting your supporters to vote, and Team Edwards thinks they'll be better at it than any other campaign--that's where SEIU's political expertise will help.

[One quick note on SEIU: people are overlooking the importance of the SEIU endorsement in Nevada, just as they're overlooking the importance of Nevada itself. With the potential backing of both SEIU Nevada (supplemented by neighoring California's SEUI) and the powerful Culinary Workers Union, Edwards will be strong in Nevada. If he wins Iowa but loses New Hampshire, he'll have a chance to regain momentum there. He's just tripled his staff in the state. Vegas baby, Vegas.]

I can't tell you the keys to getting-out-the-vote in Iowa, because I don't know what they are. Who does? The campaign with the widest and deepest roots in the state, is my guess.

But then organizational strength needs to be combined with a certain level of enthusiasm. Edwards has it. Nothing has been able to deplete his resevoir of support: not the national fixation on his grooming habits, not the millions of TV dollars spent by Obama and Clinton. Edwards has visited almost every county in the state, most several times over. His campaign is premised on his lawyer's belief that if he gets a chance to talk to people, he can persuade them. Just give him ten or twenty minutes, and he'll make the case, seal the deal. That's what happened in 2004, when his late surge almost brought him a victory that would have likely led to the presidency:

Besides the birth of the Dean phenomenon last year, I haven't witnessed anything in this campaign as exciting as the Edwards events I've attended over the last few days. A Dean event is like a Grateful Dean concert, where the faithful show up and groove to their favorite hits. There is a knowing, insiderish connection between the fans and the musician. The applause is boisterous yet perfunctory. There's no expectation of hearing something new. (For all those Dean fans who think this analogy stereotypes Dean supporters as hippies, please direct your complaints to Dean media adviser Steve McMahon, who coined the Grateful Dead comparison in a conversation with me Saturday night.)

Edwards's events here are like watching a roomful of formerly deaf people listen to music for the first time. People walk in as skeptics and leave as believers.

Of course, many, if not most, Iowans know him by now. There won't be the excitement of newness. He's more like a favorite son. He has maintained most of his supporters from 2004, and his campaign believes that in the final weeks of the campaign, those who may have flirted with other candidates will come home, more loyal than ever. And he'll get some new backers as well. Most important, a distinctly high percentage of his supporters will, with the "assistance" of his expert campaign, actually go and vote.

UPDATE: It's been suggested by other bloggers who were on the call that I mistook Chris Kofinis for Chris Chafe, who did more talking, and I think I did. (Great reporting by me.) So...they're both good--how's that? Chafe, former chief of staff for UNITE-HERE, is a senior advisor, responsible for outreach to unions.



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Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (2.00 / 7)

Everyone should read that last piece I linked to, a Lizza piece about the final days of JRE's Iowa campaign.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:06:20 PM EST

Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (2.00 / 2)

Great piece, the nearly million member SEIU endorsements are testament to the dogged fight of the 2008 Edwards campaign.

BTW, I totally agree on Nevada's potential importance.  


by MassEyesandEars on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:55:20 PM EST
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Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (2.00 / 2)

And he won over SEUI members the same way he's won over Iowa voters, by making his case face-to-face.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:12:02 PM EST
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If he comes up with a closing speech as strong as Two Americas, the other campaigns may not know what hit 'em.


by MassEyesandEars on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:47:27 PM EST
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As for Nevada (2.00 / 2)

given the absence of tradition there, the unions could dominate the election. Culinary will annouce December--that could be huge.

Richardson will be looking to make a stand there, but he could be out of it by then.

The only question is if the media powers that be decide to de-evaluate Nevada.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:36:02 PM EST
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Re: As for Nevada (none / 0)

I didn't mean that he would drop out, just that he could be out of contention.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:51:25 PM EST
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Re: As for Nevada (none / 0)

The fortunate thing is that the filing deadline for the New Mexico senate race isn't until February 12th.  I hope that if he loses Nevada he packs up goes back to New Mexico and wins us a new senate seat.  

