Open Thread

  • Edwards dubs the escalation in Iraq the 'McCain doctrine'.  Nice.  Edwards is impressive, though Joe Trippi is pointing out that Hillary Clinton is strong with the black vote and so Edwards needs Obama in the race.  On a more general note, though I love certain types of politics, I'm a white liberal educated activist, and I've learned not to underestimate the power of the status quo.  It has a very strong pull on a plurality or even slight majority of the Democratic base.  White liberals aren't irrelevant, in fact we're quite significant, but this is definitely a coalition game.

  • Jane Hamsher and Christy Hardin Smith each talk health care.  Jane calls the system universal health care run by hoodlums.  I'm good with that.  Christy wants all children covered and doesn't get why negotiating with drug companies is anathema to Republicans.

    So, just to be clear, President Bush objects to the Federal Medicaid program having the same rights to negotiation of prices in a free market environment as, say, WalMart enjoys currently, and would veto the bill as a means to...what? Protect the profits of the drug companies who have so richly paid into his campaign coffers? The free market negotiations by the Medicaid program are anathema to Republican political values how, exactly?

    Medicare for Kids seems like a good wedge policy to screw over the Republicans.

  • Skeptical Brotha has a really interesting discussion of race in the conext of Obama's run.  He's upset that the white electorate wants 'to move beyond race' while waging unstated racial combat.    He's not wrong there, and I don't think we're ready to 'move beyond race' as long as our prison system and economic structures are so patently designed to hurt minorities and buffer whites from seeing the damage.  We need a new generation of white and minority progressive leaders to cooperate in attacking the problem head-on.  For instance, minority health disparities are a HUGE issue for African-Americans, as are environmental toxins in urban areas, and low penetration of broadband.  These should all be subsumed into larger fights over universal health care, global warming, and universal and cheap public internet.  Big fights with big coalitions are easier to win.

  • Gerald Ford was an "honorary Director" at Citigroup not subject to votes by shareholders.  I suppose he couldn't get elected to anything.   And no, I'm not a fan.  Ford was a coward, an elitist, and a loser.

  • Hoyerblog launches.

  • Robert Reynolds of the NAW has an interesting take on the incoming Congress.  The National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors is a very crazy right-wing group - if you want to see what the other side is preparing for, this is as good a take as any.

    To a large extent, the results may not be very different; but the process certainly will be. In the last Congress, business interests were "on offense" - attempting to overcome strong minority opposition in order to pass pro-business legislation. As a result of that opposition, not much got done, and only legislative items that could garner bipartisan support made their way to the President's desk for his signature. In the next Congress, we are certain to be "on defense," working with a strong minority to block or modify bad legislation and ensure that, again, only those items that can win bipartisan support prevail...

    The biggest issue ahead is tax policy, and we will certainly be on defense in that arena. While the Democrats are now saying they won't attempt to repeal the Bush tax cuts, they have a long track record of opposition to those tax policies and have previously attempted to repeal or roll them back.

    I'm not sure I buy Reynolds' take on whether Democrats will try to roll back Bush's tax cuts.  The emphasis on bipartisanship is fascinating.

This is an open thread.



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Obama Smokes (none / 0)

I haven't settled on Pres candidate and find myself unenthused with almost all of them.  However, I really enjoyed Taegan Goddard's revelation that Obama smokes and that he seems to think it will hurt his chances.  I don't smoke and don't really like it but there is something amusing that this could be a problem for him.  It makes me ask - what is the world coming to when a legal vice could be a political liability?


by John Mills on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:02:24 AM EST

Re: Obama Smokes (3.00 / 1)

I'm not an Obama fan, but the idea that his smoking will tip the scales against him makes me laugh out loud.

Unless it turns out to be true, in which case it makes me want to move to France.


by craverguy on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:07:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama Smokes (none / 0)

I'd like to think it was a joke but I some how suspect it is true.


by John Mills on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:26:05 AM EST
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not surprising at all (3.00 / 1)

Divorce is legal, but it's plausible that a candidate who was divorced more than once could have a hard time getting elected president.

