How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear

Over in Breaking Blue, you might have noticed a tussle about John Edwards.  I criticized Edwards for not living up to his values, for building a nice home for his family that cost a fair amount of money.  'Two America's, I thought snidely - he certainly has made it clear which one he wants to live in.  I might have added a 'heh' for good measure.  You see, criticizing a candidate, one of ours, who has legally made a lot of money and lives in a nice home for some sort of hypocrisy is a baseless character attack, and I'm ashamed that I reiterated it (thus my new nickname).  The process by which the right stuffed it into my head, and by which I accepted it, is instructive.  

First of all, a few months ago, I had put some stock in Edwards as the most progressive candidate, and felt betrayed when he went all neoconservative on Iran.  And since I have felt betrayed so many times by my Democratic leaders, it felt natural to impugn his motives.  I was all emotionally primed to accept a negative character attack.  Edwards has also set himself up with a message that requires a lot of trust.  He's in the elite - a meritocratic elite - but an elite nonetheless, and he's asking for trust in bridging the worlds of the elite and the public.  It's a difficult message to deliver, but it's the one that FDR successfully delivered, and it's the message of all great progressive Presidents.

Well of course, the way to jam this message is to wedge a leader like Edwards from a 'grasstop' like me.  Now, as a movement progressive, when there's a field of similar candidates like the ones we have, I'm going to criticize with an eye towards pushing them all in a more progressive, moral direction.  And to be honest, the Iran belligerence really shook me up.  I get that some rhetorical heat is necessary, but Edwards attended a very neocon conference while other Democrats did not, and spoke aggressively about Iran.

This is going to happen.  There are going to be places our candidates are going to feel the need to make compromises, compromises that we might find abhorrent.  The right capitalizes on this.  Yesterday, a reader emailed me an article discussing the Edwards' new home from the Carolina Journal.  The Carolina Journal is a publication put out by the John Locke Foundation, a local right-wing think tank the North Carolina blogger warned me about.  From there, the story, or non-story rather, was passed to the Drudge Report where it was widely linked.  And then someone emailed it to me, professing to really really like John Edwards but having nagging doubts because of things like this.

And then, primed for this emotionally, and looking for a reason to go after Edwards, I knocked him in Breaking Blue using this material that had been sourced, packaged, and distributed by the right through their network.  I try really hard to be fair, and to look for information before forming an opinion.  I have a pretty wide network of sources, people who pass me gossip that I informally weave into my blog posts.  But in this case, I was angry, and did not act analytically.  And the right was there, taking advantage to embed a meme about John Edwards into my head.

It's going to be an ugly campaign.  I don't share the illusion about the right, and about myself, that I am somehow above the propaganda.  It affects me.  TV is powerful, and so are rumors and a really well developed right-wing narrative built into our cultural system, and into my head.  I have to work against this every day, and I expect that this is true for many of us.  We must work to identity the memes that the right puts out, and stop using them ourselves.

Update: Elizabeth Edwards has more here.



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you were wrong (none / 0)

you were wrong, you admitted it.
soak your head in a tub of ice water mr. grass top.
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by heyAnita on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 11:51:49 PM EST

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this is good that you could admit you were duped.


by rikyrah on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 11:55:00 PM EST

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Matt,
     You're an honest man, and I admire you more than I can say. Thank goodness we've got people like you on our side. You're worth a thousand of THEM.

Ron


by Ron Thompson on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 11:55:35 PM EST

he might as well learn how to respond now (3.00 / 6)

If Edwards is the nominee, they are going to pull this "big house" line on him all over the hate radio and right-wing blogosphere, so he might as well figure out how to respond now.

A good start would be pointing out that the Edwards home has an Energy Star rating for various reasons, among them the solar system that heats all the water used in the house and lots of efficiency measures.

I didn't agree with your reading of those comments on Iran, but I understand why it made you angry. At some point all of the candidates are going to make us angry. Edwards won my support by busting his butt to help unions in recent years.

If there is one single thing that would massively grow the progressive and the Democratic electorate, it's increasing union membership in the private sector. Edwards gets how important this is, and he has actually been doing something to effect change toward this end. To me that's vital. The other candidates are triangulating and using feel-good rhetoric so far.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 11:57:57 PM EST

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At this point I would consider myself an Edwards supporter, but I suppose things could change. His sabre-rattling over Iran has irked me too. You are right about needing to place a lot of trust in Edwards, but we are forced to place trust in all of our politicians. There is one big reason why I believe Edwards is the real deal. I've been meaning to write a post for about a week or so to elaborate on this, but I'll state it here.

Edwards has lost a national campaign. More importantly, it was one in which he (or rather the Kerry campaign) played it cautiously . We all know that this leads to failure, but our politicians don't seem to understand it until after they go down to defeat. Just compare Al Gore and John Kerry now to Hillary Clinton. I think there's a liberating aspect to losing that can free a politician. I see that in Edwards right now, it was especially evident in his MLK speech. He seems like someone who has nothing to lose, so he's runnning from his convictions

I'm not going to blindly follow Edwards, but right now I support him. I think you're getting at the heart of a difficult issue here. We all want to hold our candidates to the highest standard, but we have to make sure that in doing so we don't perpetuate the right wing noise machine. We should strive to find the truth about our potential nominees, not smear them. I think this is a challenge we will all face, and a line I'm sure all of us will cross at some point over the next year.


by who threw da cat on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 11:58:52 PM EST

