Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa

Pollster John Zogby has taken his first crack at examining the race in Iowa, conducting a two-day likely voter survey with 596 interviewees, yielding a margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percent. The results are as follows (with the normal caveats about Zogby, his results and his methodology):

Democrats
Candidate Support
Edwards 27
Obama 17
Vilsack 16
Clinton 16
Biden 3
Kerry 3
Kucinich 1
Richardson 1
Unsure 13

At this point, the numbers are rather fluid in Iowa and the pollsters watching the race are calibrating their likely voter screens. As such, it should come as little surprise that these numbers are at least somewhat different from those found by Research 2000 and American Research Group last month. All the same, each of the three most recent polls out of Iowa find a four-way race currently, with R2K showing Edwards and Obama leading with 22 percent apiece, Vilsack at 12 and Clinton at 10; and ARG showing Clinton leading with 31, Edwards in second at 20, Vilsack at 17 and Obama at 10; and none of the three polls showing any other candidate even approaching double-digit levels of support among likely caucus-goers.

The Republican results are below the fold...

Republicans
Candidate Support
Giuliani 19
McCain 17
Gingrich 13
Rice 9
Romney 5
Tancredo 2
Hagel 2
Brownback 1
Thompson 1
Huckabee 1
Pataki 1
Unsure 22

There are a few things that come out of this poll (aside from the fact that the MoE is +/- 4.6 percent). First, Republicans are not entirely impressed by their current crop of candidates, as evinced by the fact that no candidate tops 20 percent support and more than a fifth of likely caucus-goers are undecided. A second important point to note is that despite all of the hype coming out of the Beltway, actual Republican voters are not very impressed by Mitt Romney. Though I do not in any way profess to know how Iowa conservatives think -- or conservatives in New Hampshire of South Carolina, either, for that matter -- I'm fairly skeptical that these voters will be willing to accept Romney as the conservative alternative in the race for the nomination. The final point that comes out of this poll, as well as other recent ones: Newt Gingrich is a lot stronger than almost anyone within the establishment media will give him credit for. I still tend to believe that he is the most likely to emerge as the "consensus conservative" within the race.


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Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

So, Giuliani's numbers have been universally strong across the board, but all of us are fairly certain that his positions on the issues, combined with his baggage, will kill his chances of getting the nomination.

My read on Edwards is that he has to win Iowa and South Carolina to have a chance at the nomination. If he loses Iowa, he bleeds momentum immediately - he has to be the favorite there. If he loses South Carolina, he can't win.

I'm moving closer and closer, however, to calling Obama the frontrunner. His national polling is now neck-and-neck with Hillary, and that's before yesterday's announcement.


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by Dave Sund on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:09:46 PM EST

Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

I think that Edwards only needs a strong showing in Iowa -- finishing second to Hillary would be sufficient.  He's got Nevada coming up next, and if the Nevada service unions are as powerful as I've heard, that'll get his momentum going again heading into NH.  


by Neil the Ethical Werewolf on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:28:03 PM EST
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Hillary will finish fourth at best in Iowa (none / 0)

I would be shocked if anyone can beat Edwards here. His support is broad and deep, which is what you need in a caucus. My hunch is that he is the second choice for quite a few people as well, which helps you pick up support from those whose top candidates are "not viable" on caucus night (you need at least 15 percent of the people in the room to get any delegates out of a precinct).


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:42:41 PM EST
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Re: Hillary will finish fourth at best in Iowa (none / 0)

If his support his so deep, wouldn't one expect him to be much further ahead in the polls (and given the amount of snarkiness among most of us recently, this is meant as a real question and not as a sarcastic comment)?  I understand Vilsack's position as a top 4 in Iowa, but give the time Edwards has had in Iowa, I would have expected a much larger lead than 10 points over Obama and Hillary who have yet to campaign or organize there.  This gets tight over the next two months unless 2 of the 3 really screw up... Either way, I expect a close finish between HRC, OBAMA and Edwards in Iowa.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 04:55:25 PM EST
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Re: Hillary will finish fourth at best in Iowa (none / 0)

In this context 'deep' means his supporters are committed.  Therefore Kucinish might have 'deep' support among his 3%. If Demoinesdem is right, that means the current poll numbers represent Edwards floor.

