Hillary's five main constituencies

Disclaimer: This is part of the weekly candidate supporter diary series

To win elections one has to craft a coalition of constituencies, which, taken together, make up the victorious margin.   For the Democratic nomination we can identify six major constituencies Clinton has been able to bring to her side, to entrust her with their support.   Some of those constituencies overlap in certain ways, and where I diaried about them individually in the past I will provide links to previous diaries for a more in-depth look at the issues involved that make Clinton the right fit for these constituencies.  

These five groups make up the main reason Clinton is ahead in the race for the nomination.

1. The Middle Class

Middle Class voters feel disenfranchised and basically left out of any prudent government planning.  The Bush tax cuts generally favored the wealthy, and there has been no effort made to loosen in the ever-increasing screw that has been put on those of us who reside in the Middle Class.  We have seen health care costs grow out of control, which hits the Middle Class the hardest.  At the same time gas prices have gone way up, home values have gone down, there is a lot of uncertainty in the job market.  

Hillary Clinton has a major advantage with voters who classify themselves as Middle Class voters (generally speaking economically those making between $40,000 and $75,000 per year.)  According to an aggregate of the last 4 Gallup polls, Clinton holds a 2 to 1 advantage over her opponents amongst Middle Class voters. Proposals specifically aimed at the Middle Class voter is the expansion of the S-CHIP bill, Clinton's universal health care proposal, College affordability proposals, supports minimum wage increases, etc.

For a more in-depth look at how Clinton relates to the Middle Class (and her history and proposals specific to this group) go to my previous diary here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/18/0161 4/2029

View Clinton's signature advertisement "Invisible" which speaks to the Middle Class:

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2.  Older voters

People 55 and older make up the largest voting block in primaries and caucuses.  They always show up, rain or shine, which makes them the most important group.

source: http://www.seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Politi cs/4-10-28SeniorVote.htm

 Yet, despite the all-importance older voters have in the election process, it seems that they are often overlooked for some of the sexier groups.  Hillary Clinton has been fighting for many years for our older citizens, and as a result older voters are Clinton's strongest age constituency.  They simply trust her on the issues important to them, which is why Clinton typically ends up with support numbers in the high 50s. low-50s from this segment of the population.  Clinton scores with this particular age group because she is seen as right on most of the issues for this age demogroup, whether it is about social security issues, issues concerning health care issues for the elderly, Alzheimers' research, Kinship Caregiver issues, etc.

View my previous diary labelled "Clinton and seniors" here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/11/3344 /25471

Also, view Clinton's speech at the ARA (Alliance for Retired Americans) conference:

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_cast /health2008hc.cfm?hc=2338

Related, another diary about Clinton's appearance at the yearly AARP conference in Boston a month ago.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/8/11574 3/9915

Video of Clinton's speech at the annual AARP conference:

http://www.boston.com/partners/worldnow/ necn.html?catID=80780&clipid=1732647 &autoStart=true&mute=false&c ontinuous=true

Clinton has been courting seniors strongly, and she has the background, gravitas and heart to convince them that she is going to fight for them all the way.

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3. Women

Women are Hillary Clinton's main gender constituency.  She draws about even with Obama amongst men, but women give Clinton very strong support.  Just like with the two constituencies discussed above, polls show that women give Clinton the nod to the tune of 2 to 1.    Women make up 54% of the voting population, so the first female frontrunner from either party would naturally bring a lot of excitement with it.   Of course, Clinton has been a champion for women rights all her life, from reproductive rights to equal pay to legislation dealing with domestic abuse issues, etc. Clinton has a solid record dealing with women issues that is not matched by her competition.

Clinton has been very agressively courting women who have never voted before, and there are indications that she will be able to bring a lot of new women voters to the polls.

For an indepth look at the issue of women voters, read hwc's excellent diary labelled "20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It" here:

http://hwc.mydd.com/story/2007/8/27/0359 /99654

If Clinton continues to be as popular with Democratic women as she has been to date, she will win the nomination easily.  

