Will Nevada Matter?

In its current construction, the 2008 Democratic presidential calendar is as follow:
  • January 14th (Monday): Iowa
  • January 19th (Saturday): Nevada
  • January 22nd (Tuesday): New hampshire
  • January 29th (Tuesday): South Carolina
  • February 5ht: Super Early tuesday
The Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primaries have little inherent power to help or hurt candidates in and of themsevles. Delegate-wise, these contests are minimal. What gives them their power is the huge amount of media attention leading up to the contests, and the far more massive news coverage that occurrs onces the contests are over. With no other contests taking place either before IA / NH or at the same time as IA / NH, candidates are branded winners and losers, insurgents and stumblers, frontrunners and also-rans based almost solely on how they perform in these two states. These two early contests derive their power from the impact they have upon the larger media marraative. Candidates spend so much time and money competing in these states in order to drive a favorable media marrative heading into later contests.

With no real time for the media to develop a narrative around the Nevada caucuses, I have a difficult time seeing how they will have a major impact on the media narrative, and thus the nomination process. Because they take place on a Saturday, only three days before the New Hampshire primary, at best they will be the focus of news of one weekend. Due to the lack of media attention, and due to the proximity to to the New Hampshire primary, many candidates, especially top tier candidates, might choose to ignore the Nevada caucuses. With fewer big name candidates making a serious play in Nevada, the contest will be the focus of even less media coverage. In a vicious circle, even fewer candidates might end up making a serious play as a result. It strikes me as highly unlikely that Nevada will ever turn into an all out battleground, even for a single day, where every top tier candidate makes a stand.

So, what will happen in Nevada? One possibility is that it might end up becoming the pet project of a single candidate, ala Steve Forbes and his "Delaware strategy" in 1996. However, in order for that to happen, someone will have to ignore either Iowa or New Hampshire, so I doubt whoever does that will come from the top-tier. A second possibility is for the state to become dominated by independent groups not officially affiliated with any party. After all, this is a caucus state, and the extremely low, activist heavy turnout leaves a big opening for groups that can mobilize people on the ground (unions, local Dem parties, even maybe the netroots). That could be really interesting. A third possibility is that one or more candidates will try to compete here primarily through the airwaves, though not in person, meaning that the person with the most money and best ads will win.

Most likely, Nevada will end up being a combination of these three possibilities. It might be smart for second tier candidates to target a "better than expected" finish in Iowa coupled with a win in Nevada (this might especially be effective for Vilsack and Richardson). With the only poll on Nevada showing Clinton up 25 points, among the top tier she probably has the most to potentially gain from Nevada. Polls already show her struggling in Iowa and New Hampshire, and a win in Nevada would help stave off the bad press poor showings in those states could cause. In fact, as the national poll frontrunner with little to gain from Iowa and New Hampshire, it might even be smart for Clinton to just target Nevada, South Carolina, and then February 5th. If she pulled out of Iowa and New Hampshire, it would seriously reduce the momentum any other candidate would gain from those states, while giving her a less obstructed path in the states where she does compete.

Ahh, interesting stuff. In the end, however, I doubt Nevada will have a major impact on the process. South Carolina, which is the only contest between New Hampshire and Super Early Tuesday, is probably a very different story. Whatever the case, there is one thing I know for sure: speculating on the different twists and turns the process could take, as well as the different strategies various campaign could employ, is a nearly unending source of pleasure for a political junkie such as myself. In the comments, I would love to hear your speculations on how it will all unfold, as well as any unusual strategies you think might work for one or more campaigns.



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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (3.00 / 1)

Chris, I think the basic thrust of your posting is accurate -- lots of people here (in Nevada) seem to think its going to be like Iowa but I've been skeptical. There have been efforts to begin to organize here by at least 3 campaigns, probably more; and when the rules become clear (to date they have not bee publicly announced), that may draw more in.

There's a lot of talk, here and elsewhere, about how important the unions will be, but no one has yet sorted it out in a way that I find convincing.

