Stand Up for Yourselves

This is frustrating.

A content analysis of 42 television advertisements over the last month from Democratic congressional candidates shows little mention of their own party. Less than one-quarter (10) of the ads mentioned the affiliation of the candidate, and eight of those were by candidates running in Democratic primaries.

Since the adwatch program started, I've been lectured four times over the past two days on the concept of swing voters.  'Not everyone is a Democrat like you' is the refrain.  I have no idea why so many people think we are stupid and uninformed, but that's the way it is.

My point here is relatively simple.  If you pretend like you aren't a Democrat or that your opponent is just a bad politician instead of a bad Republican politician, voters will think you are ashamed of who you are.  It's not about being a proud Democrat, it's about not being a tool.  Voters don't like tools.



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Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (3.00 / 1)

I can deal with not highlighting being a Democrat as long as you highlight being VERY oppositional to Republicans- I think that's probably good enough.  However, it would really be nice if we could find more candidates willing to say that the definition of a Democrat, at least this year, is opposition to completely crazy Republican leadership.  If that's why they're running (and, to quote Rob Gordon, it fucking should be shouldn't it?) then they should say so.

If you want to say you're gonna improve schools, say that you're going to save schools from Republican neglect and shitty Republican education policy.  If you want to fix health care, say you want to be a voice that stops Republicans from letting poor Americans literally rot from unaffordable medical care.  It's damned easy. I should go into advertising. We should all just go into advertising.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:01:30 PM EST

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And you know what else? If they're so scared of the word "Democrat" then at least use a synonym like, say, "progressive".


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:12:16 PM EST
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I think we're seeing a formulated and coordinated strategy from the DCDem consultant class to advise (or perhaps demand) that their clients campaign as "Stealth Democrats".

They obviously don't realize the rare opportunity Democrats have to rebuild their own and the party's image this year.

All it would take is to say, "Bush and the Republicans have messed (whatever) up. My opponent is a Bush Republican who wants more of the same. I'm a Democrat who will fix the problems they've caused."

But DCDems have been retreating in shame for so long that it's all they know.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:40:29 PM EST
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the DC/DLC wing got into office (they think at least) by virtue of people not noticing that they were Democrats.  Essentially, a lot of these folks figured that the quicker road to DC was the Democratic Party people wanted a nominal two-party system but really just wanted more Reagan.  So now we've got opportunists at the top of the party who aren't interested in the health or strength of the party because a strong party does them no good.  They see a resurgence of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party (by the way, we should be throwing that around a LOT more) and they're pushing back because in a climate friendly to actual Democratic principles, when you compare the Liebermans and Froms of the world to honest-to-god Democrats, the real Democrats are going to be exposed and run out on a rail.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:12:45 PM EST
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dammit. the fake Democrats run out on a rail. yeah yeah.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:23:30 PM EST
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Can we tar and feather 'em first?


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:15:45 PM EST
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And I realize I'm preaching to the choir here, but I'm in a mood today.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:13:07 PM EST
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Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (none / 0)

Go ahead. Sometimes I feel so all alone.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:14:50 PM EST
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You're not as alone as it may seem.  You just refuse to take your pragmatism pills like the rest of us. Not necessarily such a bad thing.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:50:16 PM EST
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I try to swallow them, but they gag me these days.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 09:31:28 PM EST
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Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (3.00 / 2)

I think it's about showing voters that you have the confidence of your beliefs.  By running away from a party label, you lose maybe the most appealing characteristic of any politician.  

This is the first seriously dismaying trend (if indeed it is a trend) I've seen this cycle.  

The next "growth spurt" for the party's national message will probably have to come from the next Presidential race.  They're just too frightened in Congress to deliver it now.

Really, we should probably be as sympathetic about the beltway disconnect as we are pissed.  It's so easy to lose touch.  Let's figure out how to pressure candidates to not be afraid, rather than lacerating them.


by Andmoreagain on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:05:05 PM EST

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You are so right. Being afraid of who you are denotes weakness of character. Who the hell do these consultants think they're fooling anyway? Why should any independent trust someone who obviously is being devious towards them. This kind of thing is the very trait the Indys hate about politicians. If a person says they are an independent that indicates they are OPEN to ALL politician's message that means BOTH repigs and DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


by eddieb on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:08:23 PM EST

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Agree.  Eliot Spitzer doesn't mention he is a Democrat either and he is running in NY.  I wonder if Hillary will??  It is not as though she can run from the party label considering her husband was the last Dem President.

