Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half

Unlike many people, I am actually quite relieved by the new Q-poll on Connecticut. The three-way trend lines look good: (1,319 RVs, MoE 2.7, 8/10-8/14, July 13-18 numbers in parenthesis)

Lieberman: 49 (51)
Lamont: 38 (27)
Schlesinger: 4 (9)

It is too early to look at the likely voter pool, but with turnout expected to be very high here in November, that is pretty much the same thing. Personally, considering the primary results and the vicious anti-Lamont narratives in the media, I thought that Lamont would still be behind by about 20-25 points. As such, I had been panicking to a few people behind the scenes earlier in the week that this poll could spell serious trouble. However, these numbers make me quite relieved as they still show a positive trendline. Lieberman's entire lead is based on Republican votes:
Lieberman leads 75%-13%-10% among likely Republican voters, and 58%-36%-3% among likely independent voters, while likely Democratic voters back Lamont 63%-35%. Just 2% are undecided, but 28% of those who name a candidate might change their mind before Election Day.
It will be very doable for Lamont to make up a lot of ground among Democrats and Independents between now and Election Day. Even with Lieberman as the de facto Republican nominee, it also seems quite reasonable for Schlesinger to receive a little more than 4%.

That Lieberman receives three quarters of the Republican vote in Connecticut will be his undoing. Republican voters in Connecticut know perfectly well that Lieberman has no intention of standing up to President Bush on anything, and that is why they like him. Over time, this will cause his continued collapse among Democrats and Independents, who desperately want someone to stop the country form going in the same direction George Bush has taken it. Already, Lieberman has lost 26 points among Democrats, and 10 points among Independents since the last three-way Q-poll. That trend will only continue, especially if Democrats do the right thing and strip Lieberman of his seniority. With Schlesinger bound to cut into Lieberman's newfound Republican base, Lieberman has nowhere to go but down.



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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (2.00 / 2)

Definitely agree here with Chris. Seniority to Lieberman is to the Democratic party what, to the people of France, a guillotine repairman to Robespierre. The Democratic party under Reid has show amazing signs of recovery - the backbone transplant the good doctor is attempting seems to be holding well. For us, as a country, to have an energized party that captures the imagination of not only people who are happy to play with the has-been , used-up labels of liberalism that were so popular in the sixties and seventies (with repletion as far as their own styles of dress and music ) - but also that vast salten sea of those voters in places like Indiana, Georgia, Florida, and yes even Texas.

Think for a minute - about that. A democratic texas. Wow. It makes me happy to think about it.


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by heyAnita on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 09:44:38 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Now we just have to fight the narrative that because Liebermann has a lead at all, he's not a spoiler.


by wilder on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 09:45:48 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Keep in mind that Lie-berman had at one time a 25+ point lead over Ned in the primary. All politics are local Ned has been getting a lot of exposure and is a great compaigner. He also has a better organization. As mat says he can only go Up from hear.


by eddieb on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:13:57 AM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Sorry, I meant Chris not mat. Geesh! And here instead of hear. Got to get another cug of jave in my system


by eddieb on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:18:39 AM EST
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So what can we do... (none / 0)

...besides send money to help the Lamont campaign get the message about? Should we just hammer home that the Dems are uniting behind Lamont? That Lieberman is the de-facto R candidate?


by MNPundit on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 09:57:17 AM EST

Which poll was the 6 point difference? (none / 0)

Wasnt there a poll right after the primary where Liebs was leading only by 6 points in a 3 way race?


by Pravin on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:07:04 AM EST

Re: Which poll was the 6 point difference? (none / 0)

That was a different polling ifrm, Rasmussen. Generally speaking, trendlines are only usful within polling firms.
by Chris Bowers on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:10:15 AM EST
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Chris (none / 0)

Your response to this poll is counterintuitive and very analytical and not the way it will be broadly interpreted by the media and fencesitters.  Josh Marshall's concern is more normal. I surely hope you are right.  But let's look at it another way.