(I do know he said he isn't going to run, but he is in a presidential race...)


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:05:08 PM EST
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Re: As for Nevada (none / 0)

NIce sarcastic swipe at Richardson, Obama08, but I will remind you that unlike Obama NO ONE is questioning Richardson's credentials or ability to lead, but then it is a little like spending a couple of years working for a company in a cubicle and then thinking you are cut out for the CEO's job.  Nice balls, kid, but go back to your desk, and by the way, did you put a cover sheet on your TPS report?


by liberaltruthsayer on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:48:29 AM EST
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Re: As for Nevada (none / 0)

Who's being sarcastic now?  I'm as big a Richardson supporter as you are, but I also have my ear to the ground.  Nobody I've talked to in the party thinks Gov. Richardson has a ghost of a chance to win the nomination, but we all know that if he ran for Senate he'd win easily.  So the question is does he want to chase a presumably unrealistic dream, or help the party by nailing down a US Senate seat for the next 30 years?

I'd love to see Bill Richardson as President.  I think he is a progressive who would lead from the center, which is what this country needs now.  I imagine that a President who would draw overwhelming support from diverse groups would achieve wonders for our country.  But let's face facts; Big Bill's campaign doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he could transfer money he's raised for his Presidential campaign to any other Federal campaign, in this case the US Senate.  And he could easily raise new money, too.  

Gov. Richardson has to pull of a surprise in IA, NH, or NV in order to have any chance at all in the Super Tuesday states, and a big NM win with its measly 13 committed delegates won't help him because everybody expects it.  Nobody else is really campaigning here, and I saw lots of Hillary supporters at the party's State Fair booth.  

Bill jumping into the Senate race late would change the face of NM politics in a way that nothing else could - two Repugnant Congresscritters (Heather Weasel and Bubba Pierce) gone in a flash, with the most popular NM Democrat ever taking the Senate seat out of play for 30 years.  Who can blame Obama08 and a heckuva lot of NM Democrats from salivating at the prospect?  

If Gov. Richardson doesn't like the idea of being Undersecretary of State or Double Vice-President to Bill Clinton in Hillary's administration, then he has to be ready to switch gears on Feb. 6, 2008 to run for Senate.  MayorMarty@Thief.com can't win, and he is Repugnant in every way except by self-identification anyway.  Moreover, Diane Denish will be a great Governor.  If Gov. Richardson doesn't surprise the world by Feb. 5, he can and should run for US Senate.

Listen, I absolutely love, respect, and admire Bill Richardson.  I've given him money I don't have.  I'll work my ass off for him as long as I can.  But I love our party and its progressive values morethan any candidate, and if his Presidential ambitions fall flat, we sure could use Big Bill in the Senate.


Senator Al Franken. Have I died and gone to heaven?
by NM Ward Chair on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 02:39:56 AM EST
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Re: As for Nevada (none / 0)

Thank you, I indeed did not have any snark in that post.  I just think that the February 12th deadline is fabulous as it could allow Richardson to run for Senate.  The polling looks like that race would be a blowout and we NEED a 60 vote majority in the Senate or the obstructionist Republicans won't let anything pass.


by Obama08 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:35:25 AM EST
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Everything you said was completely undercut by your sarcastic attacks on Obama.  Edwards did not spend that much money on ads in Iowa because he doesnt have it to spend.  And to claim Obama's haven't helped him in Iowa is foolish.


by allmiview on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:17:44 PM EST

No sarcasm (or attackss) necessary (2.00 / 2)

Huh? Do you deny that Obama has spent millions on TV and that he hasn't appreciably risen in the polls?

Edwards has money to spend on ads in Iowa - he just isn't doing so because he'd rather spend it on things that will get him elected.


