CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race

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I became a subscriber to Rasmussen reports yesterday in order to increase the amount of information I have available to make Senate and Governor forecasts. They may be a Republican firm, but I am already finding the information worth it. Today, I got a sneak peak at a new Connecticut poll (500 LV, 8/21, MoE 4. 8/9 numbers in parenthesis):

Lieberman: 45 (46)
Lamont: 43 (41)
Schlesinger: 6 (6)

Not much movement considering the sampling error, but even that little movement is positive. Some more good news is that when I broke down the partisan crosstabs according to statewide voter registration (PDF--44% Ind / Other, 34% Dem, 22% Rep), Lamont was actually ahead by 1.6%. Throw in what will probably be much higher Democratic turnout than Republican turnout this year, and Lamont may very well be ahead by a couple more points.

The difference between the Q-poll and the Rasmussen poll in Connecticut is found mainly with Independents / Others. While Quinnipiac had Lieberman ahead by 20 among Independents, Rasmussen has a dead heat among Independents. There is no way to know who is more accurate.

Speaking of Independents, I have a very real problem with the way that both Rasmussen and Quinnipiac are phrasing their trial heat questions. Rasmussen asks voters:
If the election for United States Senator were held today, would you vote for Independent Joseph Lieberman, Democrat Ned Lamont or Republican Alan Schlesinger?
And Qunnipiac asks:
If the 2006 election for senator were being held today and the candidates were Ned Lamont the Democrat, Alan Schlesinger the Republican, and Joseph Lieberman running as an independent candidate, for whom would you vote?
Joe Lieberman is not an Independent candidate. He is the Connecticut for Lieberman candidate. I have to believe that calling him an "Independent" when he is no such thing must be helping him among Independents in both polls. Strictly speaking, Joe Lieberman is neither a Democrat nor an Independent. There is a Democratic Party in Connecticut, but they nominated Ned Lamont. There is an Independent Party in Connecticut, but they did not nominate anyone. There is a Connecticut for Lieberman party, and that is who nominated Joe Lieberman. I'm sure that in order to win that nomination Joe Lieberman spent a lot of time in public distancing himself from, and repeating Republican talking points about, the anti-Bush faction of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party. However, Lieberman managed to win the nomination of that party anyway, and as such we should respect the will of their voters and properly label Joe Lieberman's partisan affiliation: Joe Lieberman, (Con-Lie, CT).

Update: ARG also shows the race a dead heat, 44% Lieberman, 42% Lamont, 3% Schlesinger. It also has too many Republicans, just like Rasmussen. I am liking our chances more and more.

Update 2: Just so people know, and so I don't lose the $95 I spent yesterday, I only posted the Rasumssen info after it was already in the public sphere via this diary at Dailykos. The service is really worth it, and don't expect to get all the information you want from it just through internet leaks. You can sign up for it here.



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Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (none / 0)

I've used Joe (CFL), Lieberman (Lieberman), Joe (Joe), and (Lieberman-R)...

but I think Lieberman (Con-Lie) wins.


by tparty on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:18:30 AM EST

Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Close (none / 0)

CFL only means one thing: Canadian Football League.


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by HellofaSandwich on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:46:39 AM EST
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Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (none / 0)

(Con-Lie)
    hehehehehe.....
by wes wing on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:23:29 AM EST

Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (3.00 / 1)

Chris,

new ARG has it at Lieb 44 Lamont 42

http://americanresearchgroup.com/ctsenat e/


by JAmbro on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:37:39 AM EST

Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (none / 0)

Isn't it too early to determine who is a likely voter?  Are pollsters simply doing this to postulate trend lines?  If so, wouldn't this trend lines likely be inaccurate?  If not, for what other reason?

Chris, can you tell us what the poll numbers are with RGs?


by AllenB101 on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:45:47 AM EST

If a man says he voted in the last election, (none / 0)

...then he's more likely to vote in this election than someone who says he didn't vote in the last election.


by EricJaffa on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:58:44 AM EST
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Re: If a man says he voted in the last election, (none / 0)

What about a woman?  

Also, the last statewide election in CT was 2004...Presidential elections always have a higher turnout then mid-term elections.  Thus, I currently doubt the LV polls at this point.  Heck, its August!


by AllenB101 on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 02:21:22 PM EST
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Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (none / 0)

They don't do registered voters numbers, unfortuantely.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 12:05:05 PM EST
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Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows (none / 0)

OT: Does that mean the numbers for the MO Senate race are also weighted toward the Republicans?


by bruh21 on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:50:00 AM EST

Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows (none / 0)

No, it does not mean that. I haven't checked the partisan ID on the Missouri numbers, but I expect that race will go down to the wire.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:55:22 AM EST
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tHE MOST IMPORTANT DEMOGRAPHIC (none / 0)

  Lieberman has to continue losing Democratic support in these polls.  Once it is obvious that Democrats in Connecticut support Lemont, the race Definately becomes Democratic vs. Republican sponsored candidate.  And all gloves should come off and Joe addressed as what he truly is:  Joe Lieberman, Republican candidate for Senator from Connecticut.


by ocdemocrat on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 01:27:16 PM EST

Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (none / 0)

John Mertens is the Independent candidate.

http://www.mertens2006.com/jm2006/


by jayackroyd on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 01:39:49 PM EST

"Con-Lie" (I love it!) (none / 0)

I really do love it.  Best laugh I've had in days.


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by quixote on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 02:11:53 PM EST

Whaddaya mean, ARG has too many Republicans?? (none / 0)

Update: ARG also shows the race a dead heat, 44% Lieberman, 42% Lamont, 3% Schlesinger. It also has too many Republicans, just like Rasmussen.

Here are the October 2005 CT registration numbers by party:

Democratic 653,055
Republican 427,803
Unaffiliated 867,761
Other 4,029

That translates into 22% GOP, 33% Dem, and 44% Unaffiliated.  ARG had 24-33-43.  BFD.


by RT on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 02:29:52 PM EST

ARG always breaks it down by statewide trends (none / 0)

They are the best in the country at that. In 2004 their statewide polls were perfectly in line with the most recent partisan breakdown of the individual states.

However, they generally had a lousy year in 2004. While other national polls had detected the party ID shift toward the GOP after 9/11, ARG stuck with the previous models and got burned by that. Their October 30, 2004 final national poll had Kerry leading Bush 49-48. But they were relying on a breakdown of 40% Democrats, 35% Republicans. Meanwhile, the national exit poll indicated the party ID was 37-37.

This year ARG has had very few polls, only Vermont and now this Connecticut senate race.

Terrific news for Lamont if he pulls this close with Schlesinger stuck in the meager numbers. Lamont is pulling a higher percentage from the GOP than I expected.

Quinnipiac has a superior wording, listing Lieberman third and saying Lieberman running as an independent, as opposed to placing Lieberman first and identifying him as an independent before the name. You would think the Rasmussen wording and positioning would be more favorable to Lieberman among indies, but he runs much worse than in the Q poll. I'd like to see a major poll of independents only, which wouldn't necessarily be bizarre since they are the plurality in Connecticut.


by jagakid on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 03:39:00 PM EST
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Re: CT-Sen: New Rasmussen Poll Shows Closer Race (none / 0)

Chris, your critique of the wording is so right on!


by Phonatic on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 03:30:41 AM EST


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