For America, Democracy Is Always More Important Than Security

I should not be blogging this late, but I have to make a quick post before bed on a subject that has been irritating me for a while. Ever since 9/11, politicians of both parties, as we can see in Harold Ford's commercial below, have been saying lines that are a variation on "nothing is more important than our security." Well, you know what? That is bullshit. There is something more important to America and Americans than security: democracy.

Protecting American democracy should be the first priority of anyone seeking office. Protecting our nation comes second. America actually was founded in order to protect our democracy, rather than our nation. The civil war was fought to protect and further our democracy. There is no such thing as American identity without democracy. If, as a nation, protecting our nation has become more important than protecting our democracy, then we have lost our way as a nation both at home and abroad.

And that is exactly what we have seen from conservative "governance" over the past six years: protecting the nation always trumps protecting our democracy for them. For conservatives, the nation is more important than the democracy. But what has always made America great and given us our purpose both at home and abroad has been that our democracy comes before our nation. There is a reason for this. As I said above, our democracy actually did come before our nation.

When Americans start worshiping our borders, our "homeland," our military and our security instead of our freedoms, our march of progress, our opportunity, and our transformational power in the world, then we are worshiping false idols. Our nation has consistently taken major risks to our security in order to protect our democracy. Now, we are taking risks to our security and cracking down on our democracy in order to protect our borders and our nation ("our homeland"). I could not possibly think of a way for America to have gotten more off track than for a national consensus to emerge around the idea of national security being our number one priority.

If Democrats want to start talking like progressives, differentiate themselves from Republicans, and recapture the mantle of patriotism, the first thing we need to do is start saying that our number one priority is to protect American democracy. Our long march toward democracy is at the very core of our identity, and it is about time we start talking as though we know that.



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I mostly agree (3.00 / 2)

Although part of your analysis is incorrect:
And that is exactly what we have seen from conservative "governance" over the past six years: protecting the nation always trumps protecting our democracy for them.

Though I do agree that protecting Democracy and upholding the Constitution should of course be #1, I disagree with your assertion that they've made protecting the nation their #1 priority.  They have done absolutely nothing to protect our nation.  They have started two wars, one of which was justified but forgotten about before the mission was complete, the other was unjustified, unnecessary, and has left the nation less safe and created more enemies.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:33:08 AM EST

Great Work Chris! (none / 0)

You should Post late more often if this is the result.  I was looking for these sentiments around July 4th but Labor Day will do!

Your Post reflects the words of Benjamin Franklyn, If you surrender a little liberty for a little safety you deserve not liberty or safety.  As progressives we need remind the American people of this often.

One backyard barbeque point that has always been effective for me is to remind people that giving up our freedoms is exactly what the terrorists wanted.  We have always been a brave people.  Brave Americans do not cower and surrender any liberty for safety.  Brave Americans dust themselves off, rebuild and bring to justice those who tried to destroy us.


by politics64 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:40:52 AM EST
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Right. The Bush Administration makes... (3.00 / 1)

...expanding its own power in the name of security its top priority.  

It doesn't make real security its top priority.


by EricJaffa on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:17:40 AM EST
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Re: I mostly agree (none / 0)

Actually, Dubya and the posse have been interested in only protecting themselves and the other creatures in their class.  They couldn't care less about democracy or the nation.  Their policies and actions confirm that assessment.  


by VizierVic on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:22:56 AM EST
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For America, Democracy Is Always More Important (none / 0)

Brilliantly true -- every word of it.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:33:12 AM EST

For America, Democracy Is Always More Important (none / 0)

Keith Olberman also responded to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and the "Security First -- Freedoms Second" crowd last evening.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:41:59 AM EST

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Chris,
You write what I have been thinking for a long time.
Of course, it won't surprise us that this administration has its priorities all screwed up, and you have identified here perhaps the foremost example.

Thanks!
Bob in HI


by Bob Schacht on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 04:55:16 AM EST

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On my summer vacation, I read Tom Holland's "Persian Fire" about the Greek/Persian war (the one Herodotos wrote about).