Opposed to Obama, who at this point, probably has broad support but not yet deep.


by MassEyesandEars on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 05:13:50 PM EST
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Obama has yet to take positions on platforms (none / 0)

and the media hasn't scrutinized him at all.

while people know edwards has low negatives they forget he's been though a primary and presidential election..

Obama has been spotted 20points with hope that he will later justify it.


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by TarHeel on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:02:34 PM EST
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The one consistent result in the Iowa polling... (3.00 / 0)

...is that Edwards is very solid.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:11:55 PM EST

Yet the MSM (3.00 / 1)

(and some liberal blogs) insist on claiming that Obama is Clinton's main challenger. In a rational world, Obama would be seen as Edwards's main challenger, and Clinton would be regarded as a long shot--who are her supporters? Not the passionate voters; not the pragmatic ones.

When was the last time the most progressive serious contender in the Democratic field was also the most electable? That's a serious question. I'd like to know.


by david mizner on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:19:45 PM EST

Re: Yet the MSM (none / 0)

Well, national polling up until this point showed Hillary leading, with Obama in 2nd, and Edwards in 3rd. Now, the national polls show Clinton and Obama in a dead heat, with Edwards close behind.

Edwards has a strong chance because of the early states, but there are a couple of reasons why he is not the frontrunner. First is money. Clinton has a huge existing donor base, and Obama will have no problem drawing on his star power. Edwards is going to have to keep up with both of them. A strong showing in the early states will help him considerably. Second is demographics. African-Americans and women represent a huge portion of the primary universe. And Clinton and Obama threaten to dominate those demographics. Third is stature. Edwards is running as the outsider, which means, by definition, he cannot be the frontrunner. In fact, it's to his advantage to be the underdog right now.


Further Reading
by Dave Sund on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:33:20 PM EST
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Again with the national polls? (none / 0)

They mean nothing. Unfortunately, for democracy's sake, the primary is one and lost is the first several states. You know this.

As for "it's to his advantage to be the underdog right now," I agree; I was making an analytical point, not a political one, although I do believe that Hillary's unearned frontrunner status, based on her fame, perpetuates her candidacy to some degree; she's top tier. Why? Because she is.


by david mizner on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:48:08 PM EST
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Re: Again with the national polls? (none / 0)

Yeah, but you are talking about the MSM story, not reality.  In reality, National polls mean zip now.  To the media, they establish a front runner.  The story will shift in the next few months that BARRING an AL Gore entry, this is a 3 dog race between Clinton, Edwards and Obama and will remain that way AT LEAST through Super Tuesday (which is really shaping into a big day next cycle).  Either way, one of the 3 will take the primaries and causus's leading to Super Tuesday and I wouldn't be surprised to see different people with different ones.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 04:58:36 PM EST
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Re: Again with the national polls? (none / 0)

Also remember what usually happens to the Front Runner in a crowded field... the media and the other candidates take a lot of shots at the front runner... look back to 2004 with Dean who was blasted by the party and by the media once he obtained front runner status.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 05:00:33 PM EST
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Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

Boy, I'm not sure Iowa polls are very useful a week before the caucus, let alone a year. And a Zogby poll, at that ... what exactly is a "likely voter screen" for a caucus that's a year away?

Still though, that's a good result for Edwards. Not too surprising (he did well last time, and he's worked the state hard), but a good result nonetheless.


by BriVT on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:24:38 PM EST

Many still underestimate John Edwards appeal! (3.00 / 0)

I think he is right on the issues that are important to most Americans, and he has been connecting in Iowa in almost one on one basis.


