MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford

Ok, now this one's interesting.  It's a well-produced ad by Harold Ford Jr, a professional and super-competent politician beloved by Chuck Schumer and the political establishment in DC.  I went to a Ford fundraiser once near the Capitol, and I've never seen so many Senators stop by to give speeches.

This ad is clever and slick.  By setting it on a plane, Ford is able to dramatically convey weaknesses in our security arrangements, and he's able to effectively convey his message that we need to move beyond partisan politics and actually secure our borders.  He finishes off with 'nothing is more important than our security'.  Ford has run a variety of ads on different themes, including ports and gas prices, and they are similarly tight and well-structured.

I'm really intrigued with the Ford campaign, because while the tactical execution is good, it's not clear to me that this messaging differentiates him from his Republican opponent.  Of course he doesn't mention his party, or that of his opponent, and he doesn't mention Bush.  He's running as a more competent right-winger, someone who wants to move beyond partisan politics to lower gas prices and increase the effectiveness and reach of the security state.  Ford isn't and never claimed to be a progressive, and he's running in Tennessee, where there is a strong right-wing presence.

Based on our accountability memo, and other polling coming in that shows that voters are choosing between Iraq and terrorism, Ford is making the absolutely wrong strategic decision.  When given a choice between a Republican and a fake Republican, they'll pick the real one every time.  But then, Ford's not a progressive.  I know Ford's supposedly gaining on his scandal-tarred opponent in the polls.  We'll see what happens. My guess is that Ford's messaging will not work, but it's possible that Corker could simply self-destruct and Ford could look like an acceptable alternative.



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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 0)

Maybe it'll play well down in Tennessee. Personally...I would never vote for a Democrat who spoke in near-wingnut fashion.


by PsiFighter37 on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:00:11 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 3)

I think that Ford has taken an effective approach for TN. I have not seen data from Matt or others showing that his recommended approach will work in conservative southern states. Ford is no progressive and TN is no progressive state, but traditionally southern dems have been tough on defense and given a break to the small farmer and working man.  Bush and the Republicans have screwed the little guy and completely F'upped Iraq and defense, so there might be an opportunity for Ford to pull this off. Running as a progressive sure isn't the answer. Accountability is fine but he needs to show toughness like he does in this ad.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:39:38 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 0)

the data is that the Iraqi war is now not liked down south either as I remember the polls are showing- is that not correct?


by bruh21 on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:45:33 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

Iraq isn't popular in NC (and probably TN) but a Dem doesn't want to sound soft on defense, so it's an issue that must be presented both carefully and forcefully. We'll see what Ford says about Iraq when it gets closer to the election.  He's gotta be concerned about an October surprise in Iraq.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 11:07:10 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (1.00 / 1)

WTF? The correct answer on Iraq doesn't come off as soft on defense unless you are on Fox News or live on Mars. Your above comment is the exact reason why Rahm Emanuel is fucking up and why DLC'er Ford is running a crappy race.

The September Suprise should be Ford proud and loud to be no longer listening Theocons on Iraq. The October surprise is looking like Iran, and Ford will probably fuck up once again on that. If Ford stops listening to Al From and grows even an tiny pair of balls, then he could win this. But his entire career has been an excercise in trying to be more right wing than JC Watts.


by Bob Brigham on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:31:34 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Flame away.

The correct answer on Iraq was to keep the hell out of it.  It's the Iraqi's country, not ours. We don't belong there. The military needs to make a plan to give Iraq back to the Iraqi's and to start packing.

Perhaps you know TN politics better than I do, but it looks to me like Ford is pretty much in the middle of the road for TN. I suspect he spends more time listening to local citizens than Al From.  

Please tell me your plan for turning the south blue.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:55:37 AM EST
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Can you, maybe, give an example (none / 0)

of a Democrat doing this?  Doing what you call sounding 'soft on defense'?  I've heard so many people use this 'sound soft on defense' idea, but I've never actually heard a Democrat doing it.

Typically, Democrats critique the Iraqi policy, then--rather than responding to the critiques--the Republicans say,"Democrats are weak on defense."  A non-sequitor designed to accuse the accuser.

Did you have something specific in mind?

Thanks.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:36:17 AM EST
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It's the Perception, not the Truth: eg. Mc Govern (none / 0)

The problem the Dems have had with defense is the perception of their positions.  George Mc Govern was  a tough bomber pilot who got labeled soft.

Here's a conservative perspective on the man who was wrongly stuck with the "soft on defense" image.
http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_01_30/ article.html
January 30, 2006 Issue
The American Conservative
"Come Home, America"

"Liberals need another George McGovern--and perhaps conservatives do too."
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The Dems need to communicate clearly that military adventurism such as Iraq and Viet Nam weakens the military.  The Republicans have been able to mislabel opposition to needless wars as softness.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:25:16 AM EST
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I'm familiar with the Conservative view (none / 0)

The Conservatives also say that Democrats want to 'kill babies.'

