2008 Fundraising Notes

This is an interesting pic:



Even during the stage where potential presidential candidates are just testing the supporter, staff and fundraising waters to see if a 2008 candidacy is a viable option, Feingold is already feeding off a small donor base. This is highly unusual, and speaks to Feingold's comfort level with people-powered movements. It also speaks to the maturation of the progressive movement since the 2004 cycle, which generally speaking did not participate in the 2002 period when potential candidates were testing the waters. Now, the progressive movement is both taking an active role in helping out some potential candidates, and is being actively courted by others.

Kerry has maintained a large small donors base through his still enormous email list. Clinton has probably built her small donor base primarily through direct mail, with a little email added in. It seems strange to me that while Edwards, Clark and Warner all regularly reach double-digits in Dailykos online polls, none of them seem to have any substantial amount of small donors this year. Perhaps they are simply not looking for them, which isn't exactly the best sign for candidates who have support online.

In an article on this subject, Craig Gilbert also raise an interesting question: is it possible for a candidate to win in 2008 while still using the public financing system?
Another factor will be the likelihood that some candidates in the primaries opt out of the public financing system, which provides matching campaign grants to those who accept spending limits.

Dean and Kerry opted out in 2004 so they could spend more money, and experts think leading contenders will routinely do so in the future unless the system is changed and the limits are raised.

Feingold is sponsoring a reform plan, but prospects for action are iffy. The senator was asked in the interview last week if he would stay in the public finance system, even if it weren't changed.

"I'd be inclined to do so," Feingold said of abiding by spending limits in the primaries. "I really don't like the idea that it would be completely unlimited."

Cook, the political analyst, said flatly that any candidate who takes public money during the primaries and therefore accepts the spending limits will be vastly outspent by rivals who opt out.

"I just don't think you can have a financially competitive presidential campaign today under those restrictions," Cook said.
A candidate who uses public financing shouldn't have any money problems during the early primaries when the nominee will be decided, nor should s/he have any problems after the convention when the second wave of public financing kicks in. The problems will arise between the period when the nominee is decided and the nominating convention. In 2008, that is a period that could last up to six months. A candidate using public financing may have to go dark for long stretches of time during those six months, and may have difficulty setting up staff in all relevant states.

Then again, perhaps too much is made of money in the presidential campaign. After all, in 2008, paid media will continue to grow even less effective as DVR's continue to rise, making free media where its at. Also, already in 2004 only 4.7% of all voters ever changed their minds during the course of the campaign, making you wonder if all this money is wasted anyway. Also, most GOTV operations are carried out by third parties, and third parties also contribute mightily to the air war during any national campaign. Further, any candidate swept up in the progressive movement might be able to run a much lighter and more agile operation, ala Ned Lamont in Connecticut. They could also expect a national volunteer base that would alleviate costs of staff and the ground game. Further, without any need to raise money, there won't be any email list abuse, as the campaign focuses more on message, issue education, and other types of activism. Still further, you won't need any fundraising staff, which will save money, you can cut down on direct mail, which will save a lot of money, and you can direct donations to other candidates, thereby earning their favor and help along the campaign trail.

So, what do you think? Is a candidate who opts into the public campaign finance system hurting himself / herself in a presidential campaign? Take the poll in the extended entry.


Poll
Are presidential candidates hurt if they opt into the public financing system?
Yes, they shuold opt out of botht he primary and general election public finance
Yes, they shuold opt out in the primaries
Yes, but not so much that is cripples a campaign
No difference
Campaigns are helped by opting in for the primary campaign

Votes: 36
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

Looks like Russ Feingold's gonna be my main man!


by blues on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 05:37:05 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

We want to see integrity and public involvement restored to election financing.  We simply and literally cannot afford shelling out big dollars each election cycle.  It's ridiculous and unsustainable.  It only enriches advertising executives and low value added consultants.

You can't fool all of us all of the time.  We respect the integrity of those who opt in and will make decisons based on the merits of the candidate, not the number of swift boat ads.

And, we have the net to increasingly break the information logjam.  Candidates can go on the web to communicate.

And all of the above is why Feingold has a higher percentage and headcount of popular support.  Cause "we the people" sometimes get it: that integrity and substance sometimes means more than high cost, repetitive advertising spin.


by Ex on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 05:42:47 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

Not sure what to make of it.  I know that I've been asked much more to donate to '06 candidates rather than to Clark, not sure how much that impacts it.  

Its unlikely to win, but I don't rule out the possiblity that someone with public financing can win.


by JAmbro on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 05:46:58 PM EST

same here (none / 0)

Heck, I've met John Edwards twice in the past two months or so, and he's never asked for money for his PAC.  