It will therefore matter for those campaigns that compete here -- which, I think you're right, are likely to be those which either need to jump-start their bid on friendlier terrain than Iowa (Richardson, Biden) and/or will want to build a narrative out of Iowa (Edwards).

But my view is that if California, FL, NJ, IL doe move up to Feb 5, that will make the entire early small state scenario much less important, especially for the better-funded candidates.


by desmoulins on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 07:53:27 PM EST

Re: Nevada is where Las Vegas is. Right? (none / 0)

You may be right.  But I'd hope the Dem candidates will put some real effort into Nevada.  In 2004, Kerry lost Nevada by only 21,500 votes.

Actually, all of the first three primary/caucus states were the epitome of purple in 2004.  In addition to Nevada, Kerry lost Iowa by 10,059 votes, and won NH by 9,274 votes.  These are three states we don't want to overlook.  Ditto New Mexico and Colorado, but nobody's overlooking Colorado.

(Off topic, Kerry lost New Mexico by 5,988 votes.  Between NV, IA, and NM, another 37,550 votes for Kerry would have tossed the 2004 election into the House.  There's not a huge chance that will happen in 2008, but you wouldn't want to ignore it, either.)


by RT on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:53:39 PM EST
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If california moves up (none / 0)

will anything that day on matter?


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 07:55:04 PM EST

I think so (none / 0)

On election night, results will be in for the big states in the East and that's what everyone will be talking about while they wait for California.  So California won't dominate ALL the media coverage.
 
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by John DE on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 08:44:53 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (3.00 / 2)

PS. I think that poll was silly; if you read the ARG methodology, its based on those who declare they are likely to participate, not based on either past participants in a state caucus or even past participants in primaries. In short, its a name ID poll.


by desmoulins on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 07:55:35 PM EST

Agreed, the ARG caucus polls look odd. (none / 0)

ARG's Iowa poll is way off the mark from all of the others -- it looks like ARG didn't run a nearly tight enough screen for that rarest of breeds, the "likely caucus-goer."

That puts ARG's Nevada poll in some doubt as well.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:29:39 AM EST
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Well Know More Later (3.00 / 1)

I think that about 2-3 months out or so there will be at least 2-3 candidates for whom Nevada will loom very big--either because they have no other choice, or because it looks like it could be part of a potent combo.

The rest will probably be looking much more at the traditional route plus Feb 5.

OTOH, in 2016 it could be make or break for whoever's elected VP in 2008.


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 08:26:23 PM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

I assume that Richardson focuses on Nevada, and that he has to win it.  Because to win the nomination, you have to be in the race after the first 3-4 primaries/caucuses, and that does require winning -- or seriously defying expectations (Edwards 2004).  

It makes a lot more sense for him to do that than to fight for 3rd or 4th in Iowa.


by Adam B on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 08:29:14 PM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

If Richardson won Nevada and some other mid-western states he could use the argument that he can bring those states along for the ride to stake his claim to a VP slot on the ticket.

Not saying I think that's likely though. I think Edwards may take NV.


by Quinton on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 09:06:25 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

Here's the thing: if Richardson doesn't win NV, then what's his path to the nomination?  


by Adam B on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 09:21:06 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

I don't see another path.  I agree: for Richardson, Nevada is make-or-break.


by RT on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:47:57 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

Hey Chris,

You are right that Nevada probably will not make much of a dent. However, all the advertising in the world will not have that much of an impact. As a Granite Stater (NH) it is the national Media who create their own hype. These idiots let it be known they think anyone who does not live near NYC or DC is too provincial for words, and man do they hate to be too far from their orbits in those two cities.

So at this point ANY venue not near enough for quick day or day and a half trips back to their bubble worlds, is too much of a hardship for them. Oh, and they will announce how important they are, and feel they have divine rights to ride rough shod over the native "hicks".

I had to work in NYC in January 2004, so I had to vote absentee. When I came back I found out it had been the worse "circus" ever. That the flatlanders brought by candidates from the outside were "pushy" as hell, and were a bunch of slobs who left tons of litter everywhere. I know Markos despises NH, and I attribute that to bad experiences in 2004, irrespective of all the rationale he uses. NH is a terrific place to live, with mostly sane, very erudite people  with lots of common sense and great ethical values. (Jim Tobin and his phone jamming were imports from Karl Rove and the RNC in 2002).