Is this just plain timidity or is there some polling data saying party affiliation in ads is a bad thing?  I ask because it seems to be a trend everywhere even where being a Dem is not cryptonite.


by John Mills on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:11:25 PM EST

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"I don't think Americans are tired of partisan politics; I think they're tired of hearing career politicians diss partisan politics to get a gig. I've tried it before, they ain't buying it. That's okay, though. That's okay, though, 'cause partisan politics is good. Partisan politics is what the founders had in mind. It guarantees that the minority opinion is heard, and as a lifelong possessor of minority opinions, I appreciate it. But if you're troubled by it, Governor, you should know, in this campaign, you've used the word "liberal" seventy-four times in one day. It was yesterday."

If only Sorkin could've skipped that whole coke habit thing.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:21:58 PM EST
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"If only Sorkin could've skipped that whole coke habit thing."

An incredibly talented guy.  I miss the West Wing even if it lost its way the last 2 years.


by John Mills on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:47:40 PM EST
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Why do american comedies have laugh tracks? (3.00 / 1)

Because studies have repeatedly shown that people find it easier to express an emotion when they know it's shared by others.  They hear the laughing and feel it's okay for them to laugh, too.  [b]They don't have to be embarrrassed about it.[/b]

I don't think politics is any different.  If people see that being a democrat is nothing to be embarrassed about, then they'll be a lot more likely to be democrats, or at least to vote for them.  "Proud to be a democrat" [b]is[/b] an appeal to swing voters.  The republicans learned this.  Do your critics remember 2004, where Kerry lost largely due to the 'irresolute and wishy-washy' criticism?  Voters will vote for someone who stands up for what they believe, [b]even if they don't agree with that belief[/b].    I've talked to dozens of fairly liberal democrats, here in NC, who voted for Jesse Helms because "We know where he stands."
Your critics are clueless.


by Kalil on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:14:48 PM EST

Re: Why do american comedies have laugh tracks? (none / 0)

Ack...  I should have used preview.  I was using BBcode instead of .html...  Sorry 'bout that.


by Kalil on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:28:12 PM EST
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I think maybe part of the issue is that these candidates are not running these ads for us, they know how we are going to vote. Many bloggers (and i'm sure Matt has at one point or another)  bitch about 'the establishment' and 'consultants' over managing candidates races. Matt's pretty much doing the same thing here. How can you possibly know what the best message is for a candidate in some back water district down in Flordia or Massachuttes, or Vermont? I sure as hell don't.

Don't forget the biggest party in this country is the one that doesn't vote. So obviously they don't care about labels, either democract or republican. They care about ideas and leadership. That's what the Ads need to show, partisan lables really don't matter when going after this group.

Also at this point in the race going on air w/out using partisan labels allows the candidate to define themself to voters w/out having to fight through any preceived notion of the party.


by bjschmid on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:14:57 PM EST

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talk to real people- not the one's coming on blogs- and they universally say what Matt is saying. I think your attempt to 'anticipate' that matt is not talking about what real people want is the real problems with democrats.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:19:00 PM EST
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People from very red states said quite the opposite on another thread yesterday.  Several said that in some parts of the country people wouldn't listen to the message if the candidate was identified as a Dem up front.  I think that it really depends on the part of the country and the stage of the campaign.  All ads should say so-and-so "Democrat for Congress" at the end.  I don't care if they feel it is better not to put it at the beginning of the ad, or early in their air campaign.


by Mimikatz on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:17:01 PM EST
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reading a conservative blog for what Democrats should do is a little like the wife listening to the husband who abuses her- it simply doesn't provide data for the rational and non abused wife theory of life


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 06:05:14 PM EST
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can you direct us to that data? (none / 0)

I'm really curious to see the data that shows that.  If there is data that shows it definitively--this is a very big story.  IF it's just anecdotal, that's still interesting, but I would say...less of a story.

Any links, by chance?


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:22:31 PM EST
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Re: can you direct us to that data? (none / 0)

Look at the CA-50 data


by Matt Stoller on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:42:31 PM EST
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very interesting... (none / 0)

After reading that data I can see the point better.  