What interests me is any example you have where a Democrat makes a statement about the military or about national defense that you can identify as a clear example of Dems being 'soft' on defense.  I can find endless examples of Republicans calling Democrats soft on defense.  B

But I have never seen an example of Democrats sounding soft on defense.  But if you have one, that would interest me.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:31:05 AM EST
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You Didn't Read the Article, Did You? (none / 0)

I have been impressed by your insight and thoughtful comments, but when you haven't read what you are commenting on it's hard to sound thoughtful and intelligent. I cited the article not because it was stupid political crap like wingnuts crying "baby killers", but because it gets to the root of the "soft on defense" mislabeling of Democrats. The label was wrongly placed on Mc Govern even though he was a guy who did one of the most dangerous jobs in WWII. The Nixonians that labeled Mc Govern are with us today refighting Viet Nam in the desert. The problems we have today go directly back to 1972.

The article states:
 "Throughout his congressional career, George McGovern won elections by conceptualizing his constituents as peaceful Christian agriculturalists," wrote South Dakota State University political scientist Gary Aguiar. He spoke South Dakotan as fluently as he spoke liberalese, and when he asked, in 1972, "Who really appointed us to play God for people elsewhere around the globe?" he was grounded in plains soil as surely as Scoop Jackson was riding first class aboard Boeing.

For sharing his father's skepticism about military crusades, McGovern, holder of the Distinguished Flying Cross, was mocked for being "weak on defense." Stephen Ambrose, who wrote up McGovern's military career in The Wild Blue, thought that he ought to have used his bomber pilot experience "to more effect in his 1972 presidential campaign."

"I think it was a political error," McGovern tells me, "but I always felt kind of foolish talking about my war record--what a hero I was. How do you do that?"

Well, you don't if you're a polite, decent fellow from Mitchell, South Dakota--even when you're being pilloried as a Nervous Nellie by think-tank commanders who wouldn't know an M-1 Garand from a grenade. LBJ had urged McGovern to sell himself as an avenging angel of the air, but McGovern demurred, saying that "it was not in my nature to turn the campaign into a constant exercise in self-congratulatory autobiography." "
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I repeat, I think that the "soft on defense" label is a lie, but it's a Nixonian lie that stuck.

Carter was labeled as soft for being patient with the hostage situation in Iran. Meanwhile, the Republicans were cutting a secret arms-for-hostages deal to win Reagan the 1980 election.  There is a pattern since Nixon's time of Republicans lying about defense matters and the public believing the lies.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 05:33:58 PM EST
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Re: Can you, maybe, give an example (none / 0)

The true answer to this is that Democrats don't sound soft on defense.  In fact, they are so sensitive to that critique that they often go to great lengths to propose hawkish policies.  The softness allegation sticks because of Democrats' presentation and choice of agenda.  When your platform consists of doing things Republicans do but doing them better, you look like soft incrementalists.  When you spend all your time on the defensive instead of attacking your opponents positions, you're not a leader.  I could go on.  So Democrats soft appearance hasn't been so much a matter of defense policy as a matter of defensive attitude.  And the aggressive attitude of this ad is where Ford excels.


by I voted for Kodos on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:09:40 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

I have not seen data from Matt or others showing that his recommended approach will work in conservative southern states.

Well, we have plenty of data in the form of southern GOP senators that trying to out-republican them doesn't work.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:39:54 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Max Cleland didn't try to out-Republican them and he got Swiftboated.  Clealand's loss put fear into southern Dems.  It even made Hillary duck and cover on Iraq, IMO.  Ford is going on offense because it's the only strategy that he thinks has a chance of winning.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 05:44:55 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Look at cleland's voting record. Yes, he tried to out-GOP the GOP. He lost more because he betrayed the Democrats who had voted for and trusted him in the previous election than from the OBL ad.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:22:55 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 7)

What's wingnutty about what he's saying? It's pretty standard Democratic talking points about adopting the 9/11 Commission's recommendations and securing ports and borders.

BTW, I would bet the farm on Ford. He simply will not lose this race, because his career depends on it. Corker is a weak candidate, and Ford is a very good one.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:55:17 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 5)

I agree.  John Kerry even argued in favor of adoption of all 41 of the 911 Commission's recommendations and securing the ports.  They are both standard, middle of the road Democratic points.  

Something I like in the ad is how he credits the British for stopping the attacks.  It's a fact, but one worth stating, as in gives Bush zero points on the incident.  


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by hilltopper on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 11:13:41 PM EST
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Ford's no progressive (3.00 / 1)

but he is aggressive, and that is needed.  I think he'll surprise people and take Corker down.  Question in my mind, is he going to end up being one of those center-right Dems who feels he has to subtly degrade his party when on TV?


by Sam Loomis on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:18:29 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (1.00 / 2)

"Standard Democratic talking points"?
"Standard, middle of the road Democratic points."?