When he asks, I'll be happy to support him.  Feingold has just been a more aggressive asker, I think.


by Adam B on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:21:11 PM EST
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Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (3.00 / 1)

The public financing laws in place now favor wealthy contributors, special interests, and PACs. They favor Republicans in the general campaign and Democrats with the "right" connections in the primaries.

The internet has for the first time given ordinary people the opportunity to influence the political process with their donations as much as the fat cats can, and public financing laws at this time limit that opportunity.

We need new public financing laws along the line of the Carville-Begala plan that would ensure a level playing field....

...incumbents would be under a complete ban on raising money. You read that right. No president or member of Congress could accept a single red cent from individuals, corporations, or special interests. Period.

Challengers, on the other hand, would be allowed to raise money in any amount from any individual American citizen or political action committee. No limits, just as the free-market conservatives have always wanted. But here is the catch: Within 24 hours of receiving a contribution, the challenger would have to report it electronically to the Federal Election Commission, which would post it for the public to see. That way, if you want to accept a million dollars from, say, Paris Hilton, go for it. But be prepared for voters and reporters to ask what you promised her in exchange.

The day after you disclose Paris's million bucks, the U.S. Treasury would credit the incumbent's campaign account with a comparable sum--say 80 percent of the contribution to the challenger to take into account the cost of all the canapés and Chardonnay the challenger had to buy to raise his funds as well as the incumbent's advantage. So if Paris gave the challenger a mill, the Treasury would wire $800,000 to the incumbent. It couldn't be much simpler. You might even call it the flat tax of campaign laws.....

(Call me cynical, but I expect that by the time DC politicians got through with it, the Carville-Begala plan would be just another incumbent protection plan.)


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 05:59:40 PM EST

Better thant Begala-Carville Plan (none / 0)

There is an organization here in California that I volunteer with called TakeBackCa.org that has a simpler, and I believe superior, initiative on the ballot this Fall.

Basically, you opt into the system, as you do currently.  Once you're there, you have spending limits, just like now.  But in this version, if your opponent (no matter who he or she is) opts out and spends above your limit, then your limit is automatically raised.  There are a couple ladder rungs like this, then eventually there is a cap to keep the public from going bankrupt, after which you are released from the system to raise whatever money you want.

In other words, there is no competitive disadvantage from participating.  I (obviously) am really pulling for this to happen in California, but it would be terrific on a federal level as well.


by I voted for Kodos on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:55:16 PM EST
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Re: Better thant Begala-Carville Plan (none / 0)

The proposal you cite sounds good -- and it has the added advantage of actually being a ballot initiative rather than just a good idea.

But it would be best someday for officeholders to be banned altogether from accepting bribes in the form of campaign contributions.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 07:27:00 PM EST
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Re: Better thant Begala-Carville Plan (none / 0)

That's definitely a great point, it gets right to the bottom line, and I whole-heartedly agree with it.  However, until the Supreme Court realizes that voting is the constitutionally appropriate way for citizens to speek in government, money will continue to be protected speech.  And just think, Roberts is only 51, so we've probably got another 30 years of doctrinaire right wing ideology on issues like this to endure from him.


by I voted for Kodos on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 08:56:45 PM EST
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Re: Better thant Begala-Carville Plan (none / 0)

I loved this idea the first time I heard it but the chances it would ever become law are about a 1 million to one, unfortunately.


by John Mills on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 10:51:29 PM EST
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Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

So, what do you think? Is a candidate who opts into the public campaign finance system hurting himself / herself in a presidential campaign? Take the poll in the extended entry.
I think it's possible to win. However, the candidate and his\her staff would have to know that they are not going to be able to run a conventional campaign. The question is if the candidate and his\her campaign manager can be innovative enough to turn the campaign limits from a weakness to a strength. Is that possible? Just look at what Howard Dean was able to accomplish in 2004. Without any more "Soft Money" he was able to turn that Democratic Weakness (some would say "crutch" and I would be one of them) into a strength.
by maddogg on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:02:30 PM EST

Re: On Clark (none / 0)

Chris,
To be fair on Clark, he's not raising much money for the simple purpose of directing most of his small donors to give to candidates directly, with his small donor base already contributing over $100k to candidates for the 2006 elections.
by lhuynh on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:13:56 PM EST

Re: On Clark (none / 0)

Good to know. Thanks for the tip.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:23:16 PM EST
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Re: On Clark (none / 0)

Anytime. The General's ActBlue page: http://actblue.com/page/wespac


by lhuynh on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:52:05 PM EST
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Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

This seems like another example of Democrats losing on principle by deciding to play by rules the other side refuses to bother with.  I'm aware that this argument is disturbingly like the argument used to justify torturing "enemy combatants" without trial, but in the electoral case, winning once would allow the rules to be changed enforceably.