It's about identifying as a Dem and as clearly different at the same time.  The danger that not doing this presents in a specific race is:  in the absence of the Dem brand, independent voters may drfit to the non-Dem candidate just because they speak louder  or clearer.

That's a big change in philosophy from much Dem leadership that believes the key to winning is showing similiarity to the previous winners so that voters drift to the Dem challenger.  

Does a candidate show similarity or difference as an overall strategy?  I get the sense the readers of this thread are split on that question.

For me, '00 and '04 were enough to make me permantently allergic to the similarity strategy.  So, even if showing clear difference doesn't turn out to be the best formula in 100% of current races, I'd rather err on the side of showing clear difference anyway--and try to figure out how to adapt this approach to the few districts where it might not work perfectly right out of the box, so to speak.

But there's always going to be a backlash if you critique an ad by a candidate people have already invested themselves in emotionally.  

But then again...we could all use thicker skin as we head into November.  It's gonna get rough out there.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:46:57 PM EST
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How can you convince people that you're a member of the leadership party, the party with strong ideas and vibrant american values, when you won't even acknowledge which party you're a member of?


by Kalil on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:30:15 PM EST
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Lately, you have been pretty good at hitting the nail on the head. The one story I keep repeating is about my conservative evangelical Democrat friend who when she was asked to support and endorse a more liberal candidate her issue with him wasn't "he's more liberal" it was that he refused to give her straight answers for fear of offending her. He turned what was a simple question of policy into her coming away from the situation questioning his character. I just don't know why people don't see how damaging such approaches are.

I think a lot of policians think we are stupid.

It's like they throw out all the common sense that they have for how human behavior really works (which isn't issues) in favor of  saying "well, this is politics, and let me do something that is counter to pscyhology." The norm being if you don't define yourself, then others might. If you are afraid of what you believe, then others will think you are weak.

The Republicans, as pointed out on Olberman last night, are better at this game than Democrats because they understand they are shaping character image. I really one day want to write a diary in which I just repeat the word character until we start to get that this is where we lose people, especially in the middle because they people aren't partisan. They vote based on whether they like you, now whether they agree with everything you say. Why can't people see that?


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:17:53 PM EST

Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (3.00 / 2)

In all seriousness, what kind of expertise do we have around here with nuts-and-bolts admaking as opposed to just messaging? What if we pulled together a collective of 10-12 people and offered in-kind contributions to candidates either making their ads entirely or helping script them?  Then hold them up as examples of how to do it?  I'm sure there are candidates who wouldn't mind a free ad, and even if it's candidates who have NO shot whatsoever, we have a couple great ads to point at and say "see? do it like that".  Even better if we can get some polling before and after that (hopefully) would prove the point.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:32:26 PM EST

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Small Town Texas, Present Day

[Candidate for office walks into local bar.]

Candidate: My name is Sean-Paul.  I'm a proud lifelong Communist and Atheist.  You may not agree with me, but I have the balls to stand up for what I believe.  That's why you should vote for me this November.

Bar dwellers: Wow, Sean-Paul!  You've got some stones comin' in here like that and standing up for yerself!  I may not agree with you, but you damn sure have my vote this November!

[Scene]


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by HellofaSandwich on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:33:15 PM EST

Is this (3.00 / 1)

how you know voters behave or how you want voters to behave?

I have no idea how to judge this kind of conclusion.  I mean, we could write all kinds of snappy copy to help make Matt's point--I really want Matt's point to be correct.   But I have no idea how to find out short of actual data.  This is a very specific argument about the relationship between voter behavior and a specific word used in a specific medium.  It just seems logical that the default answer would be 'it depends on the situation.'

I mean, show your candidate beating an old lady with a stick--and you will get 100% negative from voters.  Show them saving an old lady from a burning building--100% positive.  Show them the word 'Democrat'--???

I've asked this several times in this thread, but I'll ask again:  does anybody have any data to back up their opinions?

All I can say is that if you repeat the word 'Democrat' in your ads, people will remember that you used the word 'Democrat.'  What conclusions they draw from that--I have no idea.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:35:12 PM EST
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I think it's fairly obvious that in a district like TX-21, the word "Democrat" has negative associations.

I doubt that it's really changed much, even if Republicans aren't as high on themselves as they used to be.  Dems may lead Congressional Ballot polls now, but we can't apply that to TX-21 generically.  We'd need a specific poll to measure what shape the Democratic brand is in there.