In the second year of the war, many of the Greek city-states were going wobbly and lukewarm on their support for Athens.  You have to remember that Persia had a huge navy and army (estimates of 250,000 soldiers).  Anybody they vanquished would have their women raped, their men castrated, all sold into slavery.

Xerxes makes overtures to Athens, to break up the Athens/Sparta alliance.  Come under my rule and not only will bygones be bygones, I'll reward you with all kinds of treasures.

Athens won't bite.  Why?  Because by then they had 30 years experience of democracy, and they wouldn't give it up despite Xerxes' offer, and despite the horrendous consequences if they lost.

I almost cried when I read it.


by Taylor26 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 06:37:52 AM EST

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That is a damned fine book.  I just finished reading it myself, because it promised an interesting perspective on an era which doesn't get much coverage.  The potential parallels between the Great  Shah's view of the world and our own current situation was striking.

I was born and raised in Baltimore, where the history of the War of 1812 and the Star Spangled Banner were discussed regularly when I was growing up (incidentally, the anniversary of the battle is coming up right around 9-11).  We aren't the land of the free and the home of the brave anymore.  We've got cowards running our government and too many cowards supporting them.  They think they're doing the brave thing waging war in Iraq, but they started that war only because they thought it was going to be easy and quick - like Grenada or Panama.  They never wanted to bear any burden or pay any price, which would have been exemplified by acknowledging the need for a war tax to fund the effort.  Instead, the Republican cowards did precisely the opposite.  They know they're cowards and they're too afraid to admit it.  The nation needs the change.


by VizierVic on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:31:00 AM EST
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Exactly right, Chris.  Look at the presidential oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."  That's right there in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Bonus item: notice "swear (or affirm)" -- religious tolerance, even for the chief executive.


by miriamsong on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 07:09:17 AM EST

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Absolutely.  I've been seeing it around lately, and we need to push the message:  We are proud, patriotic, red-blooded AMERICANS, not sniveling cowards saying, "Here, take my rights, take my freedoms my ancestors died for.  Just don't let the bad guys hit me again."  

Yes, 9/11 was terrible.  It was despicable.  It was criminal.  But it was just one attack.  It wasn't an excuse to destroy everything in our heritage.

The day the unconstitutional Patriot Act passed, the terrorists won.


"On the twelfth floor of the Acme Building, one man is still trying to find the answers to life's persistent questions." --Garrison Keillor
by tebmtn on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:05:11 AM EST

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As I read this article I felt the urge to say "Give me liberty or death!" Over and over again.  We are presently governed by Men who are, to their very core COWARDS. None of them have ventured into the Valley of Death called combat. This hell on earth has a profound impact on one very nature. It is sobering but most of all it gives a man/woman a perspective on the nature of fear. I came away from two years of combat in Vietnam with the ability to spot a coward a mile away. Bushbag and his entire entourage of neocons warmongers are the worst form of cowards. They are pompous and fearless when it comes to sending others to die or be maimed for their cowardly egos. They know deep down in side of themselves that they would be the very first to lie down and grovel at the feet of any adversary and with out hesitation sell out Democracy to save their own skins. Never forget the nature of those who we are governed by. Chickenhawks one and all.


by eddieb on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:23:14 AM EST

Cowardly Priorities (3.00 / 2)

The modern Republican formulation of the famous Patrick Henry line you mention is:

"Take my liberty, just save me from death".

Craven.


by Curt Matlock on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:36:07 AM EST
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But aren they all anxious for the rapture? (3.00 / 0)

I mean death doesn't bother me as much as it apparently bothers the wingers compared to freedom and liberty...


by MNPundit on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:15:22 AM EST
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Re: But aren they all anxious for the rapture? (none / 0)

The rapture is pure nutso religous fantasy. It's part of the "Arent we special" sticht.  It has always been a main stay of the evangelical mindset.


by eddieb on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:50:34 AM EST
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State Security is an idol (none / 0)

Well said Chris!  State Security is an idol and like all idols it demands human sacrifices.  Idols always have and always will.


When I gave food to the poor they called me a Saint. When I asked why the poor were hungry they called me a communist.- Dom Helder Camera
by kentuckydave on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:23:32 AM EST

Absolutely right, Chris (none / 0)

When you say

I should not be blogging this late

that is.