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by clarkent on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:28:00 PM EST
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Re: No sarcasm (or attackss) necessary (2.00 / 1)

I do deny it.

http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:31:47 PM EST
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Re: No sarcasm (or attackss) necessary (2.00 / 1)

Obama's RCP average has remained flat in Iowa for months.


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by clarkent on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:01:35 PM EST
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Re: No sarcasm (or attackss) necessary (none / 0)

... in the last 2.5 months it has jumped over 6% while Clinton has jumped 3 percent and Edwards has fallen 2%.  That sure does look like staying level.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus -208.html


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:10:16 PM EST
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Re: No sarcasm (or attackss) necessary (2.00 / 1)

Yeah and he had to spend 3.5 m to do so and...

He still trails.

Obama supporters are cultish in their amazing ability to ignore the facts.

Which are:

http://takeaction.wordpress.com/2007/10/ 12/edwards-in-iowavery-interesting/


by Pericles on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:40:10 PM EST
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Re: No sarcasm (or attackss) necessary (none / 0)

6% - no significant gain, that's what he said and it wasn't sarcastic.

geesh!


by greenvtster on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:38:52 PM EST
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I'm glad they have held off. (2.00 / 1)

Almost 4 million for Obama and flat in the Iowa polls.

Edwards will have TV at just the right time.


by TomP on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:31:00 PM EST
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This isn't sarcasm ... and its not ... (2.00 / 2)

... just a partisan observation.

Iowa By The Charts, Ezra Klein

So Edwards, who's spent nothing, has dropped slightly. Hillary's blitz has coincided with a rise in the polls. And Obama, who's spent the most, has stayed basically steady.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:15:54 PM EST
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Re: This isn't sarcasm ... and its not ... (none / 0)

What poll data is that coming from because that doesn't look like the pollster.com or RCP data.


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:05:05 PM EST
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Or the fact that he has is like a native son in the state given his regular visits since 2004.


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:05:48 PM EST
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was holding an event with health care professionals to coincide with the conference call, Bonior said that Hillary always followed Edwards,

Interesting. I did see the press release yesterday with 400 health professionals in IA endorsing the HRC campaign. It was mostly composed of LPNs/RNs.

My takeaway was completely different -- since SEIU-IA is "nurse-heavy," as Ambinder puts it, my interpretation of the event was successful organization of nurses in IA by the HRC camp, irrespective of the union local endorsement. Of course, I have no way of knowing how many on the list are SEIU members, but the message was loud and clear.


by dblhelix on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:21:57 PM EST

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As allmiview said, your suggestion that Obama's media hasn't helped him in Iowa is absurd.  A quick glance and pollster.com's trend graph for Iowa would suggest that he's gotten a huge bump in the months he has been on the air (http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php).

It is also interesting that you talk about the importance of a ground game.  I entirely agree which is why I'm happy that Obama has the most field offices and staff in Iowa.


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:25:24 PM EST

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It is also interesting that you talk about the importance of a ground game.  I entirely agree which is why I'm happy that Obama has the most field offices and staff in Iowa.

Offices and paid staffers do not equal a "ground game."

No one has visited more counties in IA in 2007 than Edwards.  And Edwards has local volunteer campaign chairs in all 99 counties - organizing supporters neighbor to neighbor.

I hope Obama does develop a good ground game.  I think his message will sell well among Democrats.  I'd love to see an Edwards 1st, Obama 2nd result in IA to show the party and the country that the future is with forward-thinking and rejection of politics-as-usual.


Hoosiers for Hill -- Barack Obama
by BWasikIUgrad on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:05:33 PM EST
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I figure those field offices likely are building a volunteer base.  This in addition to having the "Barack Star" high school supporters and the "Student for Barack Obama" college supporters across the state.


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:12:15 PM EST
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I believe from a friend they are starting to push for a strong volunteer game rather than staffers. I agree with the other poster. The criticism of where Obama is rignt now is fair. I also agree that strategically i would like Obama to come in second and Edwards first. This would knock the Clinton as inevitable narrative on its ass. That's the best thing that can happen for all candidates, except maybe Clinton, because it means it opens this up to being a real race.


by bruh21 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:15:57 PM EST
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I agree, except to say that I would prefer the order to be Obama, Edwards, Biden, Hillary or some such.


