A Dead National Dialogue

Watching this speech tonight, and the bleatings of the commentariat, was downright creepy.  I remember the first time I felt that the country was unstable, during the Clinton impeachment, the first time I realized that civics wasn't just something boring in textbooks.  Now this feeling of instability in how I think about the country washes over me pretty regularly, and I'm less confident that America is going to make it.  I watch chipper meteorologists and anchormen and women on TV chuckling about the cancellation of winter, and pundits and political elites discussing Bush as some sort of rational figure.  And then I keep hearing about Bush beating the war drums on Iran, as he did tonight.

To get a sense of this disconnect, you have to read this piece by Sidney Blumenthal in Salon.com about why Baker thought Bush would listen to the Iraq Study Group, and how the escalation happened.  It's remarkable.  The group of elder Bush advisors and Bush junior people are so weak-minded, pathetic, and just aristocratic in orientation.  They are profoundly weird, and selfish, and stupid.  Yet, I'm listening to TV personalities discussing how the Democrats may lose credibility on national security like they did after Vietnam, and Barack Obama and Steny Hoyer punting on whether they will actually do anything to stop Bush even though that is what the public has overwhelmingly voted for.

Digby catches this really jarring feeling quite cleanly.

It has never been more clear that the people are irrelevant in our system of government than it is at this moment. Fully 70% of the public disapproves of president Bush's job performance. Even more disapprove of his Iraq policy and a large majority believe it was a mistake to invade and occupy Iraq in the first place. 88% do not want this war war to be escalated. His party just lost a large number of seats in both houses of congress over this issue.

And yet this 30% president with 12% support in the country is going to exactly the opposite of what the country wants him to do and he will get away with it. Democracy? Not so much.

It's very upsetting to have political elites so out of step with a public that just voted for change.  The public says no.  The Congress says no.  And yet Bush is going to escalate the war, and possibly strike Iran as well.  

It feels like a descent into tyranny.  And it's awful.

Update: Revere has posted a moving post on the song 'We Shall Overcome'.



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For the first time I am supremely scared of what the future holds. I agree, I also wish we were talking about American Idol and the wacky weather, but this is life and death here. Bush just THREATENED Iran and Syria with a war and knowing him, he will likely do it. Can you imagine the consequences--forget about this meaningless escalation that changes nothing on the ground, if Bush strikes Iran, what the hell is gonna happen?!

And the Democrats being such pussies doesn't help this either. I am not confident in our Democratic leaders to stop Bush's lunacy. Things could turn into outright chaos in this country. I've never been a supported of impeachment, but this is seriously making me reconsider. We cannot afford to just wait out 2 more years.


by need some wood on Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 11:29:01 PM EST

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I've been scared since December 12, 2000.


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by Michael Bersin on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 07:29:20 AM EST
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It's just sad. I have always been interested in history and politics. I love reading history. Stories and analysis of important military battles, or great political battles or biographies of politicians, the endless topic fascinates me. But I just don't understand this. Why are other politicians not pulling him to the ground and beating him. Why are the American people not screaming tonight and throwing food at the TV?


by jmderosa on Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 11:30:48 PM EST

Elites and Ordinary Americans (none / 0)

The political elites currently running the country are the hired hands of the corporate ruling class.  They do its bidding without regard to consequences for ordinary Americans.  They feel assured, rightly or wrongly, that they will pay no price for their malfeasance.  Our recent history demonstrates that, so far, they are correct.

Ordinary, average Americans have disapproved of, but went along with several atrocities, crimes against democracy, without doing a damned thing.  Examples include Iran-Contra, the S&L bailout, the Clinton impeachment and, most alarmingly, a Supreme Court that said we don't count the votes.

It was that last one that convinced me that our republic was truly in danger.  It wasn't just the decision itself, it was the fact that hardly anyone seemed to have a problem with it.  I recall a conversation with a family member.  Her response to my rant was, "I don't hear any Democrats making a big deal out it, why are you?"  This, from a college-educated, liberal business executive.

I weep for the future when I consider that, even after being swept into power by voters who overwhelmingly oppose Bush's Iraq policies, the opposition party is not going to do anything about it.

