Meeting Andy Stern

It's bitterly cold here in Iowa City, and I'm here with Andy Stern, the President of SEIU.  He's on a book tour to promote his new book, 'A Country that Works', as well as to try to shape the 2008 campaign debates around the concerns of SEIU members and working Americans.  I'm going to be spending time with Stern over the next few days here in both Iowa and New Hampshire because the agenda of the netroots and that of labor is intertwined more than either group realizes.  Labor is the one major institution in this country aside from the Federal government that systematically improves conditions for workers, and unions are there to elect Democrats in almost every race in the country.  They provide the bodies, the money, and the institutional memory that makes our politics possible.

Unions are also, more than any other major power center in American politics, structurally aligned with what we're doing.  They are fighting against economic insecurity, and that drives a lot of where we are right now.  They are fighting against corporate and political elites, and we are fighting against a related set of elites, the bobbleheads on TV who spout the profitable right-wing line or the party hacks who keep people out of the political process.  And they are paying attention to politics when the electorate is tuned out, which gives them immense power to shape the agenda of the Democratic Party.  We pay attention to politics, all the time, somewhat obsessively. Stern himself is a leader who doesn't give in to the usual excessive caution that dominates our politics, and that alone sets him apart.

So anyway, with such new groups as They Work for Us serving as places where the netroots and labor can work together, it's time to get to know our allies.

Stern Introduces SEIU to MyDD, Slams Baucus

I asked Stern to talk about how SEIU handles its relationship with the political establishment.  Stern represents a union, which is a genuinely democratic structure and one with economic interests.  Unions are not appendages of the Democratic Party, they are independent collective bargaining units.  Here's Stern, with a greeting and a discussion of how SEIU relates to the political process.  He also gives a nice little dig at Max Baucus, who was holding up a minimum wage increase so that business could get tax breaks.

Advice on Shaping the Debate in 2008

I asked Stern about how activists can help shape the debate in 2008.  He talked about SEIU's strategy, what they did in 2004 to force candidates to address their issues, and encouraged us to speak truth to power.

On 'A Country that Works'

Here's Stern discussing his new book and why he wrote it.  He believes that America is undergoing a radical transformation, and that we are totally unprepared as a nation to deal with the global forces headed our way.  

On Heath care Debates in Iowa and in Congress

We can't forget about Iowa and issues.  Earlier today, there was a health care discussion earlier with Congressman Dave Loebsack, a strong single-payer advocate, in which they discussed state-level initiatives and the unwillingness of the Democratic leadership in Congress to tackle health care.  



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Re: Meeting Andy Stern (none / 0)

Actually, I did realize already how intertwined the agenda of the netroots and the agenda of labor are. I don't just show up in the blogosphere, but at a lot of union halls. A lot of Democrats who haven't figured out the netroots (who has?) know to show up at union halls.

And as to your new nickname, I think it's a bit harsh. I did not think your criticism of Edwards was that destructive, certainly by comparison to the caustic attacks on character we've become accustomed to. I would agree to "He Who Must Be Annoyed."

It was good to see you on Saturday.


by Rep Brad Miller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:33:15 AM EST

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Actually, I did realize already how intertwined the agenda of the netroots and the agenda of labor are. I don't just show up in the blogosphere, but at a lot of union halls. A lot of Democrats who haven't figured out the netroots (who has?) know to show up at union halls.

And as to your new nickname, I think it's a bit harsh. I did not think your criticism of Edwards was that destructive, certainly by comparison to the caustic attacks on character we've become accustomed to. I would agree to "He Who Must Be Annoyed."

It was good to see you on Saturday.


by Rep Brad Miller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:36:15 AM EST

Every consultant tells candidates... (none / 0)

to repeat their message relentlessly. Actually, my computer, the internet or this site was slow this morning, and didn't show that my comment went up the first time.


by Rep Brad Miller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:46:50 AM EST
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Re: Every consultant tells candidates... (none / 0)

Congressman Miller, I'd love to hear if you have any thoughts about how to create more links between our worlds.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:51:16 AM EST
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Uh, (none / 0)

that's kind of a big topic for a comment. How to build a new coalition to win elections and govern should be uppermost in every Democrat's mind. Unions are undoubtedly part of that coalition, and so are the netroots.

I don't think the strain between new activists and union members is nearly as bad as it was in the sixties, but the right wing is certainly trying to make it so by reading the netroots out of the cultural mainstream. I actually wrote about this last year--kind of obliquely--in a diary over at dailykos about yearlykos called "So Who Are You People?" Also, my diary there called "Kossacks Must Share The Democratic Party With Factory Workers" was roughly about the same topic (I admit I could have been more diplomatic in that diary, but I did stop short of calling netroots activists chardonnay sipping, brie eating snots).

(I'm not up to doing links this morning. If you want to, knock yourself out.)

