The State of the Progressive Movement

On the eve of the State of the Union, I figured it was time to broach a little something about the state of the progressive movement.  The state is fun, but honestly, it's pretty unhealthy.

Here's why.

Though the internet left has raised many millions for candidates, the dirty little secret of progressive activism is that there is literally no support for any of the people who make internet politics work.  Many effective activists don't have health care, and scrap along with whatever they can.  The right has a well-developed infrastructure, and that's why they tend to win.  They take care of their people.  We don't, and so our people quit, or leave, or become consultants, etc.  Now, there are lots of sob stories that are much much worse than anything progressive activists deal with, and that's not my point.  I want to make an argument about strategy, and why we need to reorient our priority towards funding people that make things happen.

This is best illustrated with an example: Lane Hudson.  Lane is the person who moved Mark Foley's scandalous behavior into the national discourse on a blog called Stop Sex Predators.  When it was discovered that he was responsible for pushing Foley into the national news, Lane was fired without severance from his position at the gay rights group where he worked, the Human Rights Campaign.  Were Lane on the right, he would be taken care of and put into a think tank, corporate job, or consulting shop, simply because he had proved that he is an incredibly valuable asset to the movement.  But on our side, though Lane arguably delivered Democrats control of Congress, he is unemployed and struggling to pay his rent.  I don't really need to point out that this is no way to run a movement.  

Lane is a hero and a leader, but he's being treated as refuse.  Think about this for a second.  The incentive baked into the cake if you are a progressive activist or Democrat is that under no circumstances here should you ever take a public risk; you'll sully your name and no one will help you.  Is it any wonder we have a party lacking leadership and built on caution?  

Though you may not realize it, you are helping in a small way to fix this problem.  Chris and I run Blogpac, and Blogpac cut Lane a $2000 check to help tide him over.  Blogpac has raised its money from you, mostly from being included on the netroots page in 2006.  In 2006, we took this money and used it on a few homegrown projects (like Use it Or Lose and Google-bombing the election), but mostly what we did is cut small but useful checks to activists doing great work who couldn't get money from rich people.  You can find a list here, on Blogpac's website.  It includes names you'll recognize, like Drinking Liberally, Blue America PAC, YearlyKos and Bluejersey.  Despite all the work they've done, these groups are just not funded.  As I read articles about a billion dollar Presidential campaign, I'm sickened by these strategically unwise investments.

It doesn't take a billion dollars to make a difference, it takes a smartly deployed and much smaller amount of money to do so.  Blogpac had some money left over from 2006 that we're using to pay Lane.  I'm asking you to help us ensure that we can keep doing so.

Here are the specific details.  Blogpac is trying to raise around $10K this week.  Here's where you can give.  We've gotten 49 donations totally slightly above $1400.  We need about 86 more of you to put up $100 to get to $10K.

About half of that is going to go to people like Lane, who really need it and have frankly earned it.  Lane put his name out there, risked his career, lost his job, and arguably delivered us Congress.  He deserves to be able to pay his rent at the very least.  About half of it will go to a 50 state blog network.  We think that supporting the local bloggers that deliver us better and higher quality information than the traditional media and operative class is critical to gaining and holding progressie power.  The money is going to go for paying hosting fees and training, though if we can raise more we'll try to channel as much money as possible their way.  $5K doesn't go very far, but it's a start.

We'll keep you up to date with what we're doing on the Blogpac site, and if something especially interesting pops up we'll talk about it here.

So anyway, if you have $100 or another amount to spare, please help out.  Over the next two years, many candidates and groups are going to ask you for money and pledge all sorts of things about how they will change the country.  And they aren't lying.  Still, I can pretty much guarantee you that your money will have no greater impact than making sure that this movement continues to have people like Lane Hudson in it.

UPDATE: We're up to 95 donors and $5,293.40. That's 44 new donors giving $80 apiece or so. We only need 47 more people to chip in.

UPDATE: We're up to 106 donors and $5,863.40. Just 41 and 1/2 more.