One important point:  if they move from their prostrate position, Joe Lieberman will jump to the Republican Party and put the senate back in Republican hands.  Count on it.  The Democratic "leadership" knows this and they are not going to give up their majority.


by James Earl on Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 11:57:07 PM EST

Re: Elites and Ordinary Americans (none / 0)

If Joe switches parties specifically to deny the Democrats control over the Senate floor, and therefore their ability to constrain/defund the war, I think someone else would not necessarily switch parties, but would vote for Harry Reid for Majority Leader.  I dunno if it would be Hagel or Specter or even Gordon Smith, but I think someone would do it.  Is Specter allowed to vote "present" for Majority Leader?  (Actually, without Tim Johnson on the floor, that would leave a 49-49 tie and a Cheney tiebreaker.)

The thing is, Mr 30% approval with 12% surge approval is going to get stopped by his own party.  It takes 66 (or is it 67?) votes in the Senate to override vetoes.  If Bush doesn't watch it it's going to start happening.  It takes those same 67 votes to convict and remove, by the way.

Novak said only 12 senators actually supported the surge.  

The GOP can't afford to get blown out in 2008.  Their own self-interest demands they stop him.  In addition to Coleman, Allard, Sununu, and Collins, they could be losing seats in New Mexico, North Carolina, and in a real worst-case scenario, Tennessee and Kentucky.  (Virginia, Nebraska, Georgia, and Texas depend entirely on retirement/recruitment scenarios.  I just can't see Oklahoma or Kansas happening yet.)  This is on top of watching John McCain lose the presidency, and another 25 people losing in the House, and who knows what in the state legislatures.  They can't get blown out like this.  And Mr 30%/12% will do it to them if they let him.


by texas dem on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 04:45:57 AM EST
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I watched PBS after the speech and was struck how retired Generals and Jim Webb were so coherent, and opposed to Bush's position. The contrast with the mostly retread and largely tactical Bush speech was stunning.

One interesting thing Webb said when asked about the funding was how easily he separated supporting the troops from funding the reconstruction without a clear plan.


by musicsleuth on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:03:27 AM EST

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I think what happens when you see this type of disconnect is that some darkhorse will rise.


by bruh21 on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:08:59 AM EST

What I want to know is... (none / 0)

...what is our next step?

This man, like a petulent child, like the most foppish, blockheaded and cruel 18th Century English lord or French duc, will do whatever he wants whenever he wants, and if taking us straight into the very mouth of hell will allow him to pretend that what he's doing is not only the right thing, not only that it is following the will of God, but more importantly, allows him to defy any and all that dare to call him wrong or at least severely misguided, then so be it.

What are WE going to do?

Because demonstrations will be ignored.

Because both our House and Senate will require serious backbone.  (Senator Obama's and Biden's most recent remarks give me great pause.)  And even then, they may still be ignored.

Because, even if we deny funds for escalation, he will ignore it and do whatever it takes to move funding forward.

Because even if Republicans in the Congress run from supporting the President in the following weeks to protect their own hides, Bush and his cronies in the media will klaxon endlessly how bipartisan he is with co-conspirator Lieberman by his side.

Because, if none of that really has any effect on the American people or the Congress, then the President will, in effect, via signing statements and whatever other powers are at his disposal, act like an utter tyrant to bend his opponents to his will.

According to Jefferson, the Tree of Liberty must be expected, from time to time, to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.  The former has already happened, supplemented by Iraqi civilians and the occasional Jose Padilla or poor sap at Guantanamo, and will now be guaranteed to happen in greater quantity, thanks to this complete denial of reality called escalation.

For now, I'm making sure my friends get better acquainted with their neighbors, especially the ones that live near their place of work.  They'd best get to know bus routes for work and shopping as well.  A little extra firewood and food stashed at home would also be a good bet.  

Because before this is over, they may come to rely on these things and more as how to get through some very rough times ahead.

And in the meantime, I still ask of you - how do we add the tyrant to the mix?

