VA-Sen, VA-Pres: Behold The Bluing of Virginia

The results of a new Washington Post poll (1,144 adults, incl. 993 RVs, Oct. 4-8, MOE 3%) out of Virginia provides the best evidence yet that this traditionally red state is shifting blue.

In the race for senate, while the Rasmussen Poll from a month ago showed Mark Warner with a lead against his most likely Republican rivals, former governor Jim Gilmore and Congressman Tom Davis, of 20% or higher, WaPo actually finds Warner is ahead by 30% or above.

Warner leads Gilmore 61 percent to 31 percent, a 2 to 1 margin replicated in nearly every region of the state. Warner leads Davis 63 percent to 28 percent.

In touting his own potential to beat Warner, Davis likes to say he has plenty of room to grow as only part of the state, his own district in northern Virginia, really knows him. But remarkably, even among his own constituents, Davis doesn't fare much better against Warner.

In vote-rich Fairfax County, where Davis argues that he would have more appeal than some recent statewide GOP candidates, Warner is up by 24 percentage points over the congressman (57 percent to 33 percent).

Warner's appeal against these potential Republican rivals is explained by his 67% favorability rating, which is remarkably consistent across party lines.

More than 7 in 10 Democrats have a favorable impression of the former governor, as do 69 percent of independents and 61 percent of the state's Republicans.

The senate race should become a bit clearer on Friday when the 84-member Republican State Central Committee decides whether to hold a convention or primary in June, 2008 to determine who the Republican senate nominee will be. The WaPo article suggests that Davis would benefit from a primary (versus a convention where several thousand GOP activists meet to decide the nominee) and in fact the impending decision by the committee may actually be the determining factor in whether Davis ultimately gets in the race.

Perhaps the most interesting result to come out of the WaPo poll, though, is this throw away line from the third paragraph, which goes unaccompanied by an actual numerical result (I assume it will be forthcoming tomorrow with the official release of the poll):

The Senate race will unfold against the backdrop of next year's presidential campaign, and the poll suggests that the state's 13 electoral votes could be up for grabs. By a margin of 11 percentage points, Virginians would prefer that the next president be a Democrat, indicating that even a reliably red state could flip in 2008.

Bush won the state by 8% in 2004.



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Re: VA-Sen, VA-Pres: Behold The Bluing of Virginia (none / 0)

Yeah Virgina is going blue this time around.

If anyone is interested in hearing Hillary Rodham Clinton on New Hampshire Radio , here is a link the 52 mins interview , i think she took callers. Pretty interesting stuff.

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858


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by lori on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 12:43:42 AM EST

Re: VA-Sen, VA-Pres: Behold The Bluing of Virginia (none / 0)

Polls this early in Virginia DONT matter, George Allen had a 20 point lead on Webb and he ended up losing the election.


by allmiview on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 06:40:45 AM EST
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Say What? (none / 0)

Bush won the state by 8% in 2004.

Better to just say "bush won the state by 8% of the votes that were counted."

Small detail: Northern Virginia is probably the bluest part of the South. And Southern part has been typically Southern (very red so far).


by blues on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 12:55:10 AM EST

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Northern Virginia really is no longer part of the South but part of the Northeast.  Combine this area with the Richmond to Norfolk area (starting to become one large glob itself) and you have the Democratic base.  The rest of the state is Republican.

Of course, Northern Virginia is growing both in population and physically as the people flow out around the interstates (or seep out during rush, or more accurately crawl, hours).

In 1976, Jimmy Carter carried every southern state except Virginia.  Amazing how things change.
West Virginia, founded as the Unionist counties of Virginia seceded during the civil war was solidly Republican until FDR and the last part of the south to become Democratic.  Ironically, it was the last to become republican not hitting until the election of 2000.  Virginia seems to be following the pattern: the first Republican state becomes the first Democratic state.  I guess we've survived the 50 year Republican stretch in the south.  


by David Kowalski on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 08:56:30 AM EST
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Agreed that Northern Virginia is no longer part of the South. We need to ban the confederate flag and rename schools and streets named after traitors who tried to divided the country.


by Boilermaker on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:08:58 AM EST
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Re: Say What? (none / 0)

I meant we need to rename the streets and schools named after traitors who tried to destroy this country.


by Boilermaker on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:09:46 AM EST
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West Virginia has not become Republican. Other than one Congressional Representative who may well lose in 2008, the state is wall to wall Democrats.

On the other hand, I guess not going Republican at all sorta counts as being the last.  But my hope is that it never will.


by admiralnaismith on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:47:17 AM EST
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VA-Pres: Behold The Bluing of Virginia (none / 0)

The Democratic Primary race in VA according to this poll is:

Clinton 50%
Obama 25%
Edwards 11%


by hwc on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:16:57 AM EST

VA-11 (none / 0)

I really hope Davis runs for Senate, as this seat is likely to go D without him running.


by PeakVT on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:18:40 AM EST

Re: Right Dem replicated in South, Red (2.00 / 1)

The remarkable success of Moderare Democrats like Mark Warner &  Jim Webb in red state VA, Sen. Clair McCaskill in red state MO, Gov. Ritter & Sen. John Salazar in red CO,  Gov Sebelius in red KS, Gov. Beebe, Sen. Pryor & Sen. Lincoln in red AR, Gov. Easley in red NC, Gov. Brandesen in red TN, Gov. Freudental in very red Wyoming, Gov. Strickland of red Ohio, Gov. Napolitano of red Arizona, Sen. Ben Nelson of very red Nebraska, Sen. Evan Bayh of very red Indiana, Gov. Brad Henry of Oklahoma and many other statewide elected red state democrats show how successful Democrats can be with having the " Right Democratic statewide candidate" that fits into the values, culture & language, views  of their specific state electorate.