In other words -- DLC.

Know what else has been standard since 1994?
Democrats in the minority.

Ever wonder why?
It sure wasn't because Bush-lovers like Ford have been trying too hard to be different from Republicans in rhetoric or actions.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:48:10 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

Just because something is supported by Republicans doesn't mean that a Democrat has to be opposed to it. Most Republicans think that America is a good country. That doesn't mean that Democrats shouldn't believe that America is a good country.

Similarly, it's not dumb for Democrats to support adopting the commission's recommendations just because it takes terrorism seriously. It's the GOP Congress that has thrown out the recommendations and failed to make us safer.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:28:58 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (1.00 / 1)

Just because something is supported by Republicans doesn't mean that a Democrat has to be opposed to it. Most Republicans think that America is a good country. That doesn't mean that Democrats shouldn't believe that America is a good country.

That's a Republican talking point. It just goes to show that if a lie is repeated often enough, even those who shouldn't believe it will sometimes start repeating it themselves.

As for what's good for this country, I invite you to make a list of what Bush has done that you think has been good for this country -- with emphasis on those things that have received support from NeoDems like Harold Ford.

As for Bush's 9/11 Coverup Commission, I said nothing about it nor its recommendations.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:36:06 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

Give me a break. A Republican talking point? So everything that any Republican agrees with, we have to oppose?

This President has been an unmitigated failure. He has made this country and the world a rotten place to live. We all know that. But you're saying that because Republicans and Democrats agree on some issues, this demonstrates that Dems are spineless wingnuts.

Go find some tinfoil.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:59:02 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

I don't know if Ford will win, but I agree that this ad isn't wing-nutty at all.

Bush is trying to push Iraq as part of the war on terror, we're saying, "No, we have to secure the Homeland, which Bush is ignoring, because he's spending all our money, resources and military trying to be the Emperor of the Middle East."

Homeland Security's a joke, and more Dems should be calling Bush out on it.

BTW: I love that "Thank God The British Stopped It," shot.


by Bush Bites on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:41:54 PM EST
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But come on (none / 0)

Didn't you almost giggle when he whipped out the red Gatorade bottle?


by Sam Loomis on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:16:19 AM EST
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Re: But come on (none / 0)

That's the subtext of the ad.
Those people in Washington can't protect you from a bottle of Red Gatorade. What good are they?

Maybe it was not Red Gatorade rather than Blue Gatorade by accident? Talk about reversing the dog whistle ...

I am not sure that he has to say he's a Democratic candidate ... it sure as anything isn't an East Tennessee accent! ... but when its 1 and 8 on the 8 with the clock ticking down, he really should say "Can you trust the Republican Majority in this Senate to deliver a real solution on Iraq?"


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by BruceMcF on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 06:30:00 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 8)

there is the alternative theory that attacking your opponent's strength is the best way to go. It has worked for Rove.
Booman Tribune.
by BooMan on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:01:07 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

I was thinking the same thing.  To Ford's credit, this is not your typical milktoast ad.  It is hard hitting and is designed to soften up the Rs strength.  The Dems haven't won a Senate election since 1990 when Al Gore won a 2nd term so this is going to be a very tough race.  We'll see how the ad works.


by John Mills on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:11:44 PM EST
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It's "milquetoast". (none / 0)

(Sorry; spelling bee geek.)

Anyway, my only issue with the ad is that it's a little exploitative of recent events.  That said, I'm okay with it.


by Adam B on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 11:06:28 PM EST
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Re: It's "milquetoast". (none / 0)

Thanks for the correction.  Just typing fast and I am not a great proof reader unfortunately.


by John Mills on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 11:08:54 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

This is the crucial question.  The reason the war is a weak spot for Bush is that reality caught up his blustery rhetoric, not because of anything the Democrats have done proactively.  The terrorism issue, once you get past the hyperbole, has been almost as badly executed by the Republicans.  The polling shows what it shows, but I have to believe terrorism as an issue could be just as big an asset if it is handled appropriately.  And to that extent, I think Ford handles it appropriately: agressive body language, "time to stop messing around" tone, proposals that are impossible to argue against.  The only quibble I really have with the ad is the omission of Bush and party labels.


by I voted for Kodos on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:38:25 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

"The only quibble I really have with the ad is the omission of Bush and party labels."

Without seeing Tennessee polling data, I don't fault him for this.  I'd love everyone to trumpet that they are a Dem but I am realistic enough to realize the Dem brand is still weak in the South.  This isn't Sheldon Whitehouse running away from the Dem brand in Blue Rhode Island.


by John Mills on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:51:45 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

BTW - Love the user name.  Anyone who picks something from the Simpsons get a big thumbs up from me.  


by John Mills on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:53:06 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

And for most of the Wars in history. Be happy when Stroller finds one that he thinks is really good.