Nothing gives me the heebie jeebies more than to hear stuff like

For America, Democracy Is Always More Important Than Security

George Orwell in his Politics and the English Language puts it rather better than I could:
The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice, have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different. Statements like Marshal Petain was a true patriot, The Soviet Press is the freest in the world, The Catholic Church is opposed to persecution, are almost always made with intent to deceive. Other words used in variable meanings, in most cases more or less dishonestly, are: class, totalitarian, science, progressive, reactionary bourgeois, equality.

Bush PNAC-inspired Middle East adventure was undertaken under cover of bringing democracy.

Tony Blair produces acres of bilge along the same lines.

The case against the current regime does not depend on such rhetoric, thank God.

Chris's

When Americans start worshiping our borders, our "homeland," our military and our security instead of our freedoms, our march of progress, our opportunity, and our transformational power in the world, then we are worshiping false idols.

takes the biscuit: God preserve us from an America which worships our transformational power in the world!

Politics is the last field of human endeavor in which worshiping ought to be taking place...


by skeptic06 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:59:45 AM EST

Too harsh (none / 0)

I get your point, but you are just being too harsh.

Yes, America can have transformational power in the world.  Our constitution and historical progress toward equality under the law (though wobbly at times) have inspired other countries and cultures throughout the world.  

That BushCrony&Co. uses war to transform the world damns war (and BC&C), not transformation.

Plus, you are putting words in Chris's mouth -- he did not speak of worshipping transformative power.

Perhaps the problem is not that he posted late, but that you posted early, before you had your morning coffee?


by xebecs on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:38:44 AM EST
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Omigod... (none / 0)

That is a truly ghastly misreading!

In the sense of being the opposite of what Chris says. Really atrocious. Bugger!

(I think you're right about the coffee - but that's hardly an excuse.)

I agree that the US does have a transformational power - all the more so since the end of the USSR - and is well placed to do the city on a hill thing.

I can't agree that the current regime, despite its best endeavors, has been outstandingly bad at perverting these noble aspirations. (This list of US military adventures is testament to Uncle Sam's itchy trigger finger being a longstanding malady!)

What I'd like to see is a measured debate on these matters, in the light of historical analysis, drained (so far as possible) of partisan emotion and the sort of rhetoric that Orwell rightly criticizes.

It's the polar opposite of Bush You're either with us or with the terrorists manicheism, it's doing nuance, accepting that men are neither saints nor devils, that situations are inevitably messy with no pat solutions available.

It's something Dems with their gaudy history should naturally embrace, surely?

Like, for instance, FDR being seen as both a far-sighted and able national leader who rescued his country from the brink and the capo di tutti capi of a bunch of city machines many of which had intimate connections with organized crime - as Brer Kefauver was latter to demonstrate on TV!

(Not to mention the old goat's continuing taste for, and apparent ability to satisfy, the ladies long after succumbing to polio.)

FDR-as-icon, as well as being false, is utterly tedious.

Coming up to date, democracy sounds great, all motherhood and apple pie.

But in most places round the world, what passes for democracy is even more deeply flawed (where it exists) than the American version.

And - how many Americans would approve of a genuinely free vote (if such a thing were possible) in Gulf states, or Egypt, say, which almost certainly would produce radical Islamist regimes?


by skeptic06 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 07:51:41 PM EST
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Re: Omigod... (none / 0)

I shivered terribly when I first saw your response, as I thought you were saying my post was a horrible misunderstanding.  Better you than me...

Your comments on FDR are useful -- I was not aware of his unsavory connections.  Certainly the internment of Japanese citizens of the United States ought to be enough to convince anyone that he was imperfect.

Anyway, don't give up hope.  It may be that the Bush regime is the "last straw" that propels the American left into a renaissance of strength and creativity.  


by xebecs on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 10:55:57 AM EST
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Re: Omigod... (none / 0)

Yeah, I could have been a bit clearer there! It was just the shock of being confronted with such a horrible snafu (not that that's a particularly uncommon experience...).