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I find you are not alone in your emotional response to Edwards.  On another site there has been a 3 day argument between pro and anti forces re: Edwards and his house.  I find it stupid.  
But, I have found that the people who support Edwards tend to be unrealistic in their view of him.  They want him to be a perfect, ideal version of thier imagined hero.  This is unfair to your candidate.  YOu are wrapped up emotionally because you are projecting ideal hero onto a person who is nothing more than mere human and a politician.
He has faults like all humans and it's unfair to expect perfection of him.
I am not a supporter of his.  I feel there is something not there.  something missing and so I am not invested in the argument.  I am not anti Edwards except when people push him at me and think of him as hero.  I feel like screaming for them to be realistic.
You need to rethink your idea of the man and stop putting him on a pedistal he will surely fall off for his human imperfections.  You need to stop trying to make an ideal out of your candidates and realize they will stumble and fall and be stupid like everyone else.
A candidate is a person who has the views you share the most with and feel they can do the job.  Not some imaginary hero of yore come to life.
Cut yourself and the man, Edwards, a break and start seeing him in real terms.  YOu will not be so hurt the next time.  This will make you a better blogger as you will find a more adult view of candidates and the people they are.
by vwcat on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:00:39 AM EST

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That other site has been a farce since Friday, and MyDD a major relief. I almost started a gag diary Saturday asking why there wasn't front page uproar over Edwards'new house.

Edwards is hardly an ideal candidate. Some people view him as a phony. I've encountered that online and in person, quizzing out of towners in Las Vegas sportsbooks. But the glaring difference: even those who doubt Edwards' sincerity don't condemn him and are willing to listen to counter views. I found none of that in '04 with Kerry. That summer I drove from Las Vegas to Saratoga to Miami, and back to Las Vegas. Gone three months. My race track, golf course, campground, bar stool and convenience store sampling indicated that opinions of Kerry were locked in place, and anything but positive.


by Gary Kilbride on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:42:08 AM EST
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brave post. i like it, at least.


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by nezua limon xolagrafik jonez on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:13:07 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (3.00 / 1)

Good grief. How the heck did this even temporarily attract you?  What is wrong with a guy who earns some good money by being a trial lawyer and builds a nice house with the money?  Do you just think that "trial lawyer" is a derogatory term like the right wing has made it, by demonizing anyone who brings lawsuits for plaintiffs against large institutions or companies? Or do you just agree with the right wing about how Democrats are the party of envy and you want to demonstrate that? I'll bet that lawyers who make good money are a significant part of your "netroots" base.


by tyva on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:13:21 AM EST

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I have mention in the other thread. The balls on these right wing morons to use this as a talking point. Coming form people who vote for Cheney who makes millions of blood money on national security. The Bush family has made millions over the years and have daughters who are good for nothing non productive citizens.


by Pravin on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:15:25 AM EST
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I didn't attack him as a trial lawyer.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:16:24 AM EST
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I was just dropping in... (none / 0)

Nice friends you have, here.

The sort that have your back when you need them most.

Some of them, anyway.

So - Aside from discussing real estate issues, what's up? :)


by cskendrick on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:37:00 AM EST
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Re: I was just dropping in... (none / 0)

I'm in Iowa now.  It's friggin' cold.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:44:09 AM EST
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Re: I was just dropping in... (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, you didn't attack trial lawyers.  But looking at John Edwards, please keep in mind that you don't need to be poor to care about helping them, just as trial lawyers don't need to be injured or victimized to be able to be sympathetic and convey their situations well. Edwards was likely a much better trial lawyer than average, but any good lawyer is really in the business of understanding a victim's or client's situation and trying to convey it articulately and emotionally to others. But the fundamental problem with your intitial reaction is that you really don't have to be poor to (a) understand their situation and want to help and (b) believe that America would be much better off for everyone if there were no underclass and we brought everyone up to a level where they had all the basics, housing, education, health, and decent jobs.


by tyva on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:56:24 AM EST
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Public Protection Attorneys (none / 0)

We would be in such a world of trouble without the "Atticus Finch's and Abe Lincoln's" of this world.


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by Feral Cat on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:33:34 AM EST
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Drink something you will feel better :) (none / 0)


by cskendrick on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:57:32 AM EST
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the coordination aspect is intriguing (none / 0)

Late Friday night a troll named "MyDaddahWorkedInAMill" posted the pictures of the Edwards house on the johnedwards website.

In Sunday's paper there was a front page spread in the Raleigh News Observer on Edwards' house with the exact same picture.

Apparently there was some coordination or common leaks of this this weekend.


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by TarHeel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:42:42 PM EST
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It's natural to let your guard down (none / 0)

Maybe my expectations of Edwards is more tempered this time and so I don't get disappointed as easily. I really did not like him in 2004. But I am OK with him for 2008 even if I prefer Feingold, Clark , GOre or Webb type guy.

But I say this to all DEmocratic leaders. If you keep pissing off the base, then when the right wingers do their usual smear job, why should we work extra hard to figure out the truth and the falsehoods for people who don't stand by you in the tough times(which explains why I will not feel sorry for the CLintons when they get unfairly bashed by the right wingers if she emerges as the Dem candidate).

The more you stand by us even when it is not politically advantageous , the more that idealism will pay off with people like us willing to go to great lengths to ward off the right wing attacks.


by Pravin on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:13:39 AM EST

Generic Democrat. (none / 0)

   So basically you like any Democrat who is not running for president.  Why does this always happen?  Why does generic Democrat ALWAYS destroy specific Democrat?  I'm not attacking you.  We just really have to find a way to make specific Democrat live up to the hype of generic Democrat.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:19:37 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Anybody have a link to a story about what Edwards said about Iran? This is the first I've heard of it.


by johnalive on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:17:04 AM EST

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I found the following link on some other blog earlier today:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Po litics/10435.htm

I've never heard of this site before today, so can't vouch for its merits, but the article content seems generally consistent with what I've heard/read elsewhere regarding Edward's words on the Iran business.