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YES!  Thank you Matt.  We need to do a hell of a lot more of this.  I am in.


by juls on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 06:40:32 PM EST

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To help some more, I put up a post on the FP of Calitics.


by juls on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:49:24 PM EST
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I'm with you. (none / 0)

the dirty little secret of progressive activism is that there is literally no support for any of the people who make internet politics work.  Many effective activists don't have health care, and scrap along with whatever they can

I am part of a universal health care nonprofit, but when it came time to hire a part-time Ex. Dir (we're small, but growing), we had to struggle to figure out how to provide insurance.  Luckily, the person we hired had a full-time job with health care and does this job within his flex-schedule.  But, if not for that, we would have a hard time reconciling fighting for health care for all, and being unable to afford health care for our staff member.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:17:59 AM EST
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This is a great post Matt. Lets make sure the folks who need to read it get it (she said while forwarding it around)


by DMIer on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 06:42:30 PM EST

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Definetly a good point - I'm glad to see that BlogPac is a general progressive movement organization that helps out the organizations and people we like and need.  As someone who hopes to find a career in the movement in the next few years, I especially want to make sure that we have a well-oiled machine.

That being said, I'm in no position to give any amount of money right now, but I can put up $25.  As someone who wants to help more though, have you asked any politicians for some help?  As the 08' candidates are seeking netroots approval, and many new members of congress owe their new job in part to the netroots, it would appear fair that they give back.  If you start any sort of fundraising campaign like that, you can bet I'll be on the phone to help.  Just curious if you're looking into that.


John McCain
by John Nicosia on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:13:42 PM EST

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I should also add, it was your pitch that made me throw in the money; very well said.


John McCain
by John Nicosia on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:55:35 PM EST
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Great pitch, and very true.  Just dropped in my $100.


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by Go Vegetarian on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:24:22 PM EST

Thank you for this post. (none / 0)

I put a lot of time and energy into local blogging, and there are thousands of us.  I'm sure that, like me, many, many others are working hard in our real lives just to pay the bills, and do this in what little spare time we have.

It makes great sense to both deepen the effect and power of local blogs and at the same time help build a support system both in terms of dollars and infrastructure.

I'm astounded how in such a short time (mid-November to now) Blue Hampshire, e.g., has become an active hub for local politics, primary presidential campaigns, Senate races, and a nexus for media, larger blogs, and state politicians.  I'm struck by how a community-based soapblox blog can be so useful so quickly.  I think we are really only scratching the surface of the effectiveness of the intertubes as a political organizing tool.


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
by Dean Barker on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:25:05 PM EST

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I'm beating the same drum off in the wilderness Matt...

The thing that bugs me more than anything else is the incredible return on investment the netroots and allied activists provide the "establishment".  (I sure wish I could come up with a better word - maybe y'all can help me).  You could have paid Lane a million dollars and I still think it would have been the biggest bargain of the election season.  How much money went to media consultants and ad buyers?  How much to direct mail firms?  To "safe" candidates?  did any of them approach what Lane did in influencing the election?  And all we can get him is $2,000?  He deserves progressive welfare for life.  He deserves D'Inesh D'Souza's house and Jaguar...  Hell, throw in the wife, children and pets too, and we still will not have approached his worth...

Let's keep flogging this horse - hopefully this topic can become a priority for the netroots in 2007.


by Mike Stark on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:28:29 PM EST

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And thanks for all you've done, Mr. Stark. You started turning the tide.


by joyful alternative on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 08:13:24 AM EST
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Lane Hudson is a national treasure (none / 0)

This really pissed me off too. If I had a bunch of money, I'd give it to him.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 02:47:39 AM EST
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Re: The State of the Progressive Movement (none / 0)

A great post. You just got my contribution.  

I never write in, but must tell you that IMHO this is the best blog on the internet and the only one I read every night. Thanks to you and all the other terrific bloggers and others like Lane who contribute their time and skills.


by ssm33 on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 07:41:17 PM EST

And while you're there, TIP ACTBLUE (none / 0)

They're a vital piece of infrastructure, which ran on a shoestring for the first 2 years, and money to them is multiplied many times over as money to good candidates and PACs like BlogPAC.

[Disclosure:  I work on a volunteer basis with ActBlue.]


by jsw on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:02:47 PM EST

I sent $50 plus a $5 tip (none / 0)

I agree, it's a disgrace that our side doesn't take care of people who take risks to advance our cause.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 01:08:41 AM EST
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God bless you Matt. You know the detail of this issue. You're a good man who's done a really, really good thing with this post. Thank you, again.


by Sun Tzu on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 08:07:29 PM EST