Wish he had graduated with a degree in Critical Arts. Yes there is such a thing and I was part of the program as my minor with film as a major at Cal Arts before $$ forced me out.


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by BigDog on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:10:26 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

well, I think it's a pretty good ad. It's clear and straight forward.

Of course, hitting Bush might not work in TN. You have to remember that southerners love to attach themselves to losers and lost causes.


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by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:21:18 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 2)

The ad serves to separate him on an issue where they both agree, where everyone agrees.  The ad is hard hitting yet personal and he firmly claims a republican issue.  I understand why Stoller dislikes it, but I believe that it will be effective.


by mpalevsky on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:24:44 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

How competent a politician is Harold Ford?  I suspect that Republicans will try to make his family the issue in November.  Ford has not done a good job of reining them in but, then again, this may not be his job.  Brother Jake's independent campaign for Harold's old seat in congress could come a cropper as he is running against the white candidate who won the democratic primary essentially as the black candidate.  It may work for Jake but backfire on Harold. (Jake is given a good chance of winning this district where Kerry took over 70%).


by David Kowalski on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:48:21 PM EST

Could have been better (none / 0)

Is it me or does Ford come across in the ad as trying too hard to look sincere? The setting seems too staged as well. And Matt is right -- the ad doesn't differentiate Ford from Corker in a tangible way.

I think a familiar setting in Tennessee with a backdrop of law enforcement personnel would have been more fitting to the ad. A location the local folks could easily relate to could help too.


by rosebowl on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 10:55:48 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 5)

I'm sorry, I don't get the criticism. When did security stop being a progressive value? And when did competence at a basic government function become right-wing? Maybe you can make the case that 'get tough on controlling our borders' is anti-undocumented worker, but the stronger case there is an explicit criticism of the Bush administration's failure to catch the 9-11 hijackers at the Canadian border even though we knew they were Al-Queda.

Harol Ford may be a conservative Democrat running in a conservative state, but to call this ad fake Republican is insane. National security is and always has been a progressive value, and the fact is Democrats are more effective at securing this country.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 11:18:17 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

The 9-11 hijackers DID NOT enter America through Canada.


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by HellofaSandwich on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:37:03 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (2.00 / 2)

Schumer is demonstrating how out of touch he is by not writing off Ford.

Schumer could win Arizona and Nevada for what he will waste on a DLC loser in TN.

Ford is a great example of why the Party committees are the problem, not the solution.


by Bob Brigham on Wed Aug 30, 2006 at 11:53:46 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Have you seen the polls? Ford is within striking distance, and Corker is drowning in scandals. Add the fact that Ford is a pro, and I'm absolutely certain this one will go our way.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:31:52 PM EST
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TN is not RI (none / 0)

You may have already forgotten that there was a candidate running for this nomination who was well to the left of Ford, and Tennessee voters wouldn't go near her.

Tennessee voted for Bush in droves -- against a native son.

Ford's got to watch his posture. If we end up with a pretty conservative Democrat in the Senate representing Tennessee, I'm fine with that.
He won't be as conservative as the departing incumbent, and, as far as I know, Harold Ford hasn't tortured any kittens. That's Bill Frist's job.

And the silver lining, win or lose, is: we get a Congressman representing TN-09 who's more progressive than Ford was. Steve Cohen looks pretty good, to me:

http://www.cohenforcongress.com/index.ht ml

Good on social issues, good on the War. I hope he can skate past the Jake factor into the House.
If any of you are worried about that, show Cohen some love at:

http://www.actblue.com/page/2006fund?ref code=yddcohen


by Christopher Walker on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 11:12:36 PM EST
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That's Ford's standard approach (3.00 / 2)

I've seen other Ford ads like this, seizing upon the current issue. He had a similar ad when the news came out regarding the ports being outsourced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-AtJJppE xw&mode=related&search=

Notice the aggressive aspect of both ads, walking toward the camera. I think that's subliminally effective and hardly coincidental he chooses to do it. It suggests strength, as do the relatively high decibel level and decisive words.

Hey, he must be doing something right. Jessica Alba donated to his campaign. I think she can afford the $600.


by jagakid on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:05:16 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Running as an out-an-out progressive in TN is suicide, particularly for Ford, who comes from an absolutely infamous family of corrupt politicians.  Ford is not corrupt, but the family name is a huge problem for him.  Everyone in TN knows that name, and there are no good associations.  He has to run as a very dependable, competent candidate who is very mainstream.  Ford's family would be considered by Tennesseans as "liberal", and anything that smells "liberal" will bring that association (I don't think too many Tennesseans are familiar with "progressive" as opposed to simply "liberal".  