Steve-MD04
by SteveMD04 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:48:45 AM EST
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actual speech


by dblhelix on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:53:38 AM EST
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alright to use right wing memes against DLC'ers (none / 0)

For example, Drudge catapulted this video on Hillary Clinton but it is still damn funny and closing in on a half a million views with the following honors:

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Driven by the right but laughed at by all around just like the try out weeks at American Idol.


by Bob Brigham on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:19:43 AM EST

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I suppose it's noble for you to apologize, Matt, but I don't understand what you're really apologizing for. Just because the right wing said it doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. There's nothing in this post that actually addresses the issue of John Edwards' huge, tacky house--and the stupidity of building it while he's talking about the "Two Americas."


by Smedley Hirkum on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:20:00 AM EST

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Hey asshole,

You can have a big house and be concerned about poor people.  Ask FDR.  Ask JFK.

Jeebus, people are stupid.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:22:00 AM EST
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Hey friend (none / 0)

thanks for the personal attack. My point was that it's politically unwise to build a brand-new huge house when you're preaching a theme of "Two Americas" and trying to get the votes of poor people. I'm sure John Edwards cares about poor people, but perhaps he should think about how this giant new house may alter his image in the media as a champion for the poor.

Or we could just call me an asshole for having a different opinion than you. Whatevz!


by Smedley Hirkum on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:29:14 PM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

It is just as knee jerk to relexively dismiss information solely because the sorce of that information likely has an axe to grind against someone, political or otherwise.  Many whistle blowers become whistle blowers for less than noble reasons, for example.

I am not so much talking about this specific brew haha over the Edwards house, but speaking more to a general principle.  Had it been Air America that first broke the news of the Mark Foley Scandal, and had their information all been completely accurate, would that have allowed conservative christian supporters of George Bush to dismiss the facts of the charges, or totally ignore all implications of that reality as it became apparent, simply because those liberal whackos at Air America likely were scoring political points over it?

Obviously the source of information matters regarding trusting the accuracy of reporting.  Obviously the souce of information matters regarding how information can be twisted out of context.  Obviously the source of information matters regarding how information is framed and how political spin need to be confronted and countered.  

Again I am less talking about the flap about the Edwards house than I am about not reflexively closing ourselves off from looking at information because we have little or no respect for the source of that information. Of course information from non trustworthy sources must be treated as highly suspicious on the face of it. I wouldn't put it past Drudge or anyone else who is an adversary of Democrats to intentionally withold information that the Edwards complex would also house  his anti-poverty center in the future, and that it wasn't just his family residence (if that were in fact true, to make up one example).  

Don't Trust. But Verify.


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by Tom Rinaldo on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:52:26 AM EST
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The gates foundation or warren buffett (none / 0)

gates lives in a mcmansion on the lake in washington but has probably spent more on the third world than anyone or other agency ever will


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:45:06 PM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

I think the last sentence  "We must work to identity the memes that the right puts out, and stop using them ourselves." is a very good point.  I would like to start the list:

"Social Security won't be around by the time I get old enough to use it."  

I've been hearing that since the early '80s.


by viperlmw on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:34:01 AM EST

Matt, you answered your own question (none / 0)

But what is with constructing a massive palatial estate at the same time as you are running a campaign based on poverty?

Correct

If John Edwards wasn't running for higher office on his two americas message, this won't be a problem at all. The messenger on this story is definitely right-wing, but the message is not necesarily so.

I'm not the biggest fan of Edwards, I'll be the first to admit that. But I think, it takes away some level of poverty street-cred on his part if he advances himself as the champion of the working poor and at the same time he's building a humongous palatial home that is so foreign to most working class folks. It just doesn't mesh with his message.


by rosebowl on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:44:34 AM EST

Bullshit. (3.00 / 4)

The man is not required to take a vow of poverty to address the issue of poverty, and argument to the contrary is right-wing bullshit.

There is nothing in Edwards' message that condemns wealth.  Edwards has never pretended to be anything other than a wealthy man, nor has he apologized for it; why should he?

What he has condemned is a state that rewards wealth and punishes work - a state that, for example, taxes labor income at a higher rate than dividend income.  Or a society in which a person can work a full day, but end it more impoverished than when they began.

Hearing that message, then screeching, "But he's rich!" just . . . misses the point.  It's fucking sad.


by Drew on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:59:06 AM EST
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Do we want to win? (none / 0)

You're right.  Screaming "Down with the Rich" or "Let me get me knitting needles and Off with their heads" like I often do is hyperbole to get a point across.  But having a Predidential candidate saying it won't build the coalitions we need to win.  I wish he hadn't built quite so big a house, but I am so glad that this incredibly talented, smart, successful guy is running when we usually get a bunch of mediocre career politicians who live in the bubble of the beltway.  And my antenna is up about the Iran deal, but again, the guy is wicked smart and must have something up his sleeve, so I'll cut him some slack.  It's good that our nominee has "flashes of hawk", but overwhelmingly believes in talking which  he's really good at.    


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by Feral Cat on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:45:34 AM EST
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Missing my point (none / 0)

From a personal point of view, John Edwards has made a lot of money through hard work. He can choose to spend it in whichever way that makes him happy. He's earned every penny the right way afterall.

But from a political point of view, I don't think it's smart politics to be building a home that has a tax value alone of $6M at the same time preaching about two americas. It in some ways undercuts Edwards image as a working man's man who feels the concern of working class familiies. If John Edwards was to go to New Orleans today and tell folks that he shares their pain and at the same time lets them know about the super multi-million dollar palatial estate he's building in North Carolina, folks there sure would look at him very differently. I can guarantee you that. From a political point of view, it's not smart politics.


by rosebowl on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:19:10 PM EST
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Re: Missing my point (none / 0)

He sold two houses, one in Raleigh and one in Washington, that together are worth more than this one is.

Yes, yes, I hear you, he should have bought a cold-water flat in Siler City and disturbed his neighbors with the Secret Service.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:23:16 PM EST
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Re: Matt, you answered your own question (3.00 / 1)

A few thought on this "issue". My guess is that they built this home at this time simply for family reasons. It is clear from reading the book Elizabeth wrote that their previous home was filled with memories of their son who died...and their dark days trying to cope with his loss.