The thing about this poll as well as the Rasmussen poll is that they both reenforce the the notion that Lieberman could win,  therefore the Democratic caucus in the Senate has to be careful with him. No one is hitting him hard "Joe is a good man  blah blah, but I am supporting Ned Lamont"  The question is how much and how ardently they support Ned Lamont.  The harshest note except for Kerry and Feingold ( to be expected) was Bill Clinton's mild mannered reproach about sounding like a Repub. on terror. (He's doing that to help Hillary)

This poll makes it unlikely they will strip Lieberman of his seniority because they don't want to alienate him if he wins.

The media will step back from their treatment of Joe as toast, Chris Matthews should be a good sign on this as he initially thought Joe was toast. Watch what he says tonite as a media indiactor

I agree with Marshall, that when Ned  didn't demand that Joe withdraw in his victory speech, then went on vacaton after the primary while Joe flooded the airwaves and the Rasmussen poll came out, it created a loss in momentum... so we are behind now when we shouldn't be.

The good poll numbers could also keep Democratic help from arriving as well in terms of Dem electeds campaigning for him and enlarging his donor pool.  

People have to put pressure on high profile Dems  who want to run for President like Biden, Bayh, Richardson, Warner, and Boxer and Sam Cleland and of course Hillary and Bill to come through for Ned in terms of both their prescence on the campaign trail sooner rather than later and to try to him help raise more money which is also a sign of support that the media will tout.

We can't assume the normal dynamics will obtain now, things have to be pushed harder to make what should have occurred naturally happen, happen now.


by debcoop on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 01:11:02 PM EST
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Re: Chris (none / 0)

Kerry is putting his supporters behind Lamont- directly asking for financial help to the Lamont campaign. He has a diary up on the recommend list over at D Kos right now.


by bruh21 on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:44:18 PM EST
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Re: Chris (none / 0)

Good reply - this report by Chris IS counterintuitive. Especially given the large percentage of Independents, people are really putting too much faith in "the party" here. An example, again - because I have mentioned this before - is Arnold Schwarzenegger. The fact that most Californians vote democratic has VIRTUALLY NO impact on whether Schwarzenegger gets elected. So why should these number swing, if Lieberman is a comfortable choice for those who did not vote in the primary, but will vote in the general AND those who voted for Lieberman in the primary? I hope I'm wrong, but Lamont needs to work hard to change the votes, in my opinion
by jc on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 04:02:29 PM EST
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Re: Chris (none / 0)

This is actually a good poll for us.

Not only has Lamont gained 13 points in one month (with 2 and a half months to go and only 11 points to make up), but the dynamics work completely in our favor. Here's why:

1) Lieberman's support comes from Republicans.

The Republican candidate only gets 4% in the poll which means that Lieberman can't gain any more support from him. Lieberman already leads among independents and gets about a third among Democrats.

THAT MEANS THIS IS THE BEST HE WILL EVER DO!

2) All Lamont has to do is increase his support from Democrats and independents.

We need to hold a unity dinner or something. Imagine Bill and Hillary Clinton, along with Shumer, Kerry, and other big name Democrats, not to mention high profile Conneticut Democrats all having some type of event for Lamont. This may start the process.

3) We need to lable Lieberman as the de facto Republican candidate.

So all those strategies we will apply to incumbant Republicans across the nation - has to be applied to Lieberman. We have to tie Lieberman to Bush in every concievable way.

A VOTE FOR LIEBERMAN IS A VOTE FOR BUSH'S FAILED POLICIES.

VOTE FOR A DEMOCRATIC SENATE, VOTE FOR LAMONT.

DON'T GIVE BUSH ANOTHER BLANK CHECK, VOTE FOR LAMONT!

Etc., etc., etc.

4) Our trump card is the war.

About 80% of Democrats in Conneticut oppose the war in Iraq. About 70% of independents oppose the war in Iraq. Lamont clearly opposes the war. Lieberman and Bush clearly support the war.

THIS SHOULD BE THE MAIN ISSUE OF THE CAMPAIGN. If it is, we will win. Because we need to convince only 6% of Democrats/independents to break away from Lieberman and vote for Lamont and we will win. This is the issue that will give us that.

