Zogby Interactive Polls

The very fun (unless you're a Republican) Zogby interactive polling candy is up with the September results.

The best Senate treats are those showing Lamont trailing Lieberman just 46-42 percent; George Allen getting whooped by Jim Webb 50-43; and Mfume leading Steele by 50-39 percent. The less tasty is that Casey has seen his lead over Santorum close to 47-43; Ensign is leading Carter 52-40; and Nelson's lead over Harris has dropped below 20, now 51-33.

This month's wtf! happens in Texas, where Radnofsky has pulled within single-digits vs Hutchinson, 48-39 percent, and Bell is within 5% of Perry on the Gov side, 30-25-22-11 percent.

On the Gov side, Zogby shows the Dems gaining 6 seats to go to a 28-22 advantage. And at least according to Zogby (and I believe it's likely true), Strickland is not going to have an easy cakewalk in Ohio against Blackwell, with a slimmer lead now of 48-42.



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Messed up (none / 0)

Didn't Gallup have Bob Casey up by double digits in a recent poll?

Zogby interactive polls are all over the place.


by rosebowl on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:09:13 PM EST

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Zogby Interactive... the same online polling outfit that showed Kerry within three points of Bush in Tennessee on Nov. 1, 2004.

Right.

Why do people discuss Zogby Interactive without an appropriate disclaimer first?


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by HellofaSandwich on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:11:20 PM EST

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I figure if you are coming to this site, you already know.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:18:24 PM EST
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Nah.  Lots of people run around on blogs quoting Zogby Interactive numbers as if they have legitimacy--when in actuality, they're grabbing the only good numbers they can find for their campaign, which sometimes come from Zogby's questionable interactive polls.  It's almost sad to see it.


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by HellofaSandwich on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:06:35 PM EST
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This polling looks a bit more accurate then the past polling which had cater with the margin of error and now, they have carter down by double digit, which is about right.

I think the webb-allen polling is off by a few points..I dont believe that allen is down by 7..Ill say allen is down, but within the margin of error.

The lieberman-lamont result is just about right..Lieberman is ahead, but i also think that lamont is with the margin of error, and because lamont has the backing of the labor's union and the party, he will win this with good GOTV which lieberman will no have.

The tx-senate is probably off.I dont believe barbara is down by single digit and let me say that i wish it was so because the republicans would have to spend money there instead of not spending a dime on this battle.
I wish barbara the best and pray that a more credible poll shows her within striking distance.


by Maria19Rodriguez on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:33:05 PM EST

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As usual, Zogby entertainment interactive polls are completely the opposite of what pretty much everyone else says.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:34:18 PM EST

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blehh. I hate this Zogby shit.


by b1oody8romance7 on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:38:23 PM EST

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I'm amazed at how consistently inconsistent all of Zogby's interactive polls are.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:40:45 PM EST
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I am always somewhat skeptical of Zogby's numbers.  I can't believe that Webb is that far ahead of Allen although it would be great to win that one.  Each cycle there is almost always one upset that nobody really believes is going to occur.  Hopefully this is the one.

And what's up with Casey?  If I were running that campaign, it would quotes from Santorum's book all the time.  He did you oppo research for you.  Use it!


by John Mills on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:45:15 PM EST

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They are. The latest Casey ad features a working woman discussing how her family couldn't possibly live on just her husband's income, as Santorum suggested they do.


by PantherDem on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:39:14 PM EST
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Glad to hear it.  That makes me feel better.  Santorum is in this situation partially because of that book.  Not sure what he was thinking but thanks Rick.


by John Mills on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:54:20 PM EST
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Just watched the Casey ad.  Pretty good.  


by John Mills on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 08:31:30 AM EST
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corker-ford: i believe in this battle being close, but because ford is black and a democrat, people will think twice about voting for him.I wish it wasnt so, but you have those kind of folks that just wouldnt trust a black guy to represent them.
Some of them who were polled,probably said they would vote for ford because of corkers campaign blunders, but once they get in the booth to vote for ford,it might be a different story.

Talent-mccaskill: for claire to win, she will have to get out the vote in those heavy democratic cities like st louis and others...Bill clinton came to campaign for her this weekend and this should re energize the base, but she better get to work and make sure that as many people gets to vote...If she gets a strong showing from those huge cities, then talent is toast even if he carries the burbs by a good margin..

pederson-kyl: i wish those numbers were true.Pederson down by single digit is somewhat of a good news in my opinion..I think pederson is down by double digit..Maybe 10-11, no more no less.


by Maria19Rodriguez on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:45:18 PM EST

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the zogby poll has always put Pederson close to Kyl.  I have no idea why.


by beeswax49 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 08:20:37 AM EST
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by Maria19Rodriguez on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 10:45:34 PM EST

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Or Mason-Dixon, for that matter? Stick with Ras, SUSA, Research2000, ARG and Quinnipiac for the states they cover for the best results. Even Strategic Vision is better than these Zogby interactives.  


by Davidsfr on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:12:37 PM EST

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Aren't these polls biased and not valid statistically? Frankly isn't the same poll touted by Pennachio's supporters earlier in the year that their candidate could beat Santorum too?


by jiacinto on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:36:59 PM EST

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My stats Prof would freak. This polls are seriously flawed just read this: "Zogby Interactive of Utica, N.Y. has assembled a database of individuals who have registered to take part in online polls through solicitations on the company's Web site as well as other Web sites";in other words, this is NOT random polling at all. It is key to acctually try to find a random sample; this poll does the exact opposite--it makes you come to them. I would imagine that if you took a closer look at that math the margin of errors would be more like 15-20. I am not a whiz but after taking a stats class it is much easier to see flaws in these polls.