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Matt, why don't you set up a recurring donation type thing like Dean has at the DNC in his Liberty Bonds?  The numbers would be significant.  For instance, if most of the people who read this blog could commit to $5.00 per month, it would be $60.00 a year, and with a thousand commitments, you would have $ 60,000.  Of course, $ 5.00 could be the minimum, and some would be able to commit to more.  And there could very well be many more than one thousand contributors.  And most important, the money would be charged to the contributor's credit card automatically each month.  I don't know how to set this up, but there are a lot of web sites that use it, so it is common.  With this you would have money when you need it, rather than having to go begging when you need it.  And even the lowest incomes (like me) could afford it.


by Andre on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:04:27 PM EST

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ActBlue seems set up to do that already.


by Adam B on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:30:35 AM EST
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Act Blue already has this system you described set up.  I can't afford 100$ right now, but I did commit to doing 10$/month recurring payments for the next 12 months.  After 12 months I might be able to commit to 20$/month or pull out completely if I don't like what BlogPac is doing(which I highly doubt)


by maddogg on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 10:42:10 AM EST
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Matt - I absolutely agree with your point. I am in for the $100.

I also agree with Andre - MyDD and the other small but influential blogs need a steady and recurring source of revenue. Ads don't seem to be generating enough at this point (although I expect that to change over time). It seems that a subscription model might work. I for one have terminated my subscriptions to both the New York Times and my local newspaper in the past year, because I found I was getting all my news and analysis from the internet, especially the blogs. The savings I have plowed into donations to the blog sites I frequent.

I encourage you to develop a subscription model like the MSM, or a yearly donation model like not-for-profit organizations.


by Dr K on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:34:42 PM EST

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Matt,

You or someone like you needs to convince Howard Dean and other big players of the opportunity that awaits them if they will invest in effective bloggers and activists.  The money will be leveraged 10 times over.  A million $bucks is small potatoes in today's political world, but it would go a long way if spent in the manner you suggest.


by global yokel on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 10:44:19 PM EST

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Matt,

Progresssives have not defined who we are, what we stand for, and how we are going to get there.  So of course we do not have the infrastructure (think tanks, non-proftis, etc) to hire very deserving people, such as the man you mention.

George Lakoff has been writing for years about our lack of vision.

Jim Webb spoke that vision this evening.

When will we as a movement begin to develop our infrastrucuture?

Lakoff knows the language. Webb has the vision.

Let's build it, and people will.....


by dogenman on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:22:39 PM EST

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I'm down for $100- we gotta do this right. Much respect Matt!


Vision and consistent progressive principles is what wins.
by jscorse on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 12:37:57 AM EST

Re: The State of the Progressive Movement (3.00 / 3)

Matt and Chris:

Your generosity is not only timely for me, but overwhelmingly appreciated.  I must admit that when I started Stop Sex Predators, I thought the chances of it creating any sort of change were pretty slim.  But I knew enough about the blogosphere to try it anyway.

Needless to say, I'm now a fervent believer in the power of the NetRoots.  I'm humbled that in recent months more and more people (including CNN!) have referred to me as a 'blogger'.  I feel like it's a badge of honor.  There are many more people that have worked day in and day out for months and years to ensure there is an ongoing progressive discourse in this country.  They are the true heroes of the blogosphere.  Without them, the magic that occurs here would not be possible.

I pledge not only to continue to be a part of the progressive blogging community, but also to work with each of you to find a way to support the important work that happens here.  Again, thank you for your support and kind words.

Lane


Lane Hudson
by tlanehudson on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 12:52:49 AM EST

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My $100 is in the door!

Keep up the great work at BlogPAC.


by Reelpolitik on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 01:00:43 AM EST

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What the hell is Human Rights Campaign thinking about?


by SqueakyRat on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 01:00:56 AM EST

This movement is not the way forward. Period! (1.00 / 1)

Those who think the progressive movement will be palatable anytimne soon in the Mountain West or Deep South are simply deluding themselves.  We won resoundingly in 2006 because our party tacked right, not because the country moved left.  I was at a SOTU house party last year in Chicago where people were lampooning rebuttal speaker Tom Kain five seconds after he opened his mouth.  Why?  "He is one of them" because he spoke with a southern accent, spoke in folksy terms and invoked religion.  These were ardent "progressives".  Who did they want to deliver the speech?  We live in a political world, and if we think for a second that we can sell down South with Ted Kennedy (and I love TK) giving the SOTU rebuttal, we're simply at odds with reality.  I hate the fact that the progressives fought Heath Schuler in North Carolina, fought Bob Casey in Pa. and fought Harold Ford in Tenn.  Why?  Because they were pro-life on abortion.  What happens when we put up cannot-possibly-win progressive candidates and lose, like we did in the Nevada gubernetorial race?  The consequences are dire:  we end up with Republicans winning.  So my advice to the progressive movement is to concede some of the issues in areas that are nowhere near ready to buy what you are selling and to coalesce around the many that unite progressives and Blue dog D's.  Let's be winning pragmatists (IE 2006) not implacable losers.  


by jharri1992 on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 01:16:35 AM EST

Re: This movement is not the way forward. Period! (none / 0)

I hate the fact that the progressives fought Heath Schuler in North Carolina, fought Bob Casey in Pa. and fought Harold Ford in Tenn.