If I were in their position (and as their young children grow up), I would want a change of scene. Also, this home provides Elizabeth with increased opportunities for her recovery and continued health (e.g. the pool and its help with her lymphedema).

Another point ....I have been told by a former member of the Secret Service that neighbors of candidates under protection are not always gracious about the inconveniences they have to suffer. Maybe this happened to the Edwards at their former home in Raleigh?

John's "Two Americas" theme should not in and of itself make this a "swiftboat" type of issue. Why don't we just start examining the homes, boats, cars, jewelry etc. of everyone as they declare?


by asmalltowngirl on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:24:19 AM EST
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Right-Wing Smear (3.00 / 1)

Seems to me that Edwards didn't exercise very good political judgement in moving into a palatial home just as he embarks on a campaign for the Presidency, especially since the "Two Americas" theme is the centerpiece of his platform.  What was he thinking?   That nobody would take notice of the big shiny new house?  If he gets the nomination the media will be streaming images of that house 24/7 for months on end.  


by global yokel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:48:51 AM EST

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THahk you for your concern, troll.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:23:09 AM EST
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Re: Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Why is this a troll post?

One can agree that you don't have to take a vow of poverty to care about the poor, and that the critique of Edwards along these lines is bullshit... and still wonder at Edward's political judgment about this.

Think about it this way: Nobody in their right mind thinks that if somebody windsurfs it means they would make a crappy president. But Kerry still showed a whole boatload of poor judgment by going windsurfing.


by Joe Gabriel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:41:34 PM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

The 11th Commandment - "Though shalt not speak ill of another Democrat".


by bushsucks on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:59:05 AM EST

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I'm so uncomfortable with this idea. Shouldn't our ability to engage in criticism of ourselves be encouraged rather than stifled?

Let's say there is something very wrong about buying a big house and then talking about poverty. If that's the case, doesn't almost any ethical system beyond the most reductive utilitarianism require that we ignore the party affiliation of the homebuyer?

Can't we be better than the Republicans?


by CT student on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:19:10 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Yeah, windsurfing is just so chi-chi. But, falling off a "stand on scooter" is okay.

Yep, it takes superb athletic ability and eye hand coordination to wrestle that scooter and make it submit to your will.

Can't we be better than the Republicans?

You do that by beating them, not repeating their coventional wisdom and wringing your hands.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 06:45:02 AM EST
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Beat em to a pulp (none / 0)

Read Krugman "On Being Partisan": http://select.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/opi nion/26krugman.html?n=Top%2FOpinion%2FEd itorials%20and%20Op-Ed%2FOp-Ed%2FColumni sts%2FPaul%20Krugman

You see, the nastiness of modern American politics isn't the result of a random outbreak of bad manners. It's a symptom of deeper factors -- mainly the growing polarization of our economy. And history says that we'll see a return to bipartisanship only if and when that economic polarization is reversed.

Krugman and myself and others are admonishing, or more accurately, challenging our candidates "not to make nice" with the Republicans.  Edwards is our only viable class warrior right now and the powers that be will marginalize him. They've now thrown in Richardson to try and pull away Hispanic and Western votes.  And don't ask me who "they" are, but they are scary dudes.  I remember 1968.  We the grass tips and roots must watch Edwards'back.


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by Feral Cat on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:03:51 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

The 11.141592624th Commandment - "Though shalt not use right wingnut sound bites, talking points, or memes to speak ill of another Democrat".


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 06:30:38 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)


by bushsucks on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:59:15 AM EST

One of the memes the right puts out (none / 0)

I can't ever watch FNC for longer than 13 minutes before I hear it repeated over and over again:

A vote for the iraq war resolution was a vote for war.


by Stewieeeee on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:01:45 AM EST

tussle (none / 0)

revealed RFK's property, not a total waste of time.

1147 Chain Bridge Rd, McLean VA in live.com gets you a look at the total property including pool and tennis court.


by dblhelix on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:07:42 AM EST

I think the Republicans are unwise if they... (3.00 / 1)

...try to really drive home this message: "If you're rich, you must not give a damn about the common man." Rocks, glass houses, and all that.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:25:25 AM EST

Re: I think the Republicans are unwise if they... (none / 0)

To those who suggest that you cannot be wealthy and still do good for people in distress I have three words:

Franklin Delano Rosevelt.


by Sam I Am on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:32:58 AM EST
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Re: Taking the Madam Clinton Approach (none / 0)

Yesterday, Madam Clinton said there were no do overs and ducked questions about her vote on Iraq, and moreover, she said she was considered to look weak otherwise if she recanted.  Go look at Bleedingheartland (and Iowa blog) about this (it's down at the moment).

Unlike I've seen on the DU, I don't expect anyone to beg for forgiveness, however, I do think saying s/he is "wrong" (as Edwards did on his vote for the AMUF) would be an acceptable step.  But this commenter appreciates saying that a blogger fell for a stupid RWN message to be in the right direction.


by benny06 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:26:14 AM EST

Sheesh. (none / 0)

   Blog readers are such hardasses.  You've made thousands of posts over many years for very little money.  This site is much better than any print or TV media.  You've certainly inspired me to participate in politics.  And so you attacked Edwards a little too hard.  My goodness.  As an Edwards supporter: so what?  I'm sure I'll read a dozen more excellent posts from you in the next week.  Do we have any sense of humor left?  


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:29:07 AM EST

Don't Sweat It (none / 0)

They all have big houses these days but it is the kind of thing Woody Guthrie wrote songs about.  Good to see there is a little bit of Wobblie in a true progressive Democrat, I reckon.  Me too.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:51:53 AM EST

You and Edwards have 2 things in common (3.00 / 2)

First --- you both were conned by rightwingers

Second --- you both admitted you were wrong (he on IWR vote, you on this misrepresentation article)----

EDWARDS was born poor and became rich, but that should not negate him as being unqualified in advocating for those living in poverty and less fortunate.    He talks about issues that other candidates don't even care to mention and if the message resonates and translates into votes, then that makes him qualified.  

