Republican Caucus poll in Iowa

An early poll out of Iowa done by a Davenport, Iowa-based firm called Victory Enterprises, has Giuliani up on top in Iowa:
Giuliani  30 
McCain    17.3
Frist      6.5
Romney     4.5
Allen      3.5
Pataki     3.3
Huckabee   2.5
Brownback  2.5
There's still about 30% undecided, and who knows where they might go. PEW's national poll finds Giuliani and McCain also stacked at the top. That's name ID, but who is going to break-out of the pack? Allen seemed likely, but Macaca has got to question his turn at the bend, and it's interesting that James Gilmore, who left a $3 Billion deficit after his 4 years as Governor of Virginia, is now being mentioned as "another slightly-better than mediocre candidate" for the Republicans. But my question on this poll is, where the heck is Newt Gingrich? He just won a straw poll in Minnesota’s state Republican convention with 39 percent, and is usually next in line after Giuliani/McCain/Rice in the national '08 Republican polls.

I keep thinking that we are going to see an evangelical candidate pop in Iowa on the Republican side next year (probably with national netroots evangelical funding as well). Who? Well, Allen would probably have fit the bill, perhaps Romney can crossover, and Huckabee seems a natural for the role, but I'd probably bet on Brownback at this point.

Update [2006-8-22 21:42:54 by Jerome Armstrong]:Looks like the team I root for (Warner) got first in the blind-bio Zogby 2008 poll, edging out Clark; and Gingrich won on the GOP side.



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Re: Republican Caucus poll in Iowa (none / 0)

Did Zogby's bio mention he is a DLC'er?


by Bob Brigham on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 09:50:51 PM EST

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Since only about .005% percent of Democrats pencil that in as their single issue and it's not his bio, probably not.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:11:56 PM EST
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Discussing who should be the nominee without ruling out DLC members is like discussing Iraq and listening to people who didn't think the invasion would be a mistake. I calculate there is a .005% chance of somebody creating a solution when they don't understand the problem.


by Bob Brigham on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:34:32 PM EST
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McCain has been out in Iowa "campaigning" on a platform of cutting back farm subsidies and other "pork" and opposing ethanol subsidies.  Iowa Democrats killed Bill Bradley's campaign by dropping him 20 points based on opposition to ethanol.  McCain's attempt to re-establish his maverick persona should not work in Iowa.

As for Rudy, well, I think he's too New York.  Midwesterners have played better than either easterners or west coasters in Iowa.  Huckabee and Brownback definitely have a chance to shine here.

The 2000 caucus was basically resolved early at the pay-to-play straw poll in August 2003. (voters literally pay a specified donation to the State Republican Party to choose their favorite candidate.  Hardly harmless, given the actual stakes although the campaigns pony up the fee, transportation costs, etc.) George W. was basically crowned at the State Fair like the prize cow.  A year from now, the front-runner will be anointed.  Shouldn't this be outlawed by the poll tax amendment to the US Constitution?


by David Kowalski on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 09:59:54 PM EST

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I took 10/1 on Guiliani winning their nod a few weeks ago. On a couple of balanced political sites I post on, McCain is despised by the Repubican posters while the moderate Republicans and the hard right wingers love Rudy. He wins every poll in a landslide.

I guess we'll continue to dismiss that and embrace conventional wisdom rationale that he'll never be nominated due to issues.

Meanwhile, the doubt that Hilary's poll lead will translate into the nomination is based on the belief she will be rejected due to electability. That hardly applies to Rudy. In fact, just the opposite. Poster after poster from the GOP on those balanced sites is emphasizing their top priority is to win, and Rudy is the best chance at that.

And if you look at the Strategic Vision state polls, Rudy is blowing out McCain everywhere. The only state he doesn't lead McCain is Michigan. Strategic Vision came out with a Georgia poll today and Rudy leads McCain 30-20.


by jagakid on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:23:17 PM EST

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Its going to be Huckabee. He's got the evangelical conservative cred and the people skills to win. Its all about whether he can assemble a good team, and he's got a lot of free time to do that.

its Huckabee vs. Warner or Edwards in 2008. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I want to put money on this in Las Vegas ASAP.


by AaronE on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:36:11 PM EST

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     Screw Vegas. Just buy futures contracts at www.intrade.com


by Ron Thompson on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:43:02 PM EST
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I agree with you. However, someone I know who follows Iowa politics closely claims that a lot of evangelicals fear Huckabee is "too liberal."

this guy thinks Romney has a shot. I don't think the bible-thumpers will ever go for a Mormon.


Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.
by desmoinesdem on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:54:59 PM EST
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I agree with you about Huckabee.  He is attractive to the pragmatic right wing, but I think Brownback will be the one to represent the Christian Right Wing.  I see in him a lot of integrity with his Christianity and this shows through and I predict he will grab the Christian vote.  He might even win it all which would be the best thing for the Democrats.