Best poltical story I have heard to date is that Biden went 2 times to TV STation WMUR, and 3 times to Union Leader newspaper to demand that Camera Men and reporters follow him.  NH does not do DEMAND well. So that and 2 Bucks, got Joe Biden a cup of coffee at Starbucks and NO press coverage.

Oh, you can all come to visit. We give you all the main routes and great hotels away from our everyday lives. Just please do not litter, tell us how to live, or overstay your welcome. We LIKE the fact we have only slightly over a million people, and are not looking for increases in population or housing development.


by Grandma M on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 08:34:06 PM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

But here's the thing, there are those kinds of people here in California, and in Reno, and Butte, MT.  New Hampshire doesn't, nor shouldn't, decide our Presidential nominees.

Yet they do because of the lazy press pundits, the media corporations who want pols to spend millions upon millions of dollars on crappy advertising as the one and only way to message themselves, and everybody else who buys into this notion about New Hampshire.  

Just look at the comments on this thread, Bill Richardson MUST win Nevada or else he's done, Hillary is doomed, etc etc etc.

That's why we need to get more states to matter, and the convention, because if we force to stupid press to cover more and more states because the "frontrunner" hasn't wrapped things up in February, if we force the press to cover the convention to see who wins, we get tons of publicity and coverage, and the corporations don't.


by Duckman GR on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 03:01:45 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

that is an incredibly pompous post.  NH doesn't want an increase in people?  But it's okay for YOU to live and breathe there?

That attitude doesn't translate well when you consider that NH is so lily white it almost reflects sunlight.

Coming from an ethnicity that is the largest minority now in the country, I resent it big time that some white folk who have never seen a person of color in their lives decide who my leader will be, not just once, but EVERY single election.

And I used to live right by the Strawberry Banke in Portsmouth so don't say I don't know about your state.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:29:06 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

jgarcia,

How did you construe my remarks as relating to people of color? Don't know when you left NH, but we have many Latino's, Serbs, Cambodians, Indonesians etc. My comment about increase in population, meant hordes of people moving in from out of state-Color IS NOT the issue. Numeric increase in people IS the issue.

And you should know this about me - Lionel Johnson, who was Black, was for years one of my best friends until he passed on in June 2004. Lionel STARTED Martin Luther Kind Day in NH. He was a State Rep for over 25 years, and the ENTIRE state shut down for his funeral. His daughter Vanessa, with whom I am still in touch, is STILL receiving awards for all her dad did.

Yes even though I am "Lily White", I was on the NAACP Board in NH because of all my work with International Students of ALL colors at the Colleges.

I also worked settling the SE Asians, whom Clinton literally dumped into the state during the 90's with no Federal Help.

Please - Bigotry is not just a "lily white" phenomena. It seems to be prevalent at times across color lines.


by Grandma M on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 03:10:22 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

I apologize.  However, you can understand how some people can feel about the provincial, unwelcoming-to-outsiders attitude of some places.  Trust me, it is NOT endearing.  

We are the United States.  If your economy is good and so are your schools, people are going to come and there's nothing you can do about it.  I lived in Phoenix for many years and, trust me, we had to out up with many many people from NH and MA and everywhere else who expected the red carpet rolled out for them.

If it were up to me, I'd take away NH and IA's roles in the primary purpose.  I think it is racist to have those non-diverse place picking the entire country's nominees.  I know the individuals in those states may be great people, but we need diversity in choosing.  It is 2007 afterall.

Btw, i do love you state's motto.  Classic.  So, sorry if I offended you.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 03:49:04 PM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

Apology accepted. There is a REASON we prefer that less people move in and its usually handled by some really ridiculous zoning laws.

We LIKE our way of life. Community is everything in NH. Out of staters who come precisely for the quality of life, bulldoze our land rather than selectively build, usually work in Massachusetts where wages are higher, wreck the environment, then have the audicity to tell us that ANY problem can be solved by throwing money at it.