I agree with this; I supported Ford even tho' I deplored what his father and brother were doing. I think he would have overcome that in time.

You mention Blue Dog Dems, too, and with all the positive blogs that promoted Patrick Murphy, and bloggers in PA who worked for him, I nearly fell over when I saw that he was one of them!


by Books Alive on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:38:16 AM EST
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Re: The State of the Progressive Movement (none / 0)

I'm in the UK. Is it legal to donate from there? I know I can't donate directly to campaigns, but do the same rules apply for PACs?


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by Englishlefty on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 08:21:15 AM EST

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Yes, unfortunately.  But you can donate directly to blogs.


by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 08:35:51 AM EST
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Re: The State of the Progressive Movement (none / 0)

Your basic points are all valid.  However, you should also have noted that this mistreatment of Lane will have far broader effects than this one case of injustice.

After learning the facts in this case, what whistleblower would take the personal risks of exposing misfeasance?  My guess is "far fewer than before".  Congressional investigators should ponder long and hard the ramifications of the Democrats' indifference.  And, ironically, in the meantime Hastert's senior staffers, who should have protected the pages, walk around big, fat, dumb and happy.


by dupontguy on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:30:47 AM EST

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Matt - I know you are smarter than this but your post shows a tremendous amount of naivete about how political movements and infrastructure reinforce each other and keep talented activits from falling through the cracks.  

Your words:

"The right has a well-developed infrastructure, and that's why they tend to win.  They take care of their people....Were Lane on the right, he would be taken care of and put into a think tank, corporate job, or consulting shop, simply because he had proved that he is an incredibly valuable asset to the movement."

Contrast these with the constant drumbeat on this blog about the "corrosive nature of money and corporate influence in politics"  

The bottom line is that notwithstanding the substantial financial participation from the grassroots, high-net-worth individuals and corporate america substantially underwrite the political and non profit movements in this country. The "think tanks" "corporate jobs" and "consulting shops" aren't funded with $10 and $20 online contributions.  They exist and are able to do public interest and political work because they have more substantial corporate clients subsidizing these efforts.

When you bash "big money" in politics, you threaten to choke the very sources of funding that provide the Lane Hudsons with meaningful, post-election career opportunities.


by worc33 on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 10:19:41 AM EST

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The government spends around $2 trillion a year.

Also, I'm not opposed to corporate money, I'm opposed to irresponsible corporate elites.  It's a distinction that is difficult to draw, but it's significant.  The key issue is power, and currently money flows are designed around the needs of a very antidemocratic few.  It doesn't have to be this way, and it hasn't always been this way.


by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 10:33:18 AM EST
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The problem with corporate funding of nonprofits (none / 0)

is that there's always a string attached, and that string is that the money's there, as long as you don't threaten what the corporation does.

And you quickly see where that leads, on our side of things.  If a manufacturer with overseas sweatshops helps fund the Human Rights Campaign, the HRC has to expect that money to disappear if they investigate human rights abuses at those sweatshops.  If a domestic manufacturer gives money to the Sierra Club, it will be in the hope that the Sierra Club will get to depend on that money, and soften their stances on environmental issues related to pollution from that manufacturer.  And so forth.

This is a problem that the Right doesn't have.  They serve and are funded by the corporate interests, and that works for them because they like it that way.

So we on the left need to build an infrastructure based on grassroots funding - the small checks that each of us can give.  Which is why I've chipped in here.  I don't want what Matt and Chris are doing here to be dependent on contributions from GE and Microsoft, or there will be a time when Matt and Chris are working for GE and Microsoft, rather than for the things we believe in.


by RT on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 11:03:01 AM EST
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The progressive movement in the blogosphere is in peril because there's a small group who cooperate from time to time with each other, but won't even consider ideas from outside their group.  It's as though the members of that small group think they have the only ideas for cooperating that are worth considering.  Which is exactly like the Beltway consultants and pundits.