We'd better come up with some answers, and fast.


by palamedes on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:16:21 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (none / 0)

    The issue isn't that the Bush is going to order the increase in troops. As commander in chief, Bush does have the legal authority to send in more troops, regardless of whether people like it or not. He does not have the authority to fund the war or to start wars. Thats what the repeal of the War Powers Act under Nixon was about. The simple fact of the matter is that the Democrats are going to allow the escalation so as to make the Iraq War Bush's War, John McCain's War, and the Republican Party's War. Then, in 2008, they can sweep the board. if you are mad about the escalation, get mad at the Democrats for being cynical and going along for the fruits of 2008, not Bush Co.


by liberal1990 on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:21:48 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (none / 0)

You have to admire a leader who takes a firm look at the hell that Iraq has become and asks, "How fast can this handbasket go?"


by Tatarize on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 08:44:02 AM EST
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Edwards on Leno (none / 0)

When asked about Bush's plan for Iraq, Edwards said he thinks he(Bush) is dead wrong!


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by dk2 on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:40:05 AM EST

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Whether or not democracy is affecting Democrats (and I think it is), it is definitely affecting Republicans.  The fact that Brownback and Lugar and Hagel oppose escalation (solely due to the pressure from the public) --and there will soon be other Republican opponents of escalation--will put  tremendous pressure on Democrats who support escalation or say that we should allow the President his way.

Democrats cannot go along with escalation while Republican presidential candidates oppose it, without great political harm to their own reelection as well as to the Democratic Party's presidential chances in 08.  They cannot allow the Republican candidates to align themselves with a position which has 88 pct support by the American people while they align with escalation which has 12 pct support..  Tauscher has already figured this out, and Steney Hoyer soon will.

The Republican defections change the risk factors completely--Dems can align with the very unpopular escalation and the debacle which will almost certainly follow its implementation, or align with opposition to escalation alongwith the overwhelming majority of the  American public.

Unless Obama changes the position he staked out today, he has doomed his chance for the Democratic normination.  He is now to the right of Hillary Clinton.  McCain has probably also doomed himself.


by bobbles on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:40:55 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (3.00 / 1)

Well, all the Ds are against escalation rhetorically.  (Right??)  They say it's a bad idea, and they're going to vote for the damn nonbinding resolution, as will, we think, Brownback Lugar Hagel Sununu Coleman Collins etc.

If those GOP types are willing to vote for an appropriations attack on the president, I think all the Dems will be on board too.  I doubt the GOP side is willing to deny funding for a surge, and I doubt the Dem side is willing to go it alone -- they probably couldn't hold their 51 votes together, much less overcome a filibuster, much less override a veto (Bush will just threaten to veto any appropriation that doesnt include funding for the surge, and then accuse Dems of defunding the troops).  Ds won't defund the surge unless they've got 10 Rs with them -- for legislative reasons as well as political ones.  

Now, I bet you within 8 months, ten or so Rs will have joined with us in some similar maneuver.  They may not be there yet, but Bush WILL NOT CHANGE COURSE, and politically the GOP needs him to for its own survival.  I think there will come a time when 60 senators (which is how many it takes to do anything anyway) strike hard.

Our job is probably to help create the public-opinion conditions for that.  Which includes communicating just how strong public opinion is to our Democratic leaders in DC.  They didn't see Iraq clearly until the netroots and Lamont showed them; we need to make sure they see where we all are on this.


by texas dem on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:01:22 AM EST
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Re: A Dead National Dialogue (none / 0)

I agree that Bush's new strategy is nothing new except sending more U.S. troops into harms way in Baghdad.

Flying in the face of overwhelming popular opposition to remaining in Iraq, his speech showed that his administration has no intention of letting go of the permanent military bases the U.S. has been building in Iraq, the control that Western interests have gained over the Iraqi economy and oil, and the construction in the Green Zone of a U.S. command and control center for its operations in the Middle East and beyond.

Their strategy seems to be to try to create a new center of gravity politically by playing the Lieberman card. The Democrats in Congress, however, are not going to be able to lie down for this power play because their constituents will not stand for it.

Bush, Rove, Cheney & Co. are grasping at straws. The American people are calling the shots and it is just a matter of time until they shout loud enough through the polls and their votes that they want the U.S. to withdraw once and for all. I believe that Democrats and Republicans in Congress are eventually going to coalesce in recognizing that they have no choice but to cut off the funding in order to keep more lives from being lost and billions more taxpayer dollars from being poured down the bottomless pit of Republican militarism.