     Besides, if Edwards is elected President he will not be the first wealthy president to advocate for those less fortunate (both presidents named Roosevelt (Theodore and Franklin Delano) were born wealthy, but that didn't stop them from helping the less fortunate.

   I am quite familiar with biographies on Theodore Roosevelt and know that his father came from inherited wealth in Manhattan but that didn't stop him from being a tireless champion for the poor and handicapped and less fortunate in New York City.  Noblesse oblige
     


by Progressive Populist on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:57:23 AM EST

Righties (none / 0)

are good with their smears.  I fell too at times so I will not cast the first stone.


Gandhi - "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
by HCLiberal on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:58:03 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

John Edwards WAS a millworkers son, he WAS the first in his family to go to college, he then become a lawyer and made a lot of money.  We should be happy for people who move up the ladder so far as Edwards.
We Democrats are not against people being rich.  We are against people being poor.  And if you earn your wealth, you are entitled to it much more than someone like FDR who inherited it.
And I have to point out the obvious, that the ranks of Democratic politicians are filled with wealthy people, they are not the exception.  People like like NED LAMONT, Herb Kohl, Ron Wyden, John Kerry, the Kennedys, the Clintons, Maria Cantwell, Feinstein, whats his name... the Governor of New Jersey, etc.  Wealthy people who agree with us are sought out because they can self-finance.  We can't separate ourselves from the wealthy, nor should we.  We are not a party that advocates for only the poor, or the working class, or the middle class, or all three, instead we advocate for all people, and we want to see the lives of all people improve.  Even the rich.
"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:14:40 AM EST

Good for you (none / 0)

For admitting to an error, you'd never see that in the right-wing noise machine.

Also, what did Edwards say about Iran?


by delmoi on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:33:49 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (2.00 / 2)

I am in no way a John Edwards supporter but I am as interested in his campaign strategy as anyone else's.  Political strategy is an important asset to bring to the Whitehouse as President, and that includes words, actions, wisdom and timing.

John Edwards, didn't built a house, he built a complex.  And he began constructing the complex at the same time he was defining himself as the anti-poverty candidate.  In other words, he handed the Repubs a total gift - a perfect opportunity to smear him.  Bad timing John Edwards.

John Edwards handed a petition to Congress that was signed by tens of thousands of anti-war supporters and within hours presented a speech to the Israeli who's-who that was the most aggressive speech I have read from an American politician regarding Iran.  Bad timing.  

On Saturday January 27, 2007, major anti-war protests took place, with the largest protest happening in Washington, D.C.  That protest got a lot of press coverage.  Where was John Edwards on that day?  He was taking part in John Edwards National Day of Energy Action with many of his supporters, who had been urged to join in.  Not only did his supporters miss out on the anti-war protests but the National Day of Energy Action got zero press coverage. Nada. None.  Bad timing and a really stupid oversight by the man who has defined himself as the anti-war candidate.

I couldn't personally care less whether John and Elizabeth Edwards need a house that is really a complex.  I find it amusing that they have everything built into their complex but a tanning spa and a drugstore.  That is their own ostentatious business.  My concern is the absolutely unwise timing of everything John Edwards does. He is running for President of the United States and part of the requirement is good strategy and a team of strategists that take the time to look at a bloody calendar and not allow their candidate to miss a prime opportunity like the anti-war protest in Washington.  John Edwards should have been at that rally, with his petition, being photographed with all the celebrities in attendance.  Because that's what smart politicians with important messages do. Instead, he was winterizing a house, while his wife Elizabeth blogged about energy-efficient lightbulbs.

Lots of Edwards' supporters are complaining that John Edwards isn't getting enough attention from the MSM. I wonder why.

Hillary Clinton's the strategist. I can't find any flaws, so far, with anything she's been doing.  And that is what I expect.  


by marycontrary on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:00:54 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

"Hillary Clinton's the strategist. I can't find any flaws, so far, with anything she's been doing.  And that is what I expect."

You mean other than thinking an online campaign = putting her commercials online?   Or sounding, in every speech, like a Chicago dockworker inhaling helium?

You are so obviously a plant.  How much are you making from the Hillary campaign?

And thanks for your "WAAAAA< John Edwards didn't pay attention to what I THINK IS IMPORTANT" rant.

THe guy spends two months solid opposing the Iraq war, and then follows through on an energy efficiency event that was coordinated with chapters of his operation nationwide, and you are mad he didn't give yet another speech to the converted?

Go jump ina lake.  Who needs you?


by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:27:44 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Wow, you are very good at detecting plants.

Am I one as well?


by Joe Gabriel on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:46:07 PM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Hillary "the strategist" was holding a rally in Iowa on Saturday that succeeded in drawing media attention away from the anti-war protests.
While she may not be the anti-war candidate, she's not the prowar candidate either (cough weathervane) so she doesn't get a pass for diminishing the impact of the protests in the media.
by johnalive on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:20:59 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (3.00 / 1)

I can't find any flaws, so far, with anything she's been doing.  And that is what I expect.

Those two sentences about sum it up.


Join us at Show Me Progress!
by clarkent on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:23:32 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

First, let me say that it takes a really big person to admit they were wrong.  This is one of the things that really bothers me about people today.  Many would rather go on knowing they are wrong and destroying a decent and honorable man that admitting they were wrong and for that admission, I tip my hat to you.  Thanks, Matt, for being a human being and admitting it.

