Banned from DKos

Let's see if My DD members act like DKos members would to this post!

CHUM 1 "ch um" informal, noun: a poster that seeks out controversial diaries or comments in order to make inflammatory statements and then troll rate anyone who stands up to them. Often seen impersonating a Progressive, they can be found in packs, usualy kissing each other's rectums and convincing themselves that they are not acting like a NeoCon. CHUMS are well known for being given a tiny amount of power only to abuse it on a consistent basis.

Well, the abusive CHUMs at DKos have managed to troll me right out of there. At least it appears that way. I can't edit my own diaries or post comments. BooHooHoo. I'm curious to know from the users here if many have had the same experience when they've stood up to the small group that seems to feel they can do as they please because they have the power (virtual though it may be) to troll rate. I don't care about not being there, I was rarely there as it was and so lost my Trusted User Status. But I have noticed a pattern from my first days. Someone posts a comment or a diary that people don't like. Not one that could be considered trollish as defined by Dkos, and then the CHUMs show up. These are those on DKos that are the true trolls. They troll around and seem to gravitate toward the diaries that are getting the most hits, most often than not because of a flame war created by these same sycophants.

UDPATE: 0939 hours. Smedley Hirkum, why do you assume I made imfammitory comments? Seems to me your statement is a bit vague and somewhat like a baiting tactic used by the CHUMs. Not saying you're not being sincere, just curious, that's all.

They then make childish remarks and sometimes call you a name. They more often than not ALWAYS throw the first punch. When you stand up to them, they circle like a pack of wolves and move in. The sad part is that most of them can't even hold a decent argument nor do they write well enough to contribute to an elementary school newspaper much less a nationally recognized political blog. I've noticed certain traits among them.
One is that they almost never provide the person they're trolling with a substantive argument and then, when that person has grown tired of their banal arguments and boils it down to a very truthful "You're an asshole" they go nuts, and accuse you of behaving exactly as they have been behaving all along.
Second is that they are very narcissistic. They will never attempt at a reconciliation because to them, it is war. If you attack in kind, you are always wrong. If you post about what a hypocritical ass they are, you get hit with lame recipes and more name calling. usually a lot of comments about you whining which, of course, is exactly what they've been doing all along themselves.
Third is that the almost always abuse the user definitions of what a troll rating is and then ignore ones rebuttal completely. It's the hall mark of a sociopath to, when caught in a lie, go right one with what ever they're doing and not blink an eye. No remorse, never wrong. I'm not saying they are sociopaths, but there are similarities.

The most striking thing is that they act EXACTLY like the NeoCons; to the letter. If you say that, then look out because how dare you call them on it. It must be hard to run around in the guise of a Progressive yet act like a NeoCon. Attack with out substance and then blame who ever they've attacked for the attack, and then punish those who speak truth to (perceived) power.
They are a real piece of work and a blister on the landscape of progressive thought. How can one call oneself a progressive only to then stifle others from their opinions and, in the process, consistently abuse what little power you have been given in trust to keep the community open to ideas and discourse, even if you don't like what is being said?
As long as there is a substantive argument, how can it be bad? That's a lot different than someone simply responding "you suck" which, if that were the comment in and of itself, not one brought on by being pushed in that direction by a CHUM or having been troll rated inappropriately, then a troll rating is what would be deserved.


Poll
Do some DKos users abuse the Troll Rating system?
Yes
No

Votes: 20
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


Well, of course (none / 0)

Troll ratings get serially abused, even by some of the people who should know better there.

But what is coming here and bitching about it going to do? And what was your user ID there? And what was your post about? It's a bit disingenuous to attack dKos without providing a little background.


by PsiFighter37 on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:30:30 PM EST

Interestingly phrased poll question (none / 0)

Some people do a lot of things. But you shouldn't make inflammatory statements and expect that people won't mind.


by Smedley Hirkum on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:50:50 PM EST

Re: Banned from DKos (none / 0)

I'm looking for a coherent thought in here, but it's hard work. You haven't provided any evidence to support your contentions, just attacking unnamed posters sans examples.

Do some posters abuse the system? Undoubtedly. Has that hapened in your case? Who knows - you don't seem willing to let us decide for ourselves.


by PantherDem on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 12:47:35 AM EST

Re: Banned from DKos (none / 0)

All I know about dKos is that it's too crowded for me. Also, I've never cared to know what the rating stuff is about or use it.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 01:18:25 AM EST

Same (none / 0)

I like the site and I post there occasionally but when there's a diary with 492 comments, really what's the point of another one?

I have never used the ratings or looked at my own.


by jagakid on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 03:23:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Banned from DKos (none / 0)

When you refuse to show anyone the substance of what you said, it's natural for people to assume it's because you don't want them to see it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 01:20:34 AM EST

Re: Banned from DKos (none / 0)

26 hidden comments in a day and a half this week.


by Adam B on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 09:15:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This is MyDD, not Dailykos (3.00 / 2)

We are not the same place. This is not relevant.
by Chris Bowers on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 08:30:43 AM EST

Re: Banned from DKos (none / 0)

That site has turned into one big circle jerk with Kos in the middle.  Its a waste of time.  A decent thread (few and far between) gets a gizillion responses, and almost all are worthless.  All heat, no light.

Furthermore, as you found out, if you don't go along to get along you are toast.  

Thats the best thing about Mydd.  It is more open to different positions and there is a lot more substance.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 09:14:42 AM EST

Please amend poll to add a 3d choice- (none / 0)

"Don't care."

Why does this diary remind me of a jr. high student complaining that the cool kids were mean to him?


by lonemorriscodem on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 09:37:43 AM EST

Interesting, thoughtful posts...mostly (none / 0)

I appreciate all the input. With the exception of those demanding proof, they have been thoughtful. Even those demanding proof have been courteous, the exception being the person who listed my number of hidden comments. There is no use to explain why it happened, that's not the point of this diary. The point was for me to have a forum why I know some DKos members come to post, perhaps even the CHUM about whom I write. And of course to see what kind of response it would generate. There is one similarity with DKos here; there are more comments to this diary than any other diary I've posted. I find that odd. While I agree that the title itself may lend to more people being curious and reading it, it does make me wonder why? Sure it's nice to hear when some one agrees with you, and it's informative to have someone say that this is the wrong community for this post. But there have been a couple here that are, in my opinion, down and out baiting, Kosian comments much in a CHUM fashion. I'm not saying they are CHUM, but they may be. Thanks again. BTW, if there are any CHUM here, why not invite your friends from DKos over to take a look. Maybe they can share their infinite wisdom with the members here.


"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein
by A Patriot on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 10:21:34 AM EST

The Situation On The (DKos) Blog (none / 0)

The biggest difference between DKos and MyDD is that on DKos, there is a legion of neocon assassins who never post diaries or make comments, but regularly get more liberal posters banned by laying truckloads of "0s" on their comments. That doesn't happen so easily on MyDD, since tons of "0s" usually just lower your "mojo," but you can still post. Trying to figure out Markos is a lot like trying to figure out John Kerry. These guys are very complicated in ways I find irksome. In addition to their superabundance of stealth trolls, DKos has this sort of goofy liberal choir that many find comforting, but others find suffocating. But they do have a few really great posters who write very interesting material.


by blues on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 10:23:38 AM EST

PS. (none / 0)

The only other CUMHish comment besides naming the number of hidden comments and the time frame was the one in reference to my diary being that of a Jr. High student. Classic CHUM, both of them..


"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein
by A Patriot on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 10:26:27 AM EST


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