He's run a good campaign so far, but I just have a hard time believing a Memphis Democrat can win a state-wide race in TN right now.  Most Tennesseans east of Nashville see Memphis as a totally different world, and probably have only been to Memphis to see Graceland.  There isn't much trust there.  If Coker is smart, he will attend as many UT home football games as possible to highlight the fact that Ford is from the one city in TN where the people root against the Vols (college football is a religion in TN).


by alhill on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:11:29 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Since Al Gore lost Tennesse by five points (and the presidency- I guess they have too many presidential museums there)- I am weary of the state.  So I would not keep my hopes up running as a progressive. Also the real republican vs. the fake republican battle moniker, is, I believe not a size fit all political analysis. Finally, running on competence on security should be an approach available for all, so the ad is in no way offensive to liberals.  The problem with Ford is not the ad, it is past stances on issues like SSA, bankruptcy, etc., but as the  expression goes, he is probably the best the state can produce.  


by RAULC on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:01:14 AM EST
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Wanker (3.00 / 0)

Wow-

What a weenie.


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by jgkojak on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:34:26 AM EST

So Many Flaws. (none / 0)

At first blush, the ad is sexy.  Harold Ford looks sharp in that orange tie. But he dos not act like a DEMOCRATIC SENATOR. and as a result he looks like, for lack of a better word, a phony.

People in Tennessee understand they are voting for a Senator, not an Executive. They understand that the Senate is the place where the executive branch is held accountable. Southern Voters are well versed in the idea of the Senate being the cooling saucer for a hotheaded house or out-of-control president. Yet, Fords ads give the impression that he is going to become the guy in charge of the war terrorism.  Everybody knows that Harold Ford is not going to solve the war on terror. Why doesn't he just got out and say that if he is elected senator, he might as well say that he will use his powers as Senator to tell how Phil Fulmer to gets the job done, Phil Fulmer will do it.

What is realistic is the idea that he can make people believe that he can join a team of Democratic Senators and make sure that the executive barnch is held accountable for completely fucking everything up. People will believe this from a Senator, they want to hear this, and a Senator can deliver on this.  Why isn't the Ford Campaign acting like a (d)emocrat and follow the will of people?

Another problem: 9 seconds of a 30 second of the ad says liquid explosive was a job well done. The liquids story is not something to thank God about, for a myriad of reasons it is another example of us compromising security and a reason why the Bushies need to be held accountable. Can somebody explain the reasoning of bringing the story of liquid explosives up?


by FranzHartl on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:21:33 AM EST

Re: So Many Flaws. (none / 0)

How else do you work red koolaid into the ad?


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by BruceMcF on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 06:34:38 AM EST
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I know how. (none / 0)

How to work Kool-Aid into an Ad. (You Tube Link)


by FranzHartl on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:52:40 PM EST
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Re: So Many Flaws. (none / 0)

Harold is wearing a rose colored tie, not orange, as you see when he holds the Gatorade. Spending time discussing liquids on planes makes plenty of sense to me, as my family and I are frequent air travellers; one branch of whom landed at Gatwick at 7am on August 10!

The Feds have much to be held accountable for, whether it's container inspection, border control, enforcing FAA regulations - compare the Comair crash in Lexington, Kentucky - and I think this ad gives the voters plenty to associate with Bush non-enforcement. Try mine safety, for another example of their dereliction of duty.

Dereliction of duty is Pat Buchanan's charge. Things may be looking up!


by Books Alive on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:26:44 AM EST
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Re: So Many Flaws. (none / 0)

It seems to me that STOPPING Bush from making things even worse in the next 2 years is the first job Congress has. The Rebublican RUBBER STAMP DO-NOTHING Congress has enabled Bush to fuck up everything that he has touched. Holding them accountable is secondary, in my opinion, to stopping Bush from making even worse mistakes.  I know that's hard to imagine worse mistakes than Iraq and Katrina, but with Bush it's possible.

As for liquid explosives, where's the evidence that it is a realistic terrorist weapon? Most liquid explosives have the nasty habit of going off at the wrong time. It seems to me that the British plan was hyped.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:52:09 AM EST
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Let's all wish him well (3.00 / 1)

...and save our bright ideas for after. If he wins, we might we wish we'd kept our mouth shut, and if he loses we may have contributed to it. Each candidate is the best judge of his or her own strategy.

Many southern politicians, not least Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Ford's daddy, have won races by taking defensive positions on conservative attack points and going after the GOP on its vulnerabilities.

Remember, TN is not far from the place where war hero Max Cleland was smeared as coward, the evidence for which was his being a Democrat and, one supposes, his sole remaining limb.

Go Harold.


by stevehigh on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 01:28:57 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Southerners may no longer contribute many seats to the Democrats in the Senate but they are still an important resource in the House.  House Democrats from the south fall into three pretty equally sized groups.  One third are blacks; one third are "national" white Democrats; and one third are traditional southern Democrats occupying the shrinking middle ground of the votes.