Secondly, this should, hopefully, point out to others that the right wing conservatives are scared to death of John Edwards.  They want to destroy him in the primary because when he comes up against them in the general election, he has a better chanc than most.  So, they want to be absolutely certain that the strongest candidates get wiped out by their lies and smears early on.  We, the America voters, have to decide whether we are going to accept their low scummy word for their lies or whether we are going to go even a second mile to make sure they aren't using one of their 'Carl Rove' tactics on us.  God help us and our country if we don't stop them and their smear machines soon.  I honestly believe our country is at risk.  In the '50's and '60's, our country was greatly concerned with Russian Prime Minister Nakita Kruschev.  During that era, Kruschev stated that 'America will go down without a single bullet being fired.'  Those of us who remember that era can still feel the chill of those words.  I fear they are even more applicable to the Carl Rove smear machines that plant lies and watch them grow.

Again, Matt, thanks for being a man and standing up against them.  John Edwards was my Senator and I can tell you that he was/is the most honest politician I have ever seen.  Please help us rebuilt what these vicious lies have done to destroy his image.  I have always heard that you can destroy in a few minutes what it takes years to build and that is true.  I will leave you with a paraphrased statement from Viktor Frankl author of 'Man's search for Meaning' when he said 'America has the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast.  They should also establish the 'Statue of Responsibility' on the west coast.  So, with the ability to influence comes the responsibility to influence with truths.  You have admitted your mistake and done so with honor.  Let's move forward and get John Edwards in the White House.  


by Carolina Voice on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:31:27 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

johnalive wrote:
"Hillary "the strategist" was holding a rally in Iowa on Saturday that succeeded in drawing media attention away from the anti-war protests."
______

Exactly.  All the more reason for John Edwards not to let her steal thunder that could have been his.  Any candidate who doesn't focus on strategy is doomed.  Thank you for helping me make my point.  Now, if you want a President who isn't an excellent strategist, fine.  I don't.


by marycontrary on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:31:57 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Yeah, I want a preprogrammed droid without an ounce of conviction.  bring her on.  Can't wait to vote for her.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:29:08 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Hillary gets free thunder right now from the press because she only recently announced, so she's still considered news. She get's additional props for being the first woman. That's not strategy, that's news cycle and the news judgment of others.
Hil and her strategists should have been more careful with their thunder not to upstage the protests. Good strategy means not running roughshod over national political events bringing attention to a position supported by 85-plus percent of Democrats. Perhaps this kind of strategy is the reason why Kate Michelman is supporting Edwards.
by johnalive on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 08:00:53 AM EST

Breaking Blue (none / 0)

You should take down your breaking blue post Matt.


by adamterando on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 08:59:47 AM EST

Stay on message (none / 0)

The right wing has stayed on message, beginning with Goldwater:
'less govt, cut taxes, liberals are blah-blah-blah.'

Liberals (now self-renamed 'progressives') are moved by the wind, or currrent media frenzy.

Today, it's the right  bashing of a house owned by John Edwards.
Our even discussing this bash gives the right more atention, therefore more juice and therefore more energy.

Also, we get sidetracked.  I feel scattered, and that we are all scattered.  We get sucked into their chatter and propaganda.
A lot of our progressive media do this, from The Nation to Air America Radio.

In the future, let's ignore their rant, and STAY ON MESSAGE: progressives make good  govt, which makes for good policy.
We need a national energy and health-care policy, and progressives can deliver because we believe public policy can make a positive difference.


by dogenman on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:00:25 AM EST

Well done. (none / 0)

I have to say your Breaking Blue posts really threw me because I had just read about it at BlueNC, and it didn't seem like a big deal. I understand the betrayal thing, though. The problem is when we create these idealized pictures of our preferred candidates, and then they get shattered because they were never realistic. I'm afraid that a lot of people have set Gore up as some progressive super-hero in their minds, and will feel the same betrayal at some point if he decides to run.


The truth about John McCain.
by Jawis on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:01:56 AM EST

Good work! (none / 0)

You messed up.  You admitted it with details.

That's the best any of us get to do!  Good Job!

As for Edwards, he lost me on Iran, probably for good.  Preemptive war is not negotiable for me.  Unless, of course, he decides to follow your good example.


by Heraclitus on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:02:22 AM EST

Re: Good work! (none / 0)

Out of curiosity: if country X has nuclear weapons directed towards America and their dictator is telling us that he will push the button in 24 hours no matter what we do - should we not attack preemptively?

I am just trying to understand how you are thinking.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:15:20 PM EST
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Welcome To The Cold War (none / 0)

US policy in this respect has been endlessly debated in the context of the Cold War standoff between nuclear capable powers, by better minds than our current crop of neoconservative analysts, I might add.  God help us if they have had any impact on these clearly defined policies that lead us any further down the path to preemption than the already Strangelovian realities of Mutually Assured Destruction.  Here is a recent precis of these policies.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:56:15 AM EST
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PS (none / 0)


Significantly, President Bush is constrained under law from changing unilaterally the alert posture of U.S. strategic forces...  Unless the President challenges the constitutionality of Congressional edicts, any White House decisions on the U.S. nuclear posture will require efforts to build a consensus on Capitol Hill.

    National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book  William Burr, Editor  April 2001

Thank goodness for that!


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:12:31 AM EST
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Ooopps! (none / 0)

Just to set the record straight I did a little more snooping around and discovered , to my dismay, that POTUS has re-written the SIOP (OPLAN) to allow for exactly the preemptive 'strategic' mission you consider.

Why isn't 'no first use' a reasonable alternative policy position for a progressive Democrat to propose, I wonder?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:13:12 PM EST
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Edwards's Life (none / 0)

Kudos on your thoughtful retraction, Matt.  I am neither an Edwards supporter nor loather, but I thought that demanding a candidate with a progressive economic agenda be expected to live below his means was a bit over the top.  Some of the most progressive political leaders in the history of this country, of course, have either been men of great wealth or subsidized by those with an interest in making the country better.    


by madorskytapir on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:03:50 AM EST

Who cares where it was sourced and packaged? (none / 0)

The Carolina Journal is a publication put out by the John Locke Foundation, a local right-wing think tank the North Carolina blogger warned me about.  From there, the story, or non-story rather, was passed to the Drudge Report where it was widely linked.

