McMahon, Squier & Associates Produced the Burner Ad

Ok, this is interesting.  Darcy Burner's bio spot I criticized this morning was produced by McMahon, Squier & Associates (via the subscription only Hotline), the people who brought you Howard Dean's 2004 TV spots that generated so much goodwill with everyone.

The firm is run by all around nice guy and progressive champion Steve McMahon.  Aside from working for progressive powerhouses know as the tobacco and the pharmaceutical industries, McMahon made a a great impression on Markos and Jerome when they worked for Dean.  I wonder what this super-advertising maven did to charm the guys who wrote Crashing the Gates.

In my four years in politics, I haven't met a bigger asshole, a more unsavory character than McMahon. When we met, his first words out of his mouth were literally, "If you get us more clients, we'll give you guys a percentage." No "hello", or "nice to meet you", or "Nice day, huh?" No, it was, "If you get us more clients, we'll give you guys a percentage." No person was more excited at the money raised by the Dean campaign than him -- not because he believed in Dean or the cause, but because he saw dollar signs from the percentages he was pocketting by handling Dean's media.

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For example, McMahon worked on independent expenditure ads on behalf of JEB BUSH in 2002 (bashing Democratic candidate Bill McBride) at the same time he was gearing up his work for Howard Dean's presidential bid.

When I talk about consultants who are in the business to make money and could care less about winning or the cause or the movement, McMahon is Exhibit A. All hesitations I've ever had about Dean stem from the fact that he continues to associate himself closely with this guy -- a man so unprincipled that he has worked for big pharma against progressive principles and on behalf of Jeb Bush.

It's obvious that Darcy Burner is a great candidate who feels passionately about Iraq.  Just listen to this excellent podcast from Doublespeak.  She's articulate, powerful, intelligent, and progressive.  She knows the politics, she has a great story, and will be a fantastic Congresswoman.  I'm really blown away by her commitment to public service and her authenticity as a communicator.  She's running for Congress because of her three year old son, and she wants Congresspeople who are willing to ask the hard questions.

And yet, Steve McMahon's firm has produced a horrible ad that is out of sync with the incredible raw material they have to work with.  The conflicts of interest in his work with corporate and GOP clients are obvious, and explain the 'affordable health care' bland messaging.  

What the hell is going on?  Who recommended that she work with this firm?  She's a first time candidate whose career has been spent at Microsoft, so it's not like she knows these people.  Someone got her to hire this firm.  Who was it?  And just what is going on?  An introductory bio spot that doesn't say she is a DEMOCRAT in a district that John Kerry WON?  Unbelievable.



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Holy shit! (none / 0)

That's quite a find.  I suppose it is unsurprising, but it is very disappointing.

What I really don't understand is why Burner's campaign can't find someone a little more local with some understanding of 8th District demographics to produce the ads.  


by taylormattd on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 03:53:54 PM EST

There are other more important races (none / 0)

The Cantwell re-election is not a lock, there's Jon Tester's campaign (yes, Seattle is the closest major city to Western MT), and there are some important ballot initatives. So the state sort of has its hands full.


by niq on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:17:36 PM EST
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Your criticism is unfair, Matt (none / 0)

I disagree. I've posted my take here:
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2006 /08/matt-stoller-unfairly-criticizes.htm l
by MountOlympus on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 12:30:54 AM EST
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McMahon, Squier & Republican Associates (none / 0)

This ad subliminally says that Darcy is a looser. It projects an image of weakness and lack of confidence. It paints her as lacking creativity and ideas. It lacks energy. It makes her look like the nice lady next door who had nothing else to do so she tried politics. It damns her with faint praise.

I get the strong feeling that the people who made the ad want Darcy to loose.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 09:50:11 AM EST
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Re: There are other more important races (none / 0)

I see so little talk of "there are other races, Cantwell is not a lock...". That doesn't mean that Darcy had to be stuck with this blandness that says nothing good about her at all. AND, please, let's start saying that Maria Cantwell's opponent is HONG TRAN (that's a shout from the rooftops here in Clallam County). Talk about lack of good publicity - oh dear, oh dear. Lack of funds will do that to a superb candidate.


by MarchDancer on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 01:36:23 AM EST
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Re: Holy shit! (none / 0)

Actually, as someone in the 8th, I believe the ad is very well taylored to the district and introduces Darcy Burner as a candidate and a name too few people have heard in a positive light.