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by dk2 on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 03:59:22 PM EST

Re: Many still underestimate John Edwards appeal! (none / 0)

I don't think most Dems underestimate Edwards... Most think he is electable and a good person.  He is just not everyone's top choice as he seems to be for you.  I would agree with DesMoinesDem statement that he is a lot of people's Second choice as well as first.... My first is Obama, but Edwards is my second unless Gore jumps in.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 05:03:30 PM EST
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Did polls ever work in Iowa? (none / 0)

Dean was supposed to crush everyone with money and grass roots support and polls agreed but he got crushed and it was the beginning of the end for Dean.

Do the polls have a hard time predicting caucuses?


by BrionLutz on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 04:36:12 PM EST

Re: Did polls ever work in Iowa? (none / 0)

Dean got crushed in the last 2 weeks as all the candidates jumped in allying themselves under the banner of "Dean is bad." I am under the impression Gephardt had a lot to do with the Dean shoot down.

There can be a lot of movement in the last few weeks when there are several candidates over 20%


by Trowaman on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 04:49:57 PM EST
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Re: Did polls ever work in Iowa? (none / 0)

The last poll I saw before the caucus had a statistically four-way tie around 20% among Gephardt, Dean, Edwards, and Kerry. I suspect that this represented everyone's first choices. On caucus night though, I think Dean and Gephardt had pushed each other's negatives so high that they didn't get any second places votes when other candidates missed the viability threshold here and there. So even though the four candidates were roughly tied for caucus-goers first choice, Edwards and Kerry picked up most of the second choices.


by Gpack3 on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:03:42 PM EST
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Re: They polled people who were registered and had (none / 0)

attended the caucus in pervious years. At our caucus about 40% registered at the caucus and a show of hands indicated that most were at a caucus for the first time. Apparently this was common across the State. We had all of the known Dean supporters (mostly registered regular caucus attenders) at the caucus but there were more Kerry and Edwards supporters (most of them I had never seen at a caucus before). I doubt very much that there were more Dean supporters to be found in our precinct.

By the way were were not surprised to see so many Kerry & Edwards supporters at the caucus but we were talking to our neighbors and not depending on polls.


by JSN on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 11:46:46 PM EST
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Re: They polled people who were registered and had (none / 0)

So the bottom line would be that polls for caucus results are not very accurate.

I wonder if that is due to the dynamics where people get together and you get a group decision vs. individuals going to the polls.


by BrionLutz on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 10:16:48 AM EST
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Re: They polled people who were registered and had (none / 0)

All I can tell about that is we talked to a lot of people in our precinct who liked Dean but did not think he could win and they wanted to support someone who could.


by JSN on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 03:55:16 PM EST
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Re: They polled people who were registered and had (none / 0)

"All I can tell about that is we talked to a lot of people in our precinct who liked Dean but did not think he could win and they wanted to support someone who could."

And that was the caucus result but the polls prior to that (the poll posted here) showed a different result so it seems like polls to figure out caucus results have a much greater margin of error.


by BrionLutz on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 09:36:30 PM EST
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Re: But earlier than that they said the (none / 0)

Gephardt had the Iowa caucus locked up. The unions and many elected officials were solidly behind him and then he faded into oblivion (By the way whatever happened to him?). The MSM and the polls did not cover themselves with glory in the way they covered the Iowa caucus.


by JSN on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 09:52:20 PM EST
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Re: There are about 360 days until the Iowa (none / 0)

caucus. The best way to predict the outcome today is to write the names of the candidates on a paper airplanes and toss them from a balcony and the one that goes the furthest (might/or might not) win.


by JSN on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 10:00:11 PM EST
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Vilsack (none / 0)

Still first round polls, so tough to guess analysis, but maybe pollster will start trending now.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 05:27:34 PM EST

Re: Vilsack (none / 0)

I attended a fundraiser for the Iowa Senate that Vilsack attended and the then senate minority leader during his introduction of the Governor said Vilsack was bullheaded. So Vilsack gave a speech about why it was a good thing he was bullheaded. He is in fact bullheaded but it is not a good thing. When it comes to blaming others for his screw ups he is a very fast draw.  


by JSN on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 12:05:49 AM EST
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Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

Discounting the ARG poll, which doesn't seem to fit with the other polls and to me looked more like name recognition than anything else, it's notable how weak Clinton is. She's got to improve those scores or dominate NH within the next few months, or the media will note her relatively poor performance. Sure, they love her right now, but certain elements are just waiting to bring her down a peg or two. And a presumed frontrunner who suddenly turns out not to be a frontrunner is going to lose a lot of votes based on perceived electability.