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by Nancy Bordier on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:41:51 AM EST

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Matt,

What are you whining about? It's time to phonebank the dems. We elected em. We want them to reign in the executive. They have the power of the purse. Everyone needs to get on the phone tomorrow and everyday after to make them understand we want this warshit to end. There's more of us then there are backers of the "escalation". We need to make it really ugly. We need to force the dems to make it really ugly.

This is exactly the time you make the big money as the house. Bush has everything at stake. You can see the fear in his eyes. All dems have to do is stand up and say no.

If the blogsphere is to matter we have to be loud and unified when our own people are off the reservation. If we can't police our own we are no better than the rightwing zombies. It's time to make our voices heard. More Americans agree with us now then they did on election day.


by smacfarl on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:23:02 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (none / 0)

It's time to phonebank the dems. We elected em. We want them to reign in the executive. They have the power of the purse. Everyone needs to get on the phone tomorrow and everyday after to make them understand we want this warshit to end. There's more of us then there are backers of the "escalation".

You're damn right.

I called my senator's office in Washington yesterday (she's supposed to get an e-mail address today and her web site is supposed to be operating next week). I told the nice person on the other end of the phone that I was sure glad they (Claire and Claire's staff) were all there now. She answered that they were all glad to be there. I continued, asking that Senator McCaskill (man, I like the sound of that) consider voting for Senator Kennedy's bill, rather than the "sense of the Senate" version.

This morning, in the Kansas City Star:

"I oppose this escalation because it appears to be grounded on a stubbornness of the president to realize that what is happening in Iraq is not going to be helped by additional troops...the sectarian conflict has become so dominant in Iraq that it makes it impossible for our troops to be anything other than target practice" between Sunni and Shiite.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, Missouri Democrat


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by Michael Bersin on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 07:27:26 AM EST
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GW is doing the best that he can do considering what he has to work with.  At least he has found a few friends among the masses who will support him.

This just keeps getting better and better...


by flerkk on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:35:15 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (3.00 / 1)

My question is: what do we do? I understand that the President, as Digby puts it, is governing by tantrum. I understand that only 12% of Americans support escalation. Governmentally, however--what do we do?

I understand that we can impeach the man--and then what? You need 67 votes to convict him and remove him from office. Tell me--which 17 or 18 Republicans will vote to get rid of their own President? That assumes that all 49 Dems vote to remove him. Tell me--do you see Blanche Lambert Lincoln voting that way? How about Dianne Feinstein? Or Jay Rockefeller?

You say defund the war. Fine, I'm there. Realize, however, that the money for Iraq & Afghanistan for this fiscal year has already been allocated, and most likely budgeted, if not spent, so we're there at least through September 30, money-wise.

So what do we do? And please, this is a serious question, so I'd like serious answers. Don't talk to me about street protests, because never in our history has an organized street protest brought down a government--and there's no evidence, based on my personal experience, that the current anti-war movement can organize itself to do that.


by Arkhangel on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:45:53 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (3.00 / 1)

Kennedy has a bill to explicitly not fund the surge.  No appropriations are to be spent for soldiers in excess of current level of 138,000, etc.

Congress could pass a "no surprise strike on Iran" bill.

Congress could, in fact, defund the whole war.

By the way, September 30, 2007 is about the fastest we could pull out our troops anyway, assuming we're not going for a roofs of Saigon sort of scene.

There are many serious options.  There are fewer that don't get into the weeds of Congress's power of appropriations vs the president's power as commander-in-chief, which is a big part of why Dems are so skittish -- this does get Constitutional pretty quickly.  But Congress defunded Vietnam in 1973(?), and they can do it again.

There are many meaningful actions other than impeach-convict-remove.  Not that there's anything wrong with that one, just that we probably won't see it happen that way.  It'll be death-by-appropriations first.  If the President won't accept the override of his veto on that, then we'll be looking at impeach-convict-remove.


by texas dem on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:11:26 AM EST
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Re: A Dead National Dialogue (3.00 / 1)

I didn't watch the speech.  That smirking fucker makes me want to break things when he speaks.  But I caught a bit of the commentary afterwards, and it was so empty and vapid that it made my brain hurt.  Tim Russert got on national TV and said that now, with the escalation, the next 6 months would be "dead serious."  How utterly detatched from reality do you have to be to say something like that?  It wasn't "dead serious" before?  3000 US soldiers are dead.  Tens of thousands are wounded.  HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Iraqis are dead and wounded!  And what, Tim?  Was it a game before now?  A joke?  Until President Codpiece decided to kill thousands more people, and it just suddenly became serious?  I hate these people so bad.