I fail to see how who published the material about Edwards estate is relevant in the least.  The compound (I really don't think there's a more appropriate word...that monstrosity sure ain't a "house") was assessed at $6 million.  It's a $6 million estate whether the New York Times carries the information or The John Locke Society Weekly.

Edwards earned his money by working hard and can invest his money however he wants.  He's been intent on running for President in 2008 since 2004.  He obviously knew he would have to answer for Neverland, North Carolina.

I think the strangest part of all of this is not the square-footage of his house, but, rather, that he plowed down such sprawling acreage and built an estate buffered by miles and miles of forest.  One America and all that, as long as I don't have to live next door to it.

But I encourage John Edwards to continue working to build his one America.  Then maybe he'll invite us all over to Neverland, NC for a game of squash.


by Laurin from SC on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:41:17 AM EST

Who cares where it was sourced and packaged? (none / 0)

Their home is clearly an estate, but he'll only have to "answer" for it if people on the left keep smearing him for it. Edwards never pretended to belong to the impoverished America. He only claims to understand the working class and care for their well being.

You attack him for cutting trees to build the house, and for preserving them. What gives? They preserved the majority of 102 acres of forest, which is great for the environment. And before you continue attacking the eco-friendliness of the home go here: http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/1 /26/15303/2358 Elizabeth Edwards has you covered.


The truth about John McCain.
by Jawis on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:08:16 AM EST
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Re: Who cares where it was sourced and packaged? (none / 0)

Where did I "attack the eco-friendliness" in the first place?  I don't know enough about "eco-friendliness" to attack someone on it, believe me.  My family farms pine trees and plows them down on a regular basis (on rotation and replanting more).

The comment about the trees had to do with my personal opinion that it's a little strange to wanna live smack in the middle of miles and miles of pine trees.  But that's their prerogative.


by Laurin from SC on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:25:52 AM EST
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Re: Who cares where it was sourced and packaged? (none / 0)

Yeah, an internationally prominient politician with two children under 7 sure wouldn';t want to live where security would be easier, would he?


by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:25:40 PM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (2.00 / 2)

You willingly fell for the smear. Pathetic. lieberman-esque.Edwards has been perfect on just about every issue, and after admitting that his IWV was a mistake, does it really surprise anyone that he feels the need to bolster his tough guy credentials.As much as i respect your intellect, Matt, your inability to see the forest through the trees is baffling.


by tommy on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:43:39 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

You can't willingly fall for a smear.  You either fall for it (unwillingly), or willingly go along with it knowing it is a smear.  And I don't think you mean to imply the latter.

People mess up.  Perhaps we should forgive them and hope it isn't our turn in the barrel next.


by Heraclitus on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:04:59 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Agree...
Give all the candidates the benefit of doubt. Except  for Hillary.
by carrieboberry on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:09:05 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Matt,

You are an opinion elite.  You half admit to this fact when you refer to yourself as a "grasstop."  That's an honest and commendable admission.  What I find disconcerting is that you are uncomfortable emotionally with your role as opinion-maker, and that leads you to REact with the freedom of "lassallean" or another random grassroots activist/occasional blog commentator.  Your role is far too important to be so reactive with your writing.  You have a responsibility to not let your emotions paint people wildly with broad brushes just because they disappoint you on one particular occasion.  I understand that this post is all about recognizing this point, but I have noticed that you do it compulsively.  Your style can be very caustic and er.. "emotional."  You are apparently used to your idols falling, and the minute they show a crack you just tear them the rest of the way down.  Please be kinder to our own.  There are certain people, like HRC or Lieberman, who are definitely NOT progressive.  But we see signs of hope in some candidates, like Edwards, who need to be encouraged rather than villified the moment they stray from your perception of the ideal candidate.  The last thing we want is a potentially progressive candidate throwing up his hands because of bad experiences with cantankerous activists making ad hominem attacks.  I have worked for progressive radio, and we are notoriously good at eating our own at the first sign of faithlessness with our cause.  It's wrong, and it's a reason why the right wins.


"ex nihilo nihil fit"
by Lassallean on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:23:51 AM EST

Keeping an Even Keel (none / 0)

Matt, you are to be commended for listening, learning and posting your changed perspective.  You have my respect.

Lassallean, I tend to agree with you on this. Matt is in a position of some influence.  As such, it would be a good idea for Matt to take a deep breath before posting wildly emotional, broad brush posts like these.  I do not think this "story" deserved such a wildly emotional post in the first place.  

It also true that if "the timing" of the emotional post is being dicatated by some right wing smear campaign, then a progressive blogger might appropriately think twice about helping the Rethugs with their effort, and avoid synchronously trumpeting their talking points.

But assuming you get past the hysteria, and the Rethug timing issues, at some point, I do not think there is nothing to discuss here.  I do not begrudge a discussion of the issue at all:  just keep an even keel and try to work through the issues intelligently.

Having studied up on Edwards, read his books, seen dozens of his speeches, spoken to his friends, and taken the full measure of the man, in person, on many occasions, I think his building of a large, new house means absolutely nothing about what kind of President he will be.  He will be a very good one, and he will fight for the average person like no other President we have seen in modern times.  That is what he loves to do.    