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:33:24 PM EST
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It wouldn't be any good to have that as the order because even if you support Obama you don't want Edwards out early. The same is true of me as an Edwards supporter. Biden is irrelevant.


by bruh21 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:38:41 PM EST
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As an Obama supporter I recognize that if Hillary comes in 4th she is thoroughly cooked.  If Edwards comes in second it will be a disappointment.  In this case Obama and Biden would get momentum and Obama would win in NH and SC.  This is my dream scenario, though unlikely.


by Obama08 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:07:56 PM EST
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Well if wishes were dollars- we would all be wealthy I am sure, but I was referencing the likelihoods. I think its a good likelihood that we could see an Edward, Clinton obama finish or an Edwards, Obama CLinton finish. Given what I know bout the state- which isn't huge- I think its unlikely we will see Edwards not come in first place. Although for the purposes of political narratives- i certainly hope the press contintue to claim that clinton is surging.


by bruh21 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:03:58 AM EST
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I think you have provided perspective... (2.00 / 2)

that is often lacking in diaries and comments.

As for the future in Iowa, I will be interested to see if Obama will be able to go into attack mode while maintaining the image he created.  Edwards is able to draw differences without coming off as negative.  I read that Obama will go after Clinton's character.  If so, Edwards, by maintaining his method of showing differences, could benefit as the Clinton-Obama rhetoric rises.

Time will tell, but Edwards is not finished by any means, despite what is being said.


by citizen53 on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:30:21 PM EST

Not only 960,000 SEIU (2.00 / 1)

members, but on Sunday, Friends of the Earth Action endorsed Edwards.  This will mean a lot of votes and may be a precursor to a Gore endorsement.

A real blue/green alliance is growing!


by TomP on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 04:33:38 PM EST

Re: Not only 960,000 SEIU (none / 0)

FOE was a HUGE endorsement.....why has the press been so quiet?  All I hear is money, money, money....geesh...I think O and H are raising money to raise more money.  Sad we never hear about their policies.


by catchawave on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:39:17 PM EST
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Being dark on tv in Iowa (none / 0)

this long makes me nervous for Edwards.  The reason he is has to do with the state spending limits in Iowa (which the other candidates are not subject to because they are not taking federal $).

It is impressive that he is still in the hunt after all the tv advertising from the other candidates, but if he waits until the last month his ads will be lost in the clutter of 10 candidates running commercials.  

He is making a mistake by staying off TV for so long.

The other thing that worries me is that he might be listening to Joe Trippi - who didn't know jack about Iowa in 2004.  I have a friend who would know who tells me he is not running things.

Edwards is so impressive in person - much better on the stumpt\ now I think than even 4 years ago - though I would try to recapture some of the positive in  his message.

As I have said before, the only polls that matter are in Iowa, and he is in the hunt.


by fladem on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:02:49 PM EST

That is not why he (none / 0)

has been "dark" on TV.

It is a waste of money now.  He has been through this before.  People have gotten bored with Clinton/Obama commercials.  


by TomP on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:08:53 PM EST
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I don't believe that (none / 0)

but if that is the reason, I think its wrong.

I DO think he the sign of Hillary and Obama going after each other is a good sign for him, as was it was when gephart and Dean tore after each other in Iowa.


by fladem on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:14:26 PM EST
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Not only does the money spent on advertising now have less bang for the buck than money spent on advertising in the last month, but also money spent on advertising now provides a target for the attack advertising of other campaigns to aim at ... so largely staying off the air encourages the campaigns of Senators Obama and Clinton to focus their minds on the task of undermining each other's media messaging.


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by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:21:20 PM EST
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Sorry (none / 0)

I don't understand that strategy.