I don't want to reach a point next September when Feingold suddenly realizes that there's nowhere near enough money in the bank to finish the race because big money is locked out of giving to him but has no obstacles in funding a 50 day, 50 city tour for George Allen or who-the-hell-ever.

I love the idea of public financing, but not as an intentionally adopted impediment to only one side.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:18:07 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

That wouldn't inhibit a Feingold candidacy, I don't think. Feingold was outspent 3-1 in '92 and 2.5-1 in '98. I don't think that being in any fundraising disadvantage would hurt Feingold at all. If anything, the 72 million or so for the general would probably show Feingold's skill for spending money very wisely.


by KainIIIC on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 07:27:08 PM EST
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Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (3.00 / 1)

If anyone could overcome the gap, it'd be Feingold.  But on the other hand, if anyone could take in the big corporate bucks without being beholden to them, it'd likewise be Feingold.  If we think he could win with 1/3 the money, imagine what he could do with even money?

My point is just- why make it harder?  If we have a candidate who we think can be bought off by corporate money, then do we really think that public financing will prevent it from happening?  If we have a candidate who's above all that, then let the big corps throw money our way and let their expectations of access go unfulfilled.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 07:32:20 PM EST
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The lesson of Feingold (none / 0)

The lesson of Feingold may be that if you're obviously a dedicated and honest public servant who isn't conniving for special favors or higher office, you don't need to spend a ton of money tricking  people into thinking well of you.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 12:22:56 AM EST
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before I would say... there is no way. (none / 0)

you couldn't abide by public financing and win.

It's why the only other candidate besides Kerry that could have feasably won was Dean, who also opted out (after putting it to a vote to the DFA folks amazinglyly!)

However for all of the reasons you have said, I think that it will become less of an issues.

plus, if the nominess are McCain and Feingold then we are truly in for a treat.

-C.


by neutron on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:40:44 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (3.00 / 2)

I know you posted this to highlight Feingold, but the thing that almost knocked me off my chair was Bayh's $11.6, which prompts two observations: (1) I never thought much of Bayh (or the father he rode in on) but I didn't know he aspired to become the Phil Gramm of the Democratic Party; and (2) the fact that there's $11.6 worth of corporate fatcats who think Evan F@!%^&g Bayh has any change of being nominated suggests that American business enterprise is in even more trouble than is apparent on the surface.    


by JTL on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 07:05:28 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

It also goes to show just how clueless American business really is these days.  I realize they are hedging their bets....but w/Bayh?!?!  

Here's a thought:  Joementum has received literally millions over the past couple of weeks.  I, for one plan on seeing who is donating to that loser and oppose whomever they support.  Russ will never have that problem with the grassroots (at least for 2006 anyway).  


by weinerdog43 on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 09:40:12 PM EST
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Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

They could also expect a national volunteer base that would alleviate costs of staff and the ground game.

Isn't this already kind of a problem with the Democratic strategy, though? That they never seem to actually pay anybody?


I also have to agree with those who are saying that abiding by public financing is akin to unilateral disarmament. The "purity points" will not be enough to overcome the media advantage.
by Eli on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 08:33:44 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

Speaking of ActBlue and being assertive about asking for donations... http://www.actblue.com/page/votekoehn :)

OT - Russ has always been very assertive about asking for donations when speaking at political functions, especially for the candidates he may be stumping for. The depth at which his support runs here in WI cannot be misconstrued to only be a Wisconsin thing. IMO, when Progressive candidates look for a role model, they need to look to Russ. He meets with constituents throughout Wisconsin every year, takes unscreened questions and <gasp> answers them, and is unabashedly straightforward about his beliefs.

I heard him say he was wrong in voting for the federal assault weapons ban, and that he believes in the individual right to own guns. No one called him a flip-flopper, they came away with a higher respect for the man. We respect him, and he respects us. It is this kind of respect that turns into small donations, and votes, that others like Hillary cannot count on.


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 10:07:43 PM EST

Re: 2008 Fundraising Notes (none / 0)

I think not to count out John Edwards, he has been campaigning across this country as stated on his site for many others (if he had done that for his own campaign he would be far ahead of Feingold and right under Hillary):
"Senator John Edwards is committed to helping as many candidates as possible before November. He has already raised $6.65 million for Democrats and attended fundraisers for strong congressional candidates in more than a dozen states this election cylce."
http://oneamericacommittee.com/action/vo te/form/

I believe that after the November elections you will see the tide turn rapidly. IMO
One more opinion: this party needs to dump Bayh!


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by dk2 on Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 04:20:42 PM EST


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