This will not be her only ad.  Future ads will address specific issues and certainly be more aggressive.  But for a first ad I like the way Darcy is portrayed and I think the ad effectively speaks to the voters who will be on the fence in November.


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by Daniel K on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 03:06:29 AM EST
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Holy shit! It's a Republican Ad! (none / 0)

Markos wrote the very description of a Republican: "When we met, his first words out of his mouth were literally, "If you get us more clients, we'll give you guys a percentage." No "hello", or "nice to meet you", or "Nice day, huh?" No, it was, "If you get us more clients, we'll give you guys a percentage." No person was more excited at the money..." The name to describe this guy is not asshole, it's Republican.  This guy loves Bush's tax cuts to the rich. The only thing this guy wants from Democrats is their money.

Democrats are fools to hire a Republican to do their advertising.

"Assertive, not aggressive" is what Darcy needs to project in her ad.  A positive intro ad needs to convey a message of vitality. Is this ad vital and interesting or does it recycle overused '90's themes that got the Dems into minority status? I say this ad has the vitality of a fish that has been lying on deck in the hot sun for four hours.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:46:10 AM EST
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Re: Holy shit! It's a Republican Ad! (none / 0)

I say you're wrong.


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by Daniel K on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:02:55 AM EST
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Re: Holy shit! It's a Republican Ad! (none / 0)

And President Dean has turned the country around.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:42:17 AM EST
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You have to understand the district (none / 0)

Not that I think it's a great ad, but just because it's a district that Kerry won doesn't mean that it's full of Democrats.  The Eastside of King County is very independent-minded and lacks strong partisan affiliations.  In fact, if there are strong partisan affiliations there, they are way more likely to be Republicans.  (Trust me, I've done a lot of phone banking here.)  The reason Kerry won the 8th is because voters were disillusioned with Bush himself, not with the entire Republican brand, which is why Republican gubernatorial candidate Dino Rossi won big here.

I'm sure Tom McMahon is a sellout, but I don't think the fact that Darcy's ad doesn't identify her as a Democrat is "unbelievable."


by lorax on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 03:55:56 PM EST

Re: You have to understand the district (none / 0)

Steve, not Tom.  Tom's a good guy at the DNC.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:02:54 PM EST
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apologies to Tom (none / 0)


by lorax on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:46:57 PM EST
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Are we back to the Bloomberg Democrats? (none / 0)

So why does Dean "associate closely" with McMahon? And does DNC recommend McMahon to people like Burner? I always found this Steve Clemons quote an (inadvertantly) interesting possible explanation for how these people keep getting rehired despite serial failure:
After Kerry's failure, I sat next to a big-time fundraiser for the Dems on a plane to Chicago who said that "the only person who ought not to be fired and barred from the next several presidential campaigns is Elmendorf."
Elmendorf, who was one of the people responsible for the non-response to the swift-boating attack, and who subsequently went into partnership with Abramoff's bag man in the RNC. See here for more.
by Taylor26 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 03:57:08 PM EST

I thought there was something familiar about this (none / 0)

This might also explain her wooden and awkward appearance. Contrast her end "I approve this message" and the lifeless stilted "so do we" response behind her with the original exciting, authentic Lamont ads.

Dean also looked stilted and unnatural in some of his TV spots if I recall. Some of it may have been him, or the wrestlers neck, but I have a feeling a lot of it may have been poor ad work and the inability (or lack of desire?) to pick up on problems with the ad spot by McMahon.

This is getting very interesting, very quickly. Do we have a shot at finally taking down this guy and his minions that have played such a large part in creating a losing and loser Democratic Party?


by adamterando on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 03:57:41 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

I don't agree that it's a good idea to come out with Democrat right out of the gate.

First of all, Kerry won 51% of the vote. Any campaign that just goes after those 51% is doomed to failure.

Secondly, all the polling I've seen show that the Democratic leadership isn't much more highly regarded than the Republican leadership. Americans are sick of incumbents and Washington and want to turn to new leadership. They aren't sick of Republicans and want to turn to Democrats.