With more than two months left, this is actually good news. But we have to get to work.


by JackBourassa on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:52:19 PM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Thankyou, thankyou. I was having a mini panic attack. My wife's comment to me in the begining that if "Lamont wins it might make the repiglican have a chance to take the seat" had come true.


by eddieb on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:10:32 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (2.50 / 4)

If the party would stand up to Lieberman, this race would be over much sooner.  Strip him of his seniority and watch the lead evaporate faster.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:11:56 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (3.00 / 1)

Here's some thumbnail analysis - I know I'm mixing Likely and Registered voters so this isn't perfect but it gives you an idea of what kind of margins Lamont needs to swing to win.

Total registered voters in Connecticut
Democratic - 700,000
Independent - 900,000
Republican - 435,000

Using the likely voter poll breakdown...

Lieberman
D - 700K x 35% = 245,000
I - 900K x 58% = 522,000
R - 435K x 75% = 326,250
Total - 1,093,250 votes

Lamont
D - 700K x 63% = 441,000
I - 900K x 36% = 324,000
R - 435K x 75% = 56,550
Total - 821,550 votes

Now what if we make Independents 50/50?

Lieberman - 1,021,250
Lamont - 947,550

..and what if Lamont gains 5% of the GOP while Lieberman loses 5% of the Dems (convince 1 in 20 voters)?

Lieberman - 964,500
Lamont - 1,004,300

Fully 32% of CT voters haven't heard enough about  Ned Lamont to form an opinion about him. If these voters like what they see he'll be the next Senator from Connecticut. It will take a lot of hard work but it can and will be done.


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by joejoejoe on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:16:56 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Because this is a non Presidential Election I will make likely voters 1/2 of the registered voters

400,000 Democratic voters
400,000 Independent voters
200,000 Republican voters

Lieberman will get 80% Republican,30% Democrats,and 60% Independents.

120,000 Democrats
240,000 Independents
160,000 Republicans
Lieberman will get a total of 520,000 votes

Lamont will get 70% Democrats, 40% Independents and 10% Republican

280,000 Democrats
160,000 Independents

Lamont will have a total of 440,000 votes


by CMBurns on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 07:15:00 PM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (3.00 / 0)

wow that is the worst job at playing down expectations i have ever seen. even with positve trends, the fact that lieberman is double digits up is not good news for lamont, no matter how you spin it


by yomoma2424 on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:35:23 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

It is not an "expectations game" when it is after the publication time - if anything, it is "spin", and this is good, and well-founded spin.

Lamont has 13% among republicans, which is pretty good, actually. That number will not go down.

Lieberman has 75% among republicans, almost certainly a post-primary bump. That is almost certain do go way down, most of it back to the republican nominee.

Unless Schlesinger withdraws, this election is going to be close, but I do believe Ned is gonna win.


by PoliticGeek Pro on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 01:49:43 PM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

I'm not sure the Republicans will be flocking to Schlesinger at all. He'll actually do worse than "generic Republican" because not only will he not be supported by the party infrastructure, he's also viewed as tainted and corrupt due to the gambling thing. If I were a Republican, I'd probably consider Lieberman the lesser of three evils. He'd get my vote, if I bothered to cast one at all. Hopefully Republican voters will be disenchanted by their options and just stay home (that would help us in the House races, also). On the other hand, it looks like Schlesinger will appear first on the ballot, so that may earn him some ignorant Republican votes. To be honest, the poll's numbers are about what I expected to see, so at this point I'm neither thrilled nor discouraged by this poll. It's still early, and there's plenty of time for this one to shift in either direction. I think the independent voters are key--most probably like Lieberman but oppose the war.


by slb36cornell on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 04:21:12 PM EST
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Name first on the ballot (none / 0)

That is a benefit in primaries, not in general elections. There was a major study that came to that conclusion.


by jagakid on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 06:31:46 PM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Lamont favorable 25%, unfavorable 30%.  The man is toast.  I do, however, like the idea of the Dems stripping Joe of his seniority.  In the event of a deadlock in the Senate, the GOP would be happy to offer him the committee chairmanships of his choice in return for joining their caucus.


by Fascismo on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:36:43 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

Joe's going to lose. IUf Lanmont runs his campaign correctily, Joe will lose.