It's certainly the richness of ambiguities and contexts and interconnections between people and events that make American political history so utterly fascinating (sez me!)

For instance, the few years after World War 2 are interesting for the competing approaches taken by the left to make an impression on national politics (the split between the Wallaceites and ADA, in particular), not a million miles away from what the netroots are battling with right now.


by skeptic06 on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 06:23:58 PM EST
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And isn't it a delicious irony that the conservatives' current reasoning for our occupation of Iraq is to spread "democracy" even as they pull that very rug out from under us right here stateside? The blatant hypocrisy of the current administration is truly galling.


by pennquaker08 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:00:12 AM EST

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damned right.  great post.


by island empire on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:43:34 AM EST

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Refreshing.


Dust in the wind. All we are is dust in the divine, flatulent wind.
by Nezua Limon Xoloquinta Jonez on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:44:27 AM EST

Democracy is more than lip service (none / 0)

Dwight Eisenhower once said, "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."  Consider that on the local, then national, and then the international level.  When our freedoms were first being intruded upon in the aftermath of September 11th there were those people who said that it was for the betterment of society as a whole, that if we were to move forward that we should accept certain limitations on our freedoms and thus our democracy.  Then there were those of us who said that once you start taking and chipping away that there will never be an end in sight, if you give a mouse a cookie...

Now look where we are.


Mark
by Mark J. Bowers on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:55:29 AM EST

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I cannot believe no one has quoted Benjamin Franklin yet!

"They who would sacrifice essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither."

Or Thomas Jefferson:

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."


Sean Robertson
by Sean Robertson on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:57:17 AM EST

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For more than two hundred years, Americans in the military have fought and died not for security, but for freedom.  Anyone who would try to reverse those priorities isn't a true American.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:11:59 AM EST

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Without democracy or liberty there is no security.  Once we lose those our own government becomes the threat.


by LionelEHutz on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:13:44 AM EST

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Great post. I agree that the argument by the right about security vs. freedom is bullshit. I always ask them, would you rather fight and potentially die to live freely or would you perfer the "security" of a dictorship like in Iraq under Saddam. The truth is that more people have fought and died to avoid that kind of "security" then for any other reason.

This idea that we need to chose freedom or security is a false choice and it demeans the sacrifice that our troops have made fighting to ensure we are even able to have this debate. If we are to allow law breaking on the grounds of ensuring "security" we are walking on a slippery slope which will inevitable lead to the end of the american regime and nothing less than the tyranny that the founding fathers sought to prevent.


by bjschmid on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:16:24 AM EST

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The best response to their security bullshit is to simply state that if they care more about their personal security than tehir freedom, then they should just surrender to the islamists and convert.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:28:08 AM EST
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I disagre. I would say our FREEDOM is more important than our security. Democracy is only a part of that.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin.

After all, our citizens (and even many non-citizens) have literally given up tehir lives for our FREEDOM over the past 230 years.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety . . ." -- Benjamin Franklin.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:26:16 AM EST

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Fantastic, Chris.  I agree with earlier posts stating that liberty, or freedom, is that which is more important than security. Personally, I took your usage of 'democracy' as synonymous with a free, liberal society. We do not have nearly enough people trumpeting OUR liberty and the need to protect OUR liberty.

Your views, as well as Keith Olbermann's need to be broadcast further. I have a feeling that are much more widespread than anybody thinks. Much further than the "progressive" blogosphere.


by mwilli on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:04:26 AM EST

Democracy always more important (none / 0)

I have to echo the comment from upthread, you need to post late more often if this is what we get.  Great thought here and more of out candidates need to be saying this.


by Demo Dan in Dayton on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:08:28 AM EST

Cutting through the fog (none / 0)

Well said, Chris. But I think the challenge is to break through the thick mass of misused language and fear-mongering, to penetrate the psyche of our fellow citizens. The words "democracy" and "freedom" have unfortunately become so misused as to be disconnected from their practical meaning in modern political debate.  They are too often used as slogans behind which all sorts of anti-democracy and anti-freedom actions and agendas can be camouflaged--especially when their use is mixed with fear-mongering.