It's a slight but crucial distinction. Being angry with the Republican leadership does not equal wanting to turn to the Democrats. The smart way to navigate this, frankly, is branding your opponent as part of the failed Republican leadership without calling yourself a Democrat. If Burner calls herself a Democrat is her opening ad she brands herself as a partisan, political figure, exactly the wrong branding in an anti-incumbent, anti-Washington year. Look at the initial wave of your poll. Independents still think Democrats are corrupt, and only half think that the Democrats are most likely to hold Bush accountable for Iraq.

The proper message is that we need to hold the current leadership accountable by bringing in new voices. Telling voters they need to switch one team on politicians for another just isn't going to resonate very well.

The fact that she hasn't brought up Iraq yet is bad, but it is just the intro ad.

That said, it is a dreadful ad, in the mushy language and poor style. And why in God's name is it 60 seconds long. That's just flushing money down the toilet to put people to sleep.


by dantheman on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:09:19 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

they will know she is a member of one party or another so I dont really understand why saying which paryt is a problem


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:45:51 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

The question is what do you want people to associate with her when they think of her.

Darcy Burner, Successful Microsoft Exec?
Darcy Bruner, New Voice for Washington?
Or Darcy Bruner, Democrat?

I'd argue that Democrat is one of the worst choices on that list. Sure, somewhere in the back of their minds they'll know she's a Democrat, but it won't be the first association, or the one that makes their decision for them.


by dantheman on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:18:04 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier (none / 0)

its not either or, and your thought process reps why the party brand is so weak. essentially your argument is 'be a shamed of your brand' and with that attitude- l ike there is something to run away from, then of course peo will pick up on that too like you would if you met someone with a low sense of self image


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:55:43 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier (none / 0)

The party's brand isn't so hot right now.  People still don't know what Democrats stand for and that's mostly because Democrats don't have (perhaps shouldn't have) a unifying platform.  So to be known as "the Democrat" is something, sure, but it isn't everything.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 06:50:40 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier (none / 0)

how do you think it will happen?


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 08:25:46 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier (none / 0)

I think it's possible to be partisan and anti-Republican/pro-accountability without just saying "I'm a Democrat, that's what makes me a good candidate."  Ultimately, I think a lasting Democrat majority will come from candidates winning because of their merits over their party ID.  People don't particularly trust Democrats right now as the MyDD poll showed- they're more interested in someone, ANYONE, who will stand up to Bush and push some legitimate governance.  I don't think Dems inherently have any sort of leg to stand on there and so you're gonna have better luck with personal connection.  Say what you want about the "he's like me" crap that got Bush elected last time (or at least helped), but the same sort of thing applies.

The average voter knows that they don't know everything about these issues and they don't want to.  What voters want is to elect someone who, since they have the time and inclination, will come to the same conclusions that the voter would given the same time and inclination.  Candidates who work that angle and present themselves as a citizen legislator, the same person you probably see at the PTA meeting or in line at the grocery store, just with a much bigger interest in politics, is gonna be more successful I think than someone who thinks that being a Democrat is the ticket.

This ad is hardly flawless.  There should be some mention of her being a Democrat for example.  But I don't think that JUST hammering partisanship and Iraq and anti-Bush is good enough.  It should be part, and I'd presume Burner isn't done, but it can't be an entire strategy.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:48:24 AM EST
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Um, calm down? (3.00 / 1)

[I live in WA-7 and have worked for a candidate in WA-8].

First of all, the district profile is a very odd mix. It includes some of the wealthiest suburbs in the country, where Bill Gates owns a house, other well-off suburban in Microsoft's orbit, plus working-class areas to the south.

Second of all, the economy is actually doing pretty well here. Boeing has been very successful lately, so a lot of folks are pretty happy, particularly in this district that has lots of Boeing employees. To wit, approval of Bush is relatively high for a Blue State.

Third, Congressman Reichert is Famous, for a reason that it's basically impossible not to like him; catching the Green River Killer and getting a confession.

Fourth, as in much of the Northeast, Democratic presidential preference has yet to turn into down-ballot support; upper-middle class Bellevue, WA, which voted for Kerry 54-46, has a city council made up only of Republicans (though most are pro-choice).

Fifth, it's early; I'm sure the offensive firepower will come later, and since she was one of the first targeted races, she'll get plenty of anti-Iraq war ads later on.