Ditto for being overweight, having a mustache, wearing shabby clothes.

All kinds of superficial things could sway uninformed voters. I think smoking could play into media questions about Obama's judgment once the right-wing hate machine turns on him.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:58:06 AM EST
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Healthcare - sphere not so hot on process (none / 0)

Find fault with the current US healthcare system is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Enacting single-payer healthcare (the only genuine UHC, so far as I'm aware) in the US will be closer to bringing those dead fish back to life.

Time, I think, for the lefty sphere to transfer its effort from the former activity to the latter.


by skeptic06 on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:21:15 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Yeah, Ford was a loser. And don't forger a member of the Warren Commission. These old Republicans have dark pasts.


by jmderosa on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:25:14 AM EST

he appointed Stevens (none / 0)

who is a more impressive Supreme Court justice than Breyer or Ginsburg. So don't write off Ford completely.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:55:14 AM EST
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Re: he appointed Stevens (none / 0)

When Stevens started he was considered one of the Court's conservative members.  Today is is one of the most liberal.  But is that a matter of Stevens' shifting views, or of the rightward tilt of the Court's newer membership?


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 12:36:47 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Matt, having lived through the period (I was in my twenties), I wouldn't call Ford a loser or elitist. I think he was a honest man, even a people's man, and a moderate Republican in the Eisenhower tradition.

Now, on the critical side, though I consider Ford to have been of good character and benign politics, I would judge him as a naive team player to have absolved Nixon - a dupe - particularly as Haig played him for the pardon without insisting on Nixon's confession. Haig's loyalties were first to Nixon, then to Ford. I think Ford came to understand that, but could never admit to himself that in pardoning Nixon, he probably made a bad mistake.


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by lemonyellow on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:52:47 AM EST

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I think that's totally fair.  I am only observing the world he gifted us, not his honest humanity which I didn't experience.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 12:15:07 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

About two blocks down from me is Progressive Shoe Repair.  This delights me everytime I go past and I actually sometimes take a different route specifically for that reason.  Also, over the past 6 months, discontent with the current governmental state of affairs has been skipping the papers and going straight to the walls around town.  This is also encouraging, particularly since this is San Diego.  There's a real, lasting movement to be had.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:53:35 AM EST

McCain doctrine--brilliant (3.00 / 1)

Everyone needs to pick that up. Make McCain pay for his cynical ploy.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 11:54:32 AM EST

Wedge Attacks (3.00 / 1)

The idea about Medicare for Kids as a wedge issue is a great one. The Republicans used them to great effect to try and stereotype the Democrats, so repaying the favour is a good way to try and strengthen the new majority. This isn't just tit-for-tat, however, as whereas they liked to use social issues, which can't go away and which they wouldn't deal with, as it'd take away their stick to beat the left, the Democrats can concentrate on economic matters, showing the Republicans to be corporate America's hired goons, and thus build support to actually try and fix the inequalities.

We need a dozen of wedge issues like this that just can't be opposed without acting like a heel.


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by Englishlefty on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 12:12:11 PM EST

Gerald Ford (3.00 / 1)

Gerald Ford was an "honorary Director" at Citigroup not subject to votes by shareholders.  I suppose he couldn't get elected to anything.   And no, I'm not a fan.  Ford was a coward, an elitist, and a loser.

I usually agree with a lot of what you write, but this time you're wrong. I really don't understand why so many in the progressive blogosphere are bashing Gerald Ford.

I don't agree with many of the stances he took, nor do I like the people he had in his administration. I don't like some of the things he said, and there's certainly a case to be made that the negatives in his presidency far outweighed the positives.

But Gerald Ford was a genuinely decent man, from a long tradition of good public servants in Michigan that happened to be Republicans (the Englers and DeVos's came later). I might not have voted for a Ford or a Miliken, but I can respect them because they've earned it.

Gerald Ford did what he felt was right for the people of west Michigan (and was, by the way, elected to Congress 12 times, defeating an incumbent the first time-- apparently he could get elected to something).