Joe is now boxed into being a GOP talking points parrot in order to hold onmto his GOP "base."

The longer he does that, and the more Lamont hammers him over it, the more and more Democrats and independants will abandon Joe and move to Lamont.

Plus, if Lamont plays his cards right, he can build up Schlesinger, If he can get Schlesinger into souble sigits, that will ALL come out of Lieberman's support, and force Joe even further into the Bush camp to stem the tide.

Lamont should challenge bith Lieberman and Lmaont to weekly debates right now. Lieberman will almost certainly turn them down. Schlesinger will jump on that chance.

Then they can both rip Joe for not being there. Plus, that will raise Schlesinger's profile and move his vote numbers up.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:44:46 AM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

I like your optimism.

. . . And I wish I could share it.  Maybe I'll come to, if the positive trend continues.  Right now, there's not much data, is there?


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by DavidD on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:49:39 AM EST

Maybe 4% will get Schlesinger to fold? (none / 0)

The state GOP has a better candidate waiting in the wings, who would be more likely to pull some of those GOP votes away from Loserman.


by RT on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 10:52:36 AM EST

Re: Maybe 4% will get Schlesinger to fold? (none / 0)

The GOP is in a bind here.

Do they go all in and push Schlesinger out and take a shot at the Senmate seat? I say this poll makes them very nervous about that. Any decent GOP nominee they put up will mostly cut into lieberman's supoport and will assuredly elect Ned Lamont.

What Lamont needs to do is challenge Lieberman and Schlesinger to weekly debates, and hope Joe turns them down. That way Lamont can debate Schlesinger one on one and build up his candidacy.

All of Schlesinger's votes will come out of Lieberman and not Ned Lamont.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:39:03 AM EST
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The republican vote (none / 0)

What Lamont needs to do more than diverting votes to Schlesinger is to depress republican turnout. Give them enough reason to be disillusioned with Lieberman. Show how he whines. Show how he called Sharpton for an endorsement only to turn around and act like he wouldn't want to be associated with him. Put Lieberman's hypocrisy on full display. Highlight the comments on jewish voters made by an Irish supporter of Lieberman. Compile a list of whiny clips of Liebermaan and show him how he often does what he derides(negative campaigning).

Even if this is not enough to convert Lieberman repub voters to Lamont voters, maybe it will be enough to make them issue a protest vote to Schlesinger or not vote at all.


by Pravin on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:20:18 AM EST

Re: The republican vote (3.00 / 1)

I disagree.

I thik Lamont should realize that the ticket to winning is to cut Lieberman's support among Democrats first, and then independants.

There are not enough Republicans in Ct to elect Lieberman all on tehir lonesome. So Lamont needs to figure ut what the magic number of Independants and Democrats he needs is, and go for that.

What is more interesting to me is that who are those 25% of Republicans that are not supportiung Lieberman going to? It ain't schlesinger.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:36:09 AM EST
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Re: The republican vote (none / 0)

Lamont needs to go after the Dems and Inds, but what would be good to depress GOP votes for Joe would be an independent outfit to place pro-Lieberman ads on CT right-wing talk radio and Christian radio, touting his liberal votes.

Dunno where the money would come from to fund such an endeavor, though.  Might as well wish for a pony!


by RT on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 12:23:06 PM EST
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Re: The republican vote (none / 0)

Yup.

Do a sub rosa attack on Lieberman, from the right, in key GOP strogholds. Not on TV. radio campaign, fliers, push polls, etc.

Will Lamont do these things? That's the quetsion. I don't get the impresion he's a "go for the jugular" kind of guy.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 12:26:47 PM EST
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Re: The republican vote (none / 0)

DOnt get me wrong. GOing after the indep and dem vote for Lamont is the first priority. I was talking about how to deal with the repubs.

Maybe Lamont can use his personal amiability to get some republican friends to form a group. I do not know enough about Lamont to speculate on that.

But a depressed repub turnout will definitely be good for Lamont and makes the polls useless.


by Pravin on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:20:31 PM EST
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Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

The important thing is that Lieberman has probably peaked in the amount of GOP support he will get. He's not going to get any more than 75 percent.