All of this leads to several different potential strategies for the Burner campaign. Judging by the ad, the goal is to emphasize that Burner knows what problems face people who work for a living and eat into Reichert's "just a regular guy" appeal. Conveniently, this effect will be strongest among working class voters, who are most likely to get their news from local & nat'l TV rather than the internet or newspapers. You can still reach the Bill Bradley Plus coalition through other media.

I don't recall a lot of grousing when Paul Hackett ran ads touting his military service and "independence". In a district that's not quite 60% Democratic -- at the Presidential election, which means there are lots of "I'm a Republican; I just don't like Bush" voters -- I wouldn't tout my party ID either; or at the least I'd say "I'm a Democrat, but I'm interested in solving problems more than attacking Republicans".


by niq on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:14:32 PM EST

Re: Um, calm down? (none / 0)

Do you think the ad was memorable? If you weren't inclined to be political, and left leaning already, would you remember her?

I know people keep saying this is part of a series- but that presupposes peo will remember this ad. It seems like a waste to me to create a non memorable ad with limited resources under the fale assumption that people will remember it when one does future ads.

There is also a kind of groupthink about the idea.

For multiple ads to work (and I am going to use language I know) I would expect there to be some high concept that ties them together other than the fact it has her name on it. In film, which is what I know better, when one is trying to tell a story without being on the nose, there are many ways to do this. To create a sense of reality through the illusion of reality. Others have given good examples of memorable ads- the cigarette ads, the knome ad, the example I gave in a diary yesterday of the Daisy Ad from the 60s. In each case, one wants to tell a story that emotionally connects with the listener. Someone else gave the example - and rightly so- of Spitzers ad in NYC. They are all fluff and easy too,b ut they do their job in a memorable emotionally satisfying way.

I think if one steps back from Matt's discussion of Iraq and Democrat versus not saying these things, the emotional connection angle is the most important thing missing (at least to me) because the ads are forgettable. to me that's the test- does the ad set a mood for the audience to remember it by? Does it give someone something other than what a political  junkie would like to see and hear. Wasn't it Murray who ran the tennis shoe ad across the state back int he 90s?


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:55:03 PM EST
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'Daisy' a good example (none / 0)

'Daisy' is surely like the sort of ads we see for cars and perfume: strictly one spot, one idea; no laundry list of features or performance, but rather the association (fanciful or otherwise) of desirable ends (avoidance of Argmageddon or wealth, glamor and sex) with the product.

Show, not tell.

If the ad works, the viewer feels warmer and more familiar with the product - more responsive to the possibility of buying, but with the actual selling of the product left to the shop or whatever to do.

The Burner ad sets out to do the impossible - a sort of video brochure - and fails to do the possible: to get the voters of WA-8 to warm to the notion of voting for her.


by skeptic06 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:25:00 PM EST
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Re: 'Daisy' a good example (none / 0)

Daisy ran once -- it wasn't an ad to introduce but to earn media.


by Bob Brigham on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:34:40 PM EST
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Re: 'Daisy' a good example (none / 0)

thats irrelevant to the point of impact that it had because we are still discussing it. can you see anyone discussing this ad that was ran in WA outside of political junkies such as here?


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:57:54 PM EST
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Agreed (none / 0)

although i don't think i've ever heard the phrase "middle-class" used in any way to describe Bellevue (I live in WA-9).


by lorax on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:35:50 PM EST
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Oops (none / 0)

I think I meant to write "upper-middle-class"


by niq on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 06:29:36 PM EST
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Come on (none / 0)

Darcy should be listening to out-of-state bloggers with no knowledge of the district she's running in for advice.

All self-styled blogoconsultants at the national level know that every Democrat should be running a one-note anti-Bush campaign with no regard for the make-up of their district or their opponent.


by aexia on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:41:45 PM EST
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Re: Come on (none / 0)

yes because humans are so different in that district that common sense ideas of whether an ad works or not is impossible to know unless one is specifically there. i mean how do peo ever sell products to peo specifically living in that district without ever having been in that district. it must be a miralous occurence that only happens due to some sort of magic. and yes, the ad is wonderful because although bland and standard non descriptive fare that will not help voters in her district remember who she is - it still somehow represents what is unique about the district. it's one thing to argue that she should maybe shouldn't run on Iraq when intro'ing herself in her first ad, but its another thing to watch some of you go in the opposite extreme to not admit the ad is bland, and therefore isn't as helpful as the ad can be. as someone else mentioend if you want to see an emotional, effective ad campaign check out those by Elliot spizer of ny


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 06:01:46 PM EST
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Re: Come on (none / 0)

Because the demographics of the liberal blogosphere are identical to the demographics of a Republican held swing district.