NH people are proud, and we EXPECT people to be come involved in the betterment of their communities. Business coming into NH are required to give employees time off to help teach in the schools, coach sports or do something to contribute their energy. Slackers who think throwing other peoples money away is the solution, usually wear out their welcome quickly.

So to preserve our sense of fairness, ability to solve our own problems, and yes especially our environment - we are rather snobbish and selective.

I just wish people who have this idea of "lily white" would visit NH. Granted there is not the diversity of large cities elsewhere such as Phoenix, but that is because Manhester, the largest city, still has only around 100,000 people. Yet still we do have tons of diversity, celebrate it with street fairs, and block parties, and each of us individually has made major influxes of different populations integrated, without the assistance of money or "help" from the Federal Government. Just because we are not blatant or spend money on hype or PR to advertise, does not mean divesity does not exist. You just need to visit the malls and restaurants and schools to see it. I think the greatest advantage of NH being a bellweather for politics, is the fact that due to a good school system the people are erudite. Politicans cannot not hide by being on a stage or surrounded by security or any other mechanism they use to avoid seriously interacting with the masses. We simply don't tolerate it.

A little humor on that last. When Clinton was running in 1992 there was a deepening recession. A ten year old confronted Bill on Elm St.(the main downtown street) of Manchester NH. The boy said he was the oldest of 6 kids, then pointed to his jeans with holes in the knees, and his frayed winter coat, and demanded to know what Clinton was going to do about his father and mother losing their factory jobs (factories closing), and about kids like him who had to shovel snow and mow lawns to help out. Clinton stood there like a fish gasping for oxygen. He could not believe that a kid not only had the audacity to walk up and confront a very important person, but who was totally coherent, respectful, yet insisted on receiving real answers when Clinton flubbed his first two responses and tried to blow the kid off. NH people are not impressed by "star power", we don't care who you may think you are, we demand to know in real terms exactly how you plan to handle given issues.

The quiet, sane, way we interact, and the maintenance of the environment is burned into our souls. While I have traveled and worked in several states, my heart always longs for NH. It is there that I feel safe, and a sense of serenity. Yet I am no different than any other "native". We welcome those who want to truly integrate into our way of life. Unfortuantely most simply want not only the benefits, but choose not to do a DAMNED thing to contribute and just show up at local meetings to criticize. They are a problem, rather than part of the solution.

I do understand a sort of competitiveness where each state would like the greater attention. But don't you think that the politicians being forced to interact directly with people is part of the reason for the attention?  And, if all the primaries are grouped close together, voters do not get a real opportunity to really KNOW the politicians and how they handle different situations. You sort of get a 90 day Blitz, like they have in Europe, then have to suffer the results if say someone, like Hillary, is not put to a real stress test. Thats how we got into this mess with the Bush Corp-Karl Rove made it all smoke and mirrors, and we never got to see or learn about the real Bush family and their agenda. Remember Bush LOST the 2000 primary in NH. And it was because Bush was able to distance from interacting with people in other states, that allowed the MSM to gloss over, and not research, the Bush past.

Whew! Forgive the wordiness - you have a way of stirring up deep feelings.  Thats fine, but please expect us to express ourselves. We believe communicaton is a two way street. Okay by you?


by Grandma M on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 07:51:36 AM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

Chris, you deserve kudos for being the first blogger to point this out. The DNC, as a part of an attempt to appease New Hampshire activists, shoved Nevada off into a Saturday slot. Occurring on a Saturday guarantees that the media will default to staging their post Iowa coverage from New Hampshire, and will treat Nevada results as minor Sunday morning news talk show fare. The effect of Nevada however, I think, will be to allow whoever wins to be excepted from whatever happens in New Hampshire.


by blueflorida on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 08:35:51 PM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

Although unlikely, Al Gore has some interesting options if he does choose to run.  I believe a late start for him would actually the best route to go.  If I were he (and assuming he wants to run) then I would enter around september and announce that he's decided that his principles (on iraq, global warming, etc.) have to be fought for on the national stage.  Furthermore he should announce that its too late to compete in Iowa and New Hampshire so he's going to go all in for South Carolina and Feb. 5th.  He'll easily be able to raise enough money, despite a late start, to hit the airwaves around the country for 3 weeks solid in those states.


by wjr24 on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 09:12:29 PM EST

This struck me as odd. (none / 0)

candidates are branded winners and losers, insurgents and stumblers, frontrunners and also-rans

I can't recall candidates being called insurgents, at least not before the Cheney Misadministration.

