The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark

Back in early March of 2006, I started monitoring MySpace in order to gauge periphery netroots support among potential 2008 Democratic contenders. At the time, the numbers were fairly anemic: Clark, Clinton, Warner and Feingold all had unofficial groups that came in at around 1,000 friends each. That situation almost immediately changed after Feingold introduced the censure resolution. Starting in mid-March, his unofficial MySpace page, founded independently by an enthusiastic supporter, began steadily rising at a rate of about 350 new friends every week. This was particularly amazing because it was a MySpace page rather than a far more visible MySpace group, and thus did not benefit from being listed among popular Government and Politics groups. In other words, this was hard growth--it was growing despite lacking the bandwagon effect that often characterizes watershed netroots moments.

By mid-July, Feingold's unofficial page was larger than the unofficial groups for all other potential 2008 Democrats combined. I remember thinking at the time that if Feingold were to announce he was running, or even set up an official MySpace group just for his Progressive Patriots Fund, that it would quickly become viral and probably grow larger than even the MySpace Democrats group. Considering the numbers he was putting up on Dailykos Straw polls, and in the BlogPac netrotos survey, a 100,000 member MySpace group struck me as well within reach by the end of 2006. Use an adder robot to start, flog it via your email list, make sure the group had regular updates with good multi-media and MySpace specific content, and it would be off to the races. Although I did not look into it to the same degree, I imagined the same thing could be replicated for Feingold on Facebook and other social networking sties that allowed politically oriented groups. Obama's recent Facebook success has confirmed my suspicions on that front.

Alas, I could never test my theory, as Feingold chose not to enter the 2008 campaign, and his leadership PAC never set up an official MySpace page (or, for that matter, any official page on any social networking site, at least that I know of). However, as of this writing, that same unofficial page started by an enthusiastic supporter still has a remarkable 9,408 friends. Considering that Feingold is not even in the race, and that this is a page rather than a group, I think the number of friends on the unofficial Feingold MySpace page is now a useful benchmark to monitor candidate progress on the so-called "netroots primary." Simply put, any candidate with whose official group or page has fewer friends than Feingold's unofficial page is not doing very well online. Any candidate with more is at least performing adequately. Micah Sifry has the tale of the tape:

MySpace friends as of January 28th
Obama: 26,779
Clinton: 19,093
Edwards: 10,046

Biden: 1,343
Vilsack: 1,169
Kucinich: 649
Richardson: 611 (note: started last week)
Dodd: 95

I should also note that although he has not declared, Clark's official group from WesPac has 43,032 friends. That group was started in early August, and roughly 80% of its members joined up within the first month. I do not understand the reasons behind the stagnation, but I can speculate. The group is only updated about once every week or so, does not seem to feature MySpace specific content, and Clark has not exactly been the most visible potential candidate of late. However, to tell you the truth, I really do not know.

Looking at the totals for the other candidates, we are starting to see similar patterns emerging online that we see within the Democratic field as a whole. Obama, Clinton and Edwards are way ahead of the second tier. Among the second tier, no one seems to be emerging just yet. Further, it actually does not surprise me that Clinton's position in the MySpace primary (2nd) is quite different from her results in Dailykos straw polls (5th or 6th). For starters, she is throwing a lot of resources to compete online. Second, as we saw in the netroots survey, the less often a Democratic-leaning netroots activist reads blogs, the more that activist's opinion of Hillary Clinton approximates those held by rank and file Democrats as a whole:



The million-dollar question is whether or not regular blog readers are influential enough first to influence the wider range of the progressive netroots, and next to influence the Democratic rank and file as a whole. Right now, Clinton seems to be doing OK among the wider netroots, even if she is not very popular in the blogosphere. Perhaps the equation is changing.

What does surprise me as how poorly Edwards is doing on MySpace. Right now, he is barely above the Feingold benchmark, despite being in the campaign for an entire month, despite raising a lot of money on Act Blue, despite leading Dailykos straw polls, and despite, from what I hear, hiring a lot of internet staff. To say the least, I am surprised his campaign is not more on top of the online social networking front than it appears to be. If they don't fix this fast, the bandwagon effect for Clinton, and especially Obama, might get out of control on MySpace to the point where there is not much oxygen left for anyone else. Since he is already being pushed to the side by the establishment media who want to see a Clinton vs. Obama campaign, the last thing Edwards needs at this point is for either of these candidates to start dominating him in the netroots primary. Even if it is "only" MySpace, it is still an emerging netroots center, and as such it should be taken seriously by anyone who wants to carry the mantle of the progressive movement.