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by HellofaSandwich on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:03:29 PM EST
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Re: Is this (none / 0)

if some of you had a poll showing exactly what matt claims you still would say that the poll is wrong. this isn't about data- it's about belief. if it were about data then whatever you wouold be advocating wouldnt include a strategy that has already failed several times.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 06:32:07 PM EST
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Re: Is this (none / 0)

Actually, I think this comment is wrong on many counts.

First, being curious about polling data makes sense in a MyDD series that began with...polling data collected by the monderators of this blog--several of which are (ehem) gaga for polling data.

Second, I think this thread and others have shown that ad conventions pushed by PR people are more than a little bit to blame for the tone of these early ads--not simply some reluctance to agree with Matt.  In other words, by actually having a discussion that includes disagreeing with the writer--we've learned something, a great many somethings, that we can use going forwarrd.

Third, 'It isn't about data...it's about belief' is just wrong.  You may want it to be about belief.  But this whole discussion is based on MyDD saying, "OK...they've tried some stuff, we've tried some stuff...we did some follow up polling, these are our conclusions and our speculations based on our findings."  So it isn't about belief at all.  It's about experience, follow up studies, analysis, and then discussion.  We're building on that work, not just jumping on board Matt's beliefs.  

Just about the only belief underpinning this discussion is the belief that the original MyDD memo was written on a rock solid foundation of data--all of which makes Stoller's observations particularly strong.  If it was just opinion, we'd probably give it some weight on faith--but it's much more than that.  

And I would go one step further:  the attention to polling data--to both reading it and producing it--is one of the reasons that people come to participate in MyDD.  If you take a quick gander at the right and left columns, you'll find one or two items about polling.  

But...you know...I guess some of you might not see that no matter how simply it's put to you ; )


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:23:21 PM EST
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Re: Is this (none / 0)

where's your data that continuing along the same lines as before has worked? until you can show me that- all you are doing reinforcing what you want to believe.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 08:18:52 PM EST
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yeah... (none / 0)

Can you show me where I said that?  Because you're being very agressive--but your comment has nothing to do with anything I wrote.  Or anybody else for that matter.

Is it that you believe if I am interested in data, that means I am automatically 100% against the post?  Is that what you're trying to say?


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 08:27:19 PM EST
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Re: yeah... (none / 0)

I see your logic- better a certain wrong, than a possible right. Interesting analytical skills there. As I said- this is what fear does to people.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 09:45:30 PM EST
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Re: yeah... (none / 0)

for the record, you don't have to say it. the choices are before us, and the one you choose to eliminate does that job for you. right now the democrats really have two choices when all the verbiage is cut down to the basic choices- either they will take risks or they will not. The fomrer is about character branding and party building, and the later is about the same mistakes of the past that can be found by even a lay student of the last 15 or so years of political history in America. When you talk about data- look at Kerry and his strategy, look at Gore an his strategy, look to the contenders for 2008, look to many races including those of people like Max Cleland of GA who the voters knew, look to a lot of places, then tell me how you aren't making a choice. Do you or others, by saying "well, I can see why they wouldn't want to mention that they are Democrats," think you are really saying something beyond what the DLC is already saying or what Democrats have done in the past? What sucess as this produced. Whether or not Matt is right will come down to whether or not his ideas are tested. As I suggest by my prior post, first, we do have some data that Matt is right, second the data on your side of the argument is that it is a loser. That doesn't change whether one is in TX, RI or CA. People are basically people when it comes to issues of character such as do you believe the person in front of you is strong or weak? Do you think they are bullshitting you? Do you think they are honest? Blame the Republicans. Blame the press. Blame anyone you want, but realize that bland milk toast approaches to politics is what is killing our side. No one listens because they face a lot of chatter, have already assumed what Democrats are, we provide no clue that they are any thing different, are afraid to even start to build a cogent way of voters to see us differents, etc. Frankly, this argument with folks is getting old. I don't care if you find me "aggressive." I read that as you haven't thought through the conversation if you don't see the choices.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 09:57:56 PM EST
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Re: yeah... (none / 0)

And I'm tired of people wading into MyDD discussions, reducing interersting conversations down to bullshit either-or choices and then insisting that other people are either with the new view--or stupid.