Just a personal observation that struck me as odd.

The list seemed to miss long shots and klingons (the ones that stay in the race until the end of March despite polling and pulling in 1% or less of the vote).


by Disgusted in St Louis on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 10:01:28 PM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (3.00 / 1)

If Edwards wins Iowa, then Nevada, it will look like he has major momentum.  This is a very likely scenario.


by mbcarl on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 10:27:17 PM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

I agree with that. Nevada matters most if it mimics Iowa. Right now Edwards seems to be the most likely doubler.

Regardless, New Hampshire won't care, and do its own thing.  

Frankly, I wish Nevada would crap out the caucus aspect and become a more traditional primary. It might help Democratic registration and enthusiasm in southern Nevada, which is really lagging compared to the rural cow counties in this state.


by Gary Kilbride on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:48:40 AM EST
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There's really no excuse not to compete... (none / 0)

...in Iowa and New Hampshire. Tom Vilsack is polling third, he's not going to scare anyone off from Iowa. New Hampshire voters usually like to do their own thing. There's a year to win over the voters of these two states, which are the very definition of swing states.

If you can't run a winning campaign in swing states Iowa and New Hampshire, especially if you have more money than anyone else, then it's very doubtful you can run a winning campaign in a general election -- and no Democrat is going to have much, if any, advantage in money in the general election.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:25:21 AM EST

Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

The ARG poll, however poorly constructed, did rather give the game away. That is in a high turnout HRC wins. The question then becomes can she get these people out to vote. Well if there is a serious risk that she underperforms in Iowa and New Hampshire then she'll need a victory somewhere just to take her forward to Feb 5th. And that victory is hers for the taking in Nevada if they put in the effort.


by kundalini on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 06:02:15 AM EST

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But Nevada is a caucus state. We don't know the rules just yet but its much more likely to advantage someone like Edwards who will have a strong ground presence there.

And those ARG numbers will probably look very different 11 months from now.


by js noble on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 09:13:23 AM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

In a low turnout Edwards wins. In a high turnout HRC wins. That's all I'm saying.


by kundalini on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:52:57 AM EST
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That Makes Sense (none / 0)

Clinton has to stop the insurgents somewhere.  May be, she could use African American churches in Las Vegas to balance union support for Edwards.  If she can couple that with a strong outreach to Hispanics that might be enough with base support from women.

But I agree with you.  She would have to build an organization from scratch.  

And the people in the cow counties hate her.  Eastern Nevada is in the Salt Lake media market so there is no opportunity for her there.  She might even revive the sage brush rebellion :).


by Hellmut on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:57:30 AM EST
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Re: Will Nevada Matter? (none / 0)

While I normally agree with you, I have to differ on this issue.  Nevada will "matter" more than you are giving it credit for. The incentives for each candidate are unique and important to consider. NV is a do-or-die for Richardson, simple as that. Edwards has a strong incentive to compete here as well. Considering his lead in Iowa polls, SEIU/union support, and being the most outwardly progressive candidate he would have the money and organization to try and develop a 1-2 punch in the race for the nomination by winning both Iowa and NV.  For Hillary, it will be critical to win either Iowa or Nevada for one reason: the Sunday Morning shows.  the meme going into that Sunday will either be "Can Hillary be Stooped", "Hillary vs. (other winner)", or "Hillary Falters, Was It All Just Hype?".  So Hillary, particularly given her resources and her media-bestowed frontrunner status cannot skip a state and not be seen as dodging a fight and a sign of political weakness/inability to compete in the mountain west.  If Hillary and Edwards are competing, Obama must as well, and so goes the bandwagon of Presidential compaigns.


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