Jeremy Bentham is a tool!!
by Foward with Feingold on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:49:39 PM EST

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I've seen a lot of Zogby polls and I'm still very skeptical.

Has he gotten it right in any race?

phat


by phatass on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:58:06 PM EST

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He did well in 2000 and not since.


by CountMippipopolous on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 12:37:22 AM EST
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For a long time, it was my job to take polls and make sense of them for Dem candidates and create message.  I moved on to another field in 1998, partly out of frustration with the "establishment," a group I was trying to crack but for whom I had little respect because of all the flaws blogs like this one have been busy pointing out over the last few cycles.

But I still have the bug and read sites like this often.  This is my first comment on any political blog.

Zogby's methods are suspect, and I'm most troubled by the CT Sen numbers.  While Zogby admits he "adjusts" his interactive numbers to account for (basically unknowable) on-line sampling error vis a vis other traditional polls, based on ancedotal evidence, I'd expect Lamont to be whooping on Lieberman in a poll that is dependent on internet response.  All the evidence says that the active on-line community is overwhelmingly in favor of Lamont.  No one outside of Zogby's firm really know how he "adjusts," but given the advantage he's finding for Webb in VA, Lamont's people should be worried.

I suspected that Lieberman's own poll released on the 10th were off; the numbers suggest that it's either an outlier or that it was conducted in a way that would give results that could be released for political and fundraising reasons, but now I'm not so sure.

I look forward to Quinnipiac's next survey on this race (despite their woeful pre-primary poll that had Lamont up by 13) and Rasmussen, despite my concerns over their robo calling method.


by BillN on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 03:22:50 AM EST

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"Casey has seen his lead over Santorum close to 47-43" I'm not sure if this says more about the incompetence of Casey, Schumer of people who live in PA. Santorum is a nut case. If he wasn't a Senator, he would have been committed to an institution long ago.
by dkmich on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 06:20:25 AM EST

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I have a real hard time believing those numbers on Casey.  Every other poll has him up anywhere from 8 to 10 points (or bigger) and Santorum can't seem to rise above 40%.


by beeswax49 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 08:23:34 AM EST
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CNN had Casey up by 18 points just a week ago.


by elrod on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 11:33:34 AM EST
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We always question the methodology -- that's why you call it candy -- and results of these polls because of it, but they also get the basic info wrong.  Jon Corzine is not the incumbent Senator in New Jersey.


by nathan on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 06:48:07 AM EST

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Try these:

http://www.electoral-vote.com:2006/


by Cold Porter on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 07:17:09 AM EST

Is VA correct? (none / 0)

Does anyone know?  Zogby shows Webb in front of the MOE.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 11:01:37 AM EST

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To me, that's as big of a wtf! as Texas.  I have a hard time believing that a guy who just went on tv for the first time is up like that.


by Adam B on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 11:54:30 AM EST
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Has Zogby ever explained why Montana and Rhode Island aren't worth polling?


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 12:14:24 PM EST

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He believed early in the cycle that both incumbents were safe, and would rather continue pretending than to admit a mistake (this is the same guy who swears up and down that his polls weren't bad in 2004, remember).

There may also be a methodology problem - ie, he may not have enough potential respondents from those states to form a large enough pool from one month to the next. You'd think NM and NV would have the same problem, though.


by PantherDem on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 03:13:46 PM EST
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I was guessing the latter enabled the former.  Who is it that sponsors/pays for Zogby and why?  Is he just connected (WSJ, etc.) or what?


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 05:03:32 PM EST
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On the Senate side, I just plain don't believe Zogby in AZ, TX, VA, MD, or PA.  

Nobody else shows AZ, TX, and PA as being nearly that close, and I can't think of a reason to believe it in any of those three cases.  Nobody believes Mfume, should he beat Cardin in tomorrow's primary, is 11 points ahead of Steele. And nobody believes Webb's running 7 points ahead of Allen.

That's 5 out of 18 that don't pass even a crude 'smell test.'

And not that it matters much, given the unreliability of the polling, but why does Zogby poll the Senate races in TX, NM, WI, NY, and FL, none of which have a remote chance of changing hands, and not poll MT and RI, which are 2 of the 4 best Dem pickup opportunities?  Makes no sense at all, but fortunately, it doesn't really matter.


by RT on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 12:22:29 PM EST

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Casey is running good ads in Pennsylvania, but he's not yet willing to go for the jugular.  

He needs to remind the voters that Santorum does not live in Pennsylvania.  He needs to ask them if they want to be represented by a Pennsylvanian or a Virginian.  

And then run film of Santorum saying that Pennsylvania should be represented by someone from Pennsylvania, which he said when he made his winning run for the Senate.

I swear that Casey doesn't run like he wants the seat.  


by zak822 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 05:52:07 PM EST


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