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4. Union members

Clinton's appeal amongst union voters can be observed in the Gallup poll from Sept. 12, 2007.  

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28 738

Amongst respondents who are actually members of a union, Clinton does equally well as she does in the general population, actually when it comes to her advantage over the other two-top tier candidates it grows even further when just the subgroup "union members" was polled.   Her lead over her nearest competitor, Obama, in the union-member subgroup was 45 to 19% for Obama and 17% for Edwards.  In other words, amongst rank-and-file union members Clinton enjoys a 3 to 1 advantage over her nearest competitor.   Union members are not very numerous, but they are organized and generally bring a tremendous GOTV operation with them, which should bode well for Clinton.  

This was discussed in a bit more depth in this recent diary:

http://hwc.mydd.com/story/2007/9/21/1315 6/1471

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5. Hispanic voters

Clinton is finding a very friendly audience in the Hispanic community.  She gets trememdous support particularly in the Hispanic community.  This is a very important constituency, as it is the fastest-growing segment of the population and Hispanic voters are critical in important states we are trying to turn blue, such as Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, etc.  They also form a very important constituency in many urban areas around the country.   George Bush received 40% of the Hispanic vote, but at this point they are trending heavily Democratic, with Hispanic support for Democrats now showing at 3 to 1 over Republicans.

Gallup tested the Hispanic vote in particular and found that Clinton has a major advantage over her rivals for the nomination when it comes to support from the Hispanic community, garnering 59% of the Hispanic vote that claims to intend to vote for a Democrat in primaries/caucuses.  

Here the article:

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/new s/20070628/1a_cover28.art.htm

Here Clinton's very recent interview (published today) discussing Latino issues with the popular blog "Hispanic Trending":

http://juantornoe.blogs.com/hispanictren ding/2007/10/qa-on-hispanics.html

A more indepth look at the Hispanic demographic in a previous diary here:

http://georgep.mydd.com/story/2007/6/28/ 104715/947

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CONCLUSION

Clinton does very well in many other core groups and constituencies, such as young voters (18 to 29), African-American voters, Gays and Lesbians, but the five groups shown above give Clinton a level of support that absolutely dwarfs her competition, which therefore makes up her real advantage over her competitors.   I believe, given the strong, solid support Clinton gets across the board from these five groups, and the level of involvement Clinton has had over the years in the issues important to the members of those groups, it will be very hard for another candidate to make inroads into these groups.

 Elections are won by putting together strong core constituency groups, and Clinton has not just a couple but five of those.  If she wins the Democratic nomination, her support with these five monster groups will be the obvious reason.



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georgep (none / 0)

Thank you for this incredible diary.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:19:01 PM EST

Re: georgep (none / 0)

Thank you for this incredibly l o n g diary.


by JoeCoaster on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:21:23 AM EST
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This post highlights exactly what is wrong with Democratic politics: identity politics with laundry list solutions.  Boring and wrong.


by Reece on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:24:24 PM EST

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Hey, that's how the game is played. Stop whining and bow before her highness.


by NewNoir on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:36:35 PM EST
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I guess what makes politics more interesting to you is to have a unknown politician with little experience.

Well, no thanks. I'll take the laundry list solutions that we desperately need.


by PhillyGuy on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:39:05 PM EST
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You got that right.  For 6-1/2 years Americans have been ignored and if there is a laundry list its because so many things have been left undone. While candidates like Obama carry on about stopping people who have the wrong kind of experience and Thompson says Iraq must have had WMD sometime, Hillary gets down to the nitty gritty.  Thank God we have a candidate who wants to do something about issues which are important to the American People.  


by changehorses08 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:39:33 AM EST
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Any campaign, and any serious campaign analyst, is going to be aware of a candidates standing among various demographics.  Only the foolish and the inexperienced or ignorant can afford not to do so.