If this were a candidate in the 7th CD/Seattle, you and Matt might have a point.

But like a lot of people(including many actually IN the 7th CD), you make the mistake of presuming all of Washington State is like the 7th CD. Except for the relatively small activist bases, no one in this state self-identifies with a party, even if they vote a straight ticket every year.

Identifying with ANY party straight away is an immediate turnoff with many voters. Hell, they're still pissed at the parties for doing away with the open primary.

And the 8th CD embodies all of these characteristics more than any other district in the state.


by aexia on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 09:04:40 PM EST
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Re: Um, calm down? (none / 0)

What? 34% that's high? That's 1/3 of the electorate!

2/3's disapprove. A hard hitting ad campaign that talks about the failures of the Bush administration is speaking directly to 2/3 of Washington's people.

The remaining 1/3 die-hard-sink-with-the-ship Bush supporters can bet discounted. They exist basically everywhere around the country. That's why Bush's polls can't really fall much more unless he goes on national TV molesting a goat. He's basically hit rock-bottom with the 1/3 of America that's totally delusional.

The rest of us want change. And any candidate who expects to win must firmly and endlessly repeat that.

"I stand for real change. We're going to pull our troops out of Iraq. We're going to spend our money at home instead of pouring $1/2 a trillion down a rat-hole overseas."

If pundits attack you for "cut and run" politics, meet it head on! Make it part of your ads. Have the first 10 seconds be "people say I want to 'cut and run' I say Bush is wrong when he says he intends to keep our troops in Iraq until January 2009. My opponent supports him. If elected I will demand accountability from our leaders."

This is the year to stand for something and let the chips fall. Where Democrats fail is by triangulating and standing for mush. Nobody wants weak. If you want to pull the troops out, say so and don't back-down or appologize. Accuse your opponent of being for a bankrupt policy. Say, we're not winning, so what are we gaining by staying the course?

Your opponent won't hesitate to make your views the focus of attacks, so get out front and be strong on your views. That people will respect -- as John Tester and Lamont are proving daily.

And for God's sake drop the useless fluff pieces like this pitiful ad!

In the current context of disastrous war and Kartina and endless government failure, it sounds as out of reality as the Iraqi propaganda minister's broadcasts shortly before the fall of Bagdhad.


by Cugel on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 02:04:02 PM EST
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Well, a great deal has changed since Dean's ads (none / 0)

And I think you do a good job at pointing out that, despite what we liked about the ads back then, we're smarter now and this is what we know about these kinds of ads--and the people who make them--right now.  That's a very big distinction and it's crystal clear in this post.

One other topic that hasn't been mentioned is the connection between a 'lets-go-slow-get-to-know-ya' approach of the Burner ad, and the 'I'll give you a cut' attitude of the firm producing the ad.

Why not go for broke on the first ad?  Why not front the big issues and the passion right away?  OK...on some level, maybe because there is concern over the district not liking it.  But I have trouble believing that there is a district in this country where people are thinking, "Yeah...the  Iraq war.  I'm still not sure what to make of that."  Or: "President Bush...I still  haven't made up my mind. Let's wait one more year before we judge hiim."  These decisions have been made in every district.  

Particularly in light of the quote from the CTG, I see the first-gear quality of the ad in question could very well be a product of the concern of the producers to keep billing as long as possible. I can almost hear the pitching, "Don't worry, this is just the first ad.  We've got one more get-to-know-you ad lined up and then it's into the these-are-my-position approach for three ads and then onto a big finish with two I-am-passionate ads.   Now, how's the fundraising going?"

On a different note: I see McMahon all the time as 'the Democrat' in the chair on TV.  He's terrible.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:14:57 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

i think its an overreaction. its the first ad, its an intro ad.  but yea, its too long


by yomoma2424 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:22:40 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

peo keeping make your argument- I dont understand it so maybe you can explain it to me. Are you assuming that  there is something to ahving multiple ads that will maket he first one memorable?