Key elements of our democracy are seriously debilitated and I think part of the message and agenda needs to be an identification of specific changes that need to be made--key problems/failures and practical solutions to them.  This can give substance and a revitalized meaning to calls for protection of American democracy.  Otherwise, I think too many people will hear the message only at the level of another election-year slogan that means and motivates very little.

One aid to this could be linking the "protecting American democracy" theme to the "accountability" theme.  Accountability is, after all, an essential component of democracy. This would also help us link the many failures and corruptions of the Bush Admin to the need to protect and strengthen our democratic processes and systems.

Iraq and Katrina are probably the two most vivid and painful manifestations of the lack of accountability and failures of our democratic processes (which are what have created the government that has dismally failed us).  Their vividness can and should be used to break through the cloud of political obfuscation that has blinded the mind and weakened the spirit of too many Americans.  They should be used as wedges into the overloaded and debilitated American psyche, where dormant aspirations for real freedom and renewed democracy can be stirred and fleshed out out with general and specific political agendas.

To deliver this message, we need leaders who can be strong, clear, smart and inspiring in both their critiques and their proposals for solutions.  I expressed some thoughts and suggestions on this in a few diary posts:
http://mydd.com/story/2006/8/12/155551/9 41
http://mydd.com/story/2006/8/12/4316/185 64


by mitchipd on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:12:43 PM EST

America was founded on democracy, but ... (none / 0)

Before anyone begins to accuse me of being a troll or being a Republican in hiding, this is not the case. I've been reading this site for a long time, sometimes agree (more often than not), sometimes not, but this time I felt like I had to respond. This post disturbs me greatly, and here's why.

America was founded on "democracy". True, it is our founding glory and exemplifies the best of this country. And true, the Bush administration has given short thrift to protecting democracy at the cost of other things. But, let's get to the point. I believe it is deeply flawed to think that the average American cares more about the vague, all-powerful concept of "democracy" than about personal security. There is no society of which I know of that would give up their rights to security. Security in the sense of protecting your land, your country, and your home is in every sense more important than high-minded concepts of democracy and freedoms and civil rights and all that. Personal security -- extend that even to the security of our country is one of the basic human needs!

It just seems to me that this is why to the average American Democrats in general have been getting shellacked and trampled on and generally laughed off in recent years, all the way back to 2000. The basic Democratic line is "we'll protect your democracy, we'll protect your freedoms, we'll protect your civil rights, we'll protect your Social Security, and we'll make education better, help the economy ... "

Now, what has been the basic Republican line? "We'll protect YOU." Put aside your knee-jerk reaction to this for a moment, I know you're thinking "but Republicans haven't really protected us, they've led us to Iraq and have genuinely messed things up there!"

THIS is why Democrats have been exemplified as the  nervous, waffling bumblers that they quite honestly have been. I say this as a proud Democrat myself.

But I cannot emphasize enough that security is always going to be the most important thing, whether consciously or not, and I'm not even talking about elections, but more generally. Republicans' success at elections for the past few years have been explicitly built around this basic human need for security, to feel safe, and I feel that we as Democrats are simply not getting the message.

Call me whatever you want, hate me and ignore my post, it doesn't really matter. But I just had to respond to the idea that democracy is more important than security.

This post is exactly why we as Democrats are seen the way we are, and why Republicans have been so successful. If we can't understand the very basic point of people needing to feel safe -- i.e., security -- then we really don't deserve to win, I'm sorry.


by AntonX2 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:28:47 PM EST

Re: America was founded on democracy, but ... (none / 0)

AntonX2...you raise a very important point that needs to be addressed.  I tried to speak to it a bit in my comment and the two diary posts I pointed to.  

Part of the challenge is the media's role in aggravating feelings of insecurity in ways that are not helpful to actually becoming more secure.  That opens up big opportunities for Republicans to present false promises and premises regarding security and to get away with it.  

That's partly why my diary posts suggest a "Democratic Vision and Values" video project featuring Democratic "Fighting Generals." We need to present a whole new paradigm of security (and democracy, freedom, etc.), which is difficult in the era of mass-mediated messages combined with highly evolved tools of the mass manipulation trade.  