There is a big difference between looking at any candidate's--including Hillary's--strengths among various constituencies and something like the "Honk if Mondale Promised You Something" brand of quid pro constituency politics.

Personally, I think Hillary's strength among single women and Hispanics will allow the Democrats to run it right up the Republican gut (hey, it's college football season).


by InigoMontoya on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:17:16 AM EST
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So, we need someone who basically ignores some of these constituencies and who they are not all that interested in?  Now, THAT would be boring apparatchik-politics.


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:03:28 AM EST
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Congrats (none / 0)

on such a good diary. Hillary clears the board among almost all constituencies. I do think you underestimate HRC's GLBTQ support. Have you seen the Advocate article? The writer very early on in the interview states:
Yet I find myself believing everything she says, my natural skepticism put on hold. I'm enamored with her. She just has that effect.

by domma on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:28:59 PM EST

Re: Congrats (none / 0)

her support among us gays is very high.

In fact, there are recurrent "Hillary Happy Hours" in different gay bars across the city which get at least 100 people in attendance once a month for the last 4 months (next one is tomorrow night).

But i think this is one constituency with support (in gender) flipped. I think gay men support HRC 2-1 over lesbians who might split evenly. Just my hunch though.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:52:44 PM EST
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I know support amongst gays is high, but I am not 100% sure Clinton's support amongst that group is as strong as the other groups mentioned here, as, in a way "irreplacable."  With that I mean that with these 5 groups I see little chance of a competitor making significant inroads from now until the end of Dec./beginning of January.  I was torn on that one, and I included it in the conclusion as another important group for her.  No doubt do I see her advantage there, I am just not sure if it is as distinct as with some of these other groups.


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:13:15 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (none / 0)

i guess thats about right --

I cannot give an accurate reading because:

  1. I am in NY (which has higher support for HRC)
  2. I've not heard of any of the other campaigns doing events targeting LGBTQ groups - But thats probably because i havent looked around.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 10:50:07 AM EST
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great diary ! .. very informative.


by silver spring on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:33:30 PM EST

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This diary says nothing about the merits of Clintons candidacy.


by NewNoir on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:35:45 PM EST

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I think people are making the case for HRC's candidacy.  No matter how much money Obama's contributors donate he hasn't been able to make his case to the American people. Goes to show some people have more dollars than sense.


by changehorses08 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:43:59 AM EST
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I disagree.  The diary aims at discussing the conglomerate of constituencies Clinton has built, which is the reason she is ahead of the other candidates.  It is easy and, frankly, somewhat bizarre, for detractors to dismiss her strong leads in the polls without realizing how that lead is built in the first place.  I provide links to previous diaries that discuss each of these groups in depth and provide reasoning about what exactly makes up the connection and relationship between the various groups and Clinton.


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:18:23 AM EST
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But (none / 0)

that is not the theme of this diary.   Please try to pay attention.

The title is "Hillary's five constituancies".  The author is telling us who supports Hillary.  Thus, the author did not intend to tell us about Hillary's positions.  that the author failed to do something that the author did not intend to do is a triumph of  post construction.

English composition is an important subject that everyone should study.


by dataguy on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:01:40 AM EST
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Re: But (none / 0)

Preposterous.  Have you read any of my other diaries?   In this diary I provide links to them for an indepth look at the history and positions taken for each of the constituencies.  Please follow the links.  


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:05:57 PM EST
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So, if you don't fall into one of this constituencies you're voice doesn't matter and this party doesn't belong to you.


by NewNoir on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:37:57 PM EST

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We all fall into one or the other category (sometimes even multiples.)   Clinton has a strong connection and advantage with virtually any Democratic constituency you could possibly name, save perhaps the rabid right-wing crowd.   Therefore your point lacks merit.