And BTW, I do not say this as some worshipper of the man. He has good days and bad days just like all of us. And he breathes oxygen...just like you and me.


by Demo37 on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:01:14 AM EST
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Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

The house thing doesn't bother me so much, because homes are both a place to live and an investment. At least it wasn't stock in Wal Mart. What does trouble me is his necon like stance on Iran. The Manchester Guardian published a really good article on the shambles that the Iranian enrichment program has become, not to mention the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that they actually are engaged in a weapons program. I have written more than one newspaper about these problems that are handicapping Iran's energy program, not to mention crippling completely any possible weapons program and there haven't been any replies from those I have written, let alone anything in print in any newspaper. Drinking this kind of kool aid could be a deal breaker for Edwards and I.


by Retired Catholic on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:08:08 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Color me disgusted at both his arrogance and strategically poor sense. What is wrong with these politicians that they don't feel the need to live their values? Two Americas is a great message for most Americans, but apparently not John Edwards.

I mean, I get the fact that wealthy people live in nice houses, and I don't really care that much. But what is with constructing a massive palatial estate at the same time as you are running a campaign based on poverty?

Matt, which of these sentences you wrote is wrong?

It is arguably arrogant to build a house for 6 million dollars, and it is monumentally stupid political timing.  I don't know if I buy the two Americas rhetoric but his house in North Carolina is worth 25 times mine, and I live in the high-priced Northeast.  But if he's right, he lives in the 6 million dollar house America.

Who and what you are speaks louder than what you say in politics.  It's actually a smart tax move to build the house; the future gain is easier to exclude than on some other investments.  And if I had the money he had, I would probably spend it on a big old house too.  But I would not run on class warfare for President or for dog catcher.

Even if I am wrong about the foregoing, however, excessive scrupulosity only aids the Right.  While you were worried about your sin of criticizing Edwards' strategic and tactical choices and doing public penance for the same, your less skilled counterpart on the Right was working productively on conservative projects.


by Crablaw on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:21:42 AM EST

Thanks for clearing that up. (none / 0)

Stay warm in Iowa, (I wouldn't suggest Ice Fishing)  - Hope you are getting to check out all the candidates there, and I hope John Edwards is at the top of the list.


Check out the New Progressive Blog EENRBLOG
by dk2 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:39:05 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

They have started coming on here in the form of someone named bccoggins resently. It seems to be their new tact


by orin76 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:40:38 AM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

Thanks, Matt. We don't see this type of self analysis very often. I'm not accusing you of this, but I always worry when we repeat Right wing talking points. We'll say he or she can't be elected or that they have too much baggage, essentially doing the Right Wing's work for them. And is it possible for Edwards to build a $6 m home and care about two Americas? I'll feel free to criticize him when I move my family from the suburbs to the most crime-prone area of the city, where I grew up but don't presently reside.
by niksder on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:01:25 PM EST

How Much Slack Should Be Cut? (none / 0)

Edwards had to know he would be "Slick Willied". Getting these mini-character issues out early is not a bad thing at all. Getting them out and aired in a sympathetic venue is even better. Where would we be today if Kerry was "swift-boated" this early four years ago?

Where is the turn around from the Edwards people?  Where is the refocus back to the message? After all isn't he running on a message about work being rewarded? Isn't he saying that he is striving for an America where everyone who works hard and catches a couple of breaks has a chance for the very success he obtained?

That is what I find depressing about this little dust up.


by Judeling on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:14:33 PM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

NOTE THIS:  The right wing media has smeared EVERY Dem running so far.  The Dems need a candidate that fights back and knows how to fight back against this.

We have to fight these personal attacks and focus instead on policy.  Every Republican candidate except Brownback supports the Bush Iraq policy and wants the US to STAY in Iraq.  Every Dem wants the US to LEAVE Iraq.  

This is a message and we need to ram it home.


by bakho on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:18:52 PM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

my problem with the frame is that we must take a vow of poverty to care- is that really where you want this to degenerate ? all movements eventually grow old and die, don't hasten the early death of this movement by requiring not only that someoen agree with you ont he political issues, but they must look, talk, and act exactly like you as well. that ist he real hubris of the right.


by bruh21 on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 03:39:02 PM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

I am not the biggest Edwards fan, but I think it is silly of us to make a big deal about his house. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the fruits of your labor. That said, Edwards still has a problem.  Iraq and poverty are the bedrocks of his campaign.  By building this mansion, while talking about poverty, he has painted a bullseye on his chest for the Repubs, and obviously some of us on the left, to take aim. Poor strategy.      


by Kingstongirl on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:39:40 PM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

If I read this correctly, anyone who spoke at the Herzliya conference is a neo-conservative even if they are Israeli?


The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:52:18 PM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

It should be possible to develop an "early warning system" against such tripe wherever it comes from. We did it at the Dean Defense Force back in 1983. I think a little cooperation among post-83 sites like Dailykos, MyDD, Media Matters etc. could do the same thing this time.

We just need someone to fund a coordinator's position...


by Dana Blankenhorn on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:06:44 PM EST

Re: How I Fell For a Right-Wing Smear (none / 0)

1)  Building the house was stupid.  Never mind the Republican spin about it.  You can be sure that one of his primary challengers will use it too, when the real campaign starts.  And if he's the nominee, sure, his Republican opponent will use it too.  

But the real deal-breaker for me is this.

2)  As a Jew, I cannot forgive John Edwards for openly kowtowing to the very neocons we've been fighting for all these years.  I am so sick and tired of these shadowy fatcats (who are FAR FROM a majority of Jews) defining what is and what is not anti-Semitic.  It shows me that John Edwards can be bought.  Sorry.  I liked many of the things Edwards has been saying, but this goes too far.

And somebody needs to call him on it.  Matt, I'm glad you were bothered by it and admit you were bothered.  But upset that you excused it so easily.  By going along with these sorts of politics, you perpetuate the situation where the Democrats cannot achieve clarity on Iraq, resort to fuzzy half-measures, and make only ineffective criticism of the Republicans.  Ask yourself why the strongest critics of Bush's Iraq policy are found among Republicans, and why no Democrat dares to be as bold as Hegel.


by sTiVo on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 06:05:16 AM EST


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