by libdevil on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:54:51 AM EST

Why Hate On Obama? (3.00 / 1)

Here he is tonight:
"Tonight, against all military advice to the contrary, the President announced his intention to plunge us ever deeper into the quagmire of Iraq. I have no doubt that the President is sincere in believing that his strategy is the right one. But escalation has already been tried and it has already failed, because no amount of American forces can solve the political differences that lie at the heart of somebody else's civil war.

I opposed giving the President the broad, open-ended authority to wage this war in 2002 partly because I feared we would arrive at this point -- a point where the ideological pursuit of an ill-defined victory would overwhelm the reality of the facts on the ground. We must not risk more American lives in service of a failed policy, but do what's necessary to force a political settlement in Iraq so that we can bring our troops home and redouble our nation's efforts in the wider struggle against terrorism."

and this:
"It is time for us to send a message to the Iraqis that they have to stand up. And we can be partners with them. We can mobilize the international community to support them. But for us to simply think that by adding 15,000 or 20,000 more troops, as opposed to beginning a phased withdrawal, that we're sending that message, I think we're making a very bad mistake. And I'm going to see what we can do here in Congress to ensure that the initial mistake of going into Iraq is not compounded by this further mistake."

Sounds good to me. We'll get a non-binding resolution vote next week as a starter, which Obama supports, along with hearings and go from there trying to do as much as they can, given that they're not the commander-in-chief. Hoyer and Lieberman are Dem. problems. But Obama's one of the good guys. He's not perfect. But then we can't all be Matt Stoller.


by DonBinTN on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 02:43:42 AM EST

Re: Why Hate On Obama? (3.00 / 1)

Obama's not the problem here.  If we have the votes for an appropriations override, it won't be Obama standing in the way.  Whether the Congress is currently ready for the appropriations route seems to be the big question of the month, and we don't really know the answer yet.  It's possible.  But whether it happens or not has absolutely jackshit to do with Obama.

The key maneuvering right now is going on on the Republican side.  Dems all oppose the surge.  All.  Freakin Vilsack opposes the surge.  It's a question of how many Rs oppose it, and how strongly.  The appropriations route takes 60 votes, and probably 67, to succeed.  If there's even 7 GOP senators willing to play ball, I'll bet on a quart of my own blood that Obama and every Dem but maybe maybe two will be there.  If there's 10 GOP Senators, then we've picked up Ben Nelson too, invoked cloture, and forced a veto.  If there's 16 GOP Senators with us we win.

I suppose if there's a disagreement here, it's a reprise of the Alitibuster.  Senate Dems aren't willing to pick a fight they can't win.  They don't care to force a rollcall vote on denying appropriations for the surge if they know they'll only get 43 or 49 or 52 votes.  They don't want to force their own members on the record for no legislative result.  Passing a nonbinding resolution (that splits the GOP caucus) is one thing; taking a rollcall on denying funding to troops, any troops, in such a way that the Dem caucus is split, is another.

They will do it if they can win, not if they know they'll lose.

Again, this was the Alitibuster.  Durbin said he had 38 votes, but that's after you've forced guys like Kent Conrad and Bill Nelson on the record.  You don't do that to your own vulnerable members, just to make a TV statement, unless you're going to win.  If you want a statement for TV purposes, well, that's what "voting against" is for.  I am confident that if Durbin had counted 41 votes they'd have pulled the trigger... at least, I hope they would have.  (And I argued at the time they should flip Lincoln Chafee to do it.)

Obama will go on record as against the surge, and he'll vote to deny appropriations if he thinks that vote can be won.  If it can't be won, he might vote for the Kennedy bill anyway, but there won't be a caucuswide effort to make Mark Fuckin Pryor vote for it.

Actually, now that I've been running my mouth, I wonder if Kennedy's bill is going to get voted on regardless.  Kennedy could be in exactly the position Kerry was in when he forced a cloture vote on Alito.  Interesting caucus politics there.