I agree the bible-thumpers will never go for a Mormon, and I don't see how he can make it "go away" to the people who care, particularly when people consider his MA "compromises".


by NCJim on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 10:20:53 AM EST
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FYI Recent Poll (none / 0)

Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. June 24-27, 2006.

"Just thinking about a candidate's religion, do you think you could vote for [see below] for president, or not?"

   Yes No Unsure  
    % % %  
 "A Catholic candidate"
   83 9 8  

"A Jewish candidate"
   78 14 8  

"An evangelical Christian candidate"
   65 22 13

"A Mormon candidate"
   53 35 12

"A Muslim candidate"
   34 53 13


by NCJim on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:01:49 PM EST
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I've alternated back and forth from Brownback to Huckabee; the latter's Dumond case though would seem like a national deal breaker.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:58:17 PM EST
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     When Brownback was first elected to Congress he was a Methodist, but he later converted to Roman Catholicism.
     Not sure you can be a Catholic and an evangelical, too. Brownback may well emerge as the preferred candidate of evangelical Christians, but I'm not convinced that anti-Catholicism has been entirely abandoned by mainstream midwest Republicans, nor that a man who left the Methodist church as an adult will be an attractive candidate to Methodists. And there are quite a few of them in the Iowa Republican Party.
     After Allen's macaca comments, it's increasingly clear that Huckabee is going to emerge by default as the preferred candidate of Christian conservatives.
by Ron Thompson on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:40:50 PM EST

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I don't think Rudy will be as strong in a general election as many predict him to be. The guy has way too many skeletons in his closet and his associates aren't of the greatest character, i.e. Bernie Kerik.


by musa on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:43:29 PM EST

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Agreed.  He is as high as he will ever be right now.  2004 would have been his shot post 9/11 but he had an incumbent R president blocking him.  2008 is too far away from the event plus the distance is allowing some solid post mortums to finally occur.  For example, the ill fated decision to put the Emergency Command center in the WTC complex inspite of the 1993 bombing is getting  a ton of play in NY these days.

In the end, I don't think he will make it out of the R primary.  Remember he announced his divorce to the press before he told his wife.  That, along with pro choice and moderate gay rights views, will not go over well with the family values crowd.


by John Mills on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:21:34 PM EST
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I think Rudy will alienate Evangelicals, but pick up a lot of Independent voters, especially if Hillary is the Democratic nominee.  Even with those moderate pickups, I doubt Rudy could pull it out for the Republicans unless he does a lot of "issue adjustment" to appeal to Evangelicals.  Of course, then he might alienate the moderates he is poised to attract with his current stances.  

In the end, I doubt Rudy will get the nomination due to his stance on so many issues that will not energize the Republican base.  Its all about GOTV, and at this point, I don't see a New York City Republican firing up Evangelical voters in the Mid-west.


by andy k on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 11:23:17 AM EST
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I think Romney has to be considered a non factor in as much the envangelicals would not support a mormon. If I were betting, I would put my money on Huckabee and/or Brownback.


by bamabarrron on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:07:13 PM EST

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Don't underestimate Romney. He's attractive and clever and filthy rich. I think he might find a way to make his Mormonism go away (or at least fade into invisibility) if that's what it took - or, alternately, the evangelicals he's wooing might find a way to make it go away. There's an awful lot of overlap on the issues, and sectarian differences haven't stopped the evangelicals from trying to woo the Catholic voters to an ad hoc alliance on abortion, gays, etc. They just might be amenable to a deal with a Mormon devil if it means continuing their influence on the White House.

Don't get me wrong. I can't stand the man, a plastic, phony Ken-doll and an opportunist who screwed the Republican incumbent (the hapless Jane Swift) out of a shot at a second elected term, swore up and down that yes, he really, really didn't want to be Governor of Massachusetts as a stepping stone to national political prominence - and then, once he was past the halfway mark in his first term, started touring the country and giving speeches about how Massachusetts was a bastion of liberal perfidy.

Fuck Romney and the elephant he rode in on. I fart in his general direction.


by Sharoney on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:28:58 AM EST

Re: Republican Caucus poll in Iowa (3.00 / 0)

McCain - if you consider him to be the GOP frontrunner - is the weakest frontrunner they've had since Ford in '76 (and probably since Rockefeller in '64). There's clearly going to be one or two main insurgent challenges to him. The three likeliest at this point are: Romney,  Romney is putting into place the staff, political support, and money to go the distance and be in contention in early '08. Gingrich will live and die by his supreme rhetorical skill - and there's no prominent national republican figure who has so fully embraced the political use of the internet. Allen, despite the deep embarrassment of the 'macaca incident' is still very viable as a presidential candidate. Allen is still the most credible as the natural heir of Reagan and Bush. Allen is also a populist who powerfully speaks to conservative populist anti-tax, anti-immigrant, and anti-liberal themes.