It actually would encourage the reverse - you could go after someone and they would not be able to respond.


by fladem on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:21:47 PM EST
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Re: Being dark on tv in Iowa (2.00 / 2)

I don't think he'll wait till the last month; that was just me spouting. He'll probably go up at the end of November, I'd say.

It's a risk--one that few campaigns have been willing to take--and I take it as a sign of confidence.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:10:30 PM EST
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It's sound strategy (2.00 / 1)

One of my political mentors, Neil Oxman, won the Phila mayor's race (and countless others) with the same theory: don't go on tv until you can stay on, at saturation level, until election day.  Don't give your opponents a chance to hit you with something to which you can't respond.

He's got $26M left to spend.  I'm sure he has a plan.


by Adam B on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:21:16 PM EST
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Re: It's sound strategy (2.00 / 2)

You go on TV the two weeks before Thanksgiving and then you stay up until the weekend before the caucus.  

You change ads after Thanksgiving, before Christmas, and before New Years and then a final pre-caucus one.  It's just that easy.

The only trick is having good ads.

If you saw the "Hair" video, you know JRE's got some sweet ads coming in soon.


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:31:47 PM EST
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Yeah (2.00 / 1)

I'm hoping for unconventional ads, and with Trippi, there's reason to hope.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:44:46 PM EST
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That will not work in Iowa (none / 0)

There are ten candidates with million dollar budgets.   You cannot wait until the end, you will get lost in the clutter.

The Iowa Caucuses are fundementally different than any other election because of the number of candidates running, their budget, and the small markets where you buy advertising.


by fladem on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:19:33 PM EST
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Here is the problem (none / 0)

the state spending limit is 1.5 million.  He can't more than that in Iowa.


by fladem on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:20:28 PM EST
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Re: Here is the problem (none / 0)

My understanding was that there were plenty of ways to get around that, in terms of using out-of-state markets like Quad Cities, IL, and that the real issue was the overall cap, not the state-specific ones.


by Adam B on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:07:41 AM EST
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Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (2.00 / 1)

Man, I hate the Grateful Dead.


by MNPundit on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 05:12:14 PM EST

Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (2.00 / 2)

3 points to add to this excellent diary

1. Its not only TV but the even more expensive medium of mail where Clinton and Obama have been spending a lot in Iowa, while Edwards has been holding his fire. The advantage he has right now is that he is delivering his message much more cost effectively. The evidence of his strength is that McAuliffe himself said today he thinks Clinton is running 2nd, not first, in Iowa right now.

2. NV is indeed wide open, not only because he is the leading candidate among SEIU and Culinary membership.

3. Its important to keep in mind that the state party rules in NV allot more delegates, per registered Dem, to rural counties than to Clark. Edwards made several very well-received appearances in northern NV in 04, and his message is much better suited to "red county" Dems. Rural democratic activists in NV are still mad that Kerry made no effort in rural counties in 04 and lost the state narrowly; they don't want to make the same mistake with Clinton.

4. NV's electorate is not only new to caucusing but to competitive primaries. Generally speaking, primaries are won by the candidate with greater name recognition which is why Clinton appears to be so far ahead at this point.

When those who will actually participate start paying attention, that changes. In the 06 Governor's race, the better-financed, more centrist candidate went on tv early to build his name ID, he took a 12 point lead less than 2 months before the primary and thought he had it won. But a more progressive message and strong grass-roots, environmental and labor organization made the difference in a lower-than-expected turnout primary, and the more progressive, populist candidate won by 20 points.


by desmoulins on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:14:54 PM EST

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Nevada is interesting.  Edwards basically gave up on the state a couple of months ago.  As I'm sure you know better than I, you can't instantly ramp up a grassroots operation for a caucus states.  If Edwards now wants to compete in Nevada, it made no sense for him to pull out staff earlier this year.