So, frankly.  You can go to hell.  Your posing as someone who understands power is childish and missing the obvious--this is a community where people are trying to connect with each other through discussions about politics, and build the social networks we need to bring about political success.

Your arrogance is alienating and destructive to that effort.  You want to enforce political views?  Launch your own blog and police the comments against anyone who asks a question.  But if you're here, in a group blog, keep your sophomoric ultimatums to yourself.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Aug 25, 2006 at 05:14:44 PM EST
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People don't like "tools"?

Like, maybe, tools of political parties?

Most voters, and especially swing voters, don't want partisan politicians. They want representatives who will provide independent representation of their interests. Not stating your party affiliation isn't branding yourself as a tool, or hiding something. Its saying that you are a politician who puts the voters, not his party first.

That may not appeal to this crowd, but that's because its not designed to.


by dantheman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:43:52 PM EST

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As I mentioned above, I think you're wrong.  If congress were 535 independents, nothing would ever get done.  Independent thought, sure.  But people recognize the value of a collective voice.  People also realize that Republicans are obviously going to be partisan to the extreme detriment of the actual country, so organized opposition to that is how you stop it.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 01:53:12 PM EST
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 the single biggest issue that independents have with Democrats is that they think we are weak. show me how your analysis prevents this conclusion from being true


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 06:34:42 PM EST
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What abou the Republicans? (none / 0)

It's a good point, but I think it would carry more weight if you also had data showing that Republicans always mentioned party affiliation in the same kinds of ads being discussed here.

If both the Repups and Dems are doing the same thing--withholding party ID in ads--then the problem is different than Dems being afraid.  If that were the case case, the problem you would be picking up on would become something like "elected officials worried that the public is tired of politics"--a slightly different issue.  

Maybe we need to make up some "I'm Blue And I'm Proud!" bumper stickers...


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:07:19 PM EST

Re: What abou the Republicans? (none / 0)

It's a good point, but I think it would carry more weight if you also had data showing that Republicans always mentioned party affiliation in the same kinds of ads being discussed here.

The Republican brand is in the trash.  The Democratic brand is nowhere.


by Matt Stoller on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:08:42 PM EST
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Re: What abou the Republicans? (none / 0)

Nevertheless, it would be interesting to be able to check the ads that Republicans ran in '94.  I would assume that's pretty much impossible, but it'd be an interesting point of comparison.

The other point that's missed here is that Republicans don't have a branding issue.  They don't need to hammer home that they're Republicans, because people know what Republicans stand for (supposedly).  Someone talking tough about values, defense, lower taxes- must be a Republican.  The association is already there.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:21:11 PM EST
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That's the point I was going to make (none / 0)

"The Democratic brand is nowhere"

I've posted many times I'd love our chances much better this year if the party favorability numbers were several points higher. No matter where the Republicans stood in that regard.

But it reminds me of Bill Clinton's strong and wrong speech. Even if voters in some regions generally dissaprove of Democrats, in this climate I've got to believe standing up for yourself and shouting your affiliation can only be a net positive. Look at the huge approval ratings for our governors in red states.

I'm beyond sick of strategic and safe.


by jagakid on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:46:06 PM EST
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Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (none / 0)

I am one of those who do not want to be a Republican or a Democrat. I really don't want to be called anything, except perhaps a concerned voter. I seldom vote for an incumbent. They usually do something to irritate me before re-election time. I do not want 535 independents, but what I do want is 535 people thinking about the common good and not what will get them re-elected. I want the elected reps to learn how to live within a budget. I want them to think about tomorrow and next year and the year after that. I get tired of all the rancor and smearing from all parties. As usual, I will vote again this year, but I doubt it will be for any already there.
If you think you can win without people like me, then you should think again!
by grampsx2 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:11:20 PM EST

shame (none / 0)

voters will think you are ashamed of who you are


Just curious...is this speculation about what voters think or a result from the survey you guys did?  I read that line and I though,  OK, why wouldn't voters also think, "Finally!  A politician who isn't obsessed with his party and can just talk about the issues."