If there's another disagreement here, its about what kind of rhetorical obligations Obama has -- ie, should he be talking about approprations attacks, regardless of whether that's a settled and successful legislative strategy.  I don't follow TV rhetoric closely at all, so I've got no real opinion there.  "I strongly, strongly, strongly oppose the escalation... we're talking strategy currently in the Senate" is all I'd really expect.  Talking about specific appropriations strategies just sends reporters off chasing Kent Conrad in a way that is not helpful to us.  WE can chase Kent Conrad, but let's not have reporters do it.

But again, I really don't follow TV rhetoric closely, so my opinions on that kind of thing are poorly developed.


by texas dem on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:50:43 AM EST
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Re: A Dead Everything (none / 0)

Bush and Cheney need to be removed from office.  They are going to blow up Iran...  We are going to have a freaking regional war in the middle east that he made.  He is going to kill Iranians who think their leader is an ass that needs to be replaced (sound familiar) because he is saber rattling. - bull shit.  This is a war for corporate America, they want oil.  Hoyer and Obama are whistling to the Johns on 8 Mile.  This is exactly why Obama needs to stay in his room until he grows a pair. On top of a war, this country's economy is going to tank, big.  The housing market is a disaster (one year and houses can't sell, while people are getting their homes foreclosed).  NO jobs, no health care.  Homeless numbers up?  You ain't seen nothing yet.  I would like to send every stupid ass who voted for this administration to Gitmo for some of Bush's idea of justice.  


by dkmich on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:18:01 AM EST

Re: A Dead Everything (none / 0)

For an analysis of the clear signs that Bush & Co are preparing to attack Iran, see the following from CommonDreams.org:

Published on Tuesday, January 9, 2007 by The Nation
Ominous Signs of a Wider War
by Michael T. Klare
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0109 -29.htm

The refusal of the Bush administration to respect the results of the 2006 election, public opinion polls or the advice of the Iraq Study Group and negotiate with Iraq's neignbors, demonstrates that it is not intending to be curbed by any forces outside the White House.

The dangers posed by this renegade administration extend far beyond adding 20,000 troops to the Iraqi cauldron. The question is how long it is going to take to get Congress to recognize that it alone has the power to stop the enslaught -- and then use that power.


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by Nancy Bordier on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:55:59 PM EST
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No change in policy (none / 0)

Bush indicated in his speech last night that he was not changing, he is staying the course.  No matter how much Bush spins this one, he doesn't have many more troops to put in Iraq.  A few more troops is an illusion Bush is creating to disguise the fact that his policy is still "stay the course".  Nothing is different from the same old failed policy of the past 4 years.

Bush is still  unwilling to pursue negotiations with the parties out of power that are behind the insurgency.  Bush cannot seem to separate the anti-Israel policies of Iran and Syria (where we disagree) from the Iraq policy where Iran wins with a stable Shia led government and Syria loses if the flood of refugees into Syria does not abate.  Without actively seeking a political solution to Iraq, there will be no solution.

As Sid Blumenthal notes, Rice is Secretary of State not to engage the diplomats in the State Department, but to make sure that the long time employees at State are cut out of the loop and only Bush functionaries at the top are allowed to operate.

The real need is to focus on requiring Bush to actively pursue a diplomatic track.  Congressional leaders have talked with the Syrians and they need to continue to do so and blast Bush for not talking to them as well.


by bakho on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 08:22:10 AM EST

Re: A Dead National Dialogue (none / 0)

"Watching this speech tonight, and the bleatings of the commentariat, was downright creepy."

Hmm...I saw the opposite.  I only watched NPR but Gen. Trainer and Gen. Odom, the two expert guests, pretty much excoriated Bush Jr. as totally out to lunch.

Senator Webb also.  The pro-Bush Jr view was Senator Thune and he simply had nothing to say other than follow the leader.

All the next day commentary also seemed to be completly negative, having the opposite effect Bush Jr wanted.

So I found it kind of hopeful that the vast majority consider Bush Jr's move a desperate and meaningless act.

Fineman's commentary that Bush Jr looked "scared" is probably the one that infuriated the Bush Jr admin the most given their "drugstore cowboy" macho self image.


by BrionLutz on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 08:58:48 AM EST


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