Coward, elitist, and loser? No. He was just a public servant doing the best job he could, with all his faults and all his virtues.


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by Fitzy on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 12:17:34 PM EST

East Timor (none / 0)

And 200,000 civilians.

-GFO


by GuyFromOhio on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 01:48:23 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

I just realized that Barrack Obama didn't do any events for Ned Lamont.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 12:37:22 PM EST

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The emphasis on bipartisanship is fascinating.

It's because it's the only way the fascists can get to play. Plus, it's a wholly new and different concept for them, like a caveman finding a flashlight.

-GFO


by GuyFromOhio on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 01:47:37 PM EST

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"Edwards dubs the escalation in Iraq the 'McCain doctrine'."

Actually it was dubbed escalation by others before Edwards. He's looking a bit "me too" on language.

More importantly it's Bush Jr policy, not a "McCain Doctrine".

McCain can make Edwards look foolish in a debate by pointing out that the decision to increase troops in Iraq is a policy issue and there is no "doctrine" involved, McCain's or anyone else's. It will make Edward's look ill informed.

Also, by failing to confront Bush Jr and current policy, Edwards is failing to have an impact on policy right now.

Better to oppose policy of more troops in Iraq now and prevent the new president in 2008 from having to deal with the results of the escalation.

It's kind of like Edwards New Orleans misplay a few weeks ago.

1. He's misses the real point of the issue.

2. He doesn't address the problem now.

Edwards is looking more and more like a candidate who says what he thinks people want to hear vs. presenting a coherent solution that shows he understands the issues.


by BrionLutz on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 02:32:57 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Brion wrote:
1. He's misses the real point of the issue.

Boomerang--No, McCain is the biggest problem on the presidential campaign horizon for 2008. Nailing McCain to his own direly unpopular position is perfect.
Perhaps if McCain sees his polls dropping like a rock from being identified with the escalation, he will change his position. That will be far more likely to effect the policy now than anything else Edwards could say or do, since McCain is the last major political figure in America (besides Bush) still calling for escalation.
(Lieberman and the neo-cons are too damaged to be considered major anymore)


by johnalive on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 02:51:55 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

"No, McCain is the biggest problem on the presidential campaign horizon for 2008."

But adding troops to Iraq is a problem now in 2006 that must be dealt with and Edwards is dodging that fight.

Edwards is making himself irrelevant to the current debate.

And calling McCain's support of Bush Jr sending more troops to Iraq a "doctrine" shows a lack of understanding of foreign policy and military strategy and tactics that McCain (and others) can use to showcase Edward's lack of knowledge on the issues.

That Edwards is parroting a speech Obama gave using the word "escalation" also does not help Edwards' image.


by BrionLutz on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 03:00:38 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Obama can no more claim to have originated the use of the word escalation than Edwards. But the implication that either one is "parroting" someone else is empty spin for negativity. And I think you're really reaching to say Edwards is dodging the fight.
Doctrine--I don't know what you're talking about. But I'll make this suggestion--since you think this is an alarmingly mistaken use of language, why don't you write a diary defining the term and explaining why you think Edwards is wrong in its use.*
*Caveat-the important thing about language is that it communicates effectively, which is not the same thing as saying it communicates precisely (Ms. Thistlebottom's hobgoblins be damned). Nowhere is that more true than in the world of politics.
by johnalive on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 03:29:23 PM EST

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"Obama can no more claim to have originated the use of the word escalation than Edwards."

He doesn't but some Edwards supporters here did make that claim when Edwards used the term, not realizing that Obama had used in a speech a few weeks previously.

That Edwards was following Obama in using the term certainly provides some credence to the idea that Edwards is closely following Obama's speeches and trying to stay "in touch" with him.


by BrionLutz on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 05:06:49 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Matt,

Thanks for flattering the Hell outta me again.


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by skepticalbrotha on Tue Jan 02, 2007 at 06:59:26 PM EST


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