I also believe (based admittedly on the views of the netroots, who represent a very active set of the base but not necessarily the most typical grouping) that if either Obama or Edwards drops out the other will get enough support to more or less lock up the nomination.


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by Englishlefty on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 06:52:18 PM EST

Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

If Gingrich were getting into the race now, I'd agree with Jonathan, that he's the consensus conservative. But he's said he's waiting til Labor Day to see what happens. So I think Brownback will be the Howard Dean of this race, sneaking in seemingly out of nowhere to represent the Republican wing of the Republican party. He's got a long solid record of conservatism, unlike the rest of the front-runners, and because of that he has more room to criticize Bush on the war, which by now is starting to turn off Republicans too. In fact, it would be smart of him to criticize escalation as the "McCain Doctrine" too, so he can criticize the plan without it necessarily playing as a criticism of Bush.


by Gpack3 on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:12:21 PM EST

Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

Yes, the most significant thing about the Republican numbers is that none of them look particularly strong and a fifth are undecided.  McCain has had it, thanks largely to the Bush implementation of the 'McCain  Doctrine.'

What about Mike Huckabee as an alternative Republican pick? After a few more months of Obama-rama and the politics of hope the Republicans may be looking for some of their own. Have you heard this guy's 'dog-food' metaphor? http://suitablyflip.blogs.com/suitably_f lip/2007/01/give_hope_a_sec.html

I wonder if we may see more of him in the future; we have a year or so to go.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 07:59:58 AM EST
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Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

some of the numbers are driven by the fact that Edwards is unemployed so has time to visit and hang around in the state alot.
the others have jobs.
by vwcat on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:22:28 PM EST

Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

Yeah, and Hillary and Obama are moonlighting on company time.


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by clarkent on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 06:39:21 AM EST
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Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

Senator Clinton has not announced her intentions, yet. But that doesn't mean her entire team aren't working the phones; sending thousands of emails; holding meetings and, especially in Iowa, where Hillary has a huge grassroots organization just waiting to kick into place once she makes her announcement.

I know I stick out like a sore thumb among netroots folks, as I do very much support Sen. Clinton. The netroots should (I think) more closely examine the voter demographic of the November mid-term elections. We have a Dem controlled House and Senate because independents, angry Republicans and even 30% of white Evangelicals voted Democratic.

That is the reality that Sen. Clinton has always understood. Barack Obama gets it too. We cannot afford to lose those people in the general election, although I am sure we will lose some of them.  This is what John Edwards is ignoring by stigmitizing the poor and making demands re Iraq. It is about the center; and it will remain that way until we elect a Democratic President.

Dean and his grassroots, 50-state program should continue their great work.  Meanwhile, none of us should be trouncing a Dem candidate right now.  The Republicans will do that very well without our help.

I intend to put my full support behind the Dem nominee, whoever it may be.

 


by marycontrary on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 11:14:48 PM EST

Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

However, as several polls have shown, Edwards does best among moderates and Republicans. He performs better than Hillary and Obama in a hypothetical matchup against McCain.


by Progressive America on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 01:12:26 AM EST
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Re: Zogby Poll Finds Edwards Atop Field in Iowa (none / 0)

The complaint many of us have had about Edwards is that he lacks a "killer instinct" (as though a successful trial lawyer would be a creampuff), but he seems to be doing something about that with his assaults on McCain and Clinton over their Iraq positions.


by Bob H on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 08:07:19 AM EST


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