Update: The actual official DNC MySpace page can be found here.



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Re: The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark (3.00 / 0)

MySpace is not a good benchmark on candidate support. There is the MySpace phenomenon called being a "MySpace whore". That is a person who adds "friends" just for the sake of adding "friends" and having the most "friends". There is also software that can you purchase that will help you add friend requests in bulk (that's how those random bands and hot chicks that do not exist want to be your "friend" so often). So I wouldn't put much faith in the number of friends any one candidate has on the site.

Though, it is a great advertising and networking tool for politicians!


by John McTexas on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:19:24 PM EST

Re: The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark (none / 0)

I know about just things. However, it wasn't long ago that people would have said "a candidate's support on the blogs doesn't mean much." Times change, and I think that there is the potential for a campaign to use MySpace extremely effectively.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:39:07 PM EST
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am I reading it right (none / 0)

as a social network recluse.

Howard Dean only has 2,668 friends?

If so that would tell me these numbers are suspicious.

I would have expected the DNC with Howard Dean to have more friends than that.


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:51:20 PM EST
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Re: am I reading it right (none / 0)

Myspace didn't really explode in growth until late 2004 and early 2005, effectively post-Dean.


by blueflorida on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:11:10 PM EST
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admittedly ignorant of these sites (none / 0)

but I thought myspace started as a musicians site long ago and facebook as a college site.

IF these "groups" or "friends" are not exclusive, meaning you can be a clark "friend" and Edwards "friend" at the same time, I would bet if Satan started a group with the chance to win a free i-pod, Satan would have the biggest group of friends.

The ActBlue site would seem much easier to translate into campaign workers and votes than myspace or facebook.

people who give money to a campaign, are much more likely to work for that campaign and actually vote

true HIllary and probably obama will pump out some free media stenography about the myspace revolution but it probably isn't as important as the ActBlue $$$ to indicate support.

No doubt the people in the MSM who have no clue will be really excited with Peter Daou's help and write some article on it, much like the WSJ did about all this support online Hillary has.

http://www.actblue.com/page/2cents4hilla ry


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:21:38 PM EST

Re: The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark (none / 0)

I didn't even know Feingold had a MySpace page.  I'll have to add him as a friend now.  Have you seen the latest Facebook numbers for each of the candidates?


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:27:35 PM EST

how many friends does Cheney or Bush (none / 0)

have?


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:49:29 PM EST
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MySpace measures pop culture influence (none / 0)

I don't think MySpace and Facebook are as accurate a depiction of support as blogs and/or opinion surveys.  The MySpace population is much different than truly politically involved populations.  I think the Obama, Clinton, and to a lesser extent Edwards leads in the MySpace race are more a measure of their pop culture buzz.


by KickinIt on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:50:00 PM EST

Re: The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark (none / 0)

I agree with the buzz that MySpace and Facebook are not valid indicators of support. You must remember, MySpace is far more popular than DailyKos or MyDD. It may be on the Internet, but that doesn't mean all its users are members of the "netroots." They may be plagued by the same Obama-Clinton-Who Else Exists? ignorance seen in most of the population. Biden et all don't have "friends" not because they're not supported, but because they're still unknown.

Furthermore, I would imagine many of the candidate's "friends" are minors who can't vote. MySpace is HUGE among high schoolers. Wait until ads start airing and a debate or two has been held to gauge the real support, and don't use MySpace to do it.


Ever heard of a Blue Moose Democrat?
by Nathan Empsall on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:15:25 PM EST

There Is Some Content There (3.00 / 1)

Just a couple of comments.  The Obama Facebook groups One Million Strong for Barack and Students for Barack Obama (which itself has over 52k members) have discussion boards (equivalent to MyDD diaries) numbering, as of now, 326 and 269 respectively.  These attract between a handful to several hundred posts each, averaging out to about a dozen or less, just on a guess.

The content of the posts just on a skim are roughly as serious and informed as those at DailyKos, both pro and con, if less self-conciously 'Democrat' and seem to cover a range of relevant and frivoulous topics.