I honestly don't know what voters think about a candidate specifically when they see an ad that doesn't mention party affiliation.  It's a very specific insight.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:12:40 PM EST

Re: shame (none / 0)

40% of Democrats approve of Ensign in Nevada.  Look at Carter's ads.  That's a bad thing.


by Matt Stoller on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:43:41 PM EST
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Re: shame (none / 0)

Why does Carter have to say he's a Democrat to combat this?


by dantheman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:55:04 PM EST
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Re: shame (none / 0)

To tell them why they should care about him enough to go against the incumbent. Many of you don't understand that voters are conservative (not as in values) but as in the fact that they will, if given the choice, between X, who is bad but they know the name, or Y, who is bad, but they don't know him, can't figure out who is, etc- will choose X. Its easier to dislike or like someone you know than not know. But its guaranteed that if they dont know you they aren't going to vote for you. That would seem to be common sense everywhere but in politics.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 10:02:51 PM EST
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Re: shame (none / 0)

That's exactly what most non-partisan voters think.


by dantheman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:55:53 PM EST
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Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (none / 0)

Notice anything about the Andrew Hurst website? as in Democrat for congress right under his name?

He promised me that if he could raise money for TV commercials he would mention the Terri Schiavo subpoena.


by Alice Marshall on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:24:31 PM EST

Some Data for thought (none / 0)

From the latest Diageo/Hotline poll. Sorry if the columns don't line up

13. And, in your opinion, do you think the country would be better off if the Republicans controlled Congress or if the Democrats controlled Congress?

                                TOTAL REP IND DEM
Republicans                      30%   71% 11% 5%
Democrats                        37%   6%  25% 76%
Neither (DO NOT READ)            20%   14% 46% 10%
Don't Know/Refused (DO NOT READ) 13%   9%  18% 9%

In other words, a plurality of independents say that they'd prefer neither of the major parties were running Congress even when that is not given as an option in the poll.

Highlighting your partisinship is just not a good way to win these votes.


by dantheman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:53:42 PM EST

Re: Some Data for thought (none / 0)

Though, of course, highlighting your opponent's partisanship is clearly a very good thing.


by dantheman on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:11:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Refrain" is disingenuous (none / 0)

"Not everyone is a Democrat like you' is the refrain"
.

Fact is not everyone is a Republican either and boatloads of people are sick and tired of those kleptocratic GOP bastards.

Not only should we be taking this golden opportunity to promote and enhance the Democratic "brand" (as much as I hate that term), but we need to reinforce it as the alternative to the out-of-favor GOP brand now carrying all of its negative baggage.

Put the heavy burden onus on the GOP to explain why being a Republican candidate somehow makes them a better choice for voters.  We then get a double benefit.  Voters will have a negatively reinforced reason to identify with or gravitate toward a Democratically identified candidate since they will hear both (1) the Democratic message of change and (2) be driven away from the tarnished GOP brand by the revulsion of the very same GOP corruption and incompetence that is directly responsible for all the intractably serious problems causing the GOP's declining poll numbers.

People are telling Democrats that they are pissed at the GOP.  Any Democrat not exploiting the GOP "brand" revolt does so at their own peril and to their own detriment.

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sláinte,

CL

by Caoimhin Laochdha on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:59:06 PM EST

Re: "Refrain" is disingenuous (none / 0)

And maybe we can't reinforce the Democratic brand in every district.  But the point is, we should do it wherever and whenever we can.  There's got to be a consistent, coherent pushback against the "Democrat = evil" message that's been spewing uncontested from the GOP and its minions for decades now.

The pushback has to start somewhere, sometime.  I certainly can't think of a better time than now.  And it's got to start in lots of places, even some places where (heaven forfend!) the candidate might feel he or she is taking a bit of a risk to do so.


by kenfair on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 03:35:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Stand Up for Yourselves (none / 0)

Word.


Dust in the wind. All we are is dust in the divine, flatulent wind.
by Nezua Limon Xoloquinta Jonez on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 05:58:33 PM EST

Beliefs first, then party (none / 0)

I agree and disagree.

I think what Democrats specifically but really all politicians need to do is start standing up for what is right and not what is a party line. And even more importantly not what they think will get them reelected.

Once people know Democrats are steadfast in their beliefs, then they will start believing in Democrats.

Letting the Republicans frame the issues doesn't help either.

Dems need to start acting and not reacting.

http://dontbealemming.com/2006/08/19/dem ocrats-need-to-be-true-to-themselves-and -their-priorities.aspx

Posted by the Lemming Herder from Don't Be A Lemming!


by Lemming Herder on Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 10:55:17 PM EST


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