Often times, this is the hardest part for some of our fellow democratic activists to accept & understand. Particularly, the so called " left, progressive,liberal" wing of the party.

Of course, there are also many within the left base of the party who understand this clearly.

But sometimes, it is the loudest critics within the party who cannot seem to comprehend or simply ignore this critical element.

A Barbara Boxer type of liberal democrat will NEVER carry Kansas, Arkansas or Missouri.

A Ted Kennedy liberal type of Democrat will NEVER carry a Nebraska, Colorado, Virginia

The proof of success among the " Right Democratic candidate" is everywhere. All these men & women, elected to Statewide office in rough red terrain across the nation.

If we as a party intend & want to keep ( & increase) the majority especially in the Senate, Governorship, the Presidency, & the House- we NEED to keep Winning & Holding on to these so called " Red", Purple, Swing states.

The continued & long term success of a dominant  Democratic political party will always depend on the mutual respect & alliance of liberal blue democrats & moderate red democrats.

P.S. When Moderate/conservative Democrats like Fredeuntal of Wyoming, Bayh of Indiana, Nelson of Nebraska, Pryor & Lincoln of AR, Easely of NC, Brandesen of TN, Henry of Oklahoma, Sebelius of Kansas, Salazar of Colorado, Napolitano of AZ, enjoy 70%+ Approval Rating among registered Democratic voters in their respective states that should say it all.

Stop dictating & imposing one's belief on Democrats living in Red states who happen to be more moderate. They have as much right as any Blue state liberal democrats.


by labanman on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 04:35:17 AM EST

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And a Sherrod Brown liberal type of Democrat will NEVER carry red Ohio against an incumbent Mike DeWine moderate type Republican. Oh, except that Sherrod Brown DID beat Mike DeWine by an overwhelming 56% to 44% in 2006, thus providing some pretty good evidence that your thesis is wrong, or at least over-stated.


by RandomNonviolence on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 05:15:22 AM EST
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Re: Right Dem replicated in South, Red (none / 0)

I agree with having a big tent, but don't particularly like some of your implied criticism of "liberals."  The vast majority of progressives on this site have no problem supporting moderate Democrats from more conservative states.  What I think almost every progressive hates is when those same Democrats, and perhaps folks like you, decide to show off their "moderate" credentials by bashing the party and the "liberal north easterners."  Well, that and when folks try to define moderate as splitting the difference.  

So what's my point?  No one has a problem with Tester or McCaskill, even if they are "moderate" in some sense, b/c they're not attacking the Democratic brand and you get the sense that they're not "splitting the difference," they're actually just more conservative on some issues.  AND quite liberal on others -- like Tester and the Patriot Act.  Salazar in Coloradao (I think you meant Senator Ken rather than his Congressman brother John), in contrast, strikes me as more of a "split the difference" kind of guy.  Accordingly, I'm much less excited to support him -- but it really has nothing to do with how objectively "conservative" he is.  I just actually like politicians who, for whatever reason, are proud to be Democrats -- what can i say.


by HSTruman on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 09:30:32 AM EST
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Depends on what you mean by a "Barbara Boxer type" of liberal.  

Seems to me, Montana Governor Schweitzer's political agenda is not too far from Boxer's. It's his STYLE that is different and appeals to Big Sky voters the way Boxer never would.

Some of the most liberal politicians ever have been sent to DC from heartland "red" or swing states: George McGovern, Quentin Burdick, Howard Metzenbaum, Tom Harkin.  It can be done...if the candidate is in touch with the voters.


by admiralnaismith on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:53:57 AM EST
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The issue is not ideology but constituency service (none / 0)

The reason why Tom Harkin,Paul Wellstone,or Russ Feingold keep winning elections in bellwhether states is because they have a record of helping the little guy.

Harkin has been a strong advocate for farmers,veterans,and the disabled- He authorized the American Disability Act.

Wellstone- voted against the Welfare Reform Bill- which will hurt poor children.

Feingold is an advocate of clean government.

Regarding Sherrod Brown of Ohio- The biggest issue in Ohio is economic fairness and job security. Brown as a member of Congress opposed Free Trade Deals.

Another Progressive Democrat from a red state is Dale Bumpers of Arkansas-


by nkpolitics on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:24:26 AM EST
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Re: Right Dem replicated in South, Red (none / 0)

(I'm sorry if I'm breaking the rules by being discourteous to another poster.) Labanman is a Lieberman lover. About all the national support workers Lamont had working for his campaign Lman said (as near as I can remember), "You brought in all these OUT-OF-STATE people! They had no business here! OUTSIDE AGITATORS! Next time STAY OUT! (caps his) He sounded for all the world like a member of the White Citizens' Council talking about the civil rights marchers. It confirmed my opinion of Lieberman and his followers.


by Baltimore on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:34:49 AM EST
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While the bloggers were sleeping (none / 0)

Al Gore WON the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

Congrats AL!


by nuQler ostrich on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 08:07:54 AM EST

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In this very poll, 30% said they would definitely vote for Hillary and 25% would consider voting for her (55% combined); 16% said they would definitely vote for Edwards and 37% would consider voting for him (53% combined) ....

but you keep on deluding yourself ...

(btw, Hillary currently beats Edwards 49-11 in Virginia)...


by silver spring on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 09:51:51 AM EST

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He will win by 5 to 10 points even if Hillary looses Virginia.


by Boilermaker on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:39:33 AM EST


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