Seems to me there is some actual content in these groups which qualify them as another 'branch' of the netroots whether they are aware of it or not.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:11:27 PM EST

Re: There Is Some Content There (none / 0)

Yours is a very important point.


by blueflorida on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:03:50 PM EST
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Re: There Is Some Content There (none / 0)

I disagree. How many people are posting on those boards versus how many people are members of the group? It's very easy to click "join a group" on Facebook or MySpace and then never look at the group again. In fact, that's what most Facebook users do. They like the group, they join it to support the cause or because it's funny, they have the group name on their profile, and they never actually look at it. MyDD or DailyKos, on the other hand, attract people who actually want to read or disucss; there's no one posting who's uninterested, unlike FB group members. The netrootish people in the group are generally exceptions, not the norm.


Ever heard of a Blue Moose Democrat?
by Nathan Empsall on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:07:06 AM EST
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Re: There Is Some Content There (none / 0)

Never intended to indicate that the number of group members was connected to the amount of blogging going on, I thought I gave a pretty good rough guide to the number of posts and these are clearly lower numbers.

Yet the overall number of posts are not insignificant, that's all.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:58:14 AM EST
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Re: There Is Some Content There (none / 0)

I would agree with that, I'm just guessing the overall number of posts is from a very small group of people, the same individuals over and over again, and too small a portion of the overall membership to count as part of the netroots.


Ever heard of a Blue Moose Democrat?
by Nathan Empsall on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:51:32 AM EST
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Re: The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark (none / 0)

Myspace trends young and would represent a much more specialized segment of the population than the blogosphere which, itself, is skewed toward the better educated. Edwards' poor showing may suggest a relative deficit among young people rather than a worrisome overall trend. OTOH, whether Myspacers who join candidate sites as friends represent an important segment of the young population is another matter. If Myspace contacts provided unique fundraising that didn't overlap with other sources, then I'd be more convinced that it's an important segment and that it represents something more than people who enjoy looking at ugly, unreadable sites with horrible music.


by rich on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:44:59 PM EST

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Myspace trends young...

This is a myth at this point. From comScore:

More than Half of MySpace Visitors are Now Age 35 or Older


by blueflorida on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:14:02 PM EST
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Re: The MySpace Primary and the Feingold Benchmark (3.00 / 2)

Chris--thanks for the linkage and the very interesting discussion as always of online politics. I have two comments on your post:
1. I would really strongly suggest that we not start calling it a "MySpace primary." This is hardly a solid measure of candidate support; nor is it a real primary because we can obviously "vote" (actually "friend") multiple candidates. I do think the total numbers and the trends in friending on big social network hubs and in terms of incoming blog links are rough measures of excitement; perhaps they are as telling as the large crowds you might see gathered at a particular booth at the state fair. We should be really, really humble about comparing this to a "primary"--for all we know our speculations will cause the mainstream media, which as we know falls for all kind of  odd measures of candidate support (see "straw polls") to start hyping MySpace numbers when, arguably, it's far more important how a candidate is doing on Facebook if we're interested in real potential volunteer energy. After all, the social base of MySpace tends much more towards indie rock and other musical subcultures, where Facebook is still primarily college students and recent grads.

2. That gets to my second point. It could also be that we're just looking where the light is brightest, and the real measure of online action and energy is going to be on the candidates' sites and in the peripheral support sites that their backers create. I haven't had the time (yet) to look at all the unofficial groups online for the candidates; nor have I looked at such basic building blocks like Yahoo groups, which were critical to the Dean campaign's base. The Edwards campaign has built a very robust online platform for its supporters, and I think they could make a very good case that if they manage to attract and engage lots of people directly on their site, their lower MySpace total may matter much less.

Note, by the way, that so far neither Obama nor Hillary have any kind of real interaction with their fans online; neither through their sites (find me the Hillary blog or the Obama blog, please) nor thru the big online hubs. In fact, so far, they mainly seem to be treating them like fans, not voters or co-equal participants in creating something worth supporting...

Micah


by Micah Sifry on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 08:22:23 PM EST

For the record (none / 0)

Feingold was right.


by Bob Brigham on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 08:36:54 PM EST

The Guy Who Started the Feingold MySpace Page... (none / 0)

has an account here, but doesn't seem to visit very often.  I don't wanna out him, but he was on the RunRussRun.com steering committee with a number of us.


Dennis Kucinich, Progressive Democrat for President in 2008
by hoose on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:25:31 PM EST

a crapload of MySpace friends overrated? (none / 0)

For what it's worth, word was that this past fall, Phil Angelildes had the most MySpace friends of any politician in the country. And we know how that turned out...

The point of course is that friends alone does not mean anything since it's simple to click to add someone to a friend. it's what passion is behind it. I'll be curious to see if there's any correlation between MySpace friends and success in the primaries next year.


by Todd Beeton on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:01:29 AM EST


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