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:58:10 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

no but people if they dont know who you are at all they wont be listening to sharp charges you make later. theyll be like who was that ?


by yomoma2424 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:04:02 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier (none / 0)

those aren't the only options available. you shape this as either door a or door b. the point is that there are multiple door. I am not even saying I agree  100 percent with the substance of Matt's diary,b ut I frankly dont have any idea stylistically what argument you are making with "its okay, but people will remember it when she does her other future ads." that's not how ads work or story telling.


by bruh21 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:15:27 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

Yikes.  I hope Burner can get out of her contract with these guys...


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by HellofaSandwich on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:23:25 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

LOL!

Those Jeb Bush ads attacking Bill McBride were widely credited with actually helping McBride defeat Janet Reno in the Democraric primary that year.

Of course, the strategery was the brain child of GOP uber consultant, Mike Murphy -- not McMahon.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:24:37 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

Don't ya just love how Republicans pick which Democrats they want to run against and Dem primary voters too often happily oblige them?


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:47:02 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier & Associates (none / 0)

IN that case, Jeb wanted to run against J-Reno. Nt McBride.

McBride lost that election for two  reasons.

1) His debate performances sucked.

2) The Dems couldn't counter the superior GOP GOTV operation.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:06:54 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier (none / 0)

IN that case, Jeb wanted to run against J-Reno. Nt McBride

Republicans aren't usually that stupid about political chicanery. I suspect Jeb wanted to run against the inexperienced McBride and ran ads against him before the Dem primary in order to create a backlash in his favor.

There are also a lot of Dems out there who are easily manipulated by basing their support and votes on who they are led to think Republicans are afraid of -- or want to run against.

Remember Rove openly saying to a reporter that he wanted Bush to run against Dean? A lot of Democrats fell for that one and began thinking twice about Dean. But they never bothered to wonder why Rove would ever tell the truth to Democrats about anything.

My rule is to pay no attention at all to those who wish me ill.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:36:26 PM EST
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Burner Ad (none / 0)

A bit off topic, but Lieberschnitzel's registration as a Democrat in CT is being challenged-

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archi ves/2006/08/city_asked_to_u.php


by global yokel on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:31:21 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & (3.00 / 1)

Dean's ads were the worst I ever saw. Only in the Democratic party is incompetence (if not treason) rewarded with more clients.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:34:23 PM EST

Re: McMahon, Squier & (none / 0)

The opposite of the GOP.

The GOP frequently rewards incompetence and treason with bigger and better Gvt jobs.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:07:53 PM EST
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Re: McMahon, Squier & (none / 0)

And presidential medals of freedom.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:37:14 PM EST
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The companies who make ads.... (none / 0)

...should be told they will be paid one amount if the candidate loses, and twice that if the candidate wins.

Then greed will be an incentive instead of a problem.


by EricJaffa on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 04:36:08 PM EST

Why recommended? (none / 0)

If she's getting money from Washington, DC, they are telling her who to go with...

Or else they won't give her any cash...

That's how it works.


by Nazgul35 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:01:45 PM EST

Burner's podcast... (none / 0)

...isn't too bad.

She sounds rather nervous to start with (with what sounded like one or two bleeding chunks from her stump speech shoehorned in); there were one or two awkward beats (that could either have been her or her nerdy interviewer); but she certainly warmed up towards the end, even to the point of working with Nerdy Guy's attempt at humor.

I think a reasonably open-minded independent listening to the interview would have got an impression of a pol they'd want to hear more from.

(Which is more than could be said of the media appearances of 'Speaker' Pelosi, to name but one unimpressive Congressional Dem graybeard.)

As other folks have said, there certainly seems to be the raw material for much better ads than the one on Youtube...


by skeptic06 on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 05:05:10 PM EST

Video of Burner Addressing the DNC (none / 0)

The video of Darcy addressing the DNC on another MyDD post shows Darcy as she warms up to a good talk.  Take a look.  She's a good speaker with a great message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R81j3LjrT Jc


We can do better. Together we will.
by lynnallen on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:14 PM EST
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Why no "Democrat?" (3.00 / 0)

Doesn't anybody go to the source? I e-mailed Darcy and asked her why the words "Democrat" or "Democratic Party" weren't in the ad, and she replied that it was part of the strategy; that this was to introduce her as a person first.