The Internet is the medium best suited to the progressive movement and it is becoming "video-capable."  And, just like the Republicans learned to infiltrate the mass media with their messages, we can do so as well (and have already started to), though the mass media system may be fundamentally less friendly to our message and methods.  The good news is that technology and market trends are pushing all media toward Internet-delivery, which favors us in the long run.

To penetrate the mass psyche with regard to "security," we need to use the video medium, which is currently delivering mainly false and disturbing messages regarding real security.  Today's TV industries aim to maximize eyeballs, and have found that fear and titillation are among the best eye-ball-retaining strategies around.  Their efforts toward financial success is an unfortunately good match with Republican fear mongering.  The promise of a video-capable Internet is that it opens up an avenue for us to create a whole new system for creating, delivering and funding video content in ways that can help counter the unconsciousness bred by today's TV industry and exploited by Republican fear-mongers. The MyDD Adwatch program is a small step in that direction, but much more needs to be done...and can be done.


by mitchipd on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:07:14 PM EST
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we can and must beat them on security (none / 0)

The first comment said it best - Bush hasnt' done a god damn thing to make us more secure.  He ignored warnings about 9/11; he ignored warnings about Katrina; he didn't go after the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11; he didn't finish the job in Afghanistan.

To try and argue that we should make security less of a priority would be suicide for the Democrats.  The argument that needs to be made is, we won two World Wars, turned Germany and Japan into thriving democracies, took Milosevich out of power without a single US combat fatality, and captured and punished those responsible for the first WTC bombing.  The Republicans are the ones who let Osama get away, cut our troops' pay while sending them on a fool's errand in Iraq, cut-and-ran in Lebanon in the 80s (emboldening Hezbollah and Islamic terrorists in general for a generation), and whose only successes are featherweight opponents like Grenada and Panama.

The Republicans claim they're the only ones who can keep us safe.  The correct response isn't, "well, there are other things as important as being safe."  The correct response is, "the hell you are!"


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 11:54:12 AM EST
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Well I agree with you but... (none / 0)

...I think it's a debate that needs to happen. Lay everything on the table and decide, do you want a coutry where you are free or a police-state. It's that simple. Democracy does not cure all ills as has been so amply demonstrated, what do you do if the people honestly want a police-state?

Depending on the numbers I'd fight or leave.


by MNPundit on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:34:23 PM EST

It's like the flag issue (none / 0)

Conservatives pledge allegiance to the flag, the rest of us pledge allegiance to the republic for which it stands.  

The concept that the republic as an idea is more important than its physical manifestation seems to elude most conservatives.  Hence the furor over banning the burning of the flag.  A republic which values free speech is not offended in the least if a flag is burned, but to these nitwits the flag IS the republic.  The nation IS democracy.  They can't separate the physical commodity which can be bought and sold and owned from the larger idea that is free to all.


by PaulDem on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:31:41 PM EST

Mr Bowers (none / 0)

Chills.....


by Abraham Running For Congress When I Turn 25 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 03:09:20 PM EST

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AntonX2 wrote,


 But I cannot emphasize enough that security is always going to be the most important thing, whether consciously or not, and I'm not even talking about elections, but more generally. Republicans' success at elections for the past few years have been explicitly built around this basic human need for security, to feel safe, and I feel that we as Democrats are simply not getting the message.  

This is close but not quite right, because what's at stake is not security, but feeling secure. The Republican Black Magic on this has been to hoodwink the nation into feeling more secure by sending more than 100,000 troops halfway around the world to stir up a hornet's nest, while neglecting our borders and ports at home. The Bush administration has NOT made us more secure, but has beguiled us into thinking it so.

Democracy IS more important than security. But here's an important thought: Democracy is not something we have, but something we must continuously strive for. In this sense, its somewhat like Camelot: Something Good that we have sampled, and yearn for, that calls out the best in us.

Fixating on security makes us risk-averse. The American people have shown, time and again, that we are not risk-averse, when there is an important goal to achieve.

Bob in HI


by Bob Schacht on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 06:42:11 PM EST


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