Huckabee is every liberal's guilty pleasure - he's a real nice and funny guy. Huckabee, however, doesn't have two nickels to rub together. Unless he manages to change that - and fast - he's not going to be anything other than an asterisk. There's not even the slightest indicator that he will be able to do that. Same with Brownback. In fact, I think Brownback won't even run.


by blueflorida on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:37:38 AM EST

Bottom line... (none / 0)

....is that the religous right / social conservatives do most of the grunt work for the Republicans, and they're already cranky about W these days.  If the Dems do well in the 2006 midterms, they'll be even more so.

Guliani, McCain...they just won't get the energy they need from their base should they be forced through to the nomination.

Huckabee is the one to watch.  He's very, very dangerous.  If he gets the grunts to work hard for him, no amount of logic will get Guliani or McCain to the finish line without severe wounds at best, and maybe not at all.

My two bits...


by palamedes on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 01:03:17 AM EST

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I think the Republicans are going to nominate one of the following, in order of probabilty:

1. John McCain - He is wooing the base, sewing up old wounds, and saying all the right things.

  1. Mitt Romney - There are some Republicans who think that he is the (R) version of John Kennedy, but according to them, Romney has "morals." Like Kennedy, his religion would be an issue in any campaign.
  2. Mike Huckabee - This guy is quite the charmer. He is a popular governor from a small state called Arkansas, likes cameras, is known for his enthusiasm and speaking ability... sounds alot like a certain former president.


by musa on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 01:33:13 AM EST

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I don't think it can be Mitt Romney simply because a whole lot of conservative Evangelicals will never accept a Mormon as their standard bearer.  (Comrades in arms, perhaps, but not as the Republican standard bearer.)


by palamedes on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 03:05:52 AM EST
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Democratic Caucus poll in Nevada (none / 0)

Democratic Nevada 2008 caucus (online poll)

I started an online poll on a liberal Nevada blog a few days ago.  Many of the readers of this blog were heavily debating the recent Gubanatorial Primary here in Nevada, so they're no doubt likely voters (and looking forward to the 2008 caucus).  Yes, this is very unscientific and way too early to be very reliable but the results are interesting nonetheless:

If the 2008 Nevada Presidential caucus were held today, which candidate would you choose?
                       #        %
Tom Vilsack            0        0%
Evan Bayh             4        2%
Bill Richardson   38      23%
John Edwards    29      17%
Hillary Clinton      20      12%
Wesley Clark     29      17%
John Kerry             3        1%
Mark Warner       16        9%
Russ Feingold     19      11%
Other                    4        2%

Total:                162

Take from that what you will.  Let's see how it matches up with the first official polling of Nevada by a proper polling firm.


by mbcarl on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 02:32:24 AM EST

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I saw video of John Edwards campaigning with Lamont the other day, and MAN did he sound good!  I was thinking about Warner as my ABH candidate, but Edwards's speech blew me away.  

Not only is Edwards an amazing communicator (we all knew that), but he's talking about the right things and hitting the right notes -- redefining morality as taking care of humanity and helping one another.  If he can succeed in reclaiming morality as a Democratic domain, I think he could rock the general election.

Plus, he has good hair, a son who died, an amazingly well-spoken wife who is a breast cancer survivor, national name recognition and enviable favorables, to name a few attributes.

Maybe Edwards/Clark?


John McCain, like George Bush, doesn't care about sick children
by Ms Bluezone on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 07:11:37 AM EST
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I like Edwards alot, but he is also a big trial lawyer. He made all of his money suing doctors.

I'd still support him in the primary though. I like Edwards/Clark.


by musa on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:02:22 PM EST
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Huckabee has funny ears.

I got here late, everything else has mostly been covered.

Although I really don't think Romney will be a major factor.  He'll get covered cause people think he SHOULD be a major factor, but he'll never get going.


by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:04:23 PM EST

Giuliani has the advantage... (none / 0)

...of being able to run on a platform consisting of Amadou Diallo's corpse.

I am convinced that his numbers are based more on his reputation for taking New York back for the white people as anything connected to 9/11. He's got a proven track record of tapdancing on the Bill of Rights in order to assuage the fears of white middle class suburbanites.


by Davis X Machina on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:53:40 PM EST

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Did they even ask about Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel?

That's a bad poll. Hagel would likely kill in Western Iowa right about now.

He's a dark horse, but he's one to watch.

As I've said before, we ignore him at our peril.

phat


by phatass on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 09:45:58 PM EST


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