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:21:00 AM EST
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Young, black, make over 6 figures....I don't fit. But no prob...


by NewNoir on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 07:52:18 AM EST
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Yes, you fit.  Young?  Clinton has an advantage in the 18-29 constituency.  Black?  Come on.  Clinton is particularly strong with Blacks.  Now, the income level is another matter.  Here Clinton and Obama are exactly even at 47% each in the "Democrats making over $75,000" group (the only group Obama does not trail Clinton with, but draws even.)    


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:13:09 PM EST
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Sure, if you slice me into to three peices. If you agreggate the three, however, I'm not in Clinton's demographic. That's ok though...looking at how I killed with taxes, with 150K student loan debt, maybe I should be voting repub!!

But alas, my conscience won't let me go where my wallets seeks to lead me. Of course, most dems are voting with their wallets. Thank god for folks like me who put aside our narrow economic interests for the greater good.


by NewNoir on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:05:38 PM EST
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georgep,
This is really well done.  We often hear the comment (from non-supporters) that they don't know a single person who supports Hillary, thus they have no idea how or why she is leads in the polls.  This posts gives a good background on the parts or entities that make the whole of Hillary's support.  I would however say that African Americans are also a main part of her constituency.  Given that the she is relatively even with Obama with the AA voters, and while only 42%(per your link above) of Hispanics call themselves Democrats, I'd say at least 90% of AA consider themselves Dems and vote accordingly.

by Kingstongirl on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:54:32 PM EST

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I agree that AAs are a main part of Clinton's constituency, and if Clinton is nominated she will most likely get record turnout from this already very strong Democratic constituency.  


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:23:05 AM EST
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The Art of Politics (none / 0)

Politics is building coalitions. A true political mastermind can build a overarching coalition that bridges as many factions as possible, while alienating as few as possible. Hillary does that for the Democrats, as there is no specific group save perhaps the Netroots that are truly anti-Hillary, and she draws plurality or close to plurality support among almost every other faction. Her political operation is impressive, and unless Obama can crack the African American vote and drastically increase support among the elderly or increase youth voter turn out, Hillary is in a very very solid position. If Edwards can cut into the Rank-and-File union members as well as white men he could also breakthrough. If Richardson attracts the Hispanic vote, and makes significant gains in the activist anti-war groups, he could be poised for major gains. I don't see a path for Biden, Dodd (no matter how much we all love him), Gravel (duh), or Ultra-K.


reality has a well known liberal bias-Stephen Colbert
by pierredude on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:19:28 PM EST

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Can we see examples of what difference she has made in the lives of these constituencies? I see a lot of talk about her accomplishments. ALl this has shown is she has high name recognition and the other DEmocrats are yet to make their case convincingly enough. But what does it say about her suitability as President of the US?

Education. a lot of talk. I have yet to see a real life results oriented example of her work.

Why are we getting so many rah rah diaries on the front page? I dont mind diaries like GeorgeP's education diary on Hillary. But this one does not have a disclaimer that he is a Hillary supporter. If we are going to say a candidate deserves to be President because he or she has the highest poll numbers across different demos, then why even have elecitons. Let's just anoint people who lead in the polls a year ahead of the elections.
This kind of discussion is fine in short doses. But it seems like a big part of pro Hillary diaries.

I have no problem with the content of this diary if it was not a front page diary.


by Pravin on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:27:04 PM EST

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i think you are missing the point about the front-page candidate supporter diaries --


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:55:22 PM EST
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Great Diary--its very clear why Hillary has the support of all these different groups.  They see her as someone who will listen.


by changehorses08 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:49:09 AM EST
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I am, frankly, surprised at this comment from you, Pravin.  If you don't like candidate supporter diaries on the frontpage, take it up with Jerome, who came up with the idea in the first place.  I am really not interested in having you dismiss my diaries in this way.   You are free to come up with your own diaries in which you can make any case you like.  That would involve some work and research, no doubt.  I guess it is easier to go this route for some commenters.