It's amazing how quickly that happened.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 10:22:43 AM EST

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You're absolutely right, and I think that you are pointing to one of the big reasons why the netroots/blogosphere/net-enabled-activis ts aren't diverse. It's hard to bring in people of color, working class people, etc. when the majority of the group is middle-to-upper-class white men. Sure, there are some people who don't fit into this mold, but by and large the gatekeepers are white kids from the burbs/prep-schools and they neither get, nor are particularly interested in trying to get, other types of people and/or their differing opinions.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 11:34:47 AM EST
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Gatekeepers?? (none / 0)

That's the thing with citizen activism: you don't have to wait around for Party Chairman Markos, or the Central Committee with Chris and Matt and Jane Hamsher and whoever else, to rule on whether your idea's a good one.  If you want to take an idea and run with it, nobody's stopping you.

The world of progressive activism is full of unmet needs.  I'm sure that all of the bloggers I've just mentioned have 10 times as many things they'd like to see done as they can possibly do.

But they became what they are in the blogosphere by simply doing what they felt like doing about the problems they saw.  I have supported BlogPac, chipped in to get Josh Marshall's TPM-Muckraker going, and tossed in a few shekels towards keeping FireDogLake running (and covering the Libby trial), because I believed in what those people were doing.  I know other bloggers ask for donations too, and people chip in if they believe in what those bloggers are doing.

And anyone else is free to do the same: if they see an unmet need that the progressive blogosphere should be attending to, you can just jump in and start doing something about it.  There are various places where you can post besides your own blog in order to gain attention for your particular cause.  If other people agree with you about the importance of your cause, and trust that you're the sort of person who might be able to act effectively in that sphere, they'll contribute if your activism needs financial backing.

If not, then it wasn't because the gatekeepers locked you out.  It's just that nobody owes you anything - they don't owe you their attention, they don't owe you their money, nothing.


by RT on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 01:43:28 PM EST
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Re: Gatekeepers?? (none / 0)

Thanks for the troll rating, whoever did that.  You prove my point that only certain people are allowed to have ideas.

And to you, RT, it doesn't do any good to have the best idea in the world if the influential blogs ignore it.  That's the very problem we're talking about here.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 08:59:55 AM EST
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Support Progressive Activists: Boycot GCI/The Fund (none / 0)

As an activist who finds myself in the same position as many other activists at this point in the election cycle: unemployed and uninsured, I have to say Thank You for posting this.

My question is: why do people in on the left continue to give money and support to organizations that either exploit their own workers or hire those Progressive Parasites: Grassroots Campaigns, INC & The Fund for Public Interest Research (which includes HRC)? To name a few of the groups that use these anti-union, slave wage, no benefits outfits:
MoveOn
The DNC
PFAW
Working America (HA!!! Working for Nothing is more like it! Just another reason to be thankful that the SEIU and Teamsters split with the idiots over at the AFL-CIO.)
CAP
Sierra Club

And many, many more. How many of you out there claim to support the work of progressive activists and yet work against us at every turn by giving and supporting those who exploit us?

Anyway, I'll end my "progressive groups aren't progressive" rant there, but there is no better way to support those of us who dedicate ourselves fully to the cause than by boycotting those groups that exploit our generosity and idealism.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 11:25:33 AM EST

Mike Jones, another gay American hero (none / 0)

Mike Jones, the escort who outed Rev. Ted "Meth Head" Haggard is also struggling financially and legally. Dan Savage wrote:

"I've been in contact with Mike over the last week. He tells me that the major gay rights organizations have extended nothing but ten-foot poles. He is unemployed and I imagine that for at least the short future, he is unemployable. He is facing the potential of huge legal bills. He has received death threats from Haggard's followers and other peace-loving Christians.

Gentle readers, you and I owe Mike Jones a debt of gratitude. It's a different country than it was seven days ago, and even if you think that Mike Jones had only the tiniest part in effecting that change, we OWE him. Remember those last two Senate seats were decided by just a few thousand votes each.

So please, show your thanks. Go to PayPal's Send Money screen and throw some love to our unlikely hero, using his email account: "massageandmuscle@aol.com"

Send him the $10 you would have spent buying him drinks, if you ran into him in a bar. Send him the $20 you would have spent buying his dinner in a restaurant."

http://thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/mike _jones_gay_ameri


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:05:23 AM EST

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