Bill Richardson: "Get out now. Get all our troops out now. It is the only right and responsible choice."
by Stephen Cassidy on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:33:52 PM EST
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didya read the post? (2.00 / 1)

Edwards is tripling his staff there.

Before, he just moved a few people from Nevada to Iowa.


by david mizner on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 06:43:52 PM EST
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Interesting you should say that. I've heard that line repeatedly from Richardson staff people here. It doesn't reflect well on the candidate. I've even heard high-level Richardson people embarrass themselves by saying publicly "I've heard Edwards is pulling out of the state" to union activists who had just come from hearing Edwards or a surrogate explain his plans for winning the state.

Edwards never "gave up on the state". He had actually hired ahead of his schedule during the Spring, so he moved a grand total of 4 staffers to Iowa in the summer, rather than do what other campaigns did -- delay hiring until the fall.

As was posted upthread, the Edwards campaign organizing model, her as in Iowa, is based on local activists rather than importing paid organizers -- as for instanced, Richardson did. He had at least a half dozen college students doing his canvassing over the summer; they're back at school in NM now.


by desmoulins on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:05:03 PM EST
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"Better the world think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Importing paid organizers?  Richardson has 46 staffers on board, and 43 of them are from the West.  The FEC reports reflect that Richardson didn't import any staffers.

It was easy for Edwards to shift staffers to Iowa, they didn't have any roots in Nevada.  Richardson staffers are local.

As for hiring ahead of schedule - that's a nice spin for failing to properly allocate resources.  Do we want a President who has to make strategic decision on military campaigns involving the lives of others, when he can't even properly map and time his own campaign?

Not me, I want a bold, decisive leader.


by VeniceDave on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 01:52:24 PM EST
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Is rural Nevada similar to rural Iowa ... (2.00 / 2)

... with local radio being an inexpensive and effective means of targeting the rural audience?


The words of the prophets are written on the subway halls
   and tenement halls
by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:23:17 PM EST
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Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (none / 0)

I am realistic.

My take.

Accepting public financing has hurt Edwards.  He took it because he had to.  Clinton/Obama maligned and questioned his viability to SEIU.  This is the reason he did not get the endorsement.  They believed he did not have enough money to fight.  And SEIU took the whimp route and did not give him the national endorsement.  One that would have put life into his campaign, and much need GOTV, etc.  Yes, SEIU National, did him wrong.

Yes.  Money.  I hate it but I am realistic.  You need it to win primaires.

There is a frontpage on dkos from kos about SEIU.  And what rings a bell for me is what a poster wrote from California.

Here

It sums it up.  Edwards can win IA, but the battle is everything else.

I would have more confidence if we did not have 18-20 primaries on February 5th.  Does he have working offices, hired staff, etc. in any of these states?  And of the four, his main presence is Iowa.

This is risky.  Many may not want HRC, but many are not willing to risk an underfunded candidate, either.  

Obama was smart to put ads up and his organization on the ground is one to be admired, and this is FROM THE GROUND.  

We all want a candidate to win.  But we also want one who will have the funds to fight it out, till the end.

JMHO


by iamready on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:21:24 PM EST

Re: The Edwards Campaign Knows Stuff We Don't (none / 0)


Just give him ten or twenty minutes, and he'll make the case, seal the deal.

That's right!


by NCDemAmy on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 12:02:48 AM EST

interested in evidence against Hillary (none / 0)

What's your evidence for Hillary being a corporate Dem (and Edwards not)?

I remember reading a comparison of how they voted in the Senate, and each time the two differed, it was Hillary who leaned left and Edwards who leaned right.  That impressed me.  It seemed to say more about where she stood.

I realize that her campaign is utilizing corporate "sponsors" and that her husband was certainly "all about the economy, stupid."  But Hillary is not Bill, and I have to say that rhetoric in a campaign strikes me as less important than what people have actually done when it came down to it in the past.  And on that, Hillary wins.


by catherineD on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 02:06:47 AM EST


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