In Tennessee, a state where Democrats hold five of the nine House seats, the traditional southern Democrats are quite strong, holding four of the five seats.  These are people with Progressive Punch scores in the 60s (much better than electing an average Republican with a score of 6).  But not exactly progressive stalwarts.  I think that the Lincoln Davises, Jim Coopers, Bart Gordons and John Tanners have effected Ford.  Gordon and Tanner in particular ran 24 points and 28 points ahead of Kerry.

Ford comes from the only strong democratic district in the state (71% for Kerry) but is the 17th most conservative black southern Democrat (out of 20).  There is no reason for this from a district standpoint.  Ford has either absorbed being a "Tennesse Democrat" or believes that is the road to advancement.

It didn't work for me but then I am not a Tennessee resident.  it would be interesting to see the congressional ads of Davis, Cooper, Gordon, and Tanner as a comparison.
The commercial does not make any of this clear .  I suspect he is triangulating like crazy and trying to fit in.


by David Kowalski on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 03:29:33 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

? I should think it would be obvious that ambitions beyond being a Memphis Congressman seem likely to be involved, given that he appears to now be running for Senator?

And has something changed in TN since I left ten years ago, or will the two keys to a Ford victory be GOTV in West Tennessee and winning over potential swing voters in Central Tennessee?

And given the Ford name, one could at least make a case for bringing out the "A" word (accountability) in television advertising in the final weeks of the campaign, when there's less time to put together counter-attack ads on accountability.


The words of the prophets are written on the subway halls
   and tenement halls
by BruceMcF on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 06:57:04 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

This is an off-year election, and as such, I doubt that there are ANY swing voters.  This year is about turning out the base, and he has trouble at home in Shelby County (Memphis) because he won't get his brother out of the race to replace him.  

The young er brother, Jake, is running as an Independent; ford refuses to endorse the Democratic nominee, Steve Cohen.


by sjs1959 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:10:34 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

This country will never be secure until we understand what motivates the proliferation of terrorism and extremism and attack the root causes of those phenomena.  Those root causes include economic privation and sexual repression (though admittedly I oversimplify).  

Here is the problem; an "understand the problem" platform will quickly be mischaracterized as "let's feel for the terrorists", and Harold Ford, Ned Lamont, Jim Webb, and virtually every other Democrat will be defeated.  What do we accomplish in that eventuality?  NOTHING!  A big fat zero, while our country continues to wither under wingnut rule.  

Harold Ford is following the only strategy he can, and from what I can see in the ad, he is doing well.  My guess is that the race will be within 2% at the end.  


The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.
by CLLGADEM on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 04:26:29 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

He's running as a more competent right-winger

I agree with this point.  And I think it deserves more attention than it has gotten in this thread.

The MyDD memo argues for a clean break from the right-wing frame, where we face an enemy (e.g., terrorists) and embrace of a progressive frame where we face a danger (e.g., government screw up without oversight).  

Simplified and applied to ads on national security/defense,  we can say that in the right-wing approach, the tactic is:  keep your eyes on the terrorists.  In the progressive approach, the tactic is:  keep your eyes on Bush.

In specific terms, then, what I see missing from this Ford ad is a shot of Bush.  All Ford needed to do was include one 2 or 3 second still shot of Bush and the message would be much, much different.

Without that, I think we can say objectively that this is a right-wing ad.  No judgement against  Ford, but...it is structurally and thematically a right-wing ad.

And Matt raises the key point:  Here we have a right-wing ad by a candidate that is backed by key players in the Democratic caucus--will it work?

I think that's a question that grows out of the discussions we've had prior to watching this ad--and that it's a very objective question.

Will it work?  Here we have a clear, objective decision to reproduce the right-wing national security message tactic pretty much verbatim--will it work?

Stoller's answer is also good:  it will work if the other right-wing candidate gets hit by a bus (e.g., scandal, etc.).   In other words, the ad makes the national security choice in the TN election between (1) right-wing candidate riddled with scandal or (2) right-wing candidate not riddled with scandal.  

In this ad, Ford is only giving people the opportunity to not choose a corrupt opponent.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:01:34 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

I just don't buy that security is a right-wing value. Why are we letting the right own that? They're the ones who have been sitting on the commission recommendations and not making us more safe.

Ford talks about security, so he's conservative? Sounds like you guys are doing exactly what you criticize the DLC for doing: propping up right-wing talking points.

By going after the GOP's perceived advantage (security anxieties), Ford is neutralizing the issue. Once he crosses the threshold and voters trust him on security, then the debate can center around the issues that Dems have an advantage on.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:36:26 PM EST
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yeah, and if I actually wrote that (none / 0)

then, I'd be as angry as you are.

But I didn't write anything close to what you claim I wrote.  Go back and read my comment again.  The distinction I make is not between 'security' and 'not security.'


