PA-Sen: Reports of Casey's Demise Greatly Exaggerated

Two new polls on the Pennsylvania Senate race. Both of them still show Casey in command. First, the Keystone poll:

Casey: 45%(44%)
Santorum: 38% (39%)
Romanelli: 5% (5%)
As people have noted, this is a Republican-heavy sample where Philadelphia only makes up 6% of the survey. Yeah, that is going to happen. In 2004, we made up 11.1% of the Pennsylvania vote, 80% of it going to Democrats. Also, the idea that Romanelli will get 5% is laughable. Nader only got 2% in PA in 2000. Romanelli might not even be on the ballot. Despite all this, Casey still improves.

Then there is this poll from IssuesPA:
1201 RVs MoE 3%
Bob Casey 52%
Rick Santorum 31%
Carl Romanelli 3%
Bob Casey may not be the most energetic campainger, but he is handling Rick Sanoturm just fine. Adding in the new poll from Issues PA, the five-poll average in this campaign now stands at Casey 49.8%--Sanotrum 38.0%. Looks like an easy pickup.



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Reports of Casey's Demise Greatly Exaggerated (none / 0)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/22/ 133046/377

I think its a good diary I pointed out showing that:

Gov. Rendell has a huge 20-25pt lead, and his machine WILL turn out the Philadelphia area (and suburbs) in huge numbers. This race is great all around because the candidate, Swann, is seen as a joke to many conservatives and moderate Republicans, they are not going to be driven to the polls to vote for this guy. However, Rendell will guarantee that the Solid base Democrats will get out and vote.

Dem Senate Nominee Bob Casey has a GOLDEN family name, and has a 10-15pt lead over incumbent Rick Santorum. Normally, Santorum's conservative base would come out in droves for him, however a significant chunk of that base are older voters who very fondly remember Bob Casey Sr. with his staunch pro life views that his son carries very deeply. Casey will win and with him he'll draw out many "Reagan Democrats" and indepedents that Rendell wouldn't drive to the polls on his own. That's two big races drawing out the entire spectrum of the Democratic Party.


by thorgrim on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 03:58:23 PM EST

Re: Reports of Casey's Demise Greatly Exaggerated (none / 0)

Santorum is also in the dog house with his ultra conservative base because he backed the more moderate Senator Spector over the conservative Pat Toomey in their hard fought primary battle in 2004.


by Quinton on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 04:21:24 PM EST
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Re: PA-Sen: Reports of Casey's (none / 0)

Santorum ended this race as soon as he tried to use casey's father against him on Mtp.


by orin76 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 04:09:58 PM EST

Reports of Casey's (none / 0)

Chris,

How is it that some polls are "Republican-heavy?"
Wouldn't any pollster worth reading make sure that there is reasonable balance in the demographic he is surveying?


by global yokel on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 04:51:08 PM EST
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Re: Reports of Casey's (none / 0)

Keystone has said (and I've spoken to staff there) that they can't predict turnout until close to an election, but only 6% in Philadelphia is nonsense.


by Adam B on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 10:55:20 PM EST
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Greens never do that well in PA (none / 0)

As a former Green in PA, I remember well that Nader was consistently at 5% in the 2000 polls in PA and 7% before being kicked off the ballot in 2004. (See http://www.fandm.edu/x2336.xml for 2000 and http://www.swingstateproject.com/2004/03 /nader_hurting_k.php for 2004.)

Romanelli will get 1% or less when people actually go to the booths. The other 7% represented in this poll will go to Casey.


by sxp151 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 04:49:32 PM EST

Re:Keystone Poll (none / 0)

This particular poll did oversample Republicans and also the "T" and the NW, but the Keystone Poll always puts all its numbers out there from each successive poll in their marginal frequency report.
(If you've never read this part of the poll, it's great stuff.) Anyway, you can judge each sample against every other one. Also, the Keystone Poll does weight its result for demographic balance.

The interesting thing is, though, that when the sample was more Democratic, Casey got nearly the same numbers. It tells me there must be a lot of Republicans in Pennsy who are dissatified with
Santorum one way or the other.

I agree that if Romanelli remains on the ballot - and the judge is dragging the case out long enough that absentee ballots will probably go out with his name on them - he won't draw 5%, maybe 2-3% tops and it will come from BOTH candidates. I say this because of the very strong anti-incumbent sentiment in the SW and the south central parts of the state. These voters, who would normally be probable Santorum votes, are likely to vote for Romanelli purely because he's an outsider.


by phillydem on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 05:54:22 PM EST

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When I spoke to them last year, they said they didn't weight for balance.  Where did you hear that from?


by Adam B on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 10:57:16 PM EST
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Re:Keystone Poll (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure I got it off their website either from a poll or reading their methodology. I recall being surprised to learn that.

But, regardless, the Keystone Poll puts all their data out there so you can analyze and compare data points.


by phillydem on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 04:58:09 AM EST
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Romanelli is off the ballot (none / 0)

Just in-According to AP Romanelli is off the ballot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060923/ap_o n_re_us/green_party_candidate;_ylt=AsJZT 0oFxUQ4JERq_8hRdiNI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJ vMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
by cmpnwtr on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 09:41:44 PM EST

Re: No. He's not off until... (none / 0)

...a judge quashes his appeal on Monday.  It's another nail in the coffin but I won't celebrate until there's a final no-further-appeals decision rendered by a court.


by InigoMontoya on Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 10:14:32 PM EST
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Re: No. He's not off until... (none / 0)

I suspect the sudden move is because the absentee ballots start to go out September 30. I understand they've already been printed, but perhaps this is intended to allow at least enough time for Romanelli's name to be manually blackened out.

The judge in this case let it drag on entirely too long, IMHO. He should have had the court hire a couple teams of independent reviewers, a handwriting expert and a statistician to select a valid random sample of pages to review for signature validity and had the results back to the court in 2 or 3 weeks.
Having two person teams of 1 D and 1 GP rep review every signature and agree only led to delays and arguments and fisticuffs in on case.


by phillydem on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 05:07:12 AM EST
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