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:27:38 AM EST
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The italicised disclaimer came on after my comment. Either that or I was very rash to put my comment. I knew where you were coming from. But a new reader to MYDD wouldn't. Like I said, I don't have a problem with this diary if it was a regular one. Regardelss, I would probably have not said anything if I saw that disclaimer upfront.


by Pravin on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:40:14 AM EST
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Pravin, since this is like week 4 of these posts, the assumption is that everyone knows by now that on Mondays Hillary has two front page posts from supporters who were chose by Jerome(hwc and georgep).  Tomorrow is Edwards day, and Wednesday is Obama's.  I think Thurs is split between Richardson and Dodd.  They will be rah rah diaries, but that doesn't mean they lack substance.  I think this diary gives a good idea of the Democratic Party make-up and who is supporting whom.  Everyone of the campaigns and their supporters want to know where the voter are leaning and how they can make inroads into a particularly subgroup.  Georgep's contention in this diary is that Hillary is succeeding in bringing a diverse group of voters to her side.


by Kingstongirl on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:44:22 PM EST

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While these kind of diaries don't interest me that much(I don't mind an occasional diary or two on this matter), all I wanted to see was the standard disclaimer so the newbies get the context. Looks like GeorgeP fixed it. I got no problem now even if this kind of diary is not my preferred discussion matter. We are cool.


by Pravin on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:44:26 AM EST
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I love this site because we can talk about all the candidates and it's not a love fest like Kos for Edwards. Great diary  you hit it right on I would say Hillary has much more support then everyone in the Gay community. Let's assume Hillary wins the nomination I personally think it's game over for one reason the Hispanic vote. I expect such a huge shift that it will put Hillary on top.


by dobied on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:17:15 AM EST

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I agree.  The Hispanic vote will be coming our way big time.  2008 will be a repeat of 2006 all over again.  Because of her popularity spread across the various constituencies we should see record turnouts for us in basically any of the groups.  By contrast, major Evangelical leaders are already on record to pursue a third party and turn their backs on the GOP (and take their various groups with them) if one or the other candidate is chosen as the GOP representative.


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:33:13 AM EST
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I love this site because we can talk about all the candidates and it's not a love fest like Kos for Edwards. Great diary  you hit it right on I would say Hillary has much more support then everyone in the Gay community. Let's assume Hillary wins the nomination I personally think it's game over for one reason the Hispanic vote. I expect such a huge shift that it will put Hillary on top.


by dobied on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:17:42 AM EST

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What a well thought out and researched diary. Nothing like facts to help make the case that Hillary is the strongest candidate.

Thanks so much for your hard work.


by SF Bay on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:07:38 AM EST

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Sounds like someone is bitter.


by InigoMontoya on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:13:18 AM EST

Bitter? You're damned right I'm bitter (none / 0)

I've been working for another candidate for 6 months, and I've had to watch while he falls farther and farther behind while somebody with no real reason for running that I can see--other than that she can and wants to--pulls away month by month.
As it gets more and more likely that Clinton will be the nominee, I've tried to see the advantages, both to her as a candidate and to her as a president if she wins.  I've tried to see what everybody is so jazzed about, but I just can't understand it.
I see a candidate who can't or won't admit her mistakes.
I see a candidate who voted last week to designate a military organization of a sovereign country a terrorist group, giving Bush more leeway to start a war with Iran.
I see somebody who, if she wins 2 terms, will make it 28 years that this country has had presidents from the same 2 families.
I see somebody who, if she wins, will make it possible for the right to bleat for another 4 or 8 years about the Rose law firm billing, Vince Foster and "travelgate," whatever the hell that was.
I'm tired of it.  I don't want to live through another 4 or 8 years of rehashing the Clinton crap.  I know it was all crap.  I know it was all trumped up.  But I'm tired of it.  I know that any other Democrat who wins will have a bunch of trumped up fake "scandals" thrown at him, too.  But at least they'll be new trumped up fake "scandals."  I just don't want to go through this again.
ооо
by Mumphrey on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:23:53 PM EST
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Re: Bitter? You're damned right I'm bitter (none / 0)

It seems as if you should be annoyed about your own candidate's lack of campaign ability (I'm guessing JRE).