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:49:22 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

I agree with your general argument.  The Repubs have been successful for years weakening a strength of the opponent (think Kerry and Vietnam) and then playing to their strength to complete the kill.  That is what Ford is trying to accomplish here and I give him credit.  The answer is not ignore security, it is to point out the Bush Admin hasn't done enough and has ignored the 9/11 Commission Report.  We may never get to parity on this issue but weakening the Rs or at least making them defend themselves on it is going to help us overall.  


by John Mills on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:12:23 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

My one and only complaint too is that he does not identify by word or letter that he is a Democrat.  I think he should either attack Republicans or praise Democrats.  As in, "As a Democrat, I believe we need to secure our borders...".  That would be enough.  It's all a part of eventually making it okay to vote for a Democrat.
I don't think not mentioning either party is as sinful as saying, "Both parties need to do 'X'", or "Democrats and Republicans are responsible for [insert mess here]".  If you're a Democrat and you don't have anything nice to say about Democrats, then don't say anything.  
I have mixed feelings about Ford.  I think he's a very impressive politician and nothing makes you more forgivable than winning.  :)  But, I can't help but remember that he was one of the first to criticize Dean when he made the "Republicans aren't working fold"[paraphrased].  That one hurt.  I was a huge admirer of Ford until that happened.  Since then, my support of him has been a little more tepid.  In fact, I haven't even donated to his Senate campaign.  I'd rather give my limited funds to someone who doesn't hurt Democrats or the Progressive caucus inside the party.

by maddogg on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:16:57 AM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

I guess what I'd ask is whether Corker is one of the many Republicans this year who's trying to hide his party affiliation and downplay his support of Bush. If he is, then refusing to nail him on it is just propping up his strategy of choice, which can't be good tactics. If Corker is still associating with Bush of his own free will, though, there's no need for Ford to risk driving away voters by spending his ad time tying them together--anyone who's going to be swayed by that will be able to see it anyway.

What I don't get is why Democratic challengers in races where the Republican incumbents are running away from Bush and the Republican party aren't pressing their advantage on that by declaring their opponent is a Republican and criticizing the Republican congress as much as possible. If the incumbents don't want to be associated with Bush and the Republican congress anymore, then hang it around their neck! Seems like a no-brainer to me.


by tjekanefir on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:22:13 AM EST

The ad is decent (none / 0)

I am usually for the aggressive approach. But I see nothing wrong with this ad. I do not see a pandering to republicans. When asked, I would like Ford to say he is a proud democrat. However, there is no need to drum up the party in his ads. This is about him serving all of TN.

I am a Lamont backer. And I would back him up if he adopted a welcome all approach as long as he does not compromise on his main message. You do need some soft ads in addition to some hard hitting ones. I don't think we should be analysing ads in isolation unless they are clearly bad. You gotta look at an entire ad campaign for a candidate, see how it is affecting locals, and then come up with a judgement.

Then again, if you got an ad as ridiculous as Lieberman's sunset ad or bear ad, fire away!

My rule of thumb. If your opponent is self destructing, go with soft ads. If your opponent is hard hitting and focussed and having an impact, then you gotta be aggressive and focused on what you want your message to be.


by Pravin on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 10:33:23 AM EST

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I've read through the post and all the comments and I don't think anyone has mentioned the elephant in the room; Harold Ford is black.

Am I naive in thinking that this will have a negative effect on his ability to win the state.?


by mpower1952 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 11:07:16 AM EST

My thoughts (3.00 / 2)

When was the last time Dems won an open seat in the south, 2000? Look, all you people calling Ford GOP-lite or "DLC Loser" are nuts. Nobody BUT a DLCer are going to win in the south. You want proof? Besides Santorum, who's gonna get knocked out, look at northeastern GOP senators: Collins, Snowe, Chafee etc. are moderate Republicans, because they have to be in line with their region's ideology. This isnt selling out, this is standard politics.
At any rate, I dont think you guys are giving Ford nearly enough credit. He hasnt depended no DC funds, he's raised a hell of a lot of cash himself. He was the first Democrat in this Senate cycle to go on the air and call for troop withdrawl. Hey Stoller, how come you didnt mention that fact?
Ford is running the classic southern Dem campaign: socially conservative and economically populist. He's called for renewable sources to our energy crisis, warned about global warming, is for raising the minimum way etc. He's not "out Republicaning" Corker like Carson tried to do in Oklahoma, he's playing the role of a centerist and new leadership. He's doing well.
by AC4508 on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 12:17:30 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

To answer the previous poster's question, Coker is not running from Bush.  Coker's problem is actually that he is a fairly moderate republican, so in the primary his main rivals were on the right, and his big challenge is making sure the far right Reps show up to vote.  Coker will not be able to run for the middle in this race because he's going to need to shore up his base.