So, as Long as Lamont hammers Joe on his ILLIBERAL opinions on such things as Terri SChaivo, abortion and Social Security, and ties him to Bush, then Lamont can make up that ground.

This depends, though, on the Democratic establishment actually getting behind Lamont with more than words. They need to ca,mpaogn for him and work for him as well.

Very few of them will do that, however.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:33:29 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (2.00 / 2)

Lamont has come a long way in a little time. This race may be a prelude to 2008 if the DLC doesn't come to understand that the Reagan era is dead and the voters want the Democrats to be Democrats again.

BTW, this is my first MyDD post. : )


by herbal tee on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:33:53 AM EST

Good call, Chris (none / 0)

The doom-sayers up-thread need to relax, for hte following reasons:

1. Lieberman is DOWN from the last Q poll, and Lamont is up. You can't compare with Rasmussen, it has a different methodology.

2. Lamont is clearly up among democrats since the primary.

3. NO WAY a republican will end up at 4%. Right now, republicans being polled will claim to support Lieberman as a "statement against Ned / for Bush". Lieberman vs. Lamont is the story of the day, also for republicans in CT. But come election day, many of them will swing back, or may not vote at all. Around 15% is more likely, at least, and the 11% will be taken almost enteriely from Lieberman's coloumn. Do the math.

We knew the race will be close, and the poll confirms that.

Of course the "Lieberman leads" will get some play. Focus on the 4% figuer being very, very unlikely to hold. (Schlesinger will either fold or get more support.)


by PoliticGeek Pro on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:35:57 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (3.00 / 1)

I think Lieberman better enjoy the moment. Now that a post-primary baseline has been established, Lamont's trendlines will be hard to ignore and that is going to seriously deflate Joe's balloon. Barring a body being found in the bedroom, Lamont's exposure should result in a positive trend. Plus, I don't see any reason to expect Lieberman to improve on his abysmal campaigning.
BTW, the final Quinnipiac poll before the primary was deceptive. Not because of its accuracy but that it showed Lieberman closing. The resulting meme has slightly confused the larger long-term trend. This will be a horse race soon.
by shermandem on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 12:03:17 PM EST

Previouslt in Connecticut... (none / 0)

According to AP, Lieberman's wins in previous elections were

1988 50% (49% Lowell Weicker)
1994 67% (31% Jerry Labriola)
2000 64% (35% Philip Giordano)

Who are the 27% who voted for Labriola but won't vote for Schlesinger voting for? It's not Lamont!

I'm relieved. It means that the worst that can happen is that Jolting Joe is re-elected. There is now no possibility of a Republican nominee getting in, and no possibility that Lamont's primary run can be blamed for such a thing.

Lieberman should still be ashamed to be running against a Democrat, after seeking the Democratic nomination and failing to get it. The rule is, whoever who runs against the Democrat nominee in an election is not a Democrat.


by Del C on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 01:02:06 PM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

The RNC knows one thing is certain in this race.  There will not be a Republican Senator from CT.  The best hope they have is for Lieberman to retain his seniority in the Senate as a hedge, in case the Dems pick up the 6 seats to take a majority.  A committe chaired by Joe may not even consider oversight for what 'facts' were used for the invasion of Iraq.

Schlesinger is the perfect candidate for Republicans, as long as his support stays in the single digits.  Only the true believers will cast a vote for a candiate who has no chance.  If Schlesinger does start making it into double digit support, expect stories in the media about card counting from anonomyous sources.  If the Lieberman/Lamont race is close in the last weeks of October, pressure is put on Schlesinger to get out.

I agree with the point made above, that many Republicans may be disgusted and just stay home.  But, there is also a chance that many will be energized by Lamont, in a negative way.  Simply vote for Lieberman as a vote to deny the left.