You asked this weekend why some Democrats were so appalled by some of the rhetoric of the blogosphere, why they had a hard time with passionate opinions. The memory of the painful fissure in the Democratic Party between the traditional Democrats (including many in labor) and the new anti-war activists may be part of the reason.


by Rep Brad Miller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 08:18:19 AM EST
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Re: Uh, (none / 0)

It should be solved right now, in this comment thread.  

:)


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:48:20 AM EST
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Do we need a new thread... (none / 0)

to discuss the role in the Democratic Party of the African-American and Latino communities, or should we cover that in this thread too?


by Rep Brad Miller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:35:45 AM EST
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Re: Do we need a new thread... (none / 0)

Let's just fix it all now.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:50:56 AM EST
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If they stand with us, we'll stand with them... (none / 0)

Here's an idea: What about unionizing activists?

The biggest "progressive" organizations (specifically The Fund, Grassroots Campaigns, INC and many of the other PIRGS) pay horrendous wages, actively fight against their workers ability to form unions and negotiate their wages/conditions as a group, offer no benefits, and generally treat their employees like "widgets". This is made all the worse by the fact that almost all of the major progressive groups that hire activists (MoveOn, the DNC, CAP, PFAW) outsource some or all of their field operations to these for profit, anti-progressive, anti-worker outfits.

So how about we play "lets make a deal"? If some union will step forward and take on the fight for decent pay, a standard work week, some benefits, etc. for the progressive movement's youngest activists, then the progressive movement will support that union's (or all unions) fight for their own decent pay, standard work week, some benefits, etc.?

It is striking to me how little regard many within the progressive movement, and esp. the big institutional players, have for their own workers.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:16:03 AM EST
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Re: If they stand with us... (none / 0)

That's is such a juicy subject and I can imagine several points of view.

Initially I'm inclined to be for a culture that nurtures career activists but against enforcement of union-style principles for any organization that uses volunteers, especially smaller and short-term ones.

I've worked on causes for free, for minimum wage, commission, and salary+benefits, and I want small orgs and electoral campaigns to have the freedom to offer modest rewards to those of us who are mostly volunteering.

OTOH, when it comes to outsourcing, the argument is obvious and at least as relevant as putting union bugs on literature. And I'd like to think there's another model for long-term canvassing operations than the meat grinder.


by JoeFelice on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:52:24 PM EST
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Re: If they stand with us (none / 0)

Considering that the current 'deal' is that Unions must keep quiet about the exploitation of young progressive activists in exchange for recognition from Democratic leaders, your proposal will likely be ignored.  The support of the majority of Congress is still more useful than the support of a progressive critic or two.  It is the role of Unions to oppose the dangerous excesses of Management, and Unions, perhaps especially my Union, have been absent when progressive and Democratic Managers needed to be checked.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:18:09 PM EST
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Labor and Democrats (3.00 / 0)

"Unions are not appendages of the Democratic Party, they are independent collective bargaining units. "

Congressman Miller may not like this, but I actually wish the Democratic Party was more of an appendage of the labor movement. I think the Party should be a vehicle for economic, social, and environmental justice and unions are one of, if not the major driver of the first two.

We need more union members and more Democrats to enact a progressive vision in this country. And the former almost always tends to lead to the latter.  


by adamterando on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:09:01 AM EST

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Matt: Excellent post. Blue collar types won't achieve economic security in the US till unions again become an integral part of the workplace. This won't happen till Democrats can repeal most of the regulations & laws in this country that hinder unionization.

Democrats won't be a majority in this country till we get blue collar types, particularly whites, largely backing the Democratic Party.

Congressman Miller: We appreciate all your efforts.


by carter1 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:02:25 AM EST

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It isn't just "blue collar" types that need the protection of a union.

That attitude has crippled the necessary unionization of many workplaces, because white collar workers faced with unpaid overtime and a whole slew of other injustices believe that unions aren't for them.


by ManfromMiddletown on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:08:00 AM EST
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Re: Meeting Andy Stern (none / 0)

Just so that you don't think that you're the only MyDDer who has met Stern, here's Bowers hosting Stern's book tour in Philly:
Bowers ponders the New Labor movement as Stern speaks
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:07:20 AM EST

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Thanks for the report, Matt.

It's bitterly cold here in Iowa City

For the record, it does get "bitterly colder" than it is right now in Iowa City.  I'll allow that it was cold last night (about 5 above for a low, I think), but you should visit some time when it's -20 degrees without the wind chill.

I always laugh when people here in the DC area complain about "arctic cold" and "deep freeze" conditions, because they're usually talking about temperatures just below freezing.  Iowans have been known to wear tee-shirts out in weather like that :)


by jonweasel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:45:00 AM EST

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Great post - more like this please!

By the way, on the topic of issues vs partisan politics, LiberalOasis has been making the point that progressives should be concerned at his point about getting organized around issues and setting the agenda, and not focusing too much on specific candidates (he was talking about Presidential but I think its true generally). Thats what I understand stern to be saying too.


by desmoulins on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:16:36 PM EST


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