A couple of things to note about TN.  First, TN is one of the few states that still has a sizable number of boll weevil style Conservative Democrats.  Most of those went Rep in the 80's or 90's, but TN still has a sizable number of them.  They will vote for suitable Dems in statewide elections, but are pretty automatic Rep votes in presidential elections.  As such, Ford wouldn't be wise to make this a referendum on Bush.  Many TN are frustrated with Bush right now and his approval ratings are as low as they've ever been in TN, but there's little viceral Bush hatred.  Most TN like Bush on a personal level even if they disagree with his policies.  A sizable majority of TN, including many Dems, are very wary of anything that smells "liberal".  (Just to give an idea, I have talked to literally dozens of TN Dems who say they will never vote for Hilliary for prez, not because she is too centrist, but because she is "too liberal" or "I just don't like her".) "Family values" issues are a big deal there.  Even if they aren't happy with Bush, an anti-Bush cmapign would smell liberal to them.  

Second, there have only been two Dems in TN who have been successful since the post Gore/Sasser era: Ned Ray WcWherter and Phil Bredesen. Ned Ray was an old style populist conservative Dem, while Bredesen is more of a DLC/Blair style "good government" Dem.  Both of them were/are more conservative than many Rep candidates in Northeastern states.  If you're Ford, and your looking for a gameplan for success, you've pretty much have to start with Bredesen's playbook and work from there because there simply isn't much else to work from.


by alhill on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 02:51:29 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

While everyone on this thread has made some good points about Ford's ability to win, all Corker has to do is use Ford's own voting record against him.

Why vote for a faux Democrat when you can have a real ReThug holding office?

And while Ford's ethnicity shouldn't be a factor, given Tennessee's history of race relations, it is going to be a factor, whether you want it to be or not.

Plus, African-Americans are beginning to wise up to Ford, once they realized the congressional representation they have been getting from Junior has not been the same as the representation they got from Harold Sr for more than 20 years.

There are conservative Dems in Congress (Ben Nelson comes to mind)but they haven't run away from the "Democratic" label as Harold Ford has.  In fact, I'm convinced if he wins, when he thinks the coast is clear, he's going to turn ReThug.

He already uses many of their talking points, and is too cozy with Bush and Lieberman (and he considers Lieberman his mentor).

So Matt's analysis is spot on - and we can agree to disagree on Harold Ford's senate race.  My concern is if he wins, what does the Democrats gain by having, at best, a Zell Miller clone who will probably vote Republican every chance he gets?

For more information on Ford's voting record, go here: http://www.cbcmonitor.voxunion.com.  His voting record shows he voted with the Democratic caucus 30% of the time and he received failing grades not only from that group, but here as well:
http://www.drummajorinstitute.org.

Both are independent of one another, but Ford's performance as a lawmaker was to flunk.  Should poor performance be rewarded with election to higher office?


by Political Junkie on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 03:10:29 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

As a Tennessee voter, I feel I'm pretty inclined to discuss this topic.  Sure Harold Ford Jr is a conservative dem, and sure there's very little difference between the two candidates...  but here's the kicker:

1) Ford will caucus with the dems, giving them the majority.

  1. Conservative voters can't stand the Republican candidate and are going to stay home in droves.
  2. Ford and his moderate views will play well in a state that is fed up with the current administration but don't want to forfeit the social conservative agenda.

I'm telling you, Corker's campaign is getting killed because Ford is actually talking issues.  Other candidates could learn from his straight forward, no nonsense mentality.  Even though he's conservative, you gotta love his charisma.


Tennessee is the 6th seat
by Moderate Matt on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 07:56:29 PM EST

Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Matt, by chance I saw the 2-minute interview of Rep Ford on your Nashville channel 5 TV. He did well, I think. Kind of good-old-boy with Bush, I blush to note, but he was a bulldog with his opponent, esp in not setting one debate in Knoxville.

Go here to see it:  

http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news /21680.asp


by Books Alive on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 08:12:19 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (none / 0)

Yeah, I'm pretty pissed about the whole Knoxville thing too.  I live in Knoxville and work for WATE-TV.  We were supposed to host the first debate.  Its definately made quite a few people upset.  

Then again, Corker would get killed in a one on one with Ford.  His campaign would only suffer if he debated more.  Its unfortunate that the people of northeast TN will never see the two together.


Tennessee is the 6th seat
by Moderate Matt on Thu Aug 31, 2006 at 09:16:35 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Accountability Adwatch: Harold Ford (3.00 / 1)

Ouch, didn't realize that decision cut so close to home for you.

I looked at Ford's website today. He's got a string of short ads. More power to him!

I read about Sen Frist buying an expensive home in DC, and I heard his comment to Brian Lamb when C-Span visited the Senate Leader's office. Frist pointed out that he considered the view from the White House was the only other view that was better than his! That says volumes.


by Books Alive on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 06:06:33 PM EST
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