Yes, I am stronly in favor of Lamont, I just see the glass as half empty.  I hope I'm wrong.


by 1970cs on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 01:03:54 PM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

From what I read, there are many moderate Republicans who are opposed to the war and dismayed with the uncontrolled spending on it. On these issues, Lamont is the better Democratic candidate even for Republicans. I wonder how many Republicans will warm to Lamont once he begins talking to all voters, not just Democrats and Independents.


by Iowan on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:11:28 PM EST

Anti-war Pinko Commie Socialist (none / 0)

The thing is the media is portraying Lamont as an "anti-war" candidate, thus associating him with the pacifist, socialist far Left. The establishment does not want the voting public to see Lamont as a fiscal moderate who is anti-Iraq War, not against war in general.

Lamont has to come out hard and define himself to non-Democrats. If he is taking a vacation as someone mentioned, that's a huge mistake. Holy Joe's been all over the air trying to define Lamont. If Lamont's sleeping, Lieberman's strategy will work.


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by LiberalFromPA on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:54:19 PM EST
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Quick and dirty calculations (none / 0)

First of all, someone should have told Ned Lamont about Michael Dukakis, who went on vacation after the Democratic primary and lost momementum, lost control of the issues, lost the election.

Secondly, I think that as it becomes clear that Lieberman is the de facto Republican candidate, a lot of tradtional Dems who supported him are going to say "Wtf?" and vote for Lamont.

I predict that Lamont will win by 32,000-35,000 votes.   Not exactly comfortable but decisive enough.


by InigoMontoya on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:39:08 PM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

With Schlesinger bound to cut into Lieberman's newfound Republican base...

Unless the RNC pressures Schlesinger into dropping out, which I bet they're working on trying to do already.


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by LiberalFromPA on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:49:38 PM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

I think Lamont just pounds away at Lieberman's support for Bush's Iraq war.  That gets the Democratic and Independent votes he needs.


by InigoMontoya on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 03:59:48 PM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

For a discussion on what conservatives fear -- that an American majority will vote for candidates they agree with ... like Lamont, click here.

(snip)

"rather than throw support to Lieberman, the administration and its friends in the media have tried to make Lamont voters feel like the fringe left, even though they in fact agree with a majority of Americans on a number of key issues."


by JABBS on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 04:50:01 PM EST

Lamont did not lose any momentum (none / 0)

Where does that nonsense come from? Going on vacation was completely irrelevant. If you re-ran the primary tomorrow, Lamont's edge over Lieberman would be considerably wider.

The only thing that happened was the population changed. It's like being the fastest kid on the block and then you move to a different neighborhood, and suddenly you're three steps behind. You didn't lose any speed but the opposition is dramatically different. Anyone who expected Lamont to lead the general election polling was unaware of the logical breakdown among independents and Republicans.

Lamont has room to slice a few percent among all three voting groups. But he can't win unless Schlesinger zooms into mid-teens, at the lowest. Pretend all we want, but the numbers don't threaten to add up in Lamont's favor otherwise.

Regarding the headline here, that Lamont cuts Lieberman's lead in half, let's say a polling firm that had Casey in the lead by 20 points two months ago but hadn't polled the race since then, suddenly comes out with a poll tomorrow indicating Casey is up by 10. Would an MyDD headline say Santorum cuts the lead in half, or that Casey reasserts a 10 point lead? Besides, there were many comments in the analysis of the Rasmussen poll that it was Lieberman's high water mark.


by jagakid on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 07:01:07 PM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

I think this is right.  As Lieberman peaks, big DC Dems will be emboldened to come to CT on Ned's behalf, and this will accelerate the Lieberman fall.  Not over yet.


by Bob H on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 07:35:50 AM EST

Re: Q-poll: Lamont Cuts Lieberman's Lead In Half (none / 0)

I see a lot of good analysis here. I would add two suggestions.

First, it's good to paint Lieberman as the republican endorsed candidate. However, also paint this as the election the Republicans can't afford to lose. If they lose this one, it will spread panic among the republican party.

Second, don't refer to the "War in Iraq", but refer to it as "The Forever War", as there is no end to that war in sight. Keep hammering at the Bush statement that his successors will have to decide how to end it. A short name with impact is called for. I submit, "The Forever war". Cause, after all, that is what a war on terror is.


Bob Klahn
by bob klahn on Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 07:57:22 PM EST


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