I think the whole "dynasty" thing is an inconsequential red herring, as much as the cackle, the haircut, or whatever...people may talk about it but it signifies nothing.

I don't think the Republicans will gain much traction if they try to trot out all the old anti-Clinton smears from before, hence I expect it to stop when it doesn't work.

Indeed, with all the crap the GOP has thrown at Clinton for 15 years, she keeps on ticking.   I think she has guts and stamina and a combativeness that are lacking in Obama & JRE.  For me, that's a winner.


by InigoMontoya on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 03:10:04 AM EST
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Good post.


by BigBoyBlue on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 07:58:19 AM EST

puff piece (none / 0)

n/t


by dearreader on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 08:03:01 AM EST

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yeah yeah. Hillary Clinton is great. Hillary Clinton cares about things. Hillary Clinton isn't the bitch everyone says she is. Hillary Clinton will lie, steal and cheat this nomination away from everyone else. Hillary Clinton was for the war in Iran before she was against it. Yeah, she's our gurl.


by Freaky Thirsty on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 08:58:31 AM EST

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What you fail to understand is that Clinton's lead is due to her "connecting" with the constituencies described while others fail miserably at that "connecting" thing.   If you can't connect with voters and can't convince them that you are the better candidate, you can't win.  Edwards is certainly not "our guy," and he has nobody to blame but himself.  Instead of spreading your considerable hate on Clinton you may want to focus on telling others why Edwards deserves the nod (most of us simply don't see why he should) or at the very least accept reality that to most Democrats he simply isn't it, in fact he is only third choice (and in some states only fourth choice.)


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:43:19 AM EST
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Look Edwards is the only true progressive he is a hero that takes public funds he is the most ethical one running.  Oh wait in 2004 he was the centrist democrat. He has deep problems with gays and we all know if he could raise the money he would not have opted for public funds 3 days before the end of the third quarter. He is an opportunist and a phoney.


by dobied on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:37:39 AM EST
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I would not quite go that far.  He was a lot more centrist a few years ago, but he has a good heart and is sincere when it comes to wanting to stem out poverty (as are all our candidates.)  But, you have to be able to connect with the voters.   If you can't, then you can't get elected.  As simple as that.  


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:03:23 PM EST
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stem out=stamp out


by georgep on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:03:56 PM EST
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Look Edwards is the only true progressive he is a hero that takes public funds he is the most ethical one running.  Oh wait in 2004 he was the centrist democrat. He has deep problems with gays and we all know if he could raise the money he would not have opted for public funds 3 days before the end of the third quarter. He is an opportunist and a phoney.


by dobied on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:37:44 AM EST
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She does NOT support the middle class (none / 0)

The increase in the H-1B visa that she and others support is a DIRECT assault on the American middle class, and a direct support for the Indian middle class.  She does not represent Indians.  She represents Americans.  We owe the Indians and Chinese NOTHING.

Why does she want more Indians employed and fewer Americans employed?


by dataguy on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:57:30 AM EST

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I gotta be frank here. This is where immigration issue crops up. We see a lot of support for illegal immigration among Democrats  which drives down wages for those on the poorer end of the scale. But we whine about middle class wages going down? There is nothing wrong with the H1B quota. If immigration did their job and weeded out all the bogus H1s(and yes, quite a few Indians come here not qualified for their job and sit unemployed and unpaid for long periods which is in direct violation of their status), then body shops will be more careful in recruiting Indians to the U.S. I see a lot of whining about tech support going to India and tech support getting worse. That's news to me. I get better tech support from Dell than from COMCAST which uses local tech support while Dell uses Indians a lot.

By the way, here's some news. More Indians are opting to stay in India now.


by Pravin on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:51:16 AM EST
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Oh...you forgot...

Trust fund kiddies and other people who make it based entirely on family connections.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:27:29 PM EST


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