Having phone banked already on her behalf, I can tell you that her name recognition needs some work, as might be expected for a first-time candidate.

Darcy assured me that subsequent ads would emphasize her party affiliation, and was glad that I was paying attention.

We should continue to pay such attention, and should not hesitate to pressure Democrats who leave their party affiliation off their ads.


"Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835
by ivan on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 06:21:18 PM EST

Second That (3.00 / 0)

I doorbelled for Darcy three weeks ago, before that ad came out.  Not a single person in the lower middle class neighborhood I talked with had heard of her.  She needs an introduction similar to this ad.  Some quibbles with the particular ad but not the focus.  


We can do better. Together we will.
by lynnallen on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 08:52:42 PM EST
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Re: Why no "Democrat?" (none / 0)


she replied that it was part of the strategy; that this was to introduce her as a person first.


I can buy that.  I also get the feeling  that part of the strategy was to focus on women voters who might be dissatisfied with the way things are going but in a very general way.

I don't think that there is anything necessarily wrong with a long get-to-know-me ad aimed at women and with no mention of party.  That may make a lot of sense. 

But it seems to me that the big problem here are the very low production values.  It hardly seems like a video production at all.  Something a student intern would turn out.  I think that perhaps someone thought that its lack of polish would somehow reinforce her just-folks message, but in fact such a low key message needs more production value not less.

 


by Fred in Vermont on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 11:03:25 PM EST
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Re: Why no "Democrat?" (none / 0)

She needs a new strategist then.

If Democrats don't define what Democrats are then Republicans will.


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by FishOutofWater on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:19:52 AM EST
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yeah it is boring but give the candidate a break. (3.00 / 0)

It's easy to pick apart these things from afar. A first time candidate for office, who is running for Congress, usually does not have a lot of people around them who can help them navigate the variosu decisions they need to make. Choosing a consultant is just one of them.

Having lived in Seattle for 7 years and worked on camapigns in primarily non-Seattle parts of the state, and who had relatives living (and who still live) in the 8th, I can say that this district just a few years ago was hardcore GOP. The fact that Kerry did as well as he did was a surprise to me, but a sign of changing demographics.

That said, Darcy will need more sophistcated stuff if she's going to cut through the clutter of the World Series, the fall TV schedule, back to school coupons, and the like. Esp. with people who in many places skew towards high-income, high education and won't pay attention to standard ol' stuff.


by Schadelmann on Mon Aug 21, 2006 at 07:32:50 PM EST

The ad's garbage (none / 0)

but all 30 or 60 ads are bad, we can't run self-government on 30 and 60 second ads, it's destroying our democracy!

Governor Dean's recommending of Mr. McMahon says more(or less) about Governor Dean then it does Steve McMahon.


by brutus1 on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 04:00:00 AM EST

RonK way back in this thread (none / 0)

was dead-on right. I live in Seattle, and understand why the ad was done the way it was. The incumbent is a very popular law-and-order Republican who has shown in a few cases that he is not in lock-step with the president.

Banning Ron for even a moment was insensitive and disrespectful to the people in WA-8 who may have some unique insight into the efficacy of this ad.

A cookie-cutter/one-size-fits-all approach to criticizing political ads is inappropriate. What makes sense in a Boston or New York political ad may not make sense in wealthy suburbs of Seattle.

As others have said - please respect context. Thanks. I thought the ad was awesome as did many others in our district.


by timraines on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 11:21:33 AM EST

Washington state voters (none / 0)

have a peculiar sense of being independent (at least it felt that way when I moved here sixteen years ago.) The "blanket" primary, while a thing of the past now, was emblamatic of that sense of independence.

I don't think the ad is particularly awful in a state that elected the "mom in tennis shoes." That warm fuzzy stuff worked well for Murray and it should for Burner as well.

That being said, I'm seriously concerned that the Burner campaign has hired an outfit like McMahon's, and I don't really care if Howard Dean said to or not. Why should I send my money straight to Steve McMahon? The lesson I learned in 2004 (thanks to the Kerry/Shrum team) was save your money if this is what happens.

Sorry to be so harsh, but I fail to understand why I should make another donation to Burner. Maybe the Goldmark (WA-05) campaign will hire a Washington state media firm with some, um, moxie?


by